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ninjacreed
08-17-2006, 10:41 AM
Konbawa to everyone.
First of all, please accept our apologies for our bad English, since we are Italian. Then, now, we would like to suggest an idea for an eventual sequel or spin-off of AC: we're talking about a ninja simulation game. That's because, if you watch Altair, how he moves, his abilities, and the features of the game, it seems like it can be used perfectly to create a realistic ninja simulation game (no more ps2 arcade games, please), together, of course, with a Feudal Japan setting. But, if it's not an original idea (as probably is), we would like to know from the developers why did they choose to refuse this possibility. That's all. Seeyou.

lpcrispo
08-17-2006, 10:55 AM
well, I think that the game engine could be used for this... but the title "ninja creed" would not fit with this game, as Alta├┬»r is : first : not a ninja...
second : ninja used stealth and camouflage... Alta├┬»r gets to the mark walking with people around him... he dont care of being seen among people... not like a ninja!

Red_Mercury901
08-17-2006, 11:39 AM
BRILLIANT IDEA!! Just one thing.. you could do without the 'creed' bit. YAH! Ninjas that sneak up and kill people! cool stuff (even though it'll mostly be made up). Samurai swords 'n things! Great stuff! I actually own a hanwei sword... not great but.. anyone else here into that kinda stuff?

DarkCrawler90
08-17-2006, 12:22 PM
Because it's the first game ever set in the Crusades, thus being one of the most original games to come to PS3?

Seriously, no offense, but I want stealth games without being an ninja in feudal Japan/super-spy in futuristic setting. I like games like that, but the idea and character for this game are great.

Red_Mercury901
08-17-2006, 01:24 PM
I agree, I can't wait for this to come out but that doesn't mean that the ninja thing isn't a good idea. (I haven't seen many real stealthy ninja/assassin games but that's probably because I haven't been looking, sooo...)

entropy777
08-17-2006, 01:46 PM
<span class="ev_code_GREY">Ninja's are so geeky...</span>

ninjacreed
08-17-2006, 03:38 PM
Well, we agree with you. AC is really an amazing game. We were just talking about a sequel, or a spin-off. That's because we haven't seen a ninja *simulation* game yet. There are just arcade games, where you have to use your fingers more often than your brain (no offense, they are fun too, but with a different playstyle). And AC, according to us, it's the first game with the possibilities and the realism to create the first, true, "ninja simulation game" (with a sequel/spin-off, of course :P). http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


To Ipcrispo: ninjas were not afraid of walking through the crowd. Because they didn't wear their "night" outfit all the time. Infact, the often moved under cover, working, for example, as a gardener or a farmer, to observe the situation and then decide when and how to attack. Also, they used their cover to surprise their victims with a sudden strike. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Fates.Dark.Hand
08-17-2006, 06:40 PM
Just a quick random question, were Ninja's even "invented" (not sure what other word to use there) in the 1800's?

And why would a Ninja want to do all this stuff?

rajsoloman
08-17-2006, 08:04 PM
Just a quick random question, were Ninja's even "invented" (not sure what other word to use there) in the 1800's?

And why would a Ninja want to do all this stuff?
im srry but wtf are you talking about?

moobz
08-17-2006, 08:24 PM
ninja creed......boy does this title sound weak!!!! plus why would you want a ninja freak in there when you can have a normal character who could perform astonishing moves and kills. so far we have a story based around religion conflits and character who wants to prevent conspiracies, i see ninjas being more oriental, people skilled to kill for passion rather than an aim. so to make it short the goals of the characters between ninja's creed and assassin's creed would be completly different.


if you really want to play a ninja game get ninja gaiden (http://uk.xbox.ign.com/objects/482/482221.html), that should keep you busy for a while http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

ninjacreed
08-18-2006, 02:29 AM
Ninja Gaiden? It's an *arcade* game. Lot of action, lot of "magic", lot of... well, it's not realistic, that's all.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif About the "ninja freak" matter, they were highly trained both in martial arts and in the use of every kind of weapon (poisons, staves, swords, dual blades, shurikens, crossbows, guns and even grenades), since they had to surprise their opponents in combat to succeed. And to get away from an enemy castle *really* fast. So they were able to kill and move as well as Altair does, perhaps with less style http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Also, they always killed for an aim, not for "passion". If a mission required to kill somebody, they had to do that. Just watch 47 from Hitman and you'll get the idea (he's not a ninja, but he's an assassin). http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

P.S. we were just ironizing about the title.

entropy777
08-18-2006, 04:20 AM
<span class="ev_code_GREY">We? You mean there are more people who think this would be a good idea?... -.-

The whole Ninja theme is so nagged to death, ninja this ninja that.
If you want to make a ninja game, have fun... Although games nowadays are pretty complicated, I doubt you would be able to make a next-gen game without a proper crew.</span>

ninjacreed
08-18-2006, 06:30 AM
Even the WWII setting is nagged to death, but games like Call of Duty, Medal of Honor and Brothers in Arms keep going with their sequels.. so they keep selling, otherwise no one would ever think to waste money to create them. How can you explain that? Perhaps the setting it's not the only thing to make a successful game? Perhaps an original gameplay and unique features can balance the lack of original settings? Or the producers just enjoy to waste their money? We just wanted answers (and we've got them now) and suggest an idea for the future. Nobody has ever told something like "AC is a ****. It would be better with ninjas! Yay! -_-" (our question was: Why not use the ideas of AC to create a real ninja simulation game?). We love AC and we are waiting to play it as well as the rest of you. That's all. In the end, *WE* is referred to the fact that we are a couple of friends who share the same question, so spare us any comments that are not about the matter, please.

Red_Mercury901
08-18-2006, 07:18 AM
Guys that run up walls and do (I'm sorry if you disagree but I don't really care as it is my opinion so..) ninja-like things such as jump around and stuff... always cool.

Jude86
08-19-2006, 03:51 AM
hello I was reading this and i just have to say the only real diffrence between ninjas and assassins is their method of operation and tactics

a ninjas are a bit more theatrical than assassins

ninjas use a combination of skills such as stealth misdirection, subterfuge to razzle dazzle not to mention the explosive powders to daze disorient and conuze their oponents

and

Assassins use almost the same thing
instead of flashy powders they hit their targets fast and hard... ther targets (as the trailer sugested) dont know whats going on till the assassin has already acomplished its objective

there is no need for ninja tricks

escape

a ninja will swoop down acomplish the objective and fade back to the shadows (ASAP)

an assasin is like a terorrist they hide in the masses waiting to strike

then blend back in with the crowd and use the chaos of uniformity to escape

(think about the above statemnt it makes sense if you arnt a ******)

they are BOTH hard hitting all bets are off prison rules "i will mess you up before you know what hit you" individuals

ninjas and assassins are the same thing in retrospect they are just two diffrent manifestations of the same technique one for rural combat and one for city combat

a ninja in the city would be as out of place and use as much improvising as an assassin in the country side would feel/use.

short version
ninja = rural assassin
assassin = City ninja

Glegtheleg
08-20-2006, 09:32 PM
Too many ninja games, not enough assassin. Also, there were no ninjas in Jarusalem.

ninjacreed
08-21-2006, 01:40 AM
If you consider the stealth game market only, there are no true "ninja *simulation* game". Games like Ninja Gaiden and Tenchu are *arcade*. Second, we are not talking about moving ninjas to Jerusalem from Japan, but about creating a new game/sequel using the ideas of AC.

gravy_t
08-21-2006, 01:20 PM
Guys, there's no need to say all bad things about Ninjacreed's idea. If you read through his posts, you'll see that he and his friends did not criticise Assassin's Creed at all, they were only suggesting a theme for a future chapter of the game.

After all, game info sites like IGN do state that the upcoming game starring Altair is only the first in the Assassin's Creed franchise. And in my opinion, creating a similar game with ninjas is a great idea indeed. Just use the Net a bit to read about ninjas, you'll see that they would be perfect characters to appear in a game like this. And you could make that game equally ancient and mysterious as ninjas have been traced back as far as the 6-7th century AD. (and they also existed in China and Korea!)

About the rural vs. urban thing I'd say that ninjas are simply Oriental assassins working both in cities and in castles in the countryside.

Assassin [European] = ninja [Japanese]

hippieninja
08-21-2006, 06:34 PM
It should be ninja's creed. I agree. But its practically the same thing.

Untimely_demise
08-21-2006, 11:12 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif
Why Not...Barney the Purple Dinasour's Creed
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

ninjacreed
08-22-2006, 02:12 AM
Posted Mon August 21 2006 12:20
Guys, there's no need to say all bad things about Ninjacreed's idea. If you read through his posts, you'll see that he and his friends did not criticise Assassin's Creed at all, they were only suggesting a theme for a future chapter of the game.

After all, game info sites like IGN do state that the upcoming game starring Altair is only the first in the Assassin's Creed franchise. And in my opinion, creating a similar game with ninjas is a great idea indeed. Just use the Net a bit to read about ninjas, you'll see that they would be perfect characters to appear in a game like this. And you could make that game equally ancient and mysterious as ninjas have been traced back as far as the 6-7th century AD. (and they also existed in China and Korea!)

About the rural vs. urban thing I'd say that ninjas are simply Oriental assassins working both in cities and in castles in the countryside.

Assassin [European] = ninja [Japanese]

That's right. You've got the point! You are great! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Our opinion about the "rural vs. urban" matter is that ninjas were *primarily spies*, but trained to be *extremely* deadly as well. Assassination was only a part of their job (perhaps the most popular task). That's the only difference between a ninja and an assassin. They were able to work everywhere and in every kind of situation. They worked even as counter-assassins.

Red_Mercury901
08-22-2006, 09:43 AM
I just like Japanese swords and acrobatic assassins... fun times..

Jzrulz
09-01-2006, 06:42 PM
Ok ninja's creed sucks donkey **** because it doesn't sound as mean and teriifying as assassins creed

terminalShock09
09-01-2006, 06:51 PM
What is this obsession with donkey *cough*? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

PoPFan05
09-01-2006, 07:36 PM
Originally posted by ninjacreed:
Konbawa to everyone.
First of all, please accept our apologies for our bad English, since we are Italian. Then, now, we would like to suggest an idea for an eventual sequel or spin-off of AC: we're talking about a ninja simulation game. That's because, if you watch Altair, how he moves, his abilities, and the features of the game, it Itseems like it can be used perfectly to create a realistic ninja simulation game (no more ps2 arcade games, please), together, of course, with a Feudal Japan setting. But, if it's not an original idea (as probably is), we would like to know from the developers why did they choose to refuse this possibility. That's all. Seeyou.

"Ninja's Creed"?

You've got to be kidding me...

In my humble opinion, Ninja games are way overrated... my opinion, don't take it personal.

chewie1890
09-02-2006, 12:08 PM
Personally I think if it were a seperate franchise (Which I think is what you were talking about, im not sure though) it would be a great idea. Maybe even as a mini game have ninjas pitted against assassins, see how that turns out.

AnnwynAuldcross
09-02-2006, 08:16 PM
To be fair, a game in the same ilk about Ninja's wouldn't be a terrible idea, HOWEVER, Ninja games are NOT original. You already have Tenchu playing a similar role, albeit a bit "fantasy-ish".

Ninja's are a little different to western Assassin's, after all they had to kill themselves rather than face capture etc, allowed somebody to see them and live wouldn't be an option and so, different. Ninja's roles were a little more limited than Assassin's, they spent the majority of their time killing Daimyo's retainers and so forth, it was their main role. I may have got somethings wrong as I haven't read much on Samurai Japan (Sengoku Period etc) for quite some time now.

HorTyS
09-02-2006, 08:17 PM
Originally posted by ninjacreed:
If you consider the stealth game market only, there are no true "ninja *simulation* game". Games like Ninja Gaiden and Tenchu are *arcade*. Second, we are not talking about moving ninjas to Jerusalem from Japan, but about creating a new game/sequel using the ideas of AC.

why do you talk like there is more than one of you? do you have split-personalities like 'Gollum?'

anyways, i think a stealth ninja game could be really cool. i wouldn't want assassin's to be that neccesarily, but i think that a ninja stealth game based in japan or even america could be cool. the tech and stuff in AC seems very appropriate for such a game, with the environmental interaction and animations, it seems like the right style, i'd just want a different setting, not the 3rd crusade and stuff.

Tenchu was arcadish, and not really all that stealthy, but i really like it when you do a stealth kill and it switches to cinematic views to show the kill happen. but i think if it was more stealth focused and had better animation, a new tenchu could be what i'm looking for. they're making a new one, so i wonder how it'll turn out, from the japanese trailers i've seen, it doesn't look to promising though...

chewie1890
09-02-2006, 09:17 PM
He and his friends were asking thats why he was saying 'we' and 'our'. If you just joking and messing around, I apologize. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Optimusv2
09-03-2006, 01:10 AM
Great Idea this engine could be used to make a truly incredible ninja simulation game cause we've never truly had one that brings us so close to being a ninja as assassin's creed does for an assassin.

I LOVE Ninja Gaiden though http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

ninjacreed
09-03-2006, 01:51 PM
In my humble opinion, Ninja games are way overrated... my opinion, don't take it personal

That's right. Infact, it wouldn't be the first ninja game, but the first ninja *simulation* game..


To be fair, a game in the same ilk about Ninja's wouldn't be a terrible idea, HOWEVER, Ninja games are NOT original. You already have Tenchu playing a similar role, albeit a bit "fantasy-ish".

ehm... "fantasy-ish"? That's why we are talking about Ninja's Creed. We would like to have a realistic stealth game like AC, not an arcade game such as Tenchu or Ninja Gaiden.


Ninja's are a little different to western Assassin's, after all they had to kill themselves rather than face capture etc

Well, that's because the penalty of being caught alive was a slow and painful death under tortures.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif so they were trained to kill themselves in order to avoid this. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


Ninja's roles were a little more limited than Assassin's, they spent the majority of their time killing Daimyo's retainers and so forth, it was their main role. I may have got somethings wrong as I haven't read much on Samurai Japan (Sengoku Period etc) for quite some time now.

On the contrary. Ninjas were not just assassins. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


ninjas were *primarily spies*, but trained to be *extremely* deadly as well. Assassination was only a part of their job (perhaps the most popular task). That's the only difference between a ninja and an assassin. They were able to work everywhere and in every kind of situation. They worked even as counter-assassins.

OH_DragonBoy
09-03-2006, 02:03 PM
I think, if integrated well enough, that this could be a good idea.

The title, of course, would be different. The one chosen for the time being is simply to show where he got the idea.

I wouldn't mind a propper ninja game, to be honest. But some of you can't get past the temporary title that you haven't actually thought it through.

KiwokKiwok
09-06-2006, 12:14 PM
Love the idea of a realistic ninja game!
Thou the title is not that so good...

And there would be no trouble getting a great story scince there is alot of interesting events and periods in the Japaneese history (the sengoku period just to name one).

ninjacreed
09-07-2006, 03:52 AM
Thou the title is not that so good...

Ahahah, well, we told you.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


P.S. we were just ironizing about the title.

And you're right.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


And there would be no trouble getting a great story scince there is alot of interesting events and periods in the Japaneese history (the sengoku period just to name one).

That's true. It was a period of disorder, when the central power had no more influence on the provinces, which led the Daimyos to start fighting each other. But, there is a lot more.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif just think about the struggling between the Yakuza families for the control of thier "territories" or the Portugueses'attempt to spread the Catholicism in Japan, that brought a lot of tension.. as you can see, the historical background offers many possibilities, both for the game main story and for the missions themselves. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Ginjur
09-07-2006, 11:56 AM
I think the word "ninja" have been made fun of for so long now that it has lost all meaning to its true name, plus the horrible 70s & 80s ninja cliche movies, yikes. I for one cannot think past comedy when i hear someone say "Ninja!". In other words, id say pls god dont make a ninja title to assassin's creed in any near future!. ^_^

Especially after watching this great ninja rap. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwXjynpy8Ew&mode=related&search=

ninjacreed
09-07-2006, 03:20 PM
Posted Thu September 07 2006 10:56
I think the word "ninja" have been made fun of for so long now that it has lost all meaning to its true name, plus the horrible 70s & 80s ninja cliche movies, yikes. I for one cannot think past comedy when i hear someone say "Ninja!". In other words, id say pls god dont make a ninja title to assassin's creed in any near future!. ^_^


Good point. On the contrary, however, that would be another good reason to make this game. Because someone must reborn the original figure of the ninja. A ninja is a stealth master, a silent assassin, a martial artist expert, a shadow with iron will and cold blood (in a few words, a stealthy-kicking-***-machine http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif) . Not just a black suit and flying kicks. So, if someone will be able to show to the people the real face of a ninja, his real life and his real way of thinking and acting, we're sure that this would bring back a great interest to his figure and to his world.

likeitsme
09-08-2006, 08:37 PM
Ahem... Jordan Mechner's 'Karateka' game is long overdue for a remake http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

I'd love to see that game brought back to life, it was freakin' amazing back when I first played it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

FragKing1
09-08-2006, 09:24 PM
Ninja's are cool I'll agree....but it's kind of been done to death...the whole ninja idea. But so have assassins so i guess either way it could be an okay game...

bablagar
09-09-2006, 10:59 AM
ninja creed......is this some kinda joke http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif


Why Not...Barney the Purple Dinasour's Creed

haha indeed http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

ninjacreed
09-09-2006, 11:46 AM
No, it isn't. But if you like to play with purple dinosaurs instead, do as you want. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

PoPFan05
09-09-2006, 11:03 PM
Originally posted by Ginjur:
I think the word "ninja" have been made fun of for so long now that it has lost all meaning to its true name, plus the horrible 70s & 80s ninja cliche movies, yikes. I for one cannot think past comedy when i hear someone say "Ninja!". In other words, id say pls god dont make a ninja title to assassin's creed in any near future!. ^_^

Especially after watching this great ninja rap. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwXjynpy8Ew&mode=related&search=

Regarding the "Ninja Video" on YouTube:

Crappy video, IMO... the music did not fit well at all.

Red_Mercury901
09-28-2006, 09:28 AM
Ninja's are pretty much informal Samurai (i.e. did not come from a noble family). Infact, one of the schools of kenjitsu originated from a 'ninja' clan. Or Something to that affect (or so I'm told). This could be some bull$*** that is lying in the well of arbitrary facts in my head though.

master_laeR
09-28-2006, 01:57 PM
The problem with "Ninjas Creed" (haha) is that ubisoft seem to want to create a believable environment that is not only entertaining but even historic (or at least historicly inspired).

Most of the information on the ninja has not been verified and isn't reliable. Making a historicly inspired game based on the ninja would be silly and would just end up being another bargin bin title. Ninja games are "arcadey" because that is really all they can be since nothing of substance can be taken from history.

The word ninja is merely one of the native Japanese words for people who practice ninjutsu. Ninjutsu is a martial art in which one employs certain movements and distractions in order to create a quick attack and then leave the area. A "Ninja" isn't necessarily anyone who can be hired for an assassination, but rather someone who practices the art of Ninjutsu. Nothing more. So making a truly historical game about Ninja may end up being very boring.

All in all, Assassins Creed is awesome because it is original, fresh, and innovative. The story seems neat and the graphics are glorious. While Altair seems to be another Devil May Care character, he is well designed and he is an @$$ kicker. A ninja chapter would not fit in this supposed chapter formula that this series seems to be going toward.

Assassin= A murderer who is politically motivated.
Ninja= Senseless, money grubbing murderers. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

ninjacreed
09-29-2006, 05:04 PM
The problem with "Ninjas Creed" (haha) is that ubisoft seem to want to create a believable environment that is not only entertaining but even historic (or at least historicly inspired).

Most of the information on the ninja has not been verified and isn't reliable. Making a historicly inspired game based on the ninja would be silly and would just end up being another bargin bin title. Ninja games are "arcadey" because that is really all they can be since nothing of substance can be taken from history.

The word ninja is merely one of the native Japanese words for people who practice ninjutsu. Ninjutsu is a martial art in which one employs certain movements and distractions in order to create a quick attack and then leave the area. A "Ninja" isn't necessarily anyone who can be hired for an assassination, but rather someone who practices the art of Ninjutsu. Nothing more. So making a truly historical game about Ninja may end up being very boring.

All in all, Assassins Creed is awesome because it is original, fresh, and innovative. The story seems neat and the graphics are glorious. While Altair seems to be another Devil May Care character, he is well designed and he is an @$$ kicker. A ninja chapter would not fit in this supposed chapter formula that this series seems to be going toward.

Assassin= A murderer who is politically motivated.
Ninja= Senseless, money grubbing murderers. Shady

You're funny man. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif Do you want proves that ninjas are something more than a myth? Here are some historical informations. First, the shogun Yoshihira Ashikaga, in 1467, used ninjas as a support for his empire. It was in that period that the ninja clans (a.k.a families) started to gain power. Second, Oda Nobunaga, who hated ninjas (and feared their power), started a war aganist them, a war which ended in 1581 (because he was killed by an enemy), after two (failed) attempts to conquer Iga, the "ninjas'nest". Then, Ieyasu Tokugawa transformed (in 1582) ninjas into spies, assassins and secret police (if we don't get wrong, he had a group of elit├┬Ę ninjas as bodyguards, but we can't remember its name) and used them a lot. This is just a part of their history. So, as you can read (and we've got these informations from the encyclopedia http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif ), ninjas are not just a myth. As praticants of ninjutsu ("the art of shadows".. and it's not just a way to "fight and leave" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif ) they were the most suited to work as spies and assassins. In the end, a "Ninja's Creed" game would be realistic and historicly inspired as much as AC is. Perhaps you should learn something before speaking about a subject you don't know well.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

(One again, we apologize for our bad English.. but we are from Italy.. and we were speaking about Japan history.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif )

master_laeR
09-29-2006, 05:53 PM
I took this from wikipedia: The writer Andrew Adams, in his book about Ninjas, claims that Ieyasu made extensive use of Ninjas for spying and as personal guards (NinjaÔÔéČ"ŁThe Invisible Assassins, pages 43-46). Ieyasu was well known both for his foresight and his pragmatism, so using Ninjas would not have been out of character for him. However, like many stories about spies, proof is impossible.

Seeing how most of what is known about ninjas is not well known, I believe this goes for nearly all stories related to the ninja. Nearly all of it is disputable and none of it can truly be proven. Not all assassins in Japan were ninja, by the way.

I respect your opinion, but I just don't think a ninja spin-off would be something that would fit in the Assassins Creed template.

Maybe theres no hard historical record of ninja because they were too good? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

JWelschen
09-30-2006, 04:16 AM
it's called assassins creed because it is about assassins and not about ninja's. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

ATFA666
09-30-2006, 05:41 AM
Originally posted by entropy777:
<span class="ev_code_GREY">Ninja's are so geeky...</span>

Agreed.....That shall be my reason too.

ninjacreed
09-30-2006, 07:40 AM
Seeing how most of what is known about ninjas is not well known, I believe this goes for nearly all stories related to the ninja. Nearly all of it is disputable and none of it can truly be proven. Not all assassins in Japan were ninja, by the way.

You made a good point. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Of course, there are no verified proofs about ninjas. They kept their role well hidden and only their families knew about their secrets. So, as you can imagine, it was (and it is still nowadays) very hard to find proofs or informations. You know, a spy (or an assassins) who leaves traces behind him, it's not a good spy after all, don't you agree? And about the last thing.. you're right, ninjas were not all assassins.. it's just thier most popular task. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


Maybe theres no hard historical record of ninja because they were too good? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Maybe. Eheh. Good for them, bad for our Ninja's Creed idea. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

a-secret-threat
10-02-2006, 12:53 PM
Originally posted by Jude86:
hello I was reading this and i just have to say the only real diffrence between ninjas and assassins is their method of operation and tactics

a ninjas are a bit more theatrical than assassins

ninjas use a combination of skills such as stealth misdirection, subterfuge to razzle dazzle not to mention the explosive powders to daze disorient and conuze their oponents

and

Assassins use almost the same thing
instead of flashy powders they hit their targets fast and hard... ther targets (as the trailer sugested) dont know whats going on till the assassin has already acomplished its objective

there is no need for ninja tricks

escape

a ninja will swoop down acomplish the objective and fade back to the shadows (ASAP)

an assasin is like a terorrist they hide in the masses waiting to strike

then blend back in with the crowd and use the chaos of uniformity to escape

(think about the above statemnt it makes sense if you arnt a ******)

they are BOTH hard hitting all bets are off prison rules "i will mess you up before you know what hit you" individuals

ninjas and assassins are the same thing in retrospect they are just two diffrent manifestations of the same technique one for rural combat and one for city combat

a ninja in the city would be as out of place and use as much improvising as an assassin in the country side would feel/use.

short version
ninja = rural assassin
assassin = City ninja

well put

tress-jr
10-03-2006, 10:57 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gifi think ninja is kind of childish i love the assassin idea..ubi dont you dear change that...neway its gonna be a an awsome gam nooo dought http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif golf clap there ubi

morlock1990
10-09-2006, 12:05 PM
First: im new so srry for the lag off signature and so on http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif and english is my second language. So...

But i just had to say it really is a shame some people just don't read the topic, but just throw away a comment. Because it isn't that bad idea at all and they aren't saying they want to replace the AC idea. (which people on the third page still are thinking, that's really a big shame about topics)

So, because they aren't willing to replace it but just make a good game. It is a good idea.

Because the cities you can make with a ancient Japanese setting are endless. And there is well known information about the cities and architecture from that time. So the arhguement against that isnt good.

Point 2: The ninja's arent proven and the information isnt confirmed. So isn't the information about the hashashins. Sure... they existed. But how is still really to be proven. Becuase the library in Alamut(the assassins HQ) has burned down completely. So that information is also not proven.


So, the IDEA isnt bad at all. And we don't know if its fit for the AC sequel, cause we don't know the bigger story Ubi has planned for us.

Only you must watch not just to make another tenchu. Otherwise the whole plan would be ruined.

So... If you can realize a good and realistic story(which isnt that hard if you look at the story of AC (no offensice): novice, becoming big one, the game could become a succes.

CorporalDibble
10-09-2006, 08:01 PM
probably because of the assassin's creed. i dont know if they (ubisoft) made this up but in gameinformer it says "Nothing is true. Everything is permitted." so if someone wants to find a ninja's creed good luck.

master_laeR
10-09-2006, 09:25 PM
Ninja games are no longer original. Nearly everything that can be done in a ninja video game has been done. Anything left will be taken care of in the silly Naruto games that are flying out of Bandai's butt right now.

What makes AC different is the fact that they put a spin on the whole Assassination game genre. Ninja games usually consist of dressing up in black, wielding shurikens and wakizashi and killing a mark for money.

AC is new, fresh and original. Alta├┬»r is a man, dressed in white, equipped with a blade as a finger (more or less)! He is so good at what he does that he doesn't need the cover of darkness to kill his mark! He also doesn't kill just for money. He kills because of what he needs politically.

As far as I can tell, Assassins Creed is going to be a series in which each "episode" will consist of a storyline in which someone kills for a political reason. Hinkleys attempt, Sirhan Sirhans killing of RFK, maybe even the televised killing of Japanese politician Inejiro Asanuma could be a future installment of the series.

Those scenarios would be original and different. Ninja games gracefully bowed out upon the release of Ninja Gaiden. Let the ninja games die peacefully... please http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

morlock1990
10-10-2006, 08:57 AM
Yeah, imagine you must kill JFK... It would be cool http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Only problem probably will be that a lot of people are going to get in total disagree. That game won't come in the market big. Thats just the same as playing the terrorists who highjacked the plain and flew in the WTC.

Still. You say everything the ninja game can have is tried. It isnt totally true. Because what they are saying (correct me if im wrong)is to put a sort of AC in an old japanese setting. So that u dont have the ol' school ninja game. But a new fresh ninja game. With not just running through shadows, sneak on someone backs , rip the head off and walk away. Then you get a game you have to find ur target, check the environment, get a plan, kill the guy, get out. Than its not longer just a ninja game. But it doenst matter that much to me, cause AC is alright with me. But the idea is good!

AlexCrimson
10-10-2006, 11:40 AM
It isn't called "Ninja's Creed" because he aint a Ninja.

He isn't a Ninja because:
1) He isn't Japanese and they were the ones with the Ninjas.

2) He isn't a martial artist, and Ninjas were VERY good at that.

3) Seeing as the game is probably longer than one mission, he dosent kill himself after taking down his target... which is another thing the original Japanese Ninja's did.

Maximus1170
10-11-2006, 02:55 PM
AlexCrimson has it spot on.

ninjacreed
10-19-2006, 03:56 AM
Why some of you guys use history (or better, the few things they know) instead of brain? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif We mean, ninjas didn't wear their black outfit all the day, because it was simplier and safier to go around the streets (how did you think they seeked informations about thier marks otherwise? By using Google? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif ) dreesed as paesants, merchants or farmers (for example). That's the way a smart assassin/spy (ninja or not) would act http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif . You don't need proofs of that, just think about it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif . Also, ninjas do *NOT* killed themselves when they accomplished a task http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif . They did that only if they were caught, since penalty for that was painful tortures and death. In a few words, same ending, but with less pain http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif . We hope it's clear now. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif

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Tobbe777
10-19-2006, 07:23 AM
Originally posted by AlexCrimson:
3) Seeing as the game is probably longer than one mission, he dosent kill himself after taking down his target... which is another thing the original Japanese Ninja's did.

What a waste. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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wes4mu089
10-19-2006, 09:23 AM
Apparently I am the only one who watched all the E-3 Interviews but Assassin?s Creed is a 3 part trilogy. One or both other parts of the trilogy is based in a futuristic setting. So there will be no sequel that has to do with Ninja?s. Also Assassin?s Creed is based off of the First Assassin?s known as the Hashashin, which were Ismaeli Muslims lead by the ?Old man of the Mountain.? Pretty much they were the first (unofficial) terrorists.

you can find more information here
The Hashashin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hashashin)

ArgonAsimov
10-20-2006, 10:40 AM
I don't know why there is so much hostility to this concept. There seems to be a lot of missunderstanding about what ninjacreed is suggesting, and a lot of people are simply making things up to put down this idea.

So far, ninjacreed is the only one to offer any serious sources to back up his statements, so I'm going to tend to belive him.

He has an excellent point in that there is just as much historical evidence to support the existance and operations of ninjas as there is regarding the Hashshashin.

I don't get why people are saying that the ninja genre of games has been done to death. Name one serious stealth game involving ninjas. Go ahead, take your time, I'll wait. Personally, I can't think of a single one.

As much as ninjas really have become almost laughably over-used in various other genres, there still is not a serious, historical take on them in gaming, just as until AC, there has not been a realistic game (or any game, for that matter) about the assassin's.

Now, I doubt if a ninja game would fit into the AC franchise, but it is not outside the realm of a good team of modders to make it happen. Also, this is the company that owns the stealth-action genre, and if they made a hitorical, stealthy ninja game, I would hop on that like a fat kid on twinkies.

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chewie1890
10-20-2006, 02:01 PM
Okay im back again now that this topic has been ressurected.

What I don't think any of you are realizing is that NinjaCreed doesn't want one of the Assassins Creed sequels to have do with Ninjas, he want's a completely NEW series.

I personally think its a marvolous idea and agree with what ArgonAsimov said. I mean you could easily take the little bit of history we know about the Ninja's and create a historical fiction game.

Imagine this. The game is set back during one of the cruel Emperors times when there was about to be a hostile takeover by some other group. You as a trained martial artist are hired and your group is given the name of Ninja for you pursuit in the martial art of Ninjutsu(sp?). You take out key political figures which would throw the entire kingdom into dissarray, giving your leaders the time and oppurtunity they need to take over the kingdom and declare themselves the rulers.

Think about all the possibilities, think about it longer and you'll probably come up with better ideas than I did. Don't take your pre-conceived idea's about the Ninja genre and dismiss any possible new ideas that could really be enjoyable videogames!

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master_laeR
10-22-2006, 09:34 AM
Chewie, the scenario you proposed seems a lot like the sub plot of Assassins Creed which is one of my main points.

The only thing a "Ninjas Creed" game would be is a copy of this game (Assassins Creed) with different skins, a different skybox and some japanese dialogue. It would not be a new game. It would be an old, trite story that we've all heard before with nothing new to offer.

One of the main reasons good games sell is because of new, more creative story lines and different game play.

New ideas sell. You guys have old ideas. Old ideas won't sell.

A Ninja mod , however, is probably the best idea I've heard yet. Maybe even an expansion pack or something offical could be a
possibility.

ninjacreed
10-28-2006, 02:55 AM
Sorry guys for being in late. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif First of all, we would like to thank ArgonAsimov and chewie1890 for their support. You've got what we are trying to say, so you're great. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif Now, about the plot matter.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif our idea would be to let the players decide, with their actions, how it develops and in which direction. During all the game, you'll not fully understand what your clan/family and the others (emperor, ninja clans, yakuza families) are planning to do, unless you start spying them (of course, even your family! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif ). And, if you notice something that you don't like, you can choose, for example, to leave your clan and join an other one, or even start working for the yakuza or the emperor himself. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif Of course, leaving a clan will turn it into a *dangerous* enemy, so it's not an easy decision. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif Our aim is to let the players experience the real life of a ninja, with its risks in action and not. For "not", we mean that, in the end, a ninja must deal with assassins, yakuzas, spies and other people like them, so he must be in guard all the time and not only when he his on mission.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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princeofyo
10-28-2006, 05:45 PM
The AC series will be realistic and take place during the Crusades, not Feudal Japan...and I don't see how Altair can travel forwards in time to Feudal Japan. After all Jade Raymond said Altair is not a time traveler, and I think the Assassin's Creed series' main character should be Altair. After all why should he star in only one game then just be cast aside in the next?

Besides Ninja game and realistic sounds like an oxymoron.

Your idea is interesting, but I just don't think it fits with the AC series.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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ninjacreed
10-29-2006, 02:31 AM
The AC series will be realistic and take place during the Crusades, not Feudal Japan...

Could you tell us why? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif If you read the thread, you'll find explainations about what ninjas are, their story, thier abilities and their role in the history. And they are all historical or, at least, reliable (or taken from the encyclopedia) informations. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


After all Jade Raymond said Altair is not a time traveler, and I think the Assassin's Creed series' main character should be Altair. After all why should he star in only one game then just be cast aside in the next?

Finally, we reached 1.000 times that we've repeated this (no offense, but we're starting to get a little pissed http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif )! AC is AC. It's a wonderful game and it's not in our intentions to touch it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif What we are talking about is to use what AC has to offer to create a spin off with ninjas. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


Besides Ninja game and realistic sounds like an oxymoron.

That's why we are speaking of NC now. We need a realistic ninja simulation game to finally prove that ninjas are not just a myth or a cool black outfit. Many people don't take them seriously because all they know are rumors, while the truth is much deeper and more realistic than you would ever expect. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif

Maximus1170
10-30-2006, 02:23 PM
Arent the fist three Splinter Cell games basically games with a modern ninja though?<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Thisgamecouldbe
10-30-2006, 03:08 PM
the truth is much deeper and more realistic than you would ever expect.

NOo....

princeofyo
10-30-2006, 05:54 PM
As long your game doesn't play a part in the Assassin's Creed series, I don't have a problem with it (although I still don't believe a realistic ninja game will sell well).

Besides, as many people said before, there just isn't a lot of historical facts on Ninjas. At least not enough to make an original game with a great story. Even if a realistic Ninja game was to come out, it would be pretty identical to Assassin's Creed.

I am also wondering what this thread is doing in an Assassin's Creed Forum. Your game has nothing to do with Assassin's Creed and this thread is basiclly a "Let's create a new video game and discuss what it will be about" thread. I think it should be closed... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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ninjacreed
10-31-2006, 03:40 AM
NOo....

Before saying "yes", "no" or "I hate you Ninjacreed and your silly game", we would like to receive some reasons for your answers. Exactly, what do you know about ninjas to say that? Try to find something to support your opinion, instead of.. that "NOo..". Or our conclusion would be that you're just ignorant.

Next one, please..


As long your game doesn't play a part in the Assassin's Creed series, I don't have a problem with it (although I still don't believe a realistic ninja game will sell well).

Besides, as many people said before, there just isn't a lot of historical facts on Ninjas. At least not enough to make an original game with a great story. Even if a realistic Ninja game was to come out, it would be pretty identical to Assassin's Creed.

I am also wondering what this thread is doing in an Assassin's Creed Forum. Your game has nothing to do with Assassin's Creed and this thread is basiclly a "Let's create a new video game and discuss what it will be about" thread. I think it should be closed...

First of all, we are here because the structure (as we said at the beginning, but perhaps you were too lazy to
read also the first post) and the possibilities offered by AC would be perfect to create the game we're talking about. Of course, we could make a lonely thread in a lonely forum of a lonely site to express our idea, but how many AC developers or such would have read that? Here instead, there are some chances. Now, about the historical facts... well, we tried to search informations about both hashashins and ninjas to match it and see if there aren't really enough informations to create a game about them.

hashashins:

The Hashshashin (also Hashishin, Hashashiyyin or Assassins) was a religious sect (often referred to as a cult) of Ismaili Muslims from the Nizari sub-sect. They had a militant basis which was employed in various political or religious purposes. They were thought to be active in the 8th to 14th centuries. This mystic secret society specialized in terrorising the Abbasid elite with fearlessly executed, politically motivated assassinations. The word "assassin" is derived from their name.

(Wikipedia)

The sect known as "the Assassins," a corruption of an Arabic word that means hashish smoker, is familiar to the West as a mystical cult of killers led by the "Man in the Mountain" encountered by the Crusaders. But it was not defeat at the hands of Christians that ended more than a century of Assassin rule; it was the massive and brutal invasion of Mongols from the East who conquered Assassin strong points and mountain fortifications one by one, crushing nearly all traces of this once fearsome sect.

(Marshall G. S. Hodgson, from the book The Secret Order of Assassins)

Derived from the Arabic for hashish, the Hashashin were originally an order established by the Old Man of the Mountain, Hassan Sabah, a Nizari Ismaili, who chose the fortress of Alamut in 1090 as his base for a revolt against the Turkic Seljuq rulers of Persia.
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By some accounts, his self-sacrificing devotees carried out suicide missions against prominent figures in mosques and other public places - the first being the powerful vizier Nizam Al-Mulk - while under the influence of hashish.
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From Alamut, the Nizari Ismailis extended their scattered territory to Syria where they preyed on Crusaders. Their most celebrated victim was Conrad of Montferrat, king of Jerusalem, cut down in 1192 by assassins disguised as Christian monks.

(Guy Dinmore)

Ending: They were a religious sect of assassins (and smokers :P) that killed many important political figures.

ninjas:


First, the shogun Yoshihira Ashikaga, in 1467, used ninjas as a support for his empire. It was in that period that the ninja clans (a.k.a families) started to gain power. Second, Oda Nobunaga, who hated ninjas (and feared their power), started a war aganist them, a war which ended in 1581 (because he was killed by an enemy), after two (failed) attempts to conquer Iga, the "ninjas'nest". Then, Ieyasu Tokugawa transformed (in 1582) ninjas into spies, assassins and secret police (if we don't get wrong, he had a group of elitŔ ninjas as bodyguards, but we can't remember its name) and used them a lot. This is just a part of their history.

(Ninjacreed team, from their history books)

Ending: They were members of clans and praticants of ninjutsu who used their skills to complete tasks of social, political and military value. They were so a pain in the a** that Oda Nobunaga tried to siege their main city twice.

As you can see, we know the same things about both of them. We know what they were and what they did. But that's all. The "details" (way of operating, their missions, their marks) of their stories are not historically proven (or there are no traces of them in the history books). So, a 100% realistic game is rather improbable. But, since AC is coming, we think that Ubisoft can do the same for NC.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Thisgamecouldbe
10-31-2006, 09:21 AM
the truth is much deeper and more realistic than you would ever expect.


NOo....

quote:
NOo....


Before saying "yes", "no" or "I hate you Ninjacreed and your silly game", we would like to receive some reasons for your answers. Exactly, what do you know about ninjas to say that? Try to find something to support your opinion, instead of.. that "NOo..". Or our conclusion would be that you're just ignorant.

Speaking of ignorance.........

I was not talking at all about your dream ninja game.... I was being sarcastic at your statement.


quote:
the truth is much deeper and more realistic than you would ever expect.


NOo....

Hahahahaahhaha.

ninjacreed
10-31-2006, 03:11 PM
I was not talking at all about your dream ninja game.... I was being sarcastic at your statement.

And that was your best? If we didn't even realize this, it would be better for you to start improving your sarcasm. But, hey, if you have to say something (we mean, something useful, so try to think before writing) about the game, do it please. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

"Strike like thunder and fly more quickly than lightning - that is the way you should act."
Morihei Ueshiba, "Budo"

"First learn to become invincible, then wait for your enemy's moment of vulnerability." Sun Tzu

"To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating an enemy is provided by the enemy himself." Sun Tzu

princeofyo
10-31-2006, 03:43 PM
I've actually read each post in this thread at least once... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif so don't call me lazy.

You're just making a game that in theory is Assassin's Creed and Splinter Cell put together. Splinter Cell is obviously a very popular series and Assassin's Creed will no doubt become extremly popular too. Ubisoft shouldn't be making games that are almost copies of other games they have.

Would you like to be an AC developer working on the series for years, and after finishing the series, learn that you have to make another game that in theory is a copy of AC? No, you would probably like to branch out a bit.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Thisgamecouldbe
10-31-2006, 06:09 PM
And that was your best? If we didn't even realize this, it would be better for you to start improving your sarcasm. But, hey, if you have to say something (we mean, something useful, so try to think before writing) about the game, do it please.

Lol, how amusing..... YOU did not realize it! lol! Truly....

ninjacreed
11-01-2006, 02:35 AM
I've actually read each post in this thread at least once... so don't call me lazy.

You're just making a game that in theory is Assassin's Creed and Splinter Cell put together. Splinter Cell is obviously a very popular series and Assassin's Creed will no doubt become extremly popular too. Ubisoft shouldn't be making games that are almost copies of other games they have.

Would you like to be an AC developer working on the series for years, and after finishing the series, learn that you have to make another game that in theory is a copy of AC? No, you would probably like to branch out a bit.

Have you read the whole thread? That's good. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif We apologize then. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif Now, about what you said.. well, that's a very interesting point. Truly. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif Infact, NC could be seen as the sum of all stealth games "actually" (well, AC is not ready yet.. sigh http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif ) on the market, since they all have something that resemble the ninjas'way of act. And, perhaps, Ubisoft could get tired of publishing "only" (we mean, *a lot of*) these games, as well as its developers. But, from the other side, we noticed that there are still some very good ideas which could be used to create another, "unique" (or which presents unique features), stealth game (hopefully NC http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif ). And, the experience that Ubisoft (and its staff) has now with this kind of games can be seen as a positive thing too, since the probabilities to create another masterpiece (at least for the stealth game market) are quite high.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif so, our suggestion will stay here, just in case.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

"Strike like thunder and fly more quickly than lightning - that is the way you should act."
Morihei Ueshiba, "Budo"

"First learn to become invincible, then wait for your enemy's moment of vulnerability." Sun Tzu

"To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating an enemy is provided by the enemy himself." Sun Tzu

Nuke_The_Whales
11-01-2006, 09:49 AM
Originally posted by ninjacreed:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I've actually read each post in this thread at least once... so don't call me lazy.

You're just making a game that in theory is Assassin's Creed and Splinter Cell put together. Splinter Cell is obviously a very popular series and Assassin's Creed will no doubt become extremly popular too. Ubisoft shouldn't be making games that are almost copies of other games they have.

Would you like to be an AC developer working on the series for years, and after finishing the series, learn that you have to make another game that in theory is a copy of AC? No, you would probably like to branch out a bit.

Have you read the whole thread? That's good. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif We apologize then. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif Now, about what you said.. well, that's a very interesting point. Truly. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif Infact, NC could be seen as the sum of all stealth games "actually" (well, AC is not ready yet.. sigh http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif ) on the market, since they all have something that resemble the ninjas'way of act. And, perhaps, Ubisoft could get tired of publishing "only" (we mean, *a lot of*) these games, as well as its developers. But, from the other side, we noticed that there are still some very good ideas which could be used to create another, "unique" (or which presents unique features), stealth game (hopefully NC http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif ). And, the experience that Ubisoft (and its staff) has now with this kind of games can be seen as a positive thing too, since the probabilities to create another masterpiece (at least for the stealth game market) are quite high.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif so, our suggestion will stay here, just in case.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Yes, good point....<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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savon_blake
11-01-2006, 12:08 PM
Hello friends...
I just got done reading this entire thread (now I need a nap). Some very interesting stuff in here. Here's my 2 cents:

I absolutely love the idea of someone finally making a true (and well made) Ninja game! I think there are so many possibiltys you could do with it - it could be amazing.

And yes there are allot of historical facts that it could be based on - but to be honest - to me it wouldn't have to be wholely historical to be good. Just call it a "fantasy game" and then no one can argue otherwise.

Games don't only sell b/c they are historically true - yes some do (ie. the 800 WWII games on the market - but I don't think anyone is complaining that Zelda, the Matrix or Lord Of The Rings is not true and thus should not be sold).

To anyone that says this idea is overdone and would not sell - well I don't think they understand the industry (ha - again look at the 800 WWII games on the market).

I understand what "ninjacreed" is saying, that there is allot of similarties between this concept and AC and thus maybe it could be built on the same engine (certainly would give the project a jump start). Which is why - to answer one of your questions it is being disscussed in this forum. But the crowd reactions (changing depedning on what method you choose) and location interactions could really make this thing allot of fun (and challenging).

Back to originallity - AC is by no means the first assassin game (although it will be the best). Like some of you have said - "Splinter Cell", "Hitman: Silent Assassin", any "Sniper" game out there, etc...These are all based on the same concept just diff. ways and times.

Of course you wouldn't want it to be the same everything - just changing into a ninja suit. You don't have to - there is so much untapped territory here and for anyone that disagrees with me then go watch "The Last Samuri" (although it is not about ninjas - they do appear in it - it sets the time frame in which the game could be set. Now saying that, I could even see part of the game having samuri's in it.

Maybe for one of the final chapters you could have a big battle ninja's vs. samuri (going back to fantasy not historical). This could even have some good "team play" parts built in - much like Rainbow6... This could especially apply in the multiplayer part of it - you pick which side of the battle you want to fight for. I can see some really good sword fighting here..: )

I could even see a franchise born out of this if it was done right (and by right I mean as much time put into as AC and made for next gen gameplay). The first levels is the training camp. Where you learn all about the "Way of the Ninja" and all about the weapons etc...

Speaking of which - the weapons alone I think could make for the best part of the game (and some of the originality). Check some of them out here: http://www.entertheninja.com/ninja_fact/weapons.shtml
...and tell me some of those don't look like fun!

So anyway - I don't want to step on any toes - but I do think the time is right for someone to finally due the ninja market justice. It would have to have a cool name though (not "ninjacreed" - no offense) maybe something like "way of the warrior" (wich could develope into other types of games as well not just ninjas), or "beverly hills ninja" (j/k - but great movie!)

So really what I was saying about understanding the industry is it's not all about originality - its about game play! And there is more than enough good "ninja missions/campaigns/whatever you want to call thems" ideas to make some really good game play!!!

So count me in - but either way - lets please finish AC first so we can all have better things to do then fight about a game that we have no control over..: )

haha - seeya guys...

savon_blake
11-01-2006, 12:19 PM
...Wow - sorry guys, I just looked at my post and I didn't realize how long it was..: )

ha - I did think of a better name though:
"The Invisible Warrior"

Ok - seeya later!

ninjacreed
11-01-2006, 03:28 PM
Finally, the cavalry is here! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Thanks savon_blake for your support. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif You made a *really* good point and we totally agree with you, of course. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Just a few things.. first, about the name.. well, as we already said, we were just ironizing about it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Even if we are starting to love it now. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif Anyway, it can be changed if necessary. About the "final chapter big battle", well, altought ninjas have really fought in some battles as field units, we think that this choice could go aganist the philosofy of the game. No offense. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Instead, the multiplayer option is very interesting and we already have one or two good ideas to suggest. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif That's all for now, we think. Thanks again. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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"First learn to become invincible, then wait for your enemy's moment of vulnerability." Sun Tzu

"To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating an enemy is provided by the enemy himself." Sun Tzu

Thisgamecouldbe
11-01-2006, 04:59 PM
The reasons I think Ubisoft won't make a Ninja game......

There are plenty of stealthy games, I think they might try to make something a little bit diferent. This of course is pure speculation, although it would be *interesting to see a Ninja game based on historical facts and Ubisoft did say they were going to start telling real stories, but no-one really knows what stories.............

gibbo3000
11-01-2006, 08:01 PM
i think a ninja game like this would be good. but they obviously tried to avoid the cheesy ninja thing and make a game with some more credibility.
but a ninja game would be pretty much the same except with diffrent levels. a more oriental feel. i think that it would be good.
so many people are thining ninja and going straight to the dodgy hollywood movies. they were just like aldair. they would only sneak around to get into a camp or base, just like an assassin would.

master_laeR
11-02-2006, 01:52 PM
Originally posted by savon_blake:

Of course you wouldn't want it to be the same everything - just changing into a ninja suit. You don't have to - there is so much untapped territory here and for anyone that disagrees with me then go watch "The Last Samuri" (although it is not about ninjas - they do appear in it - it sets the time frame in which the game could be set. Now saying that, I could even see part of the game having samuri's in it.

Maybe for one of the final chapters you could have a big battle ninja's vs. samuri (going back to fantasy not historical). This could even have some good "team play" parts built in - much like Rainbow6... This could especially apply in the multiplayer part of it - you pick which side of the battle you want to fight for. I can see some really good sword fighting here..: )
Now This sounds somewhat decent! Samurai! There have been almost no more than... 10 or so good samurai games.There is a place with untapped territory if I've ever seen it!

A Samurai game would be alot more interesting if you could some how fit in stealth based gameplay. The stealth gameplay would be subtle though, something like splinter cell lite but in feudal japan.

There was once an ex-ninja who became a Samurai in the waning years of militaristic japan, so it could still be factual if you were to put this individual in the main story. Theres a whole plethora of stuff that ubisoft can implement in a Weeaboo friendly game. It doesn't have to be about the ninja. If you want a special, creative and memorable game, THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX!

chewie1890
11-03-2006, 04:05 PM
Reading the last couple of posts that came after me I started thinking why does it have to be a game like Assassins Creed? Follow me on this. Assassins Creed is a single player third person game correct?

Well how about something along the lines of a Ninja RTS. I know I just lost a whole bunch of people who were reading this but please stick with me. Imagine having 20 or so elite ninja's under your control which you can tell to do missions while you manipulate political figures to do what you want(I.E. Convincing one group to go against another). Theres an entire new franchise right there.

I'm not sure how many people would like the RTS theme, but i'm a fan of them so I figured 'hey if they can make a Halo RTS why can't we make a ninja one?'.

Anyways thats just a new tidbit of thought for you to think about. Hopefully it will give you guys some new ideas and maybe even turn some more people onto this game. I know if it came out I would definitly have to pick it up.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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ninjacreed
11-04-2006, 07:42 AM
Both the RTS and the samurai game ideas are not bad after all, but we think that the stealth game is still the best solution. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif This is because a stealth game combines already both action and strategy. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Just think about it. In a action game, the attention is only on the combat. You don't mind about thinking what is the best way to reach your mark or how to kill it. Your katana is always your best choice. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif In a RTS instead, you attention is only.. well, on the strategy of course. You plan what actions your little ninja has to do and if all goes well, it's a victory for sure. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif But.. ehy, what about all the trill about hiding from the guards, the tension while moving silently along some shady corridor of a castle and the adrenaline when you have to face a tough combat with an enemy that has spotted you? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif The RTS can't involve you like an action game. So, as we said before, a stealth game offers both action and strategy. Infact, in order to complete your mission, you need to gather informations about your mark and the place where you have to act, plan a strategy to reach it without allerting the whole Japan and even do it in first person. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif This means that you have to use your brain (strategy) and your abilities (action/combat) all the time, without focusing on just one of them. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Morihei Ueshiba, "Budo"

"First learn to become invincible, then wait for your enemy's moment of vulnerability." Sun Tzu

"To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating an enemy is provided by the enemy himself." Sun Tzu

ninjaxmaster
11-05-2006, 12:22 AM
Hm, one thing I'm seeing a lot of is comments that suggest the whole series will be about Altair, where as it has been suggestd or confirmed that 1 or both of the 2 sequels will take place in the present/future. This could suggest to some that you are 'possibly' taking the role of an assassin of the future, 'playing' these simulations of the past's great assassin's to gain experience ( kind of like the virtual training in Metal Gear Solid series, except much more realistic. This idea is further backed up by the reported 'glitching' of the screen in trailers, and when Altair was killed in a video demo, the screen fades to black and a 'computer offline' message is cast. Other support of this is shown in the Assassin's Creed Wikipedia page.) Now how many groups of great assassins have their been historically? Most people will reference towards the ninja as number one, people with more knowledge will also refer to the Hashshashin. So in all possibility, if the game takes the course that I've suggested, which is very much a possibility, it's entirely acceptable to imagine that one of the sequels could be a ninja based assassin simulation game, as the ninja were infact assassin's ( as well as many other things, spies, mercenaries, bodyguards, etc. etc.) Assassin does not refer only to the Hashshashin, though the term was derived from them.

People also seem to be bringing in random unsupported concepts of ninja which are mostly wholely untrue. One example is the comparison to hashshashin being city assassin's and ninja being rural assassin's, where as both groups more than likely worked in both areas. When ninja were assassinating major figures, they would usually be in military compounds located in cities, or in castles, which had cities built around them.

Some are saying ninja also only snuck around in the shadows so the concept of Assassin's Creed would not work with a ninja theme. The ninja, as Ninja Creed said, did use social stealth, possibly even more effectively than Altair does, as they often dressed up completely as members of different professions to obtain work within castles and cities to gain information or get closer to targets.

Another statement which is somewhat ridiculous is saying that it would be unintelligable to make a ninja simulation game because of the lack of historical information on ninja. I don't know if you've done much or any research into the history of the Hashshashin, but information on them is nearly as scarce and unreliable as most records of them were kept by the crusaders of the time who were notorious for having a lack of knowledge on the local customs and people.

Ninja were also not 'informal samurai' as was suggested. They didn't follow the Bushido code of samurai, so for a samurai to perform the ninja's guerilla tactic's would bring shame upon themselves, though there were some samurai who did join the ranks of ninja and brought their military and swordsman skills into the ninja realm, Hattori Hanzo for one.

Suicidal assaults were not restricted to the ninja either (in fact, they probably got away more often than killed themselves, and seppuku was more leaning towards the samurai and the Bushido code, as it was considered embarassing to suffer defeat or capture, and samurai were sometimes offered the option of committing seppuku rather than be killed by their captures.) as Ninjacreed displayed in one of his posts, the Hashshashin's attacks were often suicidal, not so much in the way of ninja/samurai's method of seppuku, but their straight forward attack method left them open in public to be captured and killed, and as the Hashshashin were reported to be drugged with hashish, opium or wine before their attacks, they were probably even less likely to escape as they would be disoriented and their senses would be clouded from the substance they were given.

And then there's the people who did not read the thread at all and just posted. Making themselves look foolish by saying things like 'it's not called ninja creed, because it's about assassin's not ninjas!' Please try to read the thread before placing your fingers on the keyboard.


Anyways, that's just my rant. I think an Assassin's Creed style game with a ninja twist would be very nice, as every ninja game available looks into the mystical aspect of the ninja, while fun, is getting tired and I'd rather play a realistic stealth ninja game. I full support the idea and Ninjacreed. And don't get me wrong, I have nothing against the Hashshashin or this game, I'm very excited for it and like it the way it is now, but with the storyline guesses thus far, you must admit there would be room for such a game (I'd rather see ninja than have it based in the future...)

ninjacreed
11-05-2006, 02:17 AM
Well, what can we say more? Wonderful post. We just have to bow to you and say "thanks". http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

princeofyo
11-05-2006, 03:22 PM
I would support the idea, as long as it doesn't interfere with the Assassin's Creed series (which I think should focus on Altair and the Hashashin). I also wouldn't like it if the developers of Assassin's Creed would have to make another game that is pretty similir to Assassin's Creed...right after making Assassin's Creed.

The problem Ninjaxmaster is that you didn't mention how similir Assassin's Creed and "Ninja's Creed" would be. Besides story, and setting, the two games would be, in theory the same. And please don't say they can put "Ninja's Creed" as part of the Assassin's Creed series. Altair seemes like he will be a very interesting character and I doubt you can tell his whole story in one game...<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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master_laeR
11-05-2006, 06:29 PM
The problem Ninjaxmaster is that you didn't mention how similir Assassin's Creed and "Ninja's Creed" would be. Besides story, and setting, the two games would be, in theory the same. And please don't say they can put "Ninja's Creed" as part of the Assassin's Creed series. Altair seemes like he will be a very interesting character and I doubt you can tell his whole story in one game...

My point exactly princeofyo. The only thing "Ninjas Creed" would be is a re-skin of all the characters and a re-map of the levels.

IT WOULD BE THE SAME GAME. Especially since most of the "Ninja Creed" supporters imply that the ninja doesn't only lurk in the shadows, but also dresses in civilian clothing in the day time in order to execute their objective in broad daylight.

I don't know about the rest of you, but that sounds alot like another game I've heard about... whats it called? A-a... Assasins... Oath? No, wait... Cre-Creed... Assassins Creed! Thats it! Have you guys heard of it? It looks awesome and original! I hope no one mucks it up with a silly ninja themed sequel... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

ninjacreed
11-06-2006, 07:15 AM
My point exactly princeofyo. The only thing "Ninjas Creed" would be is a re-skin of all the characters and a re-map of the levels.

IT WOULD BE THE SAME GAME. Especially since most of the "Ninja Creed" supporters imply that the ninja doesn't only lurk in the shadows, but also dresses in civilian clothing in the day time in order to execute their objective in broad daylight.

I don't know about the rest of you, but that sounds alot like another game I've heard about... whats it called? A-a... Assasins... Oath? No, wait... Cre-Creed... Assassins Creed! Thats it! Have you guys heard of it? It looks awesome and original! I hope no one mucks it up with a silly ninja themed sequel...

Same thing for WWII FPSs. "What's this? Call of Duty? It's like Medal of Honor.. I mean, same setting, same period, same weapons and.. hell, even the same enemy! So, how is it possibile that has sold a lot of copies like MOH?" That's the point. Could you please tell us why? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Morihei Ueshiba, "Budo"

"First learn to become invincible, then wait for your enemy's moment of vulnerability." Sun Tzu

"To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating an enemy is provided by the enemy himself." Sun Tzu

master_laeR
11-06-2006, 08:28 AM
Originally posted by ninjacreed:
Same thing for WWII FPSs. "What's this? Call of Duty? It's like Medal of Honor.. I mean, same setting, same period, same weapons and.. hell, even the same enemy! So, how is it possibile that has sold a lot of copies like MOH?" That's the point. Could you please tell us why? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Its just silly to bring this up. There are hundreds of games from hundreds of genres that could fit into this argument. Games sell for many different reasons. Certain actors providing voices, certain directors on the crew, and certain developers can all impact why a game sells.
Secondly, everyone loves to hear more about WWII(right? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif) ! The MOH series is a little dry, but Call of Duty 2 was the epitomie of a good historic shooter... But that subject is for a different thread.

Lets take a closer look... From what I've read and interpreted from your last post, it seems to me that you believe that since the publishers of MOH and Call of Duty can go out and create sequel after sequel, why can't a ninja game do it too?
This is where people make mistakes. Though your intent is innocent enough, what will happen is ninja games will no longer be respected (they pretty much aren't respected now). Their formula will become bland and overused by the time the second game is released. You can only play so many sneaking missions until they all start to blur together and become boring. You need something other than what has been done. If you do something that Assassins Creed hasn't done, then you may have something worth while.

The Assassins Creed developers were inspired by books, movies and other resources. They were inspired by something outside of their industry. You on the other hand were inspired to create a game with source material from the industry. You are bringing nothing new to the table. You have a recipe that has been borrowed from others without anything new added to it.

Why have games like Katamari Damacy and Grand Theft Auto sold so well? Think about it.

ninjacreed
11-06-2006, 12:21 PM
Games sell for many different reasons. Certain actors providing voices, certain directors on the crew, and certain developers can all impact why a game sells.

Thanks for providing us a good defence from your argument ("IT WOULD BE THE SAME GAME"). It's strange that you haven't said "originality" as your first example.. so, perhaps it's not just about *what* game are you trying to create, but *how* you create it too..


From what I've read and interpreted from your last post, it seems to me that you believe that since the publishers of MOH and Call of Duty can go out and create sequel after sequel, why can't a ninja game do it too?

Errr.. no. That wasn't in our intentions. You just said that speaking of NC is like speaking of an AC clone, so we asked you if speaking of Call of Duty would be the same of speaking about a MOH clone. Because, basically, they are the same game (or, at least, very similar to each other), but with slight differences that make them, well.. different, of course. So, why can't NC presents the same slight differences from AC?


The Assassins Creed developers were inspired by books, movies and other resources. They were inspired by something outside of their industry. You on the other hand were inspired to create a game with source material from the industry.

Don't make us laugh, please. We took ispiration from AC only from the technological point of view, seeing its engine and its structure as well suited for our NC idea. And, by the way, what we know about ninjas comes from history books, documentaries, researches on Google, martial arts magazines and even by knowing some ninjutsu praticant. All sources which are *outside* the gaming industry, like you already said for AC.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

"Strike like thunder and fly more quickly than lightning - that is the way you should act."
Morihei Ueshiba, "Budo"

"First learn to become invincible, then wait for your enemy's moment of vulnerability." Sun Tzu

"To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating an enemy is provided by the enemy himself." Sun Tzu

master_laeR
11-06-2006, 12:47 PM
It's strange that you haven't said "originality" as your first example...
Actually, thats all I've been saying. My previous posts have all pointed out how "Ninja Creed" won't sell due to lack of originality. So... Next one...


So, why can't NC presents the same slight differences from AC?
Oh, It can! Its just that Assassins Creed is first in line. Therefore one must compare the latter to the former.


...what we know about ninjas comes from history books, documentaries, researches on Google, martial arts magazines and even by knowing some ninjutsu praticant. All sources which are *outside* the gaming industry, like you already said for AC.

So you say. But remember when you said this:

Of course, there are no verified proofs about ninjas.
Confused? Me too. You said you want a realistic ninja simulation game. How can you make a realistic ninja simulation game when all of your outside sources are unverified rumors?

You'll just end up making another Tenchu! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

princeofyo
11-06-2006, 04:30 PM
The thing that bothers me, Ninjacreed is that I don't really think you care much about Assassin's Creed and that all you care about is making a ninja game that will be similar to Assassin's Creed.

You joined the forums on August 17th which is the same date as this thread was made, correct?

Since you joined the forums you have posted 23 times, all of which have been in this thread. This means that the only thing you have done in an Assassin's Creed forum is tell us how it could be used to make a ninja game...

My thoughts tell me that you are simply just a ninja fanatic that wants a realistic ninja game, and you couldn't care less if Assassin's Creed was dropped and your "Ninja's Creed" took its place.

I'm not saying its true, but through my eyes that's what it looks like.

I'm not saying your idea is bad either. I'm just saying it's very unoriginal, and the worst part of it is that Assassin's Creed isn't even out yet and already you are thinking of a game that could mimic it. Perhaps long after the Assassin's Creed series are over, then a realistic ninja game could be made, but let's at least finish the AC series first before we start thinking of ideas for a game that is its clone.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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ninjaxmaster
11-06-2006, 04:32 PM
Originally posted by princeofyo:
I would support the idea, as long as it doesn't interfere with the Assassin's Creed series (which I think should focus on Altair and the Hashashin). I also wouldn't like it if the developers of Assassin's Creed would have to make another game that is pretty similir to Assassin's Creed...right after making Assassin's Creed.

The problem Ninjaxmaster is that you didn't mention how similir Assassin's Creed and "Ninja's Creed" would be. Besides story, and setting, the two games would be, in theory the same. And please don't say they can put "Ninja's Creed" as part of the Assassin's Creed series. Altair seemes like he will be a very interesting character and I doubt you can tell his whole story in one game...

Did you just skim my post or read the whole thing? If you read the whole thing you will take note of where I said that the whole Assassin's Creed series is not based in the Third Crusade, thus does not likely follow Altair through out the whole series. If it does, his form in this first Assassin's Creed is just that, a form of Altair, as there can be many, seeing as how if he is played throughout the whole series, you will take on his role in the future/present stage of the series, thus a ninja version of him is fully plausible. Also, considering that the series is infact 'Assassin's Creed' the series will likely just be a series of Assassination style games, thus more or less, modified re-skinned versions of itself, so adding a 're-skinned' ninja version is not completely ******ed as you and Master leaR are suggesting. If you're going to say that a ninja segment to Assassin's Creed is just a stupid money grabbing ploy by re-skinning the same game without adding any profound new elements, then you need to take a serious look at any series of video games. Every series does this, often times without a complete re-skinning, just adding a new story-line, and WHOA look at that, there's butt-loads of new story possibilities if the game heads into the ninja realm. Of course this is like preaching the gospels to a bunch of inconsiderate minors who relish in their 'punk-rock' rebel glory, so I don't expect any of you to buy into any of this.

I'm also not saying it's fact that there will be a ninja segment of Assassin's Creed, I'm just saying it's entirely plausible and denying it would be utterly ******ed.

princeofyo
11-06-2006, 05:02 PM
You are putting quite a few words in my mouth and that is something I can't stand...

If you had read any of my posts you would see that I believe Assassin's Creed should stick with the story of the Hashashin. After all the AC team did do a ton of reasearch on them. It would be a little silly to do all that research and apply it to only one game.

I am 100% against having a ninja theme in the Assassin's Creed series. I feel it would be just too random and unnesesary. Why does it seem as if you are against the developers sticking with the story of the Hashashin? As I said before I don't think you can tell their story and Altair's story in just one game.

I am guessing that Assassin's Creed will be a trilogy. If it is, I believe that all three games should focus on the Hashasin and Altair.

If Assassin's Creed is not a series and their is no definite number, then by all means make a ninja game, just as long as the full story of Altair is compleated first.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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ninjacreed
11-06-2006, 06:01 PM
Just a few things... first, we never said something aganist AC. Look around if you don't believe us. According to our opinion, it will be a great game and we are waiting for it as well as everyone of you (and we think to have already said that). It's true that we don't talk so much about AC and we post only in our thread, but this doesn't mean that we don't read the other ones. We just focus our attention on defending our idea, since, as you can see, many comments are not so kind, so we have to answer back if we want to obtain something (or, at least, to try). Getting back to AC, well, it was rather obvious that we agree with the fact to finish it before starting any other thing. With "finish it", we mean the whole series. Then, if there will be some chances for a spin off, our thread will be here (we hope http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif ). We hope that our position about AC is more clear now. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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ninjaxmaster
11-06-2006, 06:45 PM
Originally posted by princeofyo:
You are putting quite a few words in my mouth and that is something I can't stand...

If you had read any of my posts you would see that I believe Assassin's Creed should stick with the story of the Hashashin. After all the AC team did do a ton of reasearch on them. It would be a little silly to do all that research and apply it to only one game.

I am 100% against having a ninja theme in the Assassin's Creed series. I feel it would be just too random and unnesesary. Why does it seem as if you are against the developers sticking with the story of the Hashashin? As I said before I don't think you can tell their story and Altair's story in just one game.

I am guessing that Assassin's Creed will be a trilogy. If it is, I believe that all three games should focus on the Hashasin and Altair.

If Assassin's Creed is not a series and their is no definite number, then by all means make a ninja game, just as long as the full story of Altair is compleated first.

Frustration is taking over.

This game is part of a trilogy, which has already been said by developer's, and the story of the game goes into the future and has a sci-fi twist, so unless it takes the Hashshashin into the modern age, it's probably not following Altair and the Hashshashin through out the trilogy. I thought I made this clear in my first post, but apparently not.

Now to say I'm against the idea of the Hashshashin in AC, I made it clear in my first post ( yet again, I have this feeling you like you skim through posts and not really get the full grasp of what you're reading, otherwise you would've understood some of the concepts I introduced already) that I'm all for the Hashshashin in AC and do not want them changing it for this game, but later in the series, it could make sense to introduce a ninja theme. Why you're so against the idea of a ninja game makes no sense. You're saying it's because ninja games on the market now are so ridiculous and foolish that it would make a mockery of Assassin's Creed to include them. You'd think that one might want a company to make a game that can actually 'as accurately as possible' show the true way of the ninja.

Now you're going to say 'oh, there's only so much information on the ninja and it's reliability is iffy.' What do you think the information on the Hashshashin is? Thousands of books worth of fact? It's potentially somewhat above par when compared with ninja information, but it's not so much as to say that ninja information is nilche.

Anyways, come up with more points for me to argue, as I doubt you have any intent of backing down soon.

princeofyo
11-06-2006, 07:23 PM
You claim I am not reading your posts (which I am thank-you-very-much) yet you are contantly putting words I did not say in my mouth.

First of all maybe the sci-fi twist is still connected with the Hashashin and that the decsendent of Altair is somehow viewing his memories. Ever think of that?

Now if you even read my last post at all you would have seen that I support a realistic ninja game as long as it doesn't interfere with the Hashashins story. You claim however that I am against a realistic ninja game compleatly, which is not true. I am reading many other intences of were you are putting words in my mouth but since I have homework to do, I don't have time to point them all out.

There is one point I am making that you have ignored. I don't believe that you can tell the Hashashins story in just one or even two games. It is rumored (or maybe confirmed?) that at least one game will take place in the future. Maybe in this game they find out what happened to the Hashashins and how the clan fell from power.

It just makes no sense at all to have one game based during the third crusade the second during feudal Japan, and the third in the future. It just does not connect. The Crusades and Ninjas do not have any similarities, none at all.

If the first three games were about the Hashashin and after that trilogy was over a Ninja trilogy that was realistic was made years later, that would be fine. But to have the first game based during the times of the third crusade and the second based on feudal Japan just doesn't connect at all!

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ninjaxmaster
11-06-2006, 09:30 PM
I guess since you're so not opposed to a ninja creed game, that's why you said "I'm 100% against a ninja game that is part of the Assassin's Creed series." Right?

Even if the sci-fi twist is one of Altair's descendants viewing his memories, it's not Altair or the Hashshashin the whole time, but rather his descendant. And how could ninja fit in here? Inter-racial child births exist, fact.

As for your point of being incapable of telling Altair's story in one game, well... Other epic tales have been told in single games, Shadow of the Colossus is quite an epic game and story, yet it manages to remain within one game, the Final Fantasy games are all quite gigantic stories and fit into one game as well. About 10% of the first Assassin's Creed is supposed to be played in the future, so it would look to some as though Altair's story could end before the game itself....

It makes no sense to have one game based in the crusades and one in feudal japan, eh? Just like how it makes no sense to have one game based in the crusades and the next in a futuristic version of earth...

I can understand your view on having Ninja's Creed come out as a trilogy years after Assassin's Creed, but I'm just trying to explain how it can be incorporated into this series, yet no one seems to be able to take with it. You keep saying it has no place, where as I've stated many a time that it can work it's way into Assassin's Creed 's trilogy.

And then there's Ninjacreed, and his usage of 'we' rather than 'I'. It's because Ninjacreed is actually more than one person using one forum account to post the ideas for both parties, thus they refer to both of themselves, rather than just their one account.

master_laeR
11-06-2006, 10:22 PM
thus they refer to both of themselves, rather than just their one account
Kinda like The Borg! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Just a reminder that we should keep it civil in here and not accuse anyone of not reading posts or start name calling. So far this has been a decent discussion.

I just don't think people take the Ninja seriously anymore. Theres so much pulp out there that refers to the Ninja, I think there would be too much focus on the fact that the main character is a ninja.

Also, the story of the Hashhashin is a pretty interesting one. not only that, but its relatively unknown to many people... unlike the story of the Ninja which is a very popular subject.

Middle Eastern Assassins: Fresh, Unfamiliar, new to the video game scene
Ninja: Popular, Very Familiar Story, dozens upon dozens of (mediocre) video games with a small handful of decent iterations

ninjacreed
11-07-2006, 03:00 AM
We totally agree with ninjaxmaster, his observations are so damn right. He left us with nothing more to say.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif Uhm.. no, maybe there is something to say.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


I just don't think people take the Ninja seriously anymore. Theres so much pulp out there that refers to the Ninja, I think there would be too much focus on the fact that the main character is a ninja.

Well, that's true. Only people who know (or belong to) the martial arts world (in general) and/or have done some (serious) researches about them can really appreciate them. If you just stop to what they are for the media (just watch any action movie with ninjas), you will go no futher than a guy dressed in black who jumps a lot around.


Ninja: Popular, Very Familiar Story

Instead, this is wrong. Popular? Yes.. but all for the wrong reasons. Very Familiar Story? Absolutly not. For example, few people know that many ninjas were also medics (that's why some of them were able to kill a man with a single hit.. by studying anathomy), or coming from powerful families.


Oh and Ninjacreed, why do you keep saying "We" instead of "I"?

Well, we already explained it and the good ninjaxmaster has just reminded that. But.. ehy, try to imagine how it would be to have a bunch of guys who share the *same* opinion and that they all post in this thread...

"Ehy, nice words Ninja1" "Thanks Ninja2. But I agree with what Ninja3 has just said too." "You're too kind, Ninja2." "Ninja4 liiikeess ninjasss... they areee.. my treeeaaasureee." "Shut up Ninja 4" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Now, this would be real weird. So we tought that a single account would be better for everybody.


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Thisgamecouldbe
11-07-2006, 03:44 PM
OK, I am not for or against such a game and since you claim to have done some research I'l take advantage and ask a question.
What historical importance did the Ninjas have? What were their goals?

princeofyo
11-07-2006, 04:31 PM
Originally posted by ninjaxmaster:
I guess since you're so not opposed to a ninja creed game, that's why you said "I'm 100% against a ninja game that is part of the Assassin's Creed series." Right?

Even if the sci-fi twist is one of Altair's descendants viewing his memories, it's not Altair or the Hashshashin the whole time, but rather his descendant. And how could ninja fit in here? Inter-racial child births exist, fact.

As for your point of being incapable of telling Altair's story in one game, well... Other epic tales have been told in single games, Shadow of the Colossus is quite an epic game and story, yet it manages to remain within one game, the Final Fantasy games are all quite gigantic stories and fit into one game as well. About 10% of the first Assassin's Creed is supposed to be played in the future, so it would look to some as though Altair's story could end before the game itself....

It makes no sense to have one game based in the crusades and one in feudal japan, eh? Just like how it makes no sense to have one game based in the crusades and the next in a futuristic version of earth...

I can understand your view on having Ninja's Creed come out as a trilogy years after Assassin's Creed, but I'm just trying to explain how it can be incorporated into this series, yet no one seems to be able to take with it. You keep saying it has no place, where as I've stated many a time that it can work it's way into Assassin's Creed 's trilogy.

And then there's Ninjacreed, and his usage of 'we' rather than 'I'. It's because Ninjacreed is actually more than one person using one forum account to post the ideas for both parties, thus they refer to both of themselves, rather than just their one account.

I honestly feel that I am talking to a brick wall... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

First of all you're right I did say series, but I meant trilogy. If you had looked at what I said under that it should make everything clear.

It would be so incredibly random if they set one of the games in Feudal Japan. A modern day setting of the Holy Land could work since it's still in the Holy Land, but to suddenly move thousands of miles east a few hundred years into the future just doesn't make sense.

Oh so you think one of Altairs desendents will fall in love with someone who is Japanese, they both move to Japan, and then their son becomes a Ninja? Oh yes perfect sense, I wonder if we can get more random? Altair also uncovers a consperisy in the Holy Land and somehow that conspericy is connected with Japan even though the two have nothing in common. Heck why a ninja theme why not an Aztec theme?

I really hope you'll get it through your head that it would make much more sense to continue a Holy Land/Hashashin theme instead of randomly moving to Japan...

And as Master_laeR said, there are already quite a lot of ninja games out there. I wonder how many Hashashin are there? One maybe, but since I've never heard about it, I doubt it's any good. Why would you want to add a theme that has already been done many, many times instead of doing a theme that has never been done before, and is compleatly orginal? Please answer this...

Oh and btw about the Borg comment, I was actually going to ask Ninjacreed if he was a Borg but I didn't think anyone would get it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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ninjaxmaster
11-07-2006, 04:37 PM
Originally posted by Thisgamecouldbe:
OK, I am not for or against such a game and since you claim to have done some research I'l take advantage and ask a question.
What historical importance did the Ninjas have? What were their goals?

The goals of ninjas were usually missions they were assigned to or hired for, so it's not so much they came about to bring down the shogunate per say.

Their origins however came from being members of lower class families that were not allowed to take part in the Bushido or samurai way of life. At this time many samurai were kind of 'being jerks' and raiding villages, because they had the power and know how, so the way of the ninja was developed to give the people a fighting chance. The martial art forms came from chinese monks, if I remember correctly, traveling the mountainous regions of Japan. This would suggest that ninjutsu is a variant of chinese martial arts, rather than a japanese martial art...

So, I guess the ninja families goals were to be free from the tyrany of the samurai, but they were more inclined to taking on whatever tasks given to them, rather than staying purely on their own goals.

Historical significances are many, as the ninja often infiltrated enemy encampments and bombed tents holding holding important figures or weapons. They would've stopped supplies caravans heading towards enemy encampments, and an army can only last as long as it's supplies. They would sneak into enemy terroritories and gain information on opposing armies, retrieve stolen artifacts, assassinate heads of households throwing all below them into chaos. Because of the ninja, many wars were won in the favor of whoever had the best ninja.

ninjaxmaster
11-07-2006, 04:51 PM
Originally posted by princeofyo:

I honestly feel that I am talking to a brick wall... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

First of all you're right I did say series, but I meant trilogy. If you had looked at what I said under that it should make everything clear.

It would be so incredibly random if they set one of the games in Feudal Japan. A modern day setting of the Holy Land could work since it's still in the Holy Land, but to suddenly move thousands of miles east a few hundred years into the future just doesn't make sense.

Oh so you think one of Altairs desendents will fall in love with someone who is Japanese, they both move to Japan, and then their son becomes a Ninja? Oh yes perfect sense, I wonder if we can get more random? Altair also uncovers a consperisy in the Holy Land and somehow that conspericy is connected with Japan even though the two have nothing in common. Heck why a ninja theme why not an Aztec theme?

I really hope you'll get it through your head that it would make much more sense to continue a Holy Land/Hashashin theme instead of randomly moving to Japan...

And as Master_laeR said, there are already quite a lot of ninja games out there. I wonder how many Hashashin are there? One maybe, but since I've never heard about it, I doubt it's any good. Why would you want to add a theme that has already been done many, many times instead of doing a theme that has never been done before, and is compleatly orginal? Please answer this...

Oh and btw about the Borg comment, I was actually going to ask Ninjacreed if he was a Borg but I didn't think anyone would get it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Touche (accent on the e...)

I guess my problem with this originally was that I never really felt that a futuristic setting would really be in the Holy Land, as I generally look at the modern world and how much more advanced we are in North America and Europe and Japan compared to the middle east, but I suppose in the future their could be some major shift where everyone wants to get closer to God, so the metropolis's of the world start migrating to the Holy Land. So, to me I was thinking that the futuristic setting would be North American, rather than middle eastern, in which case it's about as randomly placed as The Crusades and Feudal Japan, and upon realising this, my argument is fairly stupid, but if the futuristic aspect is north american, then I don't see why a random Feudal Japan bit couldn't be thrown in...

As for the loads of ninja games...This is why I (I assume Ninjacreed as well) would like a good one built with this series, to show that a good ninja game can be made and doesn't have to be all goofy and mystical...

ninjacreed
11-08-2006, 04:08 AM
As for the loads of ninja games...This is why I (I assume Ninjacreed as well) would like a good one built with this series, to show that a good ninja game can be made and doesn't have to be all goofy and mystical...

Yes, we totally agree with you. That is our goal. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif


OK, I am not for or against such a game and since you claim to have done some research I'l take advantage and ask a question.
What historical importance did the Ninjas have? What were their goals?

Well, ninjaxmaster has already provided you some good examples. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif So, we just add these words:
"One dagger in the right neck is more valuable than 100 swords in the wrong bodies." http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif


The martial art forms came from chinese monks, if I remember correctly, traveling the mountainous regions of Japan. This would suggest that ninjutsu is a variant of chinese martial arts, rather than a japanese martial art...

That's correct, if we remember as well. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Infact, just think about the "Ninja Death Punch" (or Death Touch). It's called "Dim Mak", which means "hit the point" in Chinese. But not only. The Dim Mak is also an ancient Chinese martial art, that consists of striking certain pressure points on the body to cause illness or death. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif This is possible (for the skepticals http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif ) because, after you hit a certain point, your opponent's brain will receive fake informations about his pain status or his heartbeat, for example. So, it will react by shutting down his body (in order to avoid an excessive pain sensation.. that's the same reason why some people can get unconscious if they feel too much pain) or by slowing down the heartbeat (or even stop it). Anyway, getting back to the point, the Dim Mak has influenced even the Okinawan martial art called karate, so it's probably the same thing for ninjutsu. If its origin is not Chinese, it was still heavy influenced by it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

P.S. Oh.. by the way, the Dim Mak techniques are used to heal too, since the majority of these points correspond to the same locations as acupuncture points. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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princeofyo
11-11-2006, 06:46 AM
I'm glad you finally see it my way Ninjaxmaster.

Don't get me wrong I would love to see a realistic ninja game with a good story. I'm currently playing Ninja Gaiden Black and the only thing good about the game is the action and graphics. The story however is just horrible, I have no idea what's going on in the game. Also the setting is pretty bad. At first I thought it was in feudal japan, until I see enemies with guns and rocket launchers and flying airships. Even when I went to the capital city there wasn't any citizens walking around.

So while I would love a ninja game with a good story and setting, I really don't believe it would fit in the Assassin's Creed Trilogy which I believe should focus on the Hashashin. I really don't think there can be just one game about them.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Kanuch
11-11-2006, 08:04 AM
oh, isnt this game some kind of "new prince of persia wihout prince and persia"?
what about prince of persias creed?<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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ninjacreed
11-11-2006, 12:40 PM
No, it isn't. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif POP is an action game, AC (and so NC) is a stealth game. Also, POP presents a "fantasy setting" (even if Persia really existed), while AC (and it will be the same thing for NC) presents a realistic and historical one. Even the main characters are different, except for thier high agility. The Prince is a warrior, while Altair is an assassin. Just look the "Altair Vs Prince of Persia" topic for a more detailed discussion about this last point. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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DS12
11-11-2006, 12:50 PM
I don't have much to add to this, past what's already been said. Just this:

Ninja's Creed would be pretty cliche. Like people have already said, their have been 100000+ ninja games.

Assassins Creed is fairly original.

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ninjacreed
11-12-2006, 02:21 AM
100000+

100.000+? If so, why don't you list them? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Even if you say Ninja Gaiden or Tenchu, they are all *action* games. NC will be the first ninja *simulation* game, with a realistic setting and so with no magic or monsters. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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BigRedCominAtcha
11-12-2006, 02:23 AM
ninja creed sounds abit fruity

HedeHodo2006
11-12-2006, 05:01 AM
leave the poor game alone and Read This (http://www.amazon.com/Way-Ninja-Secret-Techniques/dp/4770028059/sr=1-2/qid=1163332869/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2/103-4332871-2057458?ie=UTF8&s=books) it'll keep you quite busy for a while.

ninjacreed
11-12-2006, 07:26 AM
A book written by Dr.Masaaki Hatsumi? Cool, but we already know enough about ninjas and Hatsumi himself too. Eh, you can't defend an idea if you don't know what are you talking about.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif so, since we already made some (serious) research about ninjas, we would like to have a realistic game to play now, rather than another book to read. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif If you have a reason to say "it will be a poor game", say it know please, otherwise, well, find something else to keep yourself busy as well. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

HedeHodo2006
11-12-2006, 10:35 AM
i am quite busy nowadays. i am playing Ninjas Scrolls : Oblivion.

some idiot member of bethesdasoftworks forum suggested bethesda to make a ninja-rpg game. and bethesda take that idiot serious and made that ninja-rpg game.

I am currently at level 69 , my hero is , A f@g Ninja vampire knight dark elf magician dude.

Maximus1170
11-14-2006, 02:09 PM
NC will be the first ninja *simulation* game, with a realistic setting and so with no magic or monsters. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Isnt that just a rip off of AC then?<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

There are exceptions to everything, nothing is absolute.

ninjacreed
11-15-2006, 11:17 AM
Isnt that just a rip off of AC then?

Errr... no. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Just read the whole topic for clarifications. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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"To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating an enemy is provided by the enemy himself." Sun Tzu

entropy777
11-15-2006, 01:19 PM
<span class="ev_code_GREY">Morihei Ueshiba is the creator of Aikido, "The way of the harmonious spirit", not budo.
At least get the quote right..</span><div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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ninjacreed
11-15-2006, 02:19 PM
The quote is taken from "Budo", a technical manual written by Morihei Ueshiba in 1938. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Even his martial art, the Aikido, was called Aiki-*Budo* before 1942. So, we see no mistakes in our quote. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

"Strike like thunder and fly more quickly than lightning - that is the way you should act."
Morihei Ueshiba, "Budo"

"First learn to become invincible, then wait for your enemy's moment of vulnerability." Sun Tzu

"To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating an enemy is provided by the enemy himself." Sun Tzu

Maximus1170
11-15-2006, 02:45 PM
Originally posted by ninjacreed:
So, we see no mistakes in our quote. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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xfromtheshadows
11-15-2006, 06:00 PM
Okay you are all making this crazy, its simple, if you want ninjas creed, play tenchu, assassins creed is for assassins. And for those who say Tenchu is an *action* game, thats what ninjas did, action they didnt mess around run in, kill, escape. And you have to do quite a bit of sneaking around in tenchu, so don't say that it isnt realistic. Ninjas Creed is a dumb name for a game, it doesnt flow like assassins creed, but the groundbreaking physics of AC could be used in a ninja game.

And besides, who would the ninja be? Ninjas were very secretive, and you won;t be able to find history on one specific ninja(well you could but there might not be enough info)

princeofyo
11-15-2006, 08:15 PM
Please no one reply to the two posters above me...Let them read every post in this thread for the answers to their questions... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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ninjacreed
11-16-2006, 03:13 AM
We totally agree with you, princeofyo.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

"Strike like thunder and fly more quickly than lightning - that is the way you should act."
Morihei Ueshiba, "Budo"

"First learn to become invincible, then wait for your enemy's moment of vulnerability." Sun Tzu

"To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating an enemy is provided by the enemy himself." Sun Tzu

Dotreri
11-16-2006, 04:25 AM
There is nothing wrong with the idea of "Ninja Creed" Though I must say something like "Creed of the Ninja" would sound better. Though I would assume a ninja game would be given a entire new title.

Well anyway, I wouldn't say that Ninja games are played out, mainly because we have yet to see a good one. Tenchu being the closest, but still is lacking.


Originally posted by xfromtheshadows:
Okay you are all making this crazy, its simple, if you want ninjas creed, play tenchu, assassins creed is for assassins. And for those who say Tenchu is an *action* game, thats what ninjas did, action they didnt mess around run in, kill, escape. And you have to do quite a bit of sneaking around in tenchu, so don't say that it isnt realistic. Ninjas Creed is a dumb name for a game, it doesnt flow like assassins creed, but the groundbreaking physics of AC could be used in a ninja game.

And besides, who would the ninja be? Ninjas were very secretive, and you won;t be able to find history on one specific ninja(well you could but there might not be enough info)

In truth Ninja are the same thing, or rather vary simular, to Assassian's. The main character of Assassin's creed is not a real person, nor are the assination's. It was sated that they people you kill are real and died during the time the game take's place, though it is uncertian if they were killed by Assassin's or just in the Crusaide.

In both cases you would gather as much information as you can on the history of the area, then fill in the gaps with information that moves your story forward.

Maximus1170
11-16-2006, 02:17 PM
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There are exceptions to everything, nothing is absolute.

Kryce
11-19-2006, 03:50 AM
bad idea to change the game...

who a ninja in jeruzalem...
Stupid idea....

This sounds much cooler http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

They can change it to The godfathers creed to...:S http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif
A man with a machinegun and he shoots everyone's head of:S

ninjacreed
11-19-2006, 02:19 PM
You keep saying it's a stupid idea, but you never tell us the reason why it's like so.


who a ninja in jeruzalem...

Read the whole topic, please. We are getting tired to say it over and over again.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

"Strike like thunder and fly more quickly than lightning - that is the way you should act."
Morihei Ueshiba, "Budo"

"First learn to become invincible, then wait for your enemy's moment of vulnerability." Sun Tzu

"To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating an enemy is provided by the enemy himself." Sun Tzu

entropy777
11-19-2006, 04:31 PM
Originally posted by Kryce:
who a ninja in jeruzalem...

<span class="ev_code_GREY">Who spells Jerusalem with a Z?</span><div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Fates.Dark.Hand
11-20-2006, 09:03 AM
iz havez noz ideaz z :indizz:<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/990/fatesdarkhandsig4hg0.jpg ?
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Maximus1170
11-20-2006, 11:27 AM
really, the reason "Ninja Creed" is a bad idea is because all that you are changing from AC is the setting and the character. The gameplay will most likely be similar, and the style of game will be exactly the same. it won't be able to make as good sequels because fuedal Japan is a small area and there are no other societies involved in the game and there are no hard facts as to what really happened. the time setting is one of disorder, actual facts with details are hard to come by, so instead of a ninja "simulation", it would just be another japanese fantasy game becasue of the lack of knowledge. I know, ninjas are a historical fact and all, but what details do we have to how they really operated?

to ninjacreed:
you say that you dont want to create spin offs of AC, but NC will become the saints row of this new genre. the main concept would be the same as the first game that mastered the type of game, with similar missions to that game, and a few changes to the gameplay to make it so that the game isnt a exact replica of the origional game.
You keep saying, "well what the difference between this and the WWII games?"
I agree with this, there are to f****** many of these WWII games. But NC will just become one of those games that tried to be like a game that was great and made a lot of money, but just really blows becasue they tried to hard to make the game origional.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

There are exceptions to everything, nothing is absolute.

crazyplanet
11-20-2006, 04:35 PM
Originally posted by Maximus1170:
really, the reason "Ninja Creed" is a bad idea is because all that you are changing from AC is the setting and the character. The gameplay will most likely be similar, and the style of game will be exactly the same. it won't be able to make as good sequels because fuedal Japan is a small area and there are no other societies involved in the game and there are no hard facts as to what really happened. the time setting is one of disorder, actual facts with details are hard to come by, so instead of a ninja "simulation", it would just be another japanese fantasy game becasue of the lack of knowledge. I know, ninjas are a historical fact and all, but what details do we have to how they really operated?


I have to say you are pretty much wrong on every assumption you make. "Feudal Japan" was equal population wise to the 'Holy Land', especially when factoring in that Japan was 'Feudal' up until the late 1800's. Ninja's weren't really assassins though, but that's not to say there weren't Assassins at this time in Japan. Assassins in Japan usually worked in pairs or groups, which is how the game could expand on AC game play wise.

I think the idea of a Far east version of Assassin's Creed would be awesome, especially in China.

ninjacreed
11-21-2006, 06:14 AM
, it would just be another japanese fantasy game becasue of the lack of knowledge.

but..


In truth Ninja are the same thing, or rather vary simular, to Assassian's. The main character of Assassin's creed is not a realperson, nor are the assination's. It was sated that they people you kill are real and died during the time the game take's place, though it is uncertian if they were killed by Assassin's or just in the Crusaide.

In both cases you would gather as much information as you can on the history of the area, then fill in the gaps with information that moves your story forward.

So AC would be a "fantasy game" too.


The gameplay will most likely be similar, and the style of game will be exactly the same

They are stealth games after all. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Seriously, the ninja's way of act is rather different from the one of an Assassin (look around the topic for more informations). http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

"Strike like thunder and fly more quickly than lightning - that is the way you should act."
Morihei Ueshiba, "Budo"

"First learn to become invincible, then wait for your enemy's moment of vulnerability." Sun Tzu

"To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating an enemy is provided by the enemy himself." Sun Tzu

Maximus1170
11-21-2006, 10:29 AM
OK, so AC will be somewhat a fantasy game, but the game is still large historicaly accurate. Everything that happens in the game will be largly based on real events that happened at the same time that the game is featured. Not only that but,i supose, what game isnt a fantasy game? All games up certain events to make the game more intersting.

One good thing that would come from NC would be competition for AC. it might not compete very closely with AC, but competition gives game manufactures a reason to innovate and try new ideas on their big games.
But im still against the idea of NC. i recall someone earlier saying that because of all the horrible ninja movies, ninjas have lost all real credibility and arent seen as efficient and feared killers. They had it spot on (sorry whoever said this first, im to lazy to search for your post). Ninja games arent cool at all.

LuKeY-
11-21-2006, 07:17 PM
its funny because you all defend AC, and all the defenders havent taken ninjas idea into thought properly. rather than making it future or medieval why not present time? with yazuka and the like? tight streets, tall buildings. does it have to be in china? maybe the ninja was betrayed by yazuka and becomes a ninja and kills them then is hunted himself? why not?<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

"Pfft ive hacked into the Armys stuff before, The Army is so n00b."

ninjacreed
11-22-2006, 02:04 AM
Not only that but,i supose, what game isnt a fantasy game? All games up certain events to make the game more intersting.

So your argument aganist NC is unuseless. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif No offense, but NC will share the same realism and attention to the history as AC.


recall someone earlier saying that sciebecause of all the horrible ninja movies, ninjas have lost all real credibility and arent seen as efficient and feared killers. They had it spot on (sorry whoever said this first, im to lazy to search for your post). Ninja games arent cool at all.

This is because many people ignore what a ninja really is. They watch a trash movie and they see a porr guy dressed in black who hangs a wakizashi. "So, this must be a ninja.." WRONG! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif If they weren't too lazy to search on the internet, we are sure that many of them will change their opinions. Even a documentary would be of great help.. just for example, Fight Science, by National Geographic (where is shown the incredible "Ninja Death Punch", or Dim Mak.. and scientifically proven http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif ). But, hey, documentaries are so boring! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif So, this is also why we need NC. A game attracts (if you don't like ninjas, some good reviews may solve the problem and rise the interest) more than a search on Google or a documentary, because is more enjoyable. So, if we create a great game about ninjas (note: a very realistic one!), people will start opening their eyes.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

"Strike like thunder and fly more quickly than lightning - that is the way you should act."
Morihei Ueshiba, "Budo"

"First learn to become invincible, then wait for your enemy's moment of vulnerability." Sun Tzu

"To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating an enemy is provided by the enemy himself." Sun Tzu

HedeHodo2006
11-22-2006, 02:39 AM
ubi soft doesn't give a rats *** about your opinion. quit wasting the database space and your brains phosphorus.

LuKeY-
11-22-2006, 02:51 AM
what gives you the slightest idea they give a rats *** about yours?<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

"Pfft ive hacked into the Armys stuff before, The Army is so n00b."

ninjacreed
11-22-2006, 07:45 AM
LoL http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

"Strike like thunder and fly more quickly than lightning - that is the way you should act."
Morihei Ueshiba, "Budo"

"First learn to become invincible, then wait for your enemy's moment of vulnerability." Sun Tzu

"To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating an enemy is provided by the enemy himself." Sun Tzu

Maximus1170
11-22-2006, 02:57 PM
Originally posted by LuKeY-:
its funny because you all defend AC, and all the defenders havent taken ninjas idea into thought properly. rather than making it future or medieval why not present time? with yazuka and the like? tight streets, tall buildings. does it have to be in china? maybe the ninja was betrayed by yazuka and becomes a ninja and kills them then is hunted himself? why not?

first of all, Yakusa looks like a horrible game and should be destroyed.

Also, there is a game with a modern ninja. A little known game called "Splinter Cell"<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

There are exceptions to everything, nothing is absolute.

LuKeY-
11-22-2006, 07:01 PM
Originally posted by Maximus1170:
first of all, Yakusa looks like a horrible game and should be destroyed.

well first of all i didnt mean the game i meant involving them in NC.


Also, there is a game with a modern ninja. A little known game called "Splinter Cell"

lol amen. but he is still far from a ninja.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

"Pfft ive hacked into the Armys stuff before, The Army is so n00b."

Maximus1170
11-23-2006, 02:11 PM
Originally posted by LuKeY-:
lol amen. but he is still far from a ninja.

maybe in Double Agent (havent played the game yet) but in the first three, Fisher is just a "ninja" with guns and a guy on a mike calling the shots.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

There are exceptions to everything, nothing is absolute.

LuKeY-
11-24-2006, 12:40 AM
yeah but DA whoops the first three *ive played and finished it* and it gets as far away as it can from the ninja stuff. i strongly suggest you get it.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

"Pfft ive hacked into the Armys stuff before, The Army is so n00b."

Ezerath
11-27-2006, 04:05 PM
I'm sorry I'm a little bit late on the subject, but I like the whole idea about the ninja, no guns though, I mean, Neo and James Bond are as cool as it gets to assassins using guns. Ninja's Creed isn't really a "catchy" title, but I'm sure there is a title that fits. The idea is great though and again, sorry I'm late on the topic.

ninjacreed
11-28-2006, 02:07 AM
No problem at all. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif We're happy to see that you like our idea. And, about the title, as we said before, we were just ironizing at the beginning. It can be changed if needed, even if we are starting to love it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

"Strike like thunder and fly more quickly than lightning - that is the way you should act."
Morihei Ueshiba, "Budo"

"First learn to become invincible, then wait for your enemy's moment of vulnerability." Sun Tzu

"To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating an enemy is provided by the enemy himself." Sun Tzu

Ezerath
11-28-2006, 04:43 PM
Cool, I was really wanting to see some wall running (if not already in Assassins Creed) that would be cool for a spin-off. I can see where people are getting "Prince of Persia" from Assassins Creed, but AC beats the **** out of Prince of Persia. So, I would certainly suggest that to the makers of a future spin-off, wall running I mean.

Agent_Alpha
11-28-2006, 06:07 PM
I've been yelling for years that someone should make a "Real" ninja game, I think this is a really good idea, and it could easily fit in with the AC engine, I'd think.

SLAY3R-X3RO
11-29-2006, 07:27 PM
ninjas suck assassins are old school and rock dont tell the ubisoft people about that ninja thing this game wiould be good without it if u want ninja create your own game

ninjacreed
11-30-2006, 01:40 AM
Nice words. We hope that Ubisoft people will ignore them as well. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Seriously, if you don't tell us why, according to you, ninjas suck, your argument is poor, since it's just your opinion without any motivation behind. And about the other matter, don't make us laugh.. if the Ubisoft wants to accept suggestions or ideas, it's up to them to decide if listening to us or not. Our topic will stay here in any case.


if u want ninja create your own game

If you *don't* want ninjas, don't buy NC, as well. It works even in reverse.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

"Strike like thunder and fly more quickly than lightning - that is the way you should act."
Morihei Ueshiba, "Budo"

"First learn to become invincible, then wait for your enemy's moment of vulnerability." Sun Tzu

"To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating an enemy is provided by the enemy himself." Sun Tzu

Ezerath
12-02-2006, 10:05 AM
True ninjacreed, if anyone wants to mock an idea your up against a lot of people that like the idea. We would rather probably hear positive feed-back.

malenkoicp
12-02-2006, 10:49 PM
First of all, to ninjacreed, i must commend you and bow to you with the extreame patience you have displayed with the brick walls that you have spoken to. It is a pitty that i have come into this particular debate too late and my post most likely will not be read by many people.

I am new to this forum and have just finished reading this entire article IN ITS ENTIRETY, which is something that few if any people have done. I have to say that i understood what you were trying to get at with your first post.

I will try and clarify some points that some people seem to be getting hung up on and cant seem to get past to see the great idea you put forward.

1. The title isn't neccesarily going to be ninjas creed, I dont see why many of you people cant understand this idea, do u think that assassins creed was the first name of this game??, I am sure many of you watch tv, the pilots of the tv shows you watch are called something completely different to the shows that you watch and as they develop the show they change the name to something more suitable, much like House MD, the pilot wasnt called house, it was probly called hospital or doctors or something.

2. It doesnt have to be a reskin of AC, it could be the same as what POP is to AC, simalar but not the same, and it isnt originality that sells games, although it does help, it is gameplay. Just look at all the WWII games talked about earlier.
It could be a game set in japan about assassinations, so it could even be hitman style. Just because it is pretty much motivated by money and the missions dont interconnect doesnt mean it is a **** game.

3. I think people here think that AC is completely non fiction. But that is false, what ubisoft have done is they looked at history, and saw that person a, and b and c died in the third crusade and they were important deaths, and they said, "hey wouldnt it be cool if it was an assassin who did that all of that?", so this style could be incorperated into anything, for example it could be taken into america, with the deaths of historic personalities at the same time. It would be easy enought to incorperate this into japan.

4. Assassins and ninjas are pretty much the same thing, they both did more than just assassinations, subterfuge, anti spy work, etc etc. The only diff is assassins = western, ninjas = eastern.

5. Ninjas are not over rated, i live in australia and ninjas are damn cool over here, just because they are laughable in america doesnt mean that it wont be successful anywhere else. And because there are a lot of bad ninja games out there dont u think that a GOOD ninja game would be ORIGINAL.

6. All the information we have on ninjas is guesswork. Which is a fair enough comment, but it is EXACTLY the same as what we know about assassins, this is because assassins and ninjas = the same, do your research on one, and u have inadvertantly done research on the other, taking into account cultural differences but in their own society they done the same thing.

7. With ninjacreed refering to their account as we instead of i is because he is taking about his followers on this board not to mention all of his friends that feel the same way.

8. This ninja creed is in no way going to take over AC, it will be kind of like Half life and doom, all that he is suggesting is a SEPERATE ninja game where u can do all the stuff that you can in relation to the freedom of movement in AC to complete your missions.

I am sure there are other things that i have missed out but that will be all for now, and kudos to ninjacreed for sticking up for what he believes in firmly and i can tell you now there will be a HUGE following in australia at least for a REALISTIC NINJA GAME, which is what this fight is about.

klc123
12-03-2006, 10:33 AM
idiot...medal of honor and call of duty are fantastic games thats why they make sequeals if u can name one famous fantastic ninja game ill take my hat of too u

ninjacreed
12-03-2006, 12:11 PM
First thing, you don't have to be rude if someone has a different opinion from you. Second, what malenkoicp tried to say is, according to us, that WWII games are not so original, since the historical setting forces them to have specific features (for example, weapons, armies..), but this lack of originality doesn't affect too much their overall quality. So, he wanted to say that it would be the same thing for NC.. even if the feudal Japan setting has been used in the past, this doesn't mean that it will damage the quality of the game. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


P.S. Many thanks malenkoicp for your words and your support. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

malenkoicp
12-05-2006, 02:46 AM
ninja games where great back in the day, i remember playing the original ninja gaiden on the nes, and that game was as popular as ever over here. What about the onimusha games where awesome too, prince of persia may aswell be a ninja. but i am sure there has been some huge flops in the WWII market.

I hate to break it to you people but assassins creed idea WILL be used at some point.
It doesnt mean that it will turn AC to poo, because it will always remain THE original, sort of like doom and wolfenstein, idea done to death, but still awesome games.

what about ninja movies? like crouching tiger hidden dragon, or jackie chan and jet li movies? are they bad because they all use the same idea, punch someone and then wait till they punch you, what about action movies, i can name PLENTY of action flops, but they still keep making them because a GOOD action movie is still GOOD, but your right, i cant point out a famous fantastic ninja game, but that is pretty much the point, they have the potential to CREATE a famous and fantastic ninja game

i dont see what you guys have against ninjas anyway?, have you ever watched ninja scroll the movie, that is damn awesome. personally i think Altair is playing the role of a ninja in this game, at least thats what it looks like from the trailers.

but before you point it out i know he is an assassin, it is in the title and everything

and no worries ninja, i thought i might just bash my head against the brick wall with you.

Th3_Assass1n
12-07-2006, 09:36 AM
Hey, I didn't have the patience to read pages 2-7, but I saw that someone was wondering about the Ninja and Assassin names.

I can tell you a bit about the Assassin.
The word assassin comes from the word Hassassin, wich in turn comes from Hashassin, which means a user of some kind of drug.
Hashassins were a great clan of warriors that killed almost everybody that opposed them, but they celebrated each victory by using drugs, and I belive they used them regularly.

So far, I have told you that assasins were once a clan of drug-using great warriors.

In the modern english, a slight modification of Hashassin is used to express a murderer, an assassin.

A ninja used surprise and stealth to get to their victim, but their stealth could be just as the assassin in A.C. They could be camouflaged as a gardener in the garden of an emperror, and when they see their chance, they strike and run away. It's a fast hit, and then a fast retreat, hiding wherever they could.

The assassin in AC, Alta´r, can sometimes disappear in the crowd, but if the people in the city is against him, they will strike the alarm, and the guards will come running.

Just to clearify: assassins are subject to more danger when running away from their victim, but they will often kill from a distance (I haven't seen Alta´r strike from a distance), so that they can quickly get away without anybody noticing them.

Ninjas would get to their victim, strikes up close and personal, often with a dagger, and then confuse the enemy enoughm so they could run away.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Maximus1170
12-07-2006, 02:36 PM
you should have read pages 2-7. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

now, to the idea of NC. i dont think that in this world ubisoft will make a game like the one ninjacreed has been discribing. its not that the game isnt that bad of an idea. its that the idea is to close to AC (and ninja's creed is a horrible title http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif). this game might get a better chance at succeeding at a video game design company that isnt ubisoft. and i would really like to see it made. not so that i dont have to read about it anymore on these forums, but so that there is more one game in this type of genre that can innovate and make the game(s) better.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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ninjacreed
12-08-2006, 02:05 AM
you should have read pages 2-7. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
LoL. Well, that's true. But thanks anyway Th3_Assass1n for those informations. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


Just to clearify: assassins are subject to more danger when running away from their victim, but they will often kill from a distance (I haven't seen Alta´r strike from a distance), so that they can quickly get away without anybody noticing them.

That's true as well. But if you give the player the opportunity to kill every single target from miles away (which is the safiest and so preferite way of killing for the assassins (we mean, "assassins" in general eh http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif), we think), AC may result a little boring, don't you think? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Just think about the first trailer.. if Altair decided to take down his objective from the top of the bell tower, he would have accomplished his mission as well, but the trailer would have been much more boring.. and about 5 seconds long. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


personally i think Altair is playing the role of a ninja in this game, at least thats what it looks like from the trailers.

That's damn right malenkoicp! Infact, when we first watched the trailer, we all yelled: "Hell, that guy moves like a ninja!" Oh, and about your words (sorry for answering you so late), we agree with you.. that's a good point. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


its that the idea is to close to AC (and ninja's creed is a horrible title http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif ).

Even that is true. But of course, since we saw what Ubisoft staff can do with AC (and their work is truly amazing), this is the reason why we are asking them to create our NC. If you have to build a house, you go asking to a good company of builders, right? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif So we did with NC. If you want a realistic ninja simulation game, you first have to ask to the ones who can make it better than anyone. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Th3_Assass1n
12-08-2006, 04:15 PM
Nice summary of what has been posted lately.

And we don't get insanly furius at anyone for answereing late, do we?

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ninjacreed
12-10-2006, 12:58 AM
LoL http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif. We apologize. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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DS12
12-10-2006, 12:29 PM
I'm not convinced it's a good idea, but it really doesn't matter. Ubi usually doesn't pay attention to the community when it comes to basic stuff like bug fixes, so I doubt they're gonna care about a new game idea, not matter how good/bad it may be.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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RetiredHatch
12-10-2006, 02:29 PM
Originally posted by klc123:
idiot...medal of honor and call of duty are fantastic games thats why they make sequeals if u can name one famous fantastic ninja game ill take my hat of too u

Ninja Gaiden (the new one i haven't played the old)

angel251984
12-13-2006, 07:13 PM
I THINK IT IS A DECENT IDEA IF U COULD PULL IT OFF

LuKeY-
12-14-2006, 05:21 AM
*waits for zgubilici to stab angel for shouting*
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Sniper-Eyes
12-23-2006, 05:53 PM
The story tells about something that would affect the world forever or something like that, so maybe it could continue in present time or in the future with more advanced weapons etc.

aalataur
12-28-2006, 06:50 PM
Whoa hold on a second! First of all

A) Ninjas truly existed in feodal Japan
B) Ninjas didn┬┤t use magic, because they were all real
C) Ninjas didn┬┤t have any supernatural powers
D) They were simply hitmen of that time! Nothing mystical about them!

They had no code of honor like the samurais did, so they were hunted and despised like dogs by the warrior class and society. They were the lowest of low. Having no code of honor like everyone else made Ninjas lethal, because they could use whatever means to take the target out. They NEVER used a black suit, EXCEPT when they had to make a direct hit by night. Normally they would go undercover, dress and act like a farmer or gardener for weeks or months not to draw public attention. To study the target, to gather intelligence before the actual murder. They took their orders from royals and rich people, who wanted somebody dead. Their only motivation was money. Games like Ninja Gaiden are ARCADE GAMES with stupid ideas about Ninjas and Ninjutsu, not simulation. I would LOVE to play a Ninja SIMULATION based on Historical Facts. Assassin┬┤s Creed is a good enough substitute, but a serious game about Ninja tradition has always fascinated me. Hollywood and stupid game devs have given Ninjas a bad rep, like they are something to laugh about, something from imagination. They were not. Ninja was simply Mr. 47 of ancient Japan mixed a bit with Sam Fishers acrobatics and some bad *** martial arts skills. Assassin, flesh and bone. Because there was a little or no firearms, they had to master martial arts and poisons, stealth, acrobatics and rely on that. No magic of any kind, no 5 meter jumps upwards, nothing like that. One good hit from a Samurai blade and Ninja was dead. Ninjas weren┬┤t "theatratical", in fact they were far from it, and THAT made them so efficient killers: samurais followed strict code of honor, Ninjas didn┬┤t. A Ninja was more ruthless than a Samurai, because a Ninja took everything theatratical OUT from the killing, they acted as practical as possible. This gave them ways to kill that Samurais never could use because of their honor - poison, back stabbing etc. etc. In some occasions Ninjas used powder smokes and flashes after a kill to create fear and a rep as "supernatural enemies", but that was only a small detail about them, which has been exaggerated hugely in popular culture. Mainly they were all business.

Comprende?

Only thing NOT suitable for a game about Ninjas is, that they were evil, greedy men,(ex warrior) who had no honor or empathy of any kind. They killed for money, highest paying customer was their only ally. Far from a hero. But that┬┤s only a matter of an opinnion, I think Hitman made a great game and Mr. 47 isn┬┤t the nicest man, right?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ninja

FARLEYFAN
12-28-2006, 07:49 PM
SIMPLE QUESTION : Why not Ninja's Creed?

SIMPLE ANSWER : Because Altair is not a ninja, he is an assassin.

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princeofyo
12-28-2006, 09:48 PM
Originally posted by FARLEYFAN:
SIMPLE QUESTION : Why not Ninja's Creed?

SIMPLE ANSWER : Because Altair is not a ninja, he is an assassin.

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Mods should close this topic http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif

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zgubilici
12-28-2006, 10:16 PM
Originally posted by angel251984:
I THINK IT IS A DECENT IDEA IF U COULD PULL IT OFF

Please don't post in all caps, it is considered shouting.
Thanks.




Originally posted by LuKeY-:
*waits for zgubilici to stab angel for shouting*
ehe.....

heh http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif




Originally posted by FARLEYFAN:
SIMPLE QUESTION : Why not Ninja's Creed?

SIMPLE ANSWER : Because Altair is not a ninja, he is an assassin.

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Mods should close this topic http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif

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Well amazingly enough the world is not always made just out of simple questions and answers.http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

People can get passionate and debate a lot of issues - in this case, it's speculation about another potential game or just simply exchange of known information about ninjas.
In short, it's a rather complex subject, and if forum members wish to debate it - just like they debate any other subjects in different threads - they can do so, as long as things are kept civilized - speaking of which, the creator of the thread is doing a great job at that, with lots of patience and tolerance, which sadly not too many people have.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">


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12-28-2006, 10:44 PM
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12-28-2006, 11:20 PM
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ninjacreed
12-29-2006, 01:55 PM
Very well, you made your own answer known. that doesn't mean the whole topic is exhausted for everyone else.

We agree with you, zgubilici. Don't forget that the reasons behind every answer are as important as the answer itself. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


Mods should close this topic

And you should read the whole topic before posting. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif


the creator of the thread is doing a great job at that, with lots of patience and tolerance, which sadly not too many people have.

Thanks a lot. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


P.S. Thanks also to aalataur for his notes about ninjas. Just a thing.. ninjas were not "evil", they just had no "honor code" to follow, so they were free to accept every kind of task and, of course, use every mean to accomplish it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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aalataur
12-29-2006, 02:04 PM
Assassins Creed will be great game, and this is not discussion about changing that. But Jade Rayomnd herself has said, that Altair is kind of a Ninja of that time and place. Arabic Ninja, sort of. Assassin.

In fact I believe that they were PLANNING to do a serious kind of Ninja Simulation game, but thought that Ninjas have that goofy rep created by media which is very hard to change... so they decided it would be wiser to "disguise" the Ninja simulation, and make it Assasin┬┤s Creed. So that people would take it seriously.

This thread is discussion about a possible sequel. Or the possibility to use the AC engine as basis for a Ninja Simulation, in the future.

Ninjas COULD BE made cool again. Ninjas have been ruined by Chuck Norris wearing black pantyhose. And by dozens of silly arcade games. Somebody just would have to make it right, make it Tom Clancy -realistic, make it dark and violent like Hitman and make it faithfull to historical facts. Add a fresh online gamemode based on stealth and ultra-realistic melee. Make a true Ninja game. I would f***** worship that game.

aalataur
12-29-2006, 02:08 PM
Originally posted by ninjacreed:

P.S. Thanks also to aalataur for his notes about ninjas. Just a thing.. ninjas were not "evil", they just had no "honor code" to follow, so they were free to accept every kind of task and, of course, use every mean to accomplish it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

True. But evil in that sense, that they were ruthless, no respect for anything else but money. No true loyality, no honor which was an important aspect in Japanese culture of that time. Ninjas cared only about profit and themselves, not politics or loyality. They had the skill of a samurai, but no honor of a samurai. It is said, that they were often in fact samurai, who had gone corrupt. They could have a coverup identity, officially honorable samurai, in truth, a ninja, a spy and a killer who would sell his granma for a good price.

But, there is no hard evidence of Ninjas existence. They were a secretive "criminal" inner circle type of corrupt organization, and there is a little written about them in history. Read the wikipedia URL I posted previously, it has a lot of details, some of them questionable.

aalataur
12-29-2006, 02:38 PM
BTW I hate the fact that AC is delayed to next fall! AC is easily the most interesting title so far on the next gen or on any platform in a looong time for that matter. I heard that GRAW 2 took it┬┤s place. God I hated GRAW, too futuristic, and the 3rd person ruins the online play.

Fessovsky
12-29-2006, 04:30 PM
Hi from Russia)
Sorry for my russian english.=)))

Assassins(assassin from arabic translate as "smokes hashish")were mambers of secret moslem society, who kills crusaders and other enemyes. (usually doping hash)
That is one of translations from dictionary... approximate translation in english from russian)

So the game based on historical facts. Assassins are special name of Shiites MiddleAges fanatics, they were strongly disciplined, and they have no fear to death. "Creed" because they were in religion strukture, they were on the lowest hierarchy level...))) Assassins terrors territory from Syria to Western Europe. Great story, great history...

Ninjas - also good stuff, but ninja - popular theme, assassins as real assassins - no.
Except Thif's, AssassinsCreed, as i know, is the second European Middle Ages history based stealth game...)

And if it will be so stylish as japanes stealth games like MGS it will be great!
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aalataur
12-30-2006, 09:42 AM
Anyway, as we know, AC is going to have sequels, so why not make one set in Feodal Japan. Instead of any scifi ****. I hate how the popularity of Halo has caused every frickin┬┤ game studio to add a "trendy and cool" scifi element to a game and ruin a perfectly good game. SciFi is VERY DEMANDING GENRE to do with style. In movies, it has been pulled of like couple of times. On Alien, Terminator 1&2 and Matrix. Maybe Space Odyssey 2001. Rest of the scifi movies are total bull ****. With games, few have succeeded in creating a street credible scifi world. Like, System Shock and Fallout, rest total ****.

For Example, Gears of War. The game is fun and looks great, but as scifi? It┬┤s just totally stupid macho techno nonsense, which will not be remember 5 years from now.

Also, when I heard that AC is going to have a scifi twist I almost broke down to tears. And NOT tears of joy. I felt like a mom whose child just had been taken from her. I hope scifi will be AS MINOR element AS POSSIBLE.

Wherethesnow
12-30-2006, 11:03 PM
no scifi will be a major part of the game because everything youll be doing is in the 3000th century and not gonna be happening in the 9th century bc.

the developpers wouldnt go through all that historical ****, then make sure that the game has a big scifi element in it. 98% of the time youll probably be killing people during the crusades and the other 2% is random ****.

why not ninja's creed? who the hell knows, its just not there

ninjacreed
12-31-2006, 09:49 AM
We totally agree with every single word of aalataur. He rocks! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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RetiredHatch
12-31-2006, 04:38 PM
Anyway, as we know, AC is going to have sequels, so why not make one set in Feodal Japan. Instead of any scifi ****. I hate how the popularity of Halo has caused every frickin┬┤ game studio to add a "trendy and cool" scifi element to a game and ruin a perfectly good game. SciFi is VERY DEMANDING GENRE to do with style. In movies, it has been pulled of like couple of times. On Alien, Terminator 1&2 and Matrix. Maybe Space Odyssey 2001. Rest of the scifi movies are total bull ****. With games, few have succeeded in creating a street credible scifi world. Like, System Shock and Fallout, rest total ****.

For Example, Gears of War. The game is fun and looks great, but as scifi? It┬┤s just totally stupid macho techno nonsense, which will not be remember 5 years from now.

Also, when I heard that AC is going to have a scifi twist I almost broke down to tears. And NOT tears of joy. I felt like a mom whose child just had been taken from her. I hope scifi will be AS MINOR element AS POSSIBLE.

As far as Sci-fi goes it's just a term all the journalists are using it's not actually sci-fi and a sequal to assassin's creed whether in the future or still during the crusades can't be a ninja game because it's not about ninja's now you can't change the whole game and then call it a sequal

when it comes an ACTUAL Ninja game that's alot like Assassin's Creed but in Japan and a ninja instead of an assassin that sounds like an awesome idea...

but no sequals to a game about an assassin can be about a ninja that'd be like saying assassin's creed is a prince of persia sequal it's not but it's got alot of the aspects prince of persia had with the acrobatics (however they're more realistic this time around) and it's made by the prince of persia team but it's not a prince of persia sequal it's an entirely new game with some of the old attributes added to it

Ninja's Creed is a good idea but it can't be am Assassin's Creed sequal is my point I s'pose

aalataur
01-01-2007, 11:31 AM
Thanks ninjacreed =) we seem to have similar idea about good game.

But unfortunately it is true that would be kinda odd to make Assasins Creed II and have ninjas on it. Maybe if they explain the connection somehow, like Ninjas are the predeccors of Altair & co. Anyway, it seems fake, ┬┤cos as far as we know, historical ninjas were not a noble organization, they were more like a criminal organization, who would have killed Mother Theresa for proper payment

I have no problem playing an evil character, for me it doesn┬┤t really matter as long as the action is great, but majority of gamers want to be a hero and fight for a good cause

aalataur
01-01-2007, 11:39 AM
Also true, that the term scifi is used recklessly by the media. "Real" scifi is always based on known scientific facts.

For example, Star Wars is not real scifi, because in space, you cannot steer a spaceship with wings and airfoils, because there is no materia (air, oxygen). Only way you could turn quickly with a spaceship, is having turbines on the sides too. Also, a laser would not fly as slow as in Star Wars, but go lightspeed, so it would be impossible to evade a laser. So Star Wars is a fantasy movie and a fairytale set in space, not scifi. Real scifi (as the term officially is defined) has to obey real laws of physics, like gravity and such.

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01-01-2007, 02:06 PM
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aalataur
01-01-2007, 08:21 PM
Originally posted by FableB:
With every double posting you avoid by editing, FableB gets a piece of bread...with every double post you make, FableB loses a piece of bread...Please, save FableB http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif

They are answers for 2 persons about 2 separate things thats why 2 posts

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01-01-2007, 11:21 PM
aalataur, you can combine two answers in the same post, either by using separate quotes ( example of a post that contains multiple quotes (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5251069024/m/4281002374?r=9861019815#9861019815)) , or just addressing directly the member you are replying to.
We are always asking everyone in the forums to not multiple post, and use the edit button instead.
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RetiredHatch
01-02-2007, 05:20 PM
Originally posted by aalataur:
Also true, that the term scifi is used recklessly by the media. "Real" scifi is always based on known scientific facts.

For example, Star Wars is not real scifi, because in space, you cannot steer a spaceship with wings and airfoils, because there is no materia (air, oxygen). Only way you could turn quickly with a spaceship, is having turbines on the sides too. Also, a laser would not fly as slow as in Star Wars, but go lightspeed, so it would be impossible to evade a laser. So Star Wars is a fantasy movie and a fairytale set in space, not scifi. Real scifi (as the term officially is defined) has to obey real laws of physics, like gravity and such.

I think this might be off-topic sorry http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/353.gif

Since Assassin's Creed is "Real Sci-fi" what's your problem with it? The "sci-fi" twist in Assassin's isn't going to be spaceships and star wars and star trek it's going to be pretty real stuff which i wouldn't call futuristic sci-fi stuff at all (hopefully at least)

wes4mu089
01-03-2007, 09:54 AM
I'm not saying something about ninja's would be bad. A
seamless world set in Feudal Japan would be great. But as far as the AC trilogy goes I know that part of it takes place in the crusades (The first one for sure) and one or both of the sequels take place in present day and future (The AC Conspiracies are supposed to lead up to this)

And for the record there is nothing about Ninja's that are unrealistic. The Ninja's were a real group similar to the Syrian group Hashashin. They were in Japan though. It would be great to see a Ninja game that actually tells the true story of the Ninjas. People think of Ninjas as unrealistic because all previous games made about them are very fictitous and unreal.

Also AC is far from historical. Yes it has a lot of historical aspects but most of the game itself is supposed to lead up to a false conspiracy. In other words it is fictitous. But games like this is what makes the history more exciting.

RetiredHatch
01-03-2007, 02:19 PM
Also AC is far from historical. Yes it has a lot of historical aspects but most of the game itself is supposed to lead up to a false conspiracy. In other words it is fictitous. But games like this is what makes the history more exciting.

yep

aalataur
01-03-2007, 03:13 PM
Originally posted by RetiredHatch:
I think this might be off-topic sorry http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/353.gif

Since Assassin's Creed is "Real Sci-fi" what's your problem with it? The "sci-fi" twist in Assassin's isn't going to be spaceships and star wars and star trek it's going to be pretty real stuff which i wouldn't call futuristic sci-fi stuff at all (hopefully at least)

Yep, sorry, it┬┤s off-topic. Sorry about the multiple posts too, my bad.

I was thinking about the sequels, which I fear will not be good, if they are set totally in the future. Well, they *could* be good if the future world has been really given a lot of thought, but what gives AC a lot of it┬┤s appeal is the loose historical background.

Many times in scifi we see these machinery without function, strange looking places and vehicles without explanation and function. I┬┤d hate that happening to AC franchise.

In quality scifi, EVERYTHING has an explanation, a reason, even if it is not explained directly, they devs have given it a thought. Not just "cool looking stuff". Many times in a scifi movie, the future world looks very different from ours, without a reason. For example, weapons look very strange. Why would future weapons look and function that different from present day weapons? Shooting plasma? That┬┤s not realistic at all. I don┬┤t think that in the next 1000 years assault rifles are going to shoot anything else but bullets, thus, they are going to look pretty much the same.

So, I think that a sequel about ninjas would not be bad idea, because they have that historical background support for realism. The third one could be for example about assasinations during the cold war. Play as a russian KGB hitman who is betrayed by the russian goverment would be an exotic idea.

If they could make that connection between Ninjas and Hashasins somehow. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

When a game or movie is set totally in the distant future, it┬┤s always skating on thin ice. It┬┤s hard to achieve the feel of realism in that kind of setting.

RetiredHatch
01-03-2007, 03:21 PM
i'm going to end the off-topicness now but i'm going to say that the future games aren't here yet and the "sci-fi" if you want to call it that in assassin's future intallments they'll put alot of detail in realness just like in the historical game that's assassin's now and we really shouldn't have a problem with a game looking like star wars for this assassin's game... it'll be pretty down to earth stuff i'm guessing just by how it's working out now but we really shouldn't be beating ourselves over the sci-fi twist of the future games when we haven't even seen what the first historical based game has brought to the table

aalataur
01-03-2007, 03:33 PM
Originally posted by RetiredHatch:
i'm going to end the off-topicness now but i'm going to say that the future games aren't here yet and the "sci-fi" if you want to call it that in assassin's future intallments they'll put alot of detail in realness just like in the historical game that's assassin's now and we really shouldn't have a problem with a game looking like star wars for this assassin's game... it'll be pretty down to earth stuff i'm guessing just by how it's working out now but we really shouldn't be beating ourselves over the sci-fi twist of the future games when we haven't even seen what the first historical based game has brought to the table

Well, true. Also, probably the devs already have decided what the sequels are going to be about, so kinda pointless to fantasize.

RetiredHatch
01-04-2007, 02:16 PM
ok sorry folks for that... back to the topic at hand which i have nothing to add >.> except that it sounds like a very great idea http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

jhuntowhut
01-14-2007, 03:36 PM
That would be the same as Tenchu for ps2 back in the day. itd be coo tho

PeteWyse
01-21-2007, 05:15 AM
I realise you're all arguing the point very well, and I want to point out I'm not disagreeing with anyone in particular, I'm just putting my two-penneth in =)

Ninja's were originally spies who ran, in effect, covert ops for Japanese families. They almost always worked in teams, and were highly trained at remaining hidden.

Assassins were originally a clan or guild of, in a way, trouble makers. It is from the name of their clan/guild (cant remember it, but it's got assassin in it) that the word 'assassin' comes from.

Short answer: Ninja's were japanese special-operatives, who worked in teams and stayed hidden as much as possible. Assassins were a guild of warriors who's sole role was to kill someone, alone and by whatever means possible.

On another quick point, this game looks AWESOME! and for the record, Ninja-Creed is a dumb idea. The game would involve you spending 12 hours sneaking about, listening to people and watching your 'boss' with about 1 hour of actual combat.

Without sounding too arrogant, I trained in the art of Ninjitsu for 6 years and the first thing we were taught was "if you have an escape route, run away". So a game about Ninjas would be BORING!!!

Thank you all =)

xPunxNotDeadx
01-21-2007, 04:10 PM
Firstly, I would like to commend the person who started this thread. I think a historically accurate "Ninja-sim" would be a great idea for a next-gen game. Using the assassins creed engine to create a GTA style sandbox world in feudal japan.

The word "assassin" is derived from the middle-east, somewhere between 4 - 7 A.D.
Secondly, the Ninja art of Ninjitsu is derived from the study of the Ninja, ie. the Ninjas did not study Ninjitsu, Ninjitsu is a martial art drawn from the Ninja fighting style.

The word "Ninja" is a derivation of an ancient feudal japanese word meaning "to kill without honour".
Ninja WEREN'T spies, they were assassins. After training in the conventional martial arts, a Ninja would then choose to follow a more dishonourable path in becoming a Ninja. In essence, they were the first, "guns for hire". In fact, things like garrottes, pistol crossbows, and even some poisons were first invented/discovered by the Ninjas.
Their method of operation was as follows:
Silently and stealthily infiltrate any given area until in killing range of the target, then execute the target without causing alert, then exfiltrate without being seen or heard.

"If you have an escape route, run away", is a tactic used when faced with a number of opponents that would cause risk to your ability to perform your duties, much like Altair.

The Ninja did not have families or clans, due to the feudal honour system, and often a young run-away Ninja would fake his own death to prevent the dishonour being passed to his family, or they would run their "Ninja business" as a kind of alter-ego, often having a career as a weapon smith, making it easier for them to perpare specialist weapons for themselves.

Personnaly, I would be delighted to see a "Ninja-sim" game on the market, and I would DEFINATELY be interested if it worked on the Assassins Creed engine.

LouieFrado
01-21-2007, 04:36 PM
I kind of agree with the whole Nija's Creed. But the thing that makes AC so amazing is it's run away part of the game. It is a chase, not just a sneak off kind of thing. A Nija escapes stealthly and quiet. The game might move to slow since you are really never supposed to alert the guards. And a nija has almost become to much like a Power Ranger now a-days, Altair is a new character, never seen in any movies or tv shows.

There were alot of assassinations during the Roman/Greek era. And also in the Renainssance when a king/major leaders gained to much power and became tyrannical. A Roman AC might be cool.

princeofyo
01-21-2007, 08:46 PM
I think I found a pretty good looking stealth Ninja game coming out in May for Xbox360. It's not very realistic but it still looks interesting.

http://media.xbox360.ign.com/media/772/772077/vids_1.html

Hamsterspawn
01-22-2007, 10:42 AM
The definitive answer to the question; is obviously because ninja's creed makes it sound like your entire purpose in life is to steal from your late grandmothers underwear drawer.

Jcoo
01-22-2007, 09:36 PM
Ninja's Creed sounds really...ummm...well...dumb, to be frank. Sorry if I offend anyone's ideas. Differences I can see is the obvious locations of the two, one being Japan/Oriental, the other being Western european based (for the most part). No sequel or spinoff could be made into Ninja's Creed because any related game would have to take place in the same time and location in my opinion, and the Ninja thing wouldn't work. I admit, Ninja's are kind of cool, but Assasins > Ninja's any day. The most significant difference between Ninja's and Assasins is thier guidance. Assasin's are guided by thier own consciousness of right and wrong. Ninja's are guided by spirituality, and do what is right based on what thier master tell them is right. Assasin guilds can attempt to tell its members right and wrong, but ultimately it is the individual assasin's choice. Choice. There is a word that is synonomous with good gaming nowadays. And boom, we have found the secret that lies behind Assasin's Creed! This is my proof that the Ninja game would not work in any similar sense to AC. Take it for what you will. I am excited for AC, but I would not take a second glance at any game with Ninja in the title, to be honest. So cliche.

JN006
01-22-2007, 09:42 PM
There are many civilisation in the history that would be great for a "GAMES" Creed! I think that the Japanese and Chiness ones are one of these. I, personnaly love tenchu and just imagine the engine running this type of game! WOW!

But, you're might be right! Nothing's really original in the whole Ninja stuff though!

Asmodai1988
01-27-2007, 09:32 AM
I prefer Assassin because they are a lot of cooler than some ancient ninjas.

Cryasmere
02-01-2007, 07:57 AM
hmph. its almost gaming style blaphsemy. replacing Altaiir with a ninja. pssh.

eroth1
02-03-2007, 11:59 PM
Ummmmm btw isn't a ninja's job to assassinate people?

RetiredHatch
02-04-2007, 11:02 AM
Originally posted by PeteWyse:

On another quick point, this game looks AWESOME! and for the record, Ninja-Creed is a dumb idea. The game would involve you spending 12 hours sneaking about, listening to people and watching your 'boss' with about 1 hour of actual combat.

Without sounding too arrogant, I trained in the art of Ninjitsu for 6 years and the first thing we were taught was "if you have an escape route, run away". So a game about Ninjas would be BORING!!!

Thank you all =)

Funny cause that's how this game is going to play

dukejinx
02-04-2007, 12:15 PM
Okay wow seriously, had to make an account just because of this Thread. Ninja's are friggin' Asian, oriental THIEVES and hired hitmen. Hired, generally for political influence/status/reasons. Assassin's are more than just a hired hitman, they do what they do because they believe in what they are doing, not just for the coin.

chewie1890
02-04-2007, 02:39 PM
Originally posted by dukejinx:
Okay wow seriously, had to make an account just because of this Thread. Ninja's are friggin' Asian, oriental THIEVES and hired hitmen. Hired, generally for political influence/status/reasons. Assassin's are more than just a hired hitman, they do what they do because they believe in what they are doing, not just for the coin.

Ignoring the idiocy in your post, believing in something doesn't make it right. I could become a hitman who kills people for money, just because I believe what im doing is right doesn't make it right. Its still murder.

noobfun
02-05-2007, 09:44 AM
Originally posted by dukejinx:
Okay wow seriously, had to make an account just because of this Thread. Ninja's are friggin' Asian, oriental THIEVES and hired hitmen. Hired, generally for political influence/status/reasons. Assassin's are more than just a hired hitman, they do what they do because they believe in what they are doing, not just for the coin.

nizari killed for what they believed in, it was a way of keeping thier small states safe from the larger muslim states that wanted them destroyed (your a nizari not an hashasshin thats an insult term)

and ninja were spys/assassins not thieves that come from japan (please dont say oriental cause thats a whole large area of which japan is a tiny tiny part and makes you sound dumb)

also what was considered a successful mission is very different for ninja it was get in kill the target and escape safely

for nizari get in kill the target after that it doesnt matter if your killed, dying assured you a place in heaven suicide didnt but if you did escape thats ok too. most nizari were captured and or killed following an assassination

also ninja prefered stealth the less your seen or heard the safer you are nizari did it publically the bigger the crowd the better they also spent years in service as advisors and teachers to possible targets often finding a nizari dagger on your pillow when you woke up was enough to get people thinking your way

the free moment would be good but it would be more splintercell ish hiding and sneaking around then hiding in plain sight and using the crowd dynamics which is a massive key feature of creed

AltairKatzimo
02-05-2007, 10:31 AM
you dont happened to have seen " the last samurai " ? =)

RetiredHatch
02-05-2007, 02:12 PM
i haven't seen the last samurai movie so i might be a little biased when i say this if there were actually ninjas in that movie x.x

but.... samurai's are way different than ninjas

Maximus1170
02-05-2007, 02:22 PM
About the last samuria. The title is the whole movie, all the samurai is killed but one. by not seeing it, you didnt miss much.

If NC was to be made it would be a feudal age Japan Splinter Cell. There would be assassinations, sneaking, and the like, but it would be based more around lihting stealth opposed to the social stealth in AC.

im not against NC being made, but i wouldnt buy it until hell froze over.

RetiredHatch
02-05-2007, 02:24 PM
Samurai's are still different than ninja's though http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Maximus1170
02-05-2007, 02:35 PM
of course

DNPullen
02-06-2007, 01:46 PM
If there were ninjas then it would quickly turn into a crazy hack n slash game. not good http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

chewie1890
02-06-2007, 03:16 PM
Originally posted by DNPullen:
If there were ninjas then it would quickly turn into a crazy hack n slash game. not good http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

If the game was made correctly it wouldn't.

RetiredHatch
02-06-2007, 03:43 PM
The point of this idea is to make a game with ninjas that has the same format as the game Assassin's Creed it is not saying put ninjas in the sequal of Assassin's Creed nor is it saying put ninjas in Assassin's Creed so stop saying weird stupid stuff like that it's pointless because it's been said countless time that that is not what they're asking for

WildDog9
02-06-2007, 05:12 PM
Wow, I'm late. Just never responded to this yet. Anyway, Ninja game with this gameplay would be awesome (control and parkour wise). Good thinking.

GoldenHawk442
02-06-2007, 07:02 PM
Ubisoft won't call it Ninja's Creed, because Altair is part of an assassin's sect called Hashashin http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

noobfun
02-07-2007, 06:32 AM
Originally posted by GoldenHawk442:
Ubisoft won't call it Ninja's Creed, because Altair is part of an assassin's sect called Hashashin http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

no he isnt http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

he's part of the nizari sect an off shoot from ishma'ili muslims

history you gotta love it

games4lifefreak
02-07-2007, 09:33 AM
There isn't much known on Ninjas, regardless of what you said; there are rumours that there are still Ninjas today, but these are just rumours. Assassins, however, had a much more influential and political role during the Crusades, and thus much more information has been released on them.

Ninjas, however, were of a much more secretive nature and truly precise and accurate information would be difficult, if not impossible to find; at least, not enough to realistically create an environment thriving with historic values such as AC does.

noobfun
02-07-2007, 12:21 PM
hummm we probabily know more about ninja then the nizari of the 12 century

most literature written by the nizari was destroyed by the mongels, so most of the information we had until recently were written by muslim scholars that were enemies of the nizari state

or writings by westerners that gave us the drug crazed suicidal lunatics bent on destroying everything for the fun of it

not sure but i beleive we have many period texts from japan, bujinko (also known as ninjitsu) is still around today and focuses as much on weapons as unarmed combat also climbing swimming and survival plays as much a part of it as hitting someone

of course we still have the myths surrounding them and thier antics, but 80's and early 90's cinemas would have been terrible if not for all the ninja films exploiting those myths

RetiredHatch
02-07-2007, 03:25 PM
If anything we know just as much about ninja's as we know about Assassin's



Originally posted by GoldenHawk442:
Ubisoft won't call it Ninja's Creed, because Altair is part of an assassin's sect called Hashashin http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

As for you look up about two posts

chewie1890
02-08-2007, 05:19 PM
I'm starting to think its necessary for us to restate everything at the top of each page so noobies won't come in and say the same thing over and over...

RetiredHatch
02-08-2007, 06:34 PM
Originally posted by chewie1890:
I'm starting to think its necessary for us to restate everything at the top of each page so noobies won't come in and say the same thing over and over...

That seems to be the case...
but two posts back is just bad -_-

noobfun
02-09-2007, 07:46 AM
im starting to think making a word document with " they are not hashassin you dumb *** they are nizari and no the didnt crossbow people from another city and no it wouldnt be cool" and a few historical facts so i can just cut and paste them instead of re-writting it every time because ppl only read the last page and talk the same junk as 2 pages ago

WildDog9
02-09-2007, 09:30 AM
no the didnt crossbow people from another city and no it wouldnt be cool
That didn't make any sense.

Hamsterspawn
02-09-2007, 09:59 AM
You know, i don't know about anyone else, but when i think of a ninja i think of *Bo**ocks*. Like women, in very tight leather, from all that rubbish in the eastern empire, backflipping and zip lining their way to pwn people in the face and buggering off by flying around for ridiculously long times with their mass of equipment - all nimble and stuffs. Oh, and their mouths do not move in co-ordination with their speech.

With the word assasin I think slightly more English/Crusade style, slightly bulkier built people with whatever equipment they have - probably sticking to the shadows - Maybe not even working at night time. More of a thief with a purpose to kill than something out of crouching tiger non hidden bull****. Yeah. Like the SAS of the day :P.

Like the setting by the way.

This guy sounds like a cannabis dealer... Get it :P?

(You who are about to reply, yes, you. Dont **** or flame - ******bag :P.)

noobfun
02-09-2007, 10:11 AM
Originally posted by WildDog9:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">no the didnt crossbow people from another city and no it wouldnt be cool
That didn't make any sense. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

missed the y from they, and hints at the nemourous posts about it would be so cool if i could snipe with cross bow, set people alight, have a pointy helmet to headbutt people to death etc

noobfun
02-09-2007, 10:16 AM
Originally posted by Hamsterspawn:
backflipping and zip lining their way to pwn people in the face and buggering off by flying around for ridiculously long times with their mass of equipment - all nimble and stuffs. Oh, and their mouths do not move in co-ordination with their speech.

With the word assasin I think slightly more English/Crusade style, slightly bulkier built people with whatever equipment they have - probably sticking to the shadows - Maybe not even working at night time. More of a thief with a purpose to kill than something out of crouching tiger non hidden bull****. Yeah. Like the SAS of the day :P.



lol theres the 80's/90's ninja films i mentioned (crouching tiger was set in china not japan)

nizari didnt skulk about in shadows they walked up stabbed you in a crowded place and possibly enjoyed every second of it, they didnt worry about equipment the dagger to stab them and a pair of legs to walk up to them was enough

chewie1890
02-09-2007, 07:14 PM
Originally posted by Hamsterspawn:
You know, i don't know about anyone else, but when i think of a ninja i think of *Bo**ocks*. Like women, in very tight leather, from all that rubbish in the eastern empire, backflipping and zip lining their way to pwn people in the face and buggering off by flying around for ridiculously long times with their mass of equipment - all nimble and stuffs. Oh, and their mouths do not move in co-ordination with their speech.

With the word assasin I think slightly more English/Crusade style, slightly bulkier built people with whatever equipment they have - probably sticking to the shadows - Maybe not even working at night time. More of a thief with a purpose to kill than something out of crouching tiger non hidden bull****. Yeah. Like the SAS of the day :P.

Like the setting by the way.

This guy sounds like a cannabis dealer... Get it :P?

(You who are about to reply, yes, you. Dont **** or flame - ******bag :P.)


Originally posted by chewie1890:
I'm starting to think its necessary for us to restate everything at the top of each page so noobies won't come in and say the same thing over and over...

Need I say more?

EA5c00ter91
03-05-2007, 09:52 AM
Do u really wont to no y because it sounds gay and no one would buy it u complete retared!!!!

BlueDevilDuck
03-05-2007, 07:23 PM
Ninjacreed

I think a Ninja game where you actually used stealth like AC or Thief would be great.

Definitions of Ninja on the Web:

* Stealth. A feudal Japanese group of spies and assassins.

A ninja is just an assassin or spy. To have a game as great looking as AC is shaping up to be, but set in Feudal Japan? I'm in.

Grand_aigfl
03-07-2007, 12:38 PM
so why not ninjas creed
because assassins were never before used and to do a sequel about ninjas wouldn't be a so good idea since everybody knows what ninjas are like, everybody has got a picture of that, if I ask you about the crusade time, what do you know?
not much, because you do not find this part of history in video games simply because of those sorts of speech you are having, "we know and like ninjas because they are cool so we want games with ninjas"
and the same goes for samurais, space opera and heroic fantasy,
so for once, a game without all that, with historical facts and setting,
and you want ninjas!!!!!
think about it and I'll think you will come to see that a sequel with ninjas isn't a so great idea...
better a sequel again in this virgin world
Crusades...

RetiredHatch
03-07-2007, 03:03 PM
NOBODY said sequal

Agent_Alpha
03-07-2007, 07:42 PM
Serriously, why do people keep assuming we're talking about "Assassins' Creed 2: This time, we're NINJA!"

We're talking about game SIMILAR to AC, but in it's own vein, set in feudal Japan instead of Crusade-era Middle East, and with Ninja, instead of Hashashin

RetiredHatch
03-07-2007, 08:06 PM
Kinda like heavenly sword did with God of War it looks exactly like God of War but it isn't the sequal is it?

xasspenx
03-08-2007, 02:55 PM
"Why not 'Ninja's Creed'?" That title doesn't fit with the crusades because they are not set in the far east. This game is set in the Middle East, where ninjas are called assassins http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif
I think ninja's creed would some how interfeer with copyrights to assassin's creed since the titles are almost exact and the ideas as well. The idea/title is pretty cool though. Then again, it will interfer with the same idea as Assassin's Creed which is bad to the company but cool to the cumsumer. It could happen though.


PS what ever happend to correct english in here? It's as if everyone is white trash. Stay in school and don't come out until you know english!

RetiredHatch
03-08-2007, 05:50 PM
Not saying change the title to Ninja's Creed saying make a similar game... -_- that doesnt hae the title Ninja's Creed either just similar to Assassin's Creed again Heavenly Sword is basically a copy of God of War but it isn't the same game nor by the same company and nothing about it is the same that doesn't have to do with gameplay itself

Agent_Alpha
03-08-2007, 06:03 PM
I really want to know what is so hard to understand about this concept that so many people here misunderstand

RetiredHatch
03-08-2007, 07:34 PM
me too

it really is a good idea... if they can learn to grasp the concept...

chewie1890
03-08-2007, 08:10 PM
Originally posted by chewie1890:
I'm starting to think its necessary for us to restate everything at the top of each page so noobies won't come in and say the same thing over and over...

Its kind of sad when I have to quote myself, and other people take my idea and say it themselves...

[That last part was a joke.]

zoozilla
03-08-2007, 08:37 PM
Why does it have to be similar to AC? I think Ubisoft would make a great game from scratch just on the concept of the Ninja. It would be a great way for them to prove even more that they are the masters of stealth gaming.

chewie1890
03-09-2007, 05:38 PM
Originally posted by zoozilla:
Why does it have to be similar to AC? I think Ubisoft would make a great game from scratch just on the concept of the Ninja. It would be a great way for them to prove even more that they are the masters of stealth gaming.

That's actually a good point. I think they might want to make it similar to Assassins Creed so they could already have the engine set up and not need to make one from scratch. But having it made from scratch could leave room for some interesting new add-ons.

Froglette
03-11-2007, 11:58 PM
its simple
Ninjas are cowards. Assassins do as they please with no bountries.


Ninja- attack at night and long range.
Assassin- anytime and surprise.

Nluamian
03-12-2007, 04:19 PM
I think that an Assassin's creed game based on ninja would be a great idea.

also, Froglette, Ninja wern't cowards and were more skilled than general assassins. not only were they assassin's they were spies and saboteurs. also Ninja didn't always attack from long range. they were skilled in many different melee weapons and poisons and would mainly focus on suprise attacks.

chewie1890
03-12-2007, 07:42 PM
Originally posted by Froglette:
its simple
Ninjas are cowards. Assassins do as they please with no bountries.


Ninja- attack at night and long range.
Assassin- anytime and surprise.

Apparently you have never been to Real Ultimate Power. (http://www.realultimatepower.net) Just kidding. But really the Assassins didn't just go around ruining people. They had targets that they had to kill and after that I assume they laid low till they had a new target.

Larinan
03-12-2007, 11:07 PM
Next thing you know it will be "Pirates of the Creedabean."

noobfun
03-13-2007, 01:29 AM
Originally posted by Froglette:
its simple
Ninjas are cowards. Assassins do as they please with no bountries.


Ninja- attack at night and long range.
Assassin- anytime and surprise.

umm try the other way around, assassins attacked mainly on a friday afternoon at the end of prayers outside a mosque

ninja attacked pretty much anytimne they could, they used ambushes, or stealth to get close to opponents.

ninja used ranged weapons becasue all they were required to do was kill the target by any means bows, poison, swords anything that killed was fair game

assassins used a dagger because it needed to be up close and personal so every one knew it was a nizari doing it and so generated fear of attacking nizari settlements

ninja trained to attack multiple opponents if neccessary to reach the target

assassins just walked up in the crowd leaving the mosque

ninjas considered surviving the mission an essential part of the mission

80% of assassins died or were captured after a kill, many just stood there waiting to be captured, again they get to show nizari dont care and dont mess with them

so umm yeah ninjas are wimps and assassins are just some guy with a dagger

i must be having a de'javou sure ive said this before - cue chewie's post on page 11 near the bottom of the page

Gguy22
03-14-2007, 10:43 AM
Ninjacreed isn't a bad idea, but it's not original... Tenchu anyone?

noobfun
03-14-2007, 02:01 PM
Originally posted by Gguy22:
Ninjacreed isn't a bad idea, but it's not original... Tenchu anyone?

god yes please loved the first one spent way to many months of life on that

pushing for the perfect unspotted levels

kill only the boss
killing everything that moved

ive still got the sound track and listen to it now and again lol ... christ im trajik some times lol

chewie1890
03-14-2007, 04:00 PM
Originally posted by noobfun:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Froglette:
its simple
Ninjas are cowards. Assassins do as they please with no bountries.


Ninja- attack at night and long range.
Assassin- anytime and surprise.

umm try the other way around, assassins attacked mainly on a friday afternoon at the end of prayers outside a mosque

ninja attacked pretty much anytimne they could, they used ambushes, or stealth to get close to opponents.

ninja used ranged weapons becasue all they were required to do was kill the target by any means bows, poison, swords anything that killed was fair game

assassins used a dagger because it needed to be up close and personal so every one knew it was a nizari doing it and so generated fear of attacking nizari settlements

ninja trained to attack multiple opponents if neccessary to reach the target

assassins just walked up in the crowd leaving the mosque

ninjas considered surviving the mission an essential part of the mission

80% of assassins died or were captured after a kill, many just stood there waiting to be captured, again they get to show nizari dont care and dont mess with them

so umm yeah ninjas are wimps and assassins are just some guy with a dagger

i must be having a de'javou sure ive said this before - cue chewie's post on page 11 near the bottom of the page </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You and I should be allowed to smite these people...

noobfun
03-14-2007, 04:08 PM
Originally posted by chewie1890:

You and I should be allowed to smite these people...

lmao be to quiet around here if we did that bro

not sayin that bieng given a list of names addresses and a shooty out wrist dagger wouldnt be fun though

RetiredHatch
03-14-2007, 04:21 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif i'm scared >.<

Agent_Alpha
03-14-2007, 06:51 PM
Originally posted by chewie1890:
You and I should be allowed to smite these people...

I'll join you