300-A SAM SYSTEM IN IRAN

[XyZspineZyX]

Its been reported that the 300-A SAM SYSTEM has been sold to Iran by the Russian Government to defend their nuke plants. Aside from the dubious politics of such a sale it will be interesting to see if the Israelis can still take it, it being the Nuke Reactor, out like they are threatening to do. From our experiences in Su-27 this weapons system is near unbeatable.

How does one go about taking out a 300-A?

PAPADOC

[XyZspineZyX]

Its been reported that the 300-A SAM SYSTEM has been sold to Iran by the Russian Government to defend their nuke plants. Aside from the dubious politics of such a sale it will be interesting to see if the Israelis can still take it, it being the Nuke Reactor, out like they are threatening to do. From our experiences in Su-27 this weapons system is near unbeatable.

How does one go about taking out a 300-A?

PAPADOC

[XyZspineZyX]

in the immortal words of Cpl. Dwayne Hicks: I say we take off, nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

[XyZspineZyX]

If it's as deadly as it's simulated cousin, they'll have fun. You've actually asked a very interesting question there.

However, Flanker was always an 'ideal conditions' sim, and even some of the early generation kit (Buk,Kub) is very effective in the game; I'm sure you've many fond memories of one unit knocking out an entire AI assault in under a minute.

What you do not witness in Flanker 2.51 (and I think LOMAC will be better in this respect, when the S-300 works) is any kind of degradation of radar performance. Simply, in the simulator, it's always perfect. The target will never break lock, Chaff's effect is very small (I used to wonder if it worked at all!) and the system always guides perfectly.

However, at least 2.51 offered some relief; S-300's were very, very easy to kill with the KH-31p. They wouldn't try and shoot the missile down, unlike 1.5 /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

[XyZspineZyX]

How does one go about taking out a 300-A? = f-117

[XyZspineZyX]

Even better---


Special forces and a few blocks of C4.

[XyZspineZyX]

Dont ever underestimate the Isreali's. Ever!

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[XyZspineZyX]

PAPADOC_Pink wrote:
- their nuke plants. Aside from the dubious politics
- of such a sale it will be interesting to see if the
- Israelis can still take it, it being the Nuke
- Reactor, out like they are threatening to do. From
- our experiences in Su-27 this weapons system is near
- unbeatable.

Appart from you considering a sell of a weapon system dubbious, what have Israel to do with the reactor?

Or you actually don't know the fact that Israel bombed the Osirak site based on information from Iran witch actually bombed the laboratory close to the site. From where did thought that Israel got the infos.during Persian Gulf War,Israel actually helped Iran to mantain the F4 fleet of IRIAF. Apart from , balistic missile attack, I doubt that any country( except US steath forces) could pass the F14 and HAWK barrier around the Iranian reactor.

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[XyZspineZyX]

heh, go squeeling to the americans for help brandishing your blood money /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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[XyZspineZyX]

Well now allies are allies until they are not allies, then they are enemies. Much the same exists now between Israel and Iran. But this is politics and not the perview of my question.

- tomcat1974 wrote:
- Appart from you considering a sell of a weapon
- system dubbious, what have Israel to do with the
- reactor?

Thats fairly obvious and so I wont answer it. Muslims and jews get along like Oil and Water....is enough said.

- Or you actually don't know the fact that Israel
- bombed the Osirak site based on information from
- Iran witch actually bombed the laboratory close to
- the site.

Who doesnt know about the Attack on the Osirak reactor...? Thats not the point except to show that they are quite able in carrying out that sort of attack.

Yea for a brief moment their interests dovetailed and they helped each other. After which problems began. Much the same way that we allied with the Soviets in WW2 even though directly afterwards we were mortal enemies. Its the way of the world, the enemy of my enemy is my friend when my enemy is stronger than I am.

- From where did thought that Israel got the
- infos.during Persian Gulf War,Israel actually helped
- Iran to mantain the F4 fleet of IRIAF. Apart from ,
- balistic missile attack, I doubt that any country(
- except US steath forces) could pass the F14 and HAWK
- barrier around the Iranian reactor.

The Hawk Barrier is much less formidable than the 300-A SAM system if our simulators are to be believed.
The F-14's that Iran posseses wouldnt be much more than a target for the F-15's of Israel. It will be interesting to see how its done. Because it will be done sometime prior to the successful detonation of an Iranian nuke.

To those who suggested a SPEC FORCES operation, I believe that was tried prior the the bombing of the Osirack reactor by Israel but failed.

PAPADOC

[XyZspineZyX]

I suppose it will come down to the resilience of the S-300 system to anti-radiation missile attack. There's no particular reason (hypothetically speaking) that this could not be achieved by a well-trained attacking force.

Consider the following ideas:

I) The Iranian air force, assuming it is alerted and manages to get aircraft in engagement range, is not likely to be much of a threat. As Papadoc stated, they're outgunned immediately by anything carrying an AMRAAM. The F14's are unlikely to be in flying condition, and even then it's doubtful that they can still deploy AIM-54's.

II) An S-300, formidable though it is, is still vulnerable, unless it can engage HARM's; according to FAS anything moving up to 10,000Km/H (6,250mph!) can be engaged, although I would speculate a target the size of a HARM would not reflect sufficient radar energy until well inside the S-300's engagement range.

III) Short-Medium range equipment could prove far more dangerous to such an attack. In the Falklands Conflict, the Sea-Wolf system (and this was 1982) was able to engage targets well within visual range, moving at high-speed, in and out of terrain, which had got within the long-range Sea-dart system. Such was the sensitivity of the kit, a nearby vessel had to suspend firing it's 4.5 inch gun, as the shells were appearing as valid tracks on the seawolf search radar. Such equivalent systems (the TOR being an outstanding example) could make delivering ordinance extremely dangerous.

Of course, all of the above is for nought if the crews are poorly trained.

[XyZspineZyX]

It is not the problem, with locking the HARM, but i don't think that the harm has the range to engage safelly the S300. Last i checked the S300 has almost double the range of the harm. But you guys probably miss the point. Israel does employ Harpy i think. Hunter killer UAV created to destroy the SAM sites.

About F14, Iran managed to manatain its fleet of F14 so it is suspected that at least 20-25 are in operation with other in storage.

One thing, Israel might be capable to hit Iraq(F16 where at the limit of their range), but i don't know if they have the range to hit Iran.

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[DayGlow]

Isn't there a F2.5 track of a guy taking out a S-300 with rockets?

In RL I imagine if the Western forces know the position of the SAM system they would launch a cruise missile attack with the cruise missiles outnumbering the amount of sams being able to launch by atleast 3 to 1. I don't think it would be out of the scope of Western forces to spend 30+ cruise missiles vs a theater wide SAM system like that.

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First - there is no such thing as S-300A
There are S-300P,PM,PMS-1 and-2 (Favorit)
And S-300V and Antey-2500

Usualy (in russian air-defence) each S-300 division is protected by some Tunguska or TOR complexes from cruise missiles and HARMs. And it is equiped with some false emmiters

There were also some talk about secret EM-devices that could be placed on the routes to the S-300 radars, which are capable of jamming or even shut all the ellectronic equipemt of the attacking plane

The only way to beat S-300 (especialy newer variants) is very low flight+ A LOT of jamming + very good luck

[XyZspineZyX]

everyone talks about sending in SEAL and elite teams... I wouldn't be paradropping elite soldiers into a zone filled with hightech SAM setups /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif i know its against the geneva convention but using missiles against people is too hard to resist....

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[XyZspineZyX]

I haven't seen the track, but I can certainly believe it. In the sim, it's not too hard to get within the minimum engagement range - as long as there are no point defences! You can then fly around it at 300 metres staring at it saying "ha haaa!"

All you need to do is dive until the RWR beep dies off. You'll need to go progressively lower as you get closer, but no lower than 20 metres at the most. If you fly slowly, this is simple enough with practice, and quite good fun!


DayGlow wrote:
- Isn't there a F2.5 track of a guy taking out a S-300
- with rockets?
-
- In RL I imagine if the Western forces know the
- position of the SAM system they would launch a
- cruise missile attack with the cruise missiles
- outnumbering the amount of sams being able to launch
- by atleast 3 to 1. I don't think it would be out of
- the scope of Western forces to spend 30+ cruise
- missiles vs a theater wide SAM system like that.
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Isn't there some sort of EM weapon that could take it out?

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