Saving Private Ryan

[Hartsock1982]

this is one of my favorite movies and i bet u have all seen it before but i noticed some historical mistakes. the first one is one the landing at omaha. those wooden ramp obstacles the germans placed on shore go upward towards the channel. in real life they faced towards the beachead. whats even weirder is that some of the obstacles are correct! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

this was discused a long time ago but isnt the "flash thunder code" backwards. im not sure about that so correct me if im wrong.

lastly, at the end of the movie when tom hanks and the squad are against a german assault alongside tiger tanks,the tanks can easily be noticed if u have a sharp eye. those tanks are t-34s just with a tiger tank body.u will notice that the wheel on the tracks are not interlocking as tiger tanks. there probably are more mistakes...

[hartsox]

well, for one the movie sux, two the flash then thunder is correct

the challenge was flash, then thunder and they used many others

and the tanks just prove how sucky this sucky movie sux.

[Krookie]

Also, the planes that destroy the tank at the end are Mustangs. But those planes were high altitude flyers, and probably wouldn't have been able to do that.

[hartsox]

yes they would have, watch the history channel in june and you'll find that out

[Hartsock1982]

i thought it was correct with thunder flash in the movie but in moh:aa they say it backwards. i thought it might be incorrect in spr because spr and moh are so similiar. the planes and the end is also another mistake i found too on the internet.

[Dori1234]

woop do freeking do.

as long as i see germans getting blown across the screen by hand thrown mortars im not complaining

[hartsox]

any 1 notice it's an anti-war movie? everyone dies and nothing is acomplished, boo freaking hoo

[Raccoon_2]

Rangers and Paratroopers used the thunder-flash code differently from eachother.

There are also some French words spelled incorrectly... stupid huh?

And worst of all is that Cpt. Miller wears a uniform of the 101st in a certain scene http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

[alexander_kista]

What? What scene? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

[Dori1234]

In no way can saving private ryan be anti-war. Everyone supported WWII it was a war against common evil and everyone pitched in. Maby pasifcist's didnt support it but a VERY SMALL number didn't

[hartsox]

uh, everyone dies, nothing good is accomplished, and people get sad, *coughs* anti-war

[shameful_larva]

Originally posted by hartsox:
uh, everyone dies, nothing good is accomplished, and people get sad, *coughs* anti-war

How is a tribute to those that bravely fought (and some) bravely died for our freedom, an anti-war film. You may not like it, but SPR showed what war is really like, and I for one think that Speilberg did a phenominal job on the movie. So if you don't like the movie, ok, but don't spread left-wing (?) propaganda around the forums!

[gill.g]

if you want to know anything about the details regarding saving private ryan's authenticity or anything you just want to know about this movie then go to this website:
www.sproe.com (http://www.sproe.com)

[Hartsock1982]

how could spr be anti-war? thats almost as silly as the rumor that super mario bros. contains a secret message of commie propoganda!

heres the link if u dont believe me!The rumor...omg! (http://aethiamud.org/communist_mario/) http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/353.gif

[sgt.scream]

My gosh, the humanity! Mario is Joseph Stalin!

[hartsox]

propaganda? no i dont think so, and i let you know when i figure out what the heck the left wing thingy is, i hate polotics, im sorry if i insulted you, i have family that served in WW2, im glad people are paying tribute to them, but this is just my opinion on ONE movie. i dont mean an offensivness(is that a word?)

[shameful_larva]

Originally posted by hartsox:
propaganda? no i dont think so, and i let you know when i figure out what the heck the left wing thingy is, i hate polotics, im sorry if i insulted you, i have family that served in WW2, im glad people are paying tribute to them, but this is just my opinion on ONE movie. i dont mean an offensivness(is that a word?)

Just a short-cut to help you figure out the left wingy thing ( http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif ). Left wing (democrats) are usually against all war, no matter how small or large (at least now). They think it's a waste of time and lives and no matter how much the cause is proven to be good or better, they just can't accept that now, war is the only means of making peace (as you can see, im 'right wing').

[hartsox]

oh, hey wait, i aint no lefty, im all for goin in and beatin the **** outa some creepy dictator in the name of freedom, i just thought it was kinda anti-war,but actually, now that i think it wasnt, war was bloody, lots of people died,ok when ur right ur right

[Mozzerman]

Originally posted by shameful_larva:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by hartsox:
propaganda? no i dont think so, and i let you know when i figure out what the heck the left wing thingy is, i hate polotics, im sorry if i insulted you, i have family that served in WW2, im glad people are paying tribute to them, but this is just my opinion on ONE movie. i dont mean an offensivness(is that a word?)

Just a short-cut to help you figure out the left wingy thing ( http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif ). Left wing (democrats) are usually against all war, no matter how small or large (at least now). They think it's a waste of time and lives and no matter how much the cause is proven to be good or better, they just can't accept that now, war is the only means of making peace (as you can see, im 'right wing'). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I wouldn't say that about all liberals. I'm a pretty liberal kinda guy and I'm very sure I would have been one of the first people to sign up during WW2 (too bad I have hypothyroidism, I hate desk jobs). Although, I did think SPR did shine a light on how down-right sh***y war can be.

My grandfather's uncle wrote many letters during his service. He was in an armored division and every letter he sent from Normandy said "I want to go home" (sometimes it's all that was written). Near St. Lo an 88 incinerated him. When it comes to saving the world someone has to suffer.

[shameful_larva]

Originally posted by Mozzerman:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by shameful_larva:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by hartsox:
propaganda? no i dont think so, and i let you know when i figure out what the heck the left wing thingy is, i hate polotics, im sorry if i insulted you, i have family that served in WW2, im glad people are paying tribute to them, but this is just my opinion on ONE movie. i dont mean an offensivness(is that a word?)

Just a short-cut to help you figure out the left wingy thing ( http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif ). Left wing (democrats) are usually against all war, no matter how small or large (at least now). They think it's a waste of time and lives and no matter how much the cause is proven to be good or better, they just can't accept that now, war is the only means of making peace (as you can see, im 'right wing'). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I wouldn't say that about all liberals. I'm a pretty liberal kinda guy and I'm very sure I would have been one of the first people to sign up during WW2 (too bad I have hypothyroidism, I hate desk jobs). Although, I did think SPR did shine a light on how down-right sh***y war can be.

My grandfather's uncle wrote many letters during his service. He was in an armored division and every letter he sent from Normandy said "I want to go home" (sometimes it's all that was written). Near St. Lo an 88 incinerated him. When it comes to saving the world someone has to suffer. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

What I meant was modern Liberals, I don't mean to be really harsh on them, but ever since Vietnam, liberals running for office/enthusiasts (michael moore is liberal, but he's leaning toward commie) seem to be sissies and morons (mayor Daley of Chicago is liberal, and he spent a ton of OUR tax money on a giant metal bean http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif ). I might be over-enforcing my opinion, bu I really think liberals are causing this country to take a bad turn (weapons ban-need I go further?). Now let's stop the politics discussion and get back to SPR!

[BlueHawk_1]

I don't think it's very fair to the movie when it wasn't intended to be 100% accurate.

[Thirty_cal.30]

I think we can all look past the minor historical inaccuracies of SPR and focus on its message.
Everyone is antiwar. No one likes the death, destruction, bloodshed, and heart break of war. But war is sometimes is the only option. War is the only road to peace. Thats why the Bible speaks of the final BATTLE between good and evil. Not the final armistice between good and evil. Peace is not achieved by sticking flowers in the barrels of the nazis and the talibans guns. It is achieved by killing your enemy. The only way for good to triumph is to elimante evil where it grows, cut its head off, rip it out at the roots. Good and evil cannont co exist in this world. The only way for this world to live in peace is to rid the earth of all evil, for good to go in and take out the bad guys, not go in and shake hands with em. thats why armistices, peace treaties, sanctions never work. If you ever come to an agreement with evil then you haven't achieved peace, you've simply put the problem of evil into a little box, and you will continue to fill that box untill one day you try to top it off and it overfills and everything comes bursting out it! No one likes war, but we know that there is sometimes no other option.

Before Pearl Harbor Americans didn't want to go to war with the Axis powers, but after they new that it was no longer an option. It was either go and fight the enemy or lose your home, your land, your family, and your freedom.

Freedom is not obtained by one single fight. We don't just fight for freedom, get it, then live happily ever after. We not only fight to obtain it we must constantly fight to keep it. because they're those on this earth who wish to take it.

In SPR, stevey shows how horrific war is. When you watch that movie and you see all the dead soldiers, the legs getting blown off, the guts hanging out, you see war for what it really is. it is important to show war in a brutal uncensored manner, because war is hell. But movies like SPR show graphic war scences to show you exactly what these men went through so you fully understand and are therefore more apprieciative of their sacrific. They show the truth, which is, in my opinion the greatest thanks we can give to fallen G.I.s. You are more thankful to the veterans of war when you have a full understanding of their experiences.

So yes in my opinion the only movies that aren't antiwar are the rambo series.

SPR is antiwar but is a tribute to the veterans of ww2. Antiwar doesn't mean spitting on soldiers, thats anti soldier and morally wrong and should be counted as treason.

SPR expresses that these men are real heroes. People say that Micheal Jordan is their hero, cause he's good at B-ball, or some other celebrity. when infact the real heroes, the men I look up to and admire, the men i have posters of, and books on, the men who I'd rather have an autograph from anyday than Adam Sandler(who I hate), are the often overlooked veterans and current soldiers serving their country.

SPR expresses that these men went not because they wanted to kill kids their own age, not because war was fun, not because the wanted to. But because they had to. They new that in order to ensure the safety of future generations and to preserve the wonderful gift that is America they had to fight. They did it because they new that it was their job and their duty. They didn't fight and die for America, they fought and died for you and me. They died for men who they didn't know, who were complete strangers, who hadn't been born yet.

In the last few minutes of SPR the old man (Ryan) says he hopes he earned what the soldiers did for him, gave their lives. and the final moments show the countless grave crosses which fade into the image of old glory. This is to show that behind that flag lie the countless souls who have died to protect it and what it stands for.

Our flag is not just a piece of cloth, its a symbol, of freedom and of the courage of the men who died in the name of it. If you own SPR on DVD, then watch the bonus features about what steven spilberg has to say and his reasons and motives for making the film, then you'll see. My message: Hate war, but love and apprieciate the American soldier.

It is so important to lead a good life, a meaningful one. Don't chose to not vote, not own a gun. Don't chose not to go to school, work at something better than McDonalds. Take advantage of all the oppertunities this country has to offer. Don't let their death be in vein. Don't take their sacrifice for granted by smoking pot, not staying in school, not voting, not striving towards any goals higher than becoming a cashier. Other countries don't have the oppertunities that we do, so sieze those oppertunities, for the soldiers fought and died to ensure you were given them. because when you take them for granted and don't take advantage of it being the best man you can be, by living up to your full potential, by leading a dishonest and morally wrong life; then you're basically saying to the soldiers "I don't give a damn", in response to their gift to us. just live an honest and decent life and always do things to your full potential. thats the best thanks a veteran could ask for.

SPR expresses to everyone including the veterans themselves. That the vets are the real heroes that we are eternally grateful and in debt, and that we will never forget their sacrifice.

sorry my post is so long. when it comes to patriotism I just get so into it and don't know when to stop.

[BlueHawk_1]

Very, Very well put!

[shameful_larva]

Like Homer Simpson said: "Oh, you love sausage, but you hate to see it getting made!"

[hartsox]

wait, what? are you talking about the historical accuracy or you like the good outcomes of war, but hate seeing the war itself?
cause bia is about the war, im probably confused about what you were sayin

[suicidebomber12]

SPR was anti-war, but it wasnt about war all together,although it did pay homage to the veterans of ww2, it was about the human condition that when we are put into the toughest situations for man to handle they can do anything. These guys decided to stay behind when they didnt have to and fought so maybe they could help make a difference in the war against nazi germany that was taking away people's freedoms and lives. They mostly all died in the end, proving that men arent monsters and even though maybe ryan didnt deserve it, they all died fighting for a good cause, to make a difference and save ryan, the mission they were ordered to do. Hartsox when u r complaining about this being anti-war, are you saying that war is a good thing? any man who isnt anti-war has problems. Yet u can still fight a war and be anti-war. War is necessary sometimes and ww2 was an example. So yes this is an anti war movie because they show how horrible it is, but its not saying we should not fight back when need be.

[Mozzerman]

I think the most move "anti-war" scene is the scene of Wade's death. I didn't see a dry face in the theater during that scene.

[Orezai856]

Everyone cried during Titanic whats that mean??? everyone is anti death and war is just Massive amounts of Death

[Goldgarand]

I think SPR was intended to show the lessons learned while fighting of one man. It was a long way off of an anti-war movie in my opinion. Movies like that would be like Fog of War.

[Sgt.Cherry11]

Saving private ryan is one of my favorite movies. The first scene on Omaha Beach is the most intense war scene I've ever seen in a movie. After seeing that, I'd pick the airborne any day!

Anyway, I agree with Goldgarand. SPR was less of an antiwar movie and more of a look at what really happened during WWII. That's my opinion anyway.

[Orezai856]

way to post a year later on a dead thread

[Sgt.Cherry11]

Haha. Well, since you replied maybe other people will.

[mattfro]

Originally posted by Sgt.Cherry11:
Haha. Well, since you replied maybe other people will. Or maybe they won't. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

[Sgt.Cherry11]

Yeah, they probably won't. =-P

At least it will add posts to my total. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

[mattfro]

I guess. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

[Sgt.Cherry11]

Yep yep. Nice avatar. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

[pz.grenadier]

and john millers name where actually ralph goranson. he had swedish parents.

[Egg121]

Originally posted by Sgt.Cherry11:
Saving private ryan is one of my favorite movies. The first scene on Omaha Beach is the most intense war scene I've ever seen in a movie. After seeing that, I'd pick the airborne any day!


The invasion on omaha isn't a airborn attack, the behind-enemy-lines attack, that was airborn, but omaha was ground force, main force if you wish.

[GatorSub1942]

Originally posted by hartsox:
well, for one the movie sux, two the flash then thunder is correct

the challenge was flash, then thunder and they used many others

and the tanks just prove how sucky this sucky movie sux.

One of the best war films of modern times and you say it sux? Well, you're entitled to your opinion I suppose.

As for the planes destroying the tanks, they did that all the time! As soon as a plane saw a tank, the tank was generally a dead man rolling!

[Phatt1963]

D'oh, I thought SPR was a US Army recruiting video, and the same with Starship Troopers, and Platoon, etc, etc.

War is Hell, and it Sux, and there is no place for it in this age of technology. However it will continue to haunt us while ever we continue to treat our neigbours like the enemy instead of like a friend. Before any of you start ranting an raving about me being an Anti-War, left wing nutcase, I have already given eight years of my life to the Military in the RAAC so I know what I am talking about. I respect the sacrifices that were made by the soldiers who fight for our freedom, but I despise the people who are responsible for causing the wars we fight.

Oh by the Way SPR was a real eye opener, I both loved and hated it.

[andy3536]

Lol, where did you get vietnam from, thought this was a saving private ryan thread http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Other than the fact of corse that in the US constitution it perfecly ok for thier own citizens to be free to have communist views but when a country thousands of miles away with a government it's own people hates asks for help against communists they throw thier weight at it and it's just not wanted by anybody except those in power in the south.
Not to mention of corse that the communists in vietnam asked for the US help after WW2 and could well have been a US freindly communist country. The US didn't want to upset France so they only had Russia to go to for help.


Back on the subject of saving private ryan though, i think the film showed the futility of war very well. I don't think it was anti war as such. I think it made clear that WW2 was nessesary, but also that a very high price was paid for it.
Very well writen and performed, not completely acurate but more so than most.

There's a great spoof of it too, saving private lion (not to be taken seriously)
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=wX-wumVSbDQ

[GatorSub1942]

Originally posted by hartsox:
any 1 notice it's an anti-war movie? everyone dies and nothing is acomplished, boo freaking hoo

Unfortunately, that sentence sums up a lot of wars. WW2 achieved the overthrowing of the Nazis, so it was important, but many wars achieve nothing other than getting people killed.

[SeanPL]

No tiger tanks were deployed in Normandy until July, during the time in the movie they were all deployed on the east