Weapons you would like to see in BIA:HH

[Crimson_Engage]

So I think we need to get this out of the way. What weapons do you hope to see in BIA:HH?
I have been wanting to use an M3A1 SMG in a ww2 game. And i have yet to see one. (cod 2, and DOD) Are the only games that have featured this gun.<form action="http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums" method="POST" name="VOTE">

[Crimson_Engage]

So I think we need to get this out of the way. What weapons do you hope to see in BIA:HH?
I have been wanting to use an M3A1 SMG in a ww2 game. And i have yet to see one. (cod 2, and DOD) Are the only games that have featured this gun.<form action="http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums" method="POST" name="VOTE">

[ragingpaseo]

the m3a1 grease gun was featured in BIA:EIB...<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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"1st Lt. ****: 1st sergeant Lipton? you get things organized here. I?m gonna go for?help?"

[K.Turnhout]

Yep you are rigth. I hate it in Bia by the way, to less fire power if you ask me. But in Cod2 it was suddenly much more powerfull http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif
I loved Gewehr 43 in COD2. But is isn't included in bia. Why not?

[milogirardet]

i would likt to see the m1 carbine

[TexasRed84]

How bout the M-2 Carbine? It's capable of full auto and has a 30 rd. mag.

[TexasRed84]

and what's up with the thompson and a 20rd. mag. seriously, who's gonna run around with the 20 rd. when you can use the 30rd. and it's more available. Where were you on that one Col. Antel?

[TexasRed84]

and how about the ability to deploy the bipod for the B.A.R.

[HiPNoTyQ]

i agree with Texasred, i would love to see a 30round thompson

[Xbox.Tisdal3]

Pretty much every gun you guys said you wanted minus the M2 is in EiB game.

[wwiicrazy]

I would like to see the lag go away when you fire a fully automatic weapon like in the previous two games, If the game lagged when i fired a BAR in HH , that would be bad

[shameful_larva]

I wanna be able to use rifle 'nades.

[sgt_n00dle]

Milogirardet, have you even played the game? The M1 carbine has been available from the very beginnings of both RTH30 and EiB.

TexasRed, the M2 carbine was not developed until after the war ended, and didn't achieve widespread use til Korea. I agree with you on the Thompson mags though. I think they were right to put the 20 rd. ones in RTH30, since they were probably given to the paratroopers on DDay because they were smaller and could be more easily carried with them on a jump or something. But at this stage, they should've switched to the 30 round ones by the time they reached Holland.

But if the Thompson is as good in HH as it was in the first two BiA's, 30 round magazines might be a bit overpowering.

Rifle-grenades would be sweet, but I'd really like to see either the G43, or an improved M1 carbine. The one in EiB and RTH30 was just plain useless. I think it should have a lot less recoil (if any), as that was one of its main advantages over larger-caliber guns like the Garand.

[sgt_n00dle]

Interesting trivia: The 20-round Thompson mags were often preferable to the 30-round ones because the Thompson's magazine catch wasn't sturdy enough to hold the weight of the 30-rounders, so sometimes, loaded ones would just fall right out http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

[AFSmity]

If they're going to take recoil out of a weapon it should be the garand. It has way too much kick for my liking, though I've never fired one so I don't know how accurate that is. I don't really feel like the carbine has any kick at all. I can pump several rounds into any enemy pretty quickly without adjusting aim between shots. The only downside is that it takes more than several to kill one. I think its the most useless weapon in the game (aside from the pistols) but on the other hand my brother is practically a sniper with it.

[Xbox.Tisdal3]

Id like to see the Zues rocket launcher from GRAW 2 on BiA!

har har

[Qunizo27]

only make the gun if it was used in market garden

[skater1994]

I realy like to see the b.a.r
it's a very accurate weapon and fun to use it

[TSB1928]

i think the submachine guns ans the carbine need to be more accurate...i realize that they arent good from a distance but i mean its kinda ridiculous when you find difficulty in hitting the guy who for some reason comes sprinting around the corner and youve got a full thompson mag and are unable to hit him...and no its not because i suck for you smartasses out there...lol

[b.weddell]

I would love to see the springfield sniper rifle in HH. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

[xiopvt]

B.A.R , .30 cal , M1 Carbine & Garand , Thompson , Grease Gun , Smoke Nade

[zeroethics]

I'd love to see the FG-42, may be even one with a deployable bipod. That would be so bad ***. I can't remember, did EIB have the semi-auto/full-auto switch?

[legend_715]

I really like the m1 garand and the thompson but the grease gun will do too

[sgt_baker_858]

i really would like to see the m1 garand in his beauty ( I love the m1) with a thompson no m1 carbine it sucked in rth 30 and eib so no m1 carbine and the .30 cal because i love it in online gaming with cod3 for german weapons i really would like to see the mp44 and fg-42 ( i think the fg-42 is comming in the game since the fighting in the neighbourhoud of son was with german para's

[sgt_baker_858]

Too react on the b.a.r. did the paratroopers jumped with those I dont know but you see one in bob replacements bur red finds one in my uppinion the were to heavy

[Orezai856]

id like to see the .45... like actually usable

[Thornley68]

I would like to see them add a bayonet attachment at will. That would be pretty sweet. Along with the grenade attachment.


And the luger!

[RockHard1963]

Smoke grenades and standard grenades.
Ability to use mortars or mg's on tripods
Bipod for bar or add an mg 38
Rifle grenades
mine fields or ability to plant mines

[expl0siv02007]

I'm pretty sure the second guy on the right (Hartsock?) has a shotgun in this screenshot. http://www.gamespot.com/pages/image_viewer/frame_lead.php?pid=930277&img=11

[expl0siv02007]

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/image_viewer/frame_lead.php?pid=930277&img=11
this is the screen shot http://www.glop.org/gamercard/card/el+expl0siv0-forumgames.png

[expl0siv02007]

then go one screenshot to the left http://www.glop.org/gamercard/card/el+expl0siv0-forumgames.png

[mattfro]

I might be missing something but I don't see any shotguns.

[expl0siv02007]

Click on "view full size" for a better look

[mattfro]

I did.

[B.Rubble]

A 2 inch mortar. Its british i know, but it would be great for entrenched ememies. eh? huh?

[jkh2nd]

Ok this is THE LIST of firearms that need to be in the game:

Americans-

M1 Garand
M1A1 Carbine
M1 Carbine
M1A1 Thompson
M1928 Thompson
M3A1 "Grease Gun"
M1918A2 B.A.R. (W/ bi-pod and carrying handle)
M1918A2 B.A.R. (W/out bi-pod and handle)
Springfield M1903A4 Sniper Rifle
M1919A4 Browning .30 Cal
M9A1 Bazooka
M2HB Browning .50 Cal (stationary)
M1911 Colt .45

Germans-

Mauser Kar 98K
Walther Gewehr 41
Walther Gewehr 43
Walther Kar 43
MP40
MP41
MP44 "Sturmgewehr"
FG42
Scoped Mauser Kar 98K Sniper Rifle
Scoped Gewehr 43 Sniper Rifle
MG34 LMG
MG42 LMG
Panzershreck
Panzerfaust
MG34 HMG (Stationary on tri-pod)
MG42 HMG (Stationary on tri-pod)
P08 Luger 9mm
Walther P38 9mm

Other weapons that would be cool to see:
(These weapons were used in the war, but were a bit more rare or had newer counterparts)

Springfield M1903A3- Many of these were produced during WWII, especially when Garands production slowed and weapon demand increased. It is loaded through the top of the reciever with a 5 round stripper clip of .30-06

I'll add some other weapons with time, right now that's all I can put.

[M1_Maniac]

The MP41 should NOT be in BIA HH.
The mp41 was built in very small numbers, mainly for police forces and in-country forces. Very very few made it out to the main army troops.

Same with the K41. It was totally obsolite by 1943 with the immediate release of the K43. It was also highly disliked by troops, seeing as it loaded through the top with two stripper clips and had a HIGH tendency to jam.


As for two things I would really really like in the game, I would love a realistically made rifle grenade launcher, and the use of bayonets.

Bayonets were actually used to a very large extent in world war two, seeing as combat got extremely close quarters in house to house combat. If the developers could find a way to let us use bayonets, and/or put in a "fix bayonets" command, I would be one happy little monkey. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Also, with the rifle grenades, I would love to see some "true" rifle grenade combat. In world war two, the rifle grenades took a very long time to set up and sight. All games with this feature seem to just "pop" the rifle grenade straight into your rifle in a matter of seconds. Again, having a rifle grenade command would, again, make me a very happy monkey.

My .02

[Screamin34gl3]

I like the idea of Bayonets. But the rifle grenades were not that sucsesfull during WWII and plus if they put them in the game every body would use them like they are used in CoD3 unless they leave them to SP only.

[jkh2nd]

You said it yourself thet a small number of them were out in the field with regular amry forces. That's the same reason you still saw some US troops using M1928 Thompsons in 1945 rather than the newer M1A1. It's not like an imidiate replacement, "HEY! Here's the new version give me you old one and I'll give you this!" It's a slow phase out of the old weapon and introduction of the new. And not every MP41 and G41 made it off of the battlefield. MP41's were still a very popular but rare weapon to officer's and NCO's and condidered slightly better than the MP40. G41's, would not be something immpossible to see on the field by the end of the war. I mean look at the M1A1 Thompson and BAR, they were still found by scattered soldiers in Vietnam! Crazy huh?

I do really agree with you about the bayonets and rifle grenades. Bayonets would be very true to WWII combat. And you are totally right about rifle grenades. The process should be more than the barrel launcher automatically appearing on the Garand or Kar 98K and then the soldier pops on the grenade and fires. It should go through the long process of preparing the grenade.

Anyways, you seem like someone that I would like talking to about WWII and weapons. I am new to the forums. I have a question though, how did you get to be a forum moderator, are you related to the BIA team?

Peace for now,
Jordan

[M1_Maniac]

The mp41 in general was the rarest of all MP's to be seen on the battlefront.
Schmeiser planned on mass-producing this weapon, but barely any came out of the factories. It is said that they were probably made for an allied country, instead of being made for Germany's troops.
Quite a few though DID get to police units and soldiers on the Ost Front. That's as far as I'd let it be implemented in the game, but definitely not in the Western Front.
Actually also, the mp40 was well preferred over the mp-41. In combat, the foldable stock of the mp40 was much more convenient than a cumbersome wooden stock. Also, the mp41 was less reliable seeing as it ran on a much older MP idea, the mp38, rather than the mp40.

The G41, as I stated before, was not very well liked among troops, especially since the g43 was released, the one's with G41's would gladly exchange their rifle's for a g43.
Although, the g41 sights are a lot simpler. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

In no way am I saying that they were non-existant, all I am saying is that they were way too rare to be implemented into BIA, maybe if it was Ost Front, but not France and Germany.

Anywho, welcome to the forums! Glad to have you aboard.

And about my moderator-dom, in all honesty, I do not remember how the hell i got it.http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

[Orezai856]

i want to see the m16 in BIA

[jkh2nd]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Orezai856:
i want to see the m16 in BIA </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Lmfao

Anyways, Yeah I understand now that finding an MP41 in the western front would have been like finding a strand of hay in a stack of needles. These weapons would be better suited to realism games and mods.

[ragingpaseo]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TexasRed84:
How bout the M-2 Carbine? It's capable of full auto and has a 30 rd. mag. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
The M2 Carbine was not developed until well after WWII.

[Panzershrekz]

hold on a sec I may be stupid but I just spotted somthing there is a pic that depicts a soldier shooting his bazooka... but on it is painted the word Stella. Stella is the girl in holland Padock was talking about in the toy shop meaning thats Padocks weapon meaning Padock will be in the "bazoka team"... just wondering if im crazy.

[M1_Maniac]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ragingpaseo:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TexasRed84:
How bout the M-2 Carbine? It's capable of full auto and has a 30 rd. mag. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
The M2 Carbine was not developed until well after WWII. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually, the M2 was developed in 1945 and saw use in very small numbers around the PTO. It was seen on Iwo Jima and a few pictures of late war German battles.

[EmoPaintedRed]

List of Weapons I would like to see:
M1 Garand
M1 Carbine
Thompson
Grease Gun
B.A.R
Springfield M1903A4
M1911 Colt .45
STG.44
MP44
Panzerfaust
Walther P38 9mm

[TDC_kar98]

a supersoaker...uhhh a plasma ray shooter...uhhhh my arms...uhhh... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif...just joking..i would like to the guns from the previous and a few more that hav'nt been introduced yet...G43 and such.

[Mac1337]

I just wanna use the heavy weaponry, like mortars.

Btw, the G43 wasn't used on the Western Front, so it'd be unrealistic to include it.

[Hanomag1404]

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif
Compered to COD, Gearox have done an amazing job on realism. For instance you can die just as easy as your team-mates. But one problem I think, that has always existed with any war game is the number of shots that is required to take down an enemy.

In reality 1 well aimed shot would be enough to take down all but the most hardened troops,and if you shoot some one in the leg, they would fall over(they might keep firing) and then slowly die. this would have indeed be incrediby difficult to achieve on old platforms(as you can tell from previous BIA titles. But now the the uprise of more sophisticated platformes I would like to see this implicated on future titles, at least on authentic modes. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Shifty_167]

Yeh i'm really hoping theres gonna be some gd sniping opportunities, and in MP and stuff like tht u can make ur guy a sniper nd tht ther'll be alot gd spots like bein able to go thru or into buildings,towers, steeples nd tht kinda thing http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Jure_502]

It would be cool to see G-43 (scoped ?) this time, tough I'm not sure if it was used a lot by Germans in Western front.

[mopar1990]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jure_502:
It would be cool to see G-43 (scoped ?) this time, tough I'm not sure if it was used a lot by Germans in Western front. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


The g-43 was REALY,REALY rare in russia,My grandfather spended 11 weeks in midle of now-where.(he called it'its cooler then the a** of an ice-bear') and he has seen it only 2 times.

[junio637]

there should be an unlockable weapon after u beat the game so u can replay the game with a barrett .50 sniper, ak-47, or m4a1

[mopar1990]

what kinda weapon should i like to see hmmm..... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif simple my own mg42/mg3,i've equiped her with the lattest in technology wich are night-scope,muzzle flash and a death machine pack,that baby rulez. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

[whiskers182]

i only want to see the guns that were used in MARKET-GARDEN......that would be sweet if the germans have a 20mil. automatic cannon like in "saving private ryan" (when the germans were blowing our guys to pieces with it

[mattfro]

That would suck if you got shot with it though.

[mopar1990]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mattfro:
That would suck if you got shot with it though. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That will crash my day then,and the change that you actually made it out their alive is ''pretty slim''.

[Wee_Wee21]

as long as i get to have the M1 Garand and the thompson. i will be happy but i would like to see a big variety of weapons to change up the multiplayer every once in awhile. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

[mopar1990]

If I have to choose to 1 gun it will be the sturmgewehr 44 that baby owns,and I am sooo lucky to own that baby.

[Cpl_McCaughey13]

I would love to see rifle grenades come back in HH . I believe that it is one of the coolest attachment to the M1. I'm an M1 freak and it's the only gun i used in WW2 games. I have both BIA's and the one for the ps2. I also like the idea of the bayonet

[IIII47IIII]

As long as the Thompson and Carbine show up, then ill be set.

On a side note tho, does anyone else think the sound the Thompson makes is a bit off? In the video from E3, i felt the Thompson had to much of a "pop" sound when its sound more closesly resembles a metallic "chuk" sound. I dont know, maybe its just me.

[Major-Johnson]

Chances are that E3 video has poor sound quality and the actual sound will be much different.

Everyone here has made some excellent suggestions. The only thing I would add, is the ability to use the Potato Mashers of the troops we kill in the game.

[IIII47IIII]

Yea, thats kind of what i thought. That E3 video was an EARLY build.

[SureShot7]

I hope they keep the carbine since it was a very used paratrooper weapon.

[Sliza1979]

I´m not too sure if Gearbox will include the M1-Carbine in the game. I´ve read in some books that the Recon-Platoon of the 101st were not handed out that weapon back then.

By the way, the Recon-Boys went into operation market garden by glider, not by parachutes.

[Finn1939]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> Everyone here has made some excellent suggestions. The only thing I would add, is the ability to use the Potato Mashers of the troops we kill in the game. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, I have always wandered why you cant use enemy or friendly grenades. I can maybe understand stick grenades would be hard to attach to your belt or whatever, but still, you should at least be able to use M2' Pineapples.



As for the above post, I not sure if they are talking about a recon company or whatever, but just a small recon element in a platoon. Not sure if they still arrived by glider or not, but it would make sense for there heavier weapons to arrive (Browning, BAR)by glider.

[LoneWolf051]

what version of the Carbine? regular or the M1A1. I say, in SP, the M1A1, and the standard in MP.

[thereddbaron]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LoneWolf051:
what version of the Carbine? regular or the M1A1. I say, in SP, the M1A1, and the standard in MP. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hi wolf welcome to our forums.

The Carbine used in the previous games was the A1 version,the version with the folding butt stock.
The A1 was issued to men who worked in cramped spaces, such as tanks, mortars, demolition duty's and ofcours fireteams,hell even in Iraq i came accross old weapons such as tommy guns garands and a carbine,The reason is just that the standerd M16 uses 5.56mm bulets, and the Garand/Carbine uses the much bigger 7.62mm bullet.

The carbine does has a advantage over the Garand.It's much lighter,now that doesen't sounds inportant,But if you have to drag you're on body weight + 30lbs of materials plus the weight of you're weapon, ammo, grenades, spare parts,pen paper,location map,a muzet back,plus if you're real lucky a mg+standerd and spare ammo, u realy wishes that u weren't carrying so much with you everyday.

Think about it,you realy don't wanna cary as much stuff with you in a combat area,you want to be as light as possible,because you have to run,duck and duck for grenades,in a combat area you want to be as light as possible http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif .

[LoneWolf051]

That also makes me wonder how were gonna get to use the B.A.R, unless we can scavenge it from the Glider infantry.

[WaffenSS-CRO]

I want see: K98, FG42,Springfield, G43 (no scope).

This 4 weapons they didn t put in site of weapons in the game: http://brothersinarmsgame.us.ubi.com/?_%20_utma=

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[Ermac2008]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AFSmity:
If they're going to take recoil out of a weapon it should be the garand. It has way too much kick for my liking, though I've never fired one so I don't know how accurate that is. I don't really feel like the carbine has any kick at all. I can pump several rounds into any enemy pretty quickly without adjusting aim between shots. The only downside is that it takes more than several to kill one. I think its the most useless weapon in the game (aside from the pistols) but on the other hand my brother is practically a sniper with it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I've fired a M1 garand and it has significant amount of kick to it so it should stay that way. The M1 carbine in real life has barely any recoil.

[ty56vt]

i would like to see the Luger its that german pistle that allied soldiers wanted as a souviner that would be sweet to shoot in BIA

[sicklybuisness]

well in addition to the weapons already in the game i'd like to see the german g43 and mg34, aswell as some british weapons that could be scrounged off dead XXX corps soldiers like the lee enfield no.4, sten mark II, Bren gun, vickers mg, webley revolver (.38 or .455)

bayonets and an ever present k bar would be nice aswell

and hopefully we'll get Cromwells and Churchills and Bren Carriers instead of just shermans and m5 halftracks that have different markings

[redjoshman]

rifle grenades are not that slow to work. here is a step by step process(for M1 garand).

1.attach m7 grenade launcher

2.put on antitank rifle grenade or put on m2 frag grenade already in rifle grenade adapter or put it in adapter then attach(takes about 5 seconds justs snaps in).

3.use basic in your head geometry.

4. fire

The K-bar was pretty much a Marine only item the knives that you would see would be the M1918 "knuckle duster", M3 trench knife, M1905E5 bayonet,M1 bayonet.

Bayonets were used vey rarely and only about 10 bayonet charges throughout world war(mostly in the pacific) and none of them during Op:Market-Garden, there was a bayonet duel but it was in the 506th PIR, another regiment.

M2 carbine never saw action in WW2, though it started Development in late '44. It seems it was still being approved in 1945.

30rd thompson mags would be the norm for everyone including PARATROOPERS by 1943(when the M1A1 first came onto the scene(the 30rd didn't come about till the creation of the M1A1)

Should not see M3A1 grease gun, post war. should see M3 grease gun.

No Bipod or carrying handle on BAR you almost never see them in the ETO.

-Josh