communication with regards to the future patch

[Mysticaly]

I am posting this after a request...

There are actually some new information about the patch, this will kill any speculations about the work not have been started yet, because it is confirmed it endeed has!

You can read about it here: http://www.rainbowsix-vegas.net

And do note, this is not an attempt to attract more users to my site, this was posted yesterday and I had no intensions to post about it here, but after a request I've done so now http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Cheers, and let this lighten your mood a little.

Also, pay a regards to UN-Deux for hes complete honesty in hes answers!.

<span class="ev_code_GREEN">Un-Deux Edit: first off, I didn't touch any of the original content of the post, I just wanted to make sure I threw in a little disclaimer now that this is stickied. I'm still waiting for information on the patch, and I basically konw as much as you guys. SamSpeed's statement contains all of the information I have right now.

And yes, it does sound like the "same song and dance," simply because I'm still trying to get information. I have nothing concrete to tell you guys and working toward it.

Regarding the bug list, I noticed that earlier today, after I made those comments. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

</span>

[webeenfubied]

Well, I feel truly enlightened after that Q&A.
Different mod same answers.
I decided to have a go at some team survival tonight after a month away from the game. Guess what 12 players online. Is it really worth them patching this game now, seeing as it is already dead.

[MDS_Geist]

Stickying.

[Mysticaly]

I feel you... but it's not as much the information in the Q&A but the commitment he makes, atleast i feel it counts for something, or actually alot since it's way more than we have seen before, but I fully understand you..

But hey, it's nice to yet again getting it confirmed tough .. at least I feel so..

And Imagine, 3 days ago we had nothing, except what SamSeed who nobody knew who was stated "a patch is in the works" and that was it, so I would say the info yesterday is a whole lot more than the day before http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Snake_1968]

Have to say it sounds like the same song and dance. But who knows at some point we might get some thing good out of some one.

[RLCSeMPeRFi]

Thanks Myst. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

[webeenfubied]

It makes me laugh that it will take 1 to 2 weeks more to find out info when u consider that 8 weeks ago another mod was looking into whether this game was still being supported.
I guess the devs have been locked away without telephones or email for a long time now.

[moose_knuckle]

The title of this post is misleading, I actually thought there was an update.

After reading your Q&A, we're left with the same status as before.......

[kma.exe]

Well it is nice that this Deux fellow has come to "Save the day", but isn't it truly depressing that it ever had to come to this?

It is to little to late as far as I'm concerned.

I, for one, will absolutely never forgive them for what they (UBI as a company) have done to us.

I, for one, will never buy another UBI title.

Period.

[webeenfubied]

I second that emotion http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Mysticaly]

Originally posted by moose_knuckle:
The title of this post is misleading, I actually thought there was an update.

After reading your Q&A, we're left with the same status as before.......

Sorry about that http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
I renamed the title now.
I don't agree about the status tough, no one has made any clair commitments before, Rickas "would look into it" i interpent Deux answers as much more trustworthy, and I beleive that he will hold he's commitment.

Yesterday we didnt know what to expect at all, atleast now we know what to expect, which is a whole lot more than yesterday, I for one is not wondering if there is a patch in the works anymore, now i know there is, also i'm not wondering if we will ever get any information, official information will "hopefully" come in a week or two, I honestly beleive Deux will manage to get some information to us by then...

All in all that little information ways a ton compared to the information we had yesterday..

[webeenfubied]

The thing is tho, are there enough players left to really care if a patch comes or not? 12 players in team survival at 930pm uk time on a Wednesday night is not good. This is down to Ubi killing a game that we all wanted and had the potential to become a classic.

[Philipz]

@ UN-Deux

There's an explicit list of both bugs and feature requests pinned at the top of this forum that was supposedly already submitted to UBI. Please have a look at this. Maybe you can confirm that UBI did in fact receive this list...

[S.O.D.sniper]

Way to go, Mysticaly. Perseverance pays off..

Moose, I hear what yer saying, but when taking everything into account that has occurred today, not just this one announcement, there is cause for hope...


SODsniper

[Mysticaly]

Wierd, I played yesterday, there where plenty servers and a whole bunch of players online, wierd that the next day theres only 12 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

I don't beleive that the patch will ressurect the whole community and that it will make RSV a top game, and we will suddenly see active clanbase ladders etc etc. I can only hope we will see a little of it, personally I would be very active in RSV if the patch would solve the worst issues, add rcon abilites, add admin options and sads, then I would problably play it all the time, because this game is one of the greatest in a long time, SP is great and when MP works it's super, beats most games (except Ravenshield)

So for those reasons I want UBI to make a patch, and simply because it's the right thing for UBI to do, no matter what, since the game is as buggy as it is, and since there are so few options, it's the only right thing for UBI to do... they need to complete there product, bacause it is not complete in the state it is in now, even tough some are satisfied.

[webeenfubied]

So just to clarify things the new mod is 'looking into it' http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif
It must be deep and dark this thing which we have lost all the mods too.
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[bjmarler1]

There are actually some new information about the patch...

I do appreciate the post, but it's not anything new. It's the exact same as I posted here on March 21. It was the reply I got from UBI via my BBB case:



On March 20, 2007, the business provided the following information:
We have recently received confirmation <span class="ev_code_RED">that a new patch will be in the works</span>, unfortunately we do not have a release date or fix list at this time. We ask that Mr. Marler bear with us until this patch is released. If after the release Mr. Marler is still running into the same issues we will be happy to work out an exchange of his copy of Rainbow Six Vegas for another title.


Well I guess it is nice to know that almost a month later, the patch "<span class="ev_code_RED">is still in the works</span>."

[S.O.D.sniper]

I think the important part here is not we're hearing the same ol same ol...

I think the important part is the promise that Deux is going to try and get us more concrete info.

I think he is sincere in that promise and I pray to the gods that UBI supports Deux and doesn't hang him out to dry... Supports him by giving him some good solid concrete info to pass on to us..

We have some really solid markers that Deux is serious about turning things around in here..

Let's show UBI that when things go good from UBI, then things go good from the community.

[Blud_E_Gutz]

Sorry S.O.D.--I (we) have heard it all before. It really is 'same ol'--just a different name saying it. He really has to "SHOW ME THE MONEY" then I will believe. I have gotten too tired of the 'messages' from those in the loop, but really not in the loop. UBI has to do something really good first, then I will acknowledge it--but they had better offer much more than it's in the works and I am looking into it. Also, an apology from UBI's secretive higher ups would be a requirement.

[S.O.D.sniper]

Originally posted by Blud_E_Gutz:
Sorry S.O.D.--I (we) have heard it all before. It really is 'same ol'--just a different name saying it. He really has to "SHOW ME THE MONEY" then I will believe. I have gotten too tired of the 'messages' from those in the loop, but really not in the loop. UBI has to do something really good first, then I will acknowledge it--but they had better offer much more than it's in the works and I am looking into it. Also, an apology from UBI's secretive higher ups would be a requirement.

I understand what you are saying. And, in your position, I would probably say the same thing..

But Deux DID extend an olive branch in that he is (or will) forgive bans made of late. Like I said, I know that probably doesn't mean much to you, but for people like me, that is a REALLY big olive branch.

While I do not fault you for your skepticism one iota (as I would feel the same way in your place) I do think that by restructuring the forum teams and opening locked threads to allow the free exchange of ideas, even if things got a tad testy.... Well, I think that has earned Deux a little credibility that wasn't there before.

Personally, I don't see a problem with giving him a few days to see if he can deliver. But, don't get me wrong. I fully understand why you wouldn't want to and don't fault you for it.

But, on the other hand.. What's a few days??

Just a thought...

[Blud_E_Gutz]

A few days is fine, I can wait, However, I am still waiting on my fixes for Blazing Angels, another UBI failed console port that has been abandoned while at the same time they have announced Blazing Angels II. So you can see that I have patience, but it is being tested.
It means that no more of my $$$ is being sent UBI's way and I really wanted to get Silent Hunter IV too. After checking out various SH forums, it is was a good choice on my part.

[DX-GAME]

Sadly, unless they do something really special with a patch, this will never be a massive multiplayer game.

Its just missing way too many elements, and has too high requirements to EVER become something that has more than a few hundred players, and a few tens of regulars. If you are wishing for that, might as well stop.

Best we can hope for is solid gameplay, and geting together as a small community for some of the killing.

Its no secret that I feel highly populated games ruin themselves, so Im not too worried about it. I dont expect anything more, or less, than UBI to make the game stable and fluid.

Populating the game is up to us after that.

[Snake_1968]

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

[DX-GAME]

Thanks..

Of course, I still have hopes for a 2gig patch, lol..

It wouldnt be all that hard for them to fix the current issues and add all of the elements the engine is capible of. Heck, gimme an editor and I can do alot of it. But, all they really have to do is fix the game they released. That means they fix whatever is wrong with what you have now.

[KI.Canyon]

@ UN-Deux

There's an explicit list of both bugs and feature requests pinned at the top of this forum that was supposedly already submitted to UBI. Please have a look at this. Maybe you can confirm that UBI did in fact receive this list...


Exactly. Don't get me wrong, I am very pleased to see Un-Deux stepping up to the challenge that is this forum, but so far as submitting bugs and feature requests go, we've already done our job.

[nebula25x]

DX-GAME, you lost me. How do highly populated games ruin themselves? I assume you are referring to games like CS:S and UT and the like? That statement just seems counterintuitive to me. Please explain.

You dont think if they fix ALL the mp issues this game wont be at least as popular as rvs? This game has been out only a few months yet. Rvs wasnt all that populated for the first few months for the same reason. Or do you mean that because of the style of game vegas is, it will never be as popular as rvs or rs?

[S.O.D.sniper]

I have always felt that, game play wise, VEGAS was RavenShield II.. I especially got that feeling when playing the updated STREETs map..

VEGAS has the potential to be as big or bigger than RVS...

Like I said before. If they could take the graphics and game play of VEGAS, and put in the Menu'ing, Lobby/CHAT, Server Browser and Admin'ing of RavenShield, they would have an unstoppable hit that would make them millions!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[nebula25x]

I agree sniper. While it isnt quite like rvs, it does have the same kinda "feel" to it. Not quite as different as rvs was compared to rs i think. I remember people saying they would never switch to rvs because it wasnt like a r6 game at all. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif
Man how things change with time....

[Mysticaly]

This game has at least every potential rvs had when it was released, Personally I believe that not only we would benefit by a proper patch, UBI would also benefit ALLOT, I just hope they see it them selves, I imagine the popularity of rsv would pick up allot and a whole lot of new copies would be sold, especially if they would release a proper MP demo like the once they did for rvs..

So UBI would really benefit and of-course so would the PC community

[Perseus_AWC]

@ Mysticaly and Sniper

You both hit it. That's the reason I think so many, including my clan got so peeved, when the game was released so half built.

The game could have been a strong and worthy heir to the RVS throne.

@submitter of post, don't you think the thread title should be changed? There is no update.

Also, to the powers that be, why is this stickied? What news in here is so new and important that it requires it to be stickied above all posts?

I think we are all getting a little carried away here. The contents of this post are surely interesting but far from a sticky imho.

Thanks.

[Mysticaly]

@Perseus_AWC
I think it's stickied because some people have speculated that SamSeeds statement that there where a patch in progress where bogus, this new information kills that speculation.

[Perseus_AWC]

Originally posted by Mysticaly:
@Perseus_AWC
I think it's stickied because some people have speculated that SamSeeds statement that there where a patch in progress where bogus, this new information kills that speculation.

Ahh thanks for the clarification.

[MDS_Geist]

Mysticaly is correct, that is precisely why I stickied it.

[Operator.SF]

No offense Geist, but hearing the same thing from another person does little to validate Samseeds original statement. Especially after the response I received from Rickas. Do you think we could get something a little more concrete ...like a developers log? That would go miles towards answering past, current, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, Future questions concerning the patch.

[S.O.D.sniper]

Originally posted by Operator.SF:
No offense Geist, but hearing the same thing from another person does little to validate Samseeds original statement. Especially after the response I received from Rickas. Do you think we could get something a little more concrete ...like a developers log? That would go miles towards answering past, current, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, Future questions concerning the patch.

Hopefully that is exactly what Deux can deliver in a couple days..

I would be happy with a reasonably accurate time table..

[Operator.SF]

although.. even though I'm willing to wait as long it takes (as R6 games are closest to my heart), It would definately be in UBI's best interest to get the patch out as soon as possible before any other tactical 1st person shooters are released. this game still has a chance because theres nothing out there right now thats better... but it won't be like that for long.

[Snipe4Me]

I still believe that the Heading of the Post is very deceiving... not that I can come up with a better heading, but then again, English is not my first language.

While I appreciate what UN_Dex is doing (he has done more in a few days than so many in months), I have to agree with others that, "There is NO New News" as of yet and the Tittle of the post should state that.

Sticky the post all you want but, at the end of the day, it will be perceived as "DECEPTION" from many a members here and it won't go well for others. Fixing the heading can bring a better future for the whole community (IMHO).

[MDS_Geist]

I'm not offended, no worries.

We now have multiple people who are in a position to know something telling us that a patch is coming. If you choose to believe any of them it is your choice to do so just as it is your choice if you choose to not believe them. However, it's pretty much like Pascal's wager here. It doesn't cost you anything to accept what Ubi-Rickas, SamSeed and Un-Deux have said and soon enough you will know for certain.

I'm sure that someone will see you post and I will also ask about seeing a Dev log is one is available.

As for a timetable that is one thing I wold hope we would all be more understanding and relaxed about. Yes, we would all like a patch sooner rather than later but I think (and hope) we also all want a patch that is comprehensive and effective. And since Rome wasn't built in a day and all that...

So again, soon enough we'll all have some more information.

[Mysticaly]

for those who where unhappy about the title of this thread, I have now changed it once more.
it's changed to "communication with regards to the future patch" this is in no way missleading, if someone actually missunderstand what this is about now then it's because they want to missunderstan...

cheers http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[moose_knuckle]

The new title is much more appropriate!

Thanks

[Perseus_AWC]

indeed, good job, Mysticaly http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

[TH_Overkill]

LOL Un-Deux answers:

"Probably" "I just don't know what degree it's true" "I don't know" "I hope to" "I don't know the details" "I may be" "Another thing on my list" "I would say so" "I honestly don't know anything about it right now" "I'm hoping to be able to"

All very positive answers LOL http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

No! but we all appreciate your efforts Mysticaly, & that's a very nice web site http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Un-Deux]

Originally posted by TH_Overkill:
LOL Un-Deux answers:

"Probably" "I just don't know what degree it's true" "I don't know" "I hope to" "I don't know the details" "I may be" "Another thing on my list" "I would say so" "I honestly don't know anything about it right now" "I'm hoping to be able to"

All very positive answers LOL http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

No! but we all appreciate your efforts Mysticaly, & that's a very nice web site http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I never made any promises about having answers at the moment - in fact, quite the opposite.

[TH_Overkill]

Yep, I know, just seem funny to me, sorry http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Maybe just a quick phone call to the devs would get some answers though http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[T-DiNozzo]

I'm hoping that after the bugs have been fixed, if they will be, and maybe Ubi releases an expansion, new life will be breathed into the game. Big publications like PcGamer would no doubt relay the information that most of the game's debilitating bugs had been fixed and people would give it a second chance, because right now it's pretty dead.

Although, PcGamer's nearly Editor's Choice rating makes me wonder if they truly spent time looking over the game or they just played single player through, momentarily checked over multiplayer and said, HEY! Singleplayer's pretty good and slapped their rating on it.

[Emenance]

Some questions were made and the responce was just hilarious to me too. I mean all this silence and mystery leads up to this?? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif lol

lmao These forums have just gone from sad and tragic to a complete red carpet Las Vegas comedy show!!! I seriously cant stop laughing.
LOL

[S.O.D.sniper]

Originally posted by Emenance:
Some questions were made and the responce was just hilarious to me too. I mean all this silence and mystery leads up to this?? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif lol

lmao These forums have just gone from sad and tragic to a complete red carpet Las Vegas comedy show!!! I seriously cant stop laughing.
LOL

Hay, if you have to wait for a patch, nothing says you can't be entertained in the process... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

"Hey, this is great.. Dinner AND a show"
-Manny The Wholly Mammoth, ICE AGE

[bjmarler1]

Originally posted by T-DiNozzo:
...
Although, PcGamer's nearly Editor's Choice rating makes me wonder if they truly spent time looking over the game or they just played single player through, momentarily checked over multiplayer and said, HEY! Singleplayer's pretty good and slapped their rating on it.

I agree with you on that for sure. I leared A LOT about reviews from this debacle! lol http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[ArcticCoolerMan]

looks like it's still a waiting game... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

[SODsniper]

Originally posted by ArcticCoolerMan:
looks like it's still a waiting game... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif


True...

But the difference is now, at least, we have communication and hope where before we had silence and hostility.

I for one, certainly prefer the latter to the former.

[wick1975]

Originally posted by SODsniper:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ArcticCoolerMan:
looks like it's still a waiting game... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif


True...

But the difference is now, at least, we have communication and hope where before we had silence and hostility.

I for one, certainly prefer the latter to the former. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
What good is the communication if whats being communicated isnt no diffrent than before?
Nice to see a CM actually participate in the forum that they are in charge of but some how I believe that UBI is doing more of the, "Calm the masses",PR campaign to sucker all you back in before another release..
I myself have boycotted ubi products since lockdown and will continue to do so untill they release a R6 title that has atleast everything RVS has.SADS,ect
Nice to see you back Sniper

[SODsniper]

No one says that anyone has changed their mind about UBI products..

People are still holding onto their $$$ until UBI makes positive steps to regain their customers trust.

My only position is and has been the communication factor.

If UBI is able to turn that around, then it does give hope that they will turn the product quality around too.

Thanx.. It's good to be back. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Sgt_Shortfuse]

In all reality with no offense to anyone here. Unless you are a Forum Mod or part of the Dev team you really should keep your mouths shut with regards to offical statements and possible patches. There seams to be to many chiefs and not enough indians so to speak. Yeah we have the right to complain all we want but no one and I mean no one has the right to make claims that they can BAN people and so forth. The fact of the matter is that UBI has a serious lack of respect for the PC users. And that will probably never change. No one here can deny that Vegas was and is a complete was of time and money. It does not work correctly and by the looks of it. Wont ever work correctly. UBI screwed up right from the start by trying to save a few bucks by porting it from the console. The bad this is that they dont seam to learn from their mistakes. The Rainbox Series has had more patches then any other 15 games comnbined. Raven Shield was the worst so far. I lost track of all the patches. They are so desperate to make money they sell defective products. Sooner or later it will come back to bite them on the ASSSSSS.

[KFORF-Gaz]

Another SH4 patch is being released next week and it's not just to make the UBI logo run smoother.

Lucky them... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif

[Mysticaly]

@ Sgt_Shortfuse:

I guess I agree for most part, except RSV has not been a complete waste of money and time for me, I have enjoyed the SP @ Terrorist Hunt very much, And COOP online when it works very much, but I've also experinced lot's of bugs http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

So, a waste of money to a certian degree, it's not worth 50$ (or how muc i paid, don't remember)

I still have hopes tough, that UBI can deliver most of the things i wish for, Editor, SADS, Bugfixes, etc.

And it remains to be seen

[SteveLord8]

Originally posted by Sgt_Shortfuse:
In all reality with no offense to anyone here. Unless you are a Forum Mod or part of the Dev team you really should keep your mouths shut with regards to offical statements and possible patches. There seams to be to many chiefs and not enough indians so to speak. Yeah we have the right to complain all we want but no one and I mean no one has the right to make claims that they can BAN people and so forth. The fact of the matter is that UBI has a serious lack of respect for the PC users. And that will probably never change. No one here can deny that Vegas was and is a complete was of time and money. It does not work correctly and by the looks of it. Wont ever work correctly. UBI screwed up right from the start by trying to save a few bucks by porting it from the console. The bad this is that they dont seam to learn from their mistakes. The Rainbox Series has had more patches then any other 15 games comnbined. Raven Shield was the worst so far. I lost track of all the patches. They are so desperate to make money they sell defective products. Sooner or later it will come back to bite them on the ASSSSSS.

UBI can ban at their discretion. Violate the TOU, you can get a ban. Simple as that.

Game wasnt a waste of money for me either. I got it off gogamer for 30 bucks shortly after release. Enjoyed Coop with my family and friends several times and even a dose of deathmatch. Still do on occasion.

[SierraNovember6]

The one thing I have learned from everything I have read in these forums is that there is a huge difference between the "casual vegas gamer" and the "R6 Series fan."

You can spot a casual gamer type from a mile away from the way they say "its no so bad" and "I enjoy playing Vegas even though its got some bugs," etc. The Series followers that have played R6 since 98 on MPlayer are like "This is unacceptable, they should be ashamed of the mockery the R6 franchise has become." "We deserve and expect more from these R6 titles than CTDs and a slap in the face from support."

It has occured to me that this mix of non-chalant gamers and the true R6 fans has done nothing but degrade this series and turned it in to a console-driven, counter strike wannabe.

It's a damned shame.

Yes. I am bitter. I have every right to be.

[Sgt_Shortfuse]

I understand that the Mod's can ban and do what ever they fell like but there are some on the forums that need to get their heads out of the sky. I realize that the Mod's can only say so much but as it stands right now they are the only line of communication with the DEV team. Its about time they take a stand and really let the DEV's know the real truth. We are generally disgusted with the lack of support and crappy game play and that we DEMAND some sort of response to our inquires.

[Sgt_Shortfuse]

I dont consider myself a hardcore gamer. I dont go out and buy all the super fancy gadets just to get a slightly better play. I do believe that when you find a good company that puts out decent games you stick by them. Since I first play the orignal Ghost Recon I have been hooked on UBI/Clancy based games. And with each passing game things have been progressivly getting worse and worse. Lets see who has what UBI games. I'll post my list below.

Ghost Recon 1 (3 or 4 seperate copies on the PC alone lost count plus the XBOX version

Ghost Recon Island Thunder PC and XBOX

Ghost Recon Summit Strike XBOX

Ghost Recon Desert Siege PC

Ghost Recon 2 XBOX

GRAW 3 copies for the PC and 1 XBOX 360

Splinter Cell PC and XBOX and PS2

Splinter Cell Pandora Tomorrow PC

Splinter Cell Chaos Theory PC and XBOX

Splinter Cell Double Agent PC and XBOX 360

Raven Shield 3 Copies PC

Athena Sword 2 Copies PC

Rainbow Six Iron Wrath PC Free But I paid for the FP subscription

Rainbow Six Lockdown PC and PS2

Rainbow Six Vegas 3 Copies PC

Post Your List. If anyne doubts me let me know I will be glad to send you a picture of all the games.

[MDS_Geist]

Originally posted by Sgt_Shortfuse:
I realize that the Mod's can only say so much but as it stands right now they are the only line of communication with the DEV team.

No, we're not. None of the Moderators are employees, we're volunteers drawn from the forum communities. We do not have any special lines of communications with the developers that you lack. We do have semi-regular contact with the Community Managers, and they're present on the forums as well.

As for "demands," the CM's have been active in sharing the information that they can. When they have more to share, they will.

[TH_Overkill]

Originally posted by SierraNovember6:
The one thing I have learned from everything I have read in these forums is that there is a huge difference between the "casual vegas gamer" and the "R6 Series fan."

You can spot a casual gamer type from a mile away from the way they say "its no so bad" and "I enjoy playing Vegas even though its got some bugs," etc. The Series followers that have played R6 since 98 on MPlayer are like "This is unacceptable, they should be ashamed of the mockery the R6 franchise has become." "We deserve and expect more from these R6 titles than CTDs and a slap in the face from support."



"its no so bad" and "I enjoy playing Vegas even though its got some bugs," etc, can be true whether you're a "R6 Series fan" or not, I love playing the game & just recently NONE of the main bugs have interfered with the game play (NO server crashes or sound looping), but being in a clan & a "R6 Series fan" since the very first game I would like to see all the suggested changes made. The main things for me would be pings in the server list & scores being kept after rounds http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I'd also like to see the game more optimized for the people that don't have the very latest graphics cards.

[SODsniper]

For me, personally, an FPS game isn't a "success" until it has a Map Editor.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Again, that's just me...

[SteveLord8]

Originally posted by Sgt_Shortfuse:
I realize that the Mod's can only say so much but as it stands right now they are the only line of communication with the DEV team.

Foot in mouth again...

[MDS_Geist]

Steve, that kind of comment is really not necessary.

[Operator.SF]

Funny Geist, I was just typing that very same thing.. Look, I don't understand why everyones getting so bent out of shape all of the sudden. We asked for more quality presence out of the mods and CM's.. and we got it. That by no means entails the fact that they're mystically going to have a wealth of information for us. Nor does it mean they're going to instantly have a patch with days of starting the aforementioned communication.
Be patient folks. UBI knows they screwed up and are taking steps to correct it. But you can't repair this type of damage overnight.


oh yeah.. one other thing.. to whoever said RVS was the worst R6 game ever.. plz point out ONE other R6 game that enjoyed the success and longevity that Ravenshield did.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif
I'm sorry but RVS was a huge hit. Vegas could be the same if they play their cards right.

[Mysticaly]

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

With everything, including about RVS. .

[MATUSALEN2007]

Hi Mysticaly, I tried to play las vegas multiplayer but i cant because im too slow, Do I need a patch to play vegas? because i play GRAW multiplayer without problem, where can I get Vegas patches? if they exist, thanks.
Matusalen

[nebula25x]

oh yeah.. one other thing.. to whoever said RVS was the worst R6 game ever.. plz point out ONE other R6 game that enjoyed the success and longevity that Ravenshield did.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif
.



Rogue Spear. More success and longevity than any R6 game. Heck, people still play it. Going on 9 years. Was very popular for the first 6. Rvs has been out only 4 years and the first year was troubled by the same issues vegas has. Not that i dont like rvs but, rogue spear definately was the most successful. I love rvs to death though. IMO, rvs is the better game, just wish it had the community that rs did.

[HiGhLaNd3I2]

RS/UO/CO/BT...Not to mention hundreds of mods and maps, who here remembers The Zone, or mplayer... I played UO on a 56k AND IT ROCKED!!!! Throw in a BSW mod, the R6 and Eagle Watch map packs, hours and hours of fun, even better once CAble modem was available, still plays great on my laptop...

[TH_Overkill]

Even the most patient are getting a little inpatient http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif, can't someone just pick up the phone & ask the devs how they're getting on? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

[zidee]

Originally posted by TH_Overkill:
Even the most patient are getting a little inpatient http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif, can't someone just pick up the phone & ask the devs how they're getting on? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif
Yep, Community managers should just call ubi and ask whats up with vegas and then paste here what they said or did they even answer the phone.

[SODsniper]

Originally posted by zidee:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TH_Overkill:
Even the most patient are getting a little inpatient http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif, can't someone just pick up the phone & ask the devs how they're getting on? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif
Yep, Community managers should just call ubi and ask whats up with vegas and then paste here what they said or did they even answer the phone. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hell, if the CMs are too busy, **I'LL** call them and ask...

I have practically talked to everyone else at UBI (S.F. AND Paris... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif) What's a dozen more phone calls. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

[IAmGhostDog]

Originally posted by Operator.SF:
Vegas could be the same if they play their cards right.
It's to late.
It looks like UBI has "folded".

[Blud_E_Gutz]

Any one got a link to a sound file that plays "The Last Post" ?


Game is dead and more empty promises from another UBI community manager to get us to STFU for a few more weeks. They took the money, abandoned the game and ran just like they did with Blazing Angels.

[Un-Deux]

What empty promises? I've promised to find out what's going on. I've promised nothing beyond my grasp.

[RH-Tabasco]

Originally posted by Un-Deux:
What empty promises? I've promised to find out what's going on. I've promised nothing beyond my grasp.

I think you will find out, and I think you'll be straight with us.

[zidee]

Originally posted by Un-Deux:
What empty promises? I've promised to find out what's going on. I've promised nothing beyond my grasp.
Just call them couple times. If they wont answer atleast u tried and we know they dont give a damn or some one had a long coffee break. If they do answer and they say something like ''we cant tell you'' its kind a clear to me, move on to other games and let RSV r.i.p.

[Blud_E_Gutz]

Originally posted by Un-Deux:
What empty promises? I've promised to find out what's going on. I've promised nothing beyond my grasp.
Sorry, I guess my patience has run it course, it just seems to be a repeat of what happened with RavenShield, Blazing Angels,to some extent GRAW, and now here. The pattern is the same. Someone will say they are working on something and then--tick tock tick tock, time marches on and nothing has changed.
As I have said before, my only option is to not buy UBI anymore. I really wanted to give Silent Hunter IV a go, but I stayed away only because of my experiences with my UBI purchases. However after the reviews and forums I have visited--it was a very smart decision. Graw II is off my list too.
Maybe UBI will understand that. But lost PC sales, I really don't think they could care less.

[TH_Overkill]

Originally posted by Un-Deux:
What empty promises?

"This is one of the first things I'm looking into"�
"I don't know, but I hope to have info soon"�
"but this is another thing I'll be pushing for"�
"requested fixes in the next week so I can get an explicit list to send to the devs"�
"Another thing on my list"�
"I'm working on getting information to the community about future support of the game"�
"as I increase my communication with the devs"�


All just a phone call away m8! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[SteamVent]

he already knows m8. they cant tell us its called NDA (non discloser agreement).
its against the law for tham to tell us until the official release of a patch, they have already said that they are working on it, be realistic.
Vent_DD

LB-HAM !!

[Un-Deux]

Originally posted by TH_Overkill:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Un-Deux:
What empty promises?

All just a phone call away m8! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Trust me when I say that it's really not that simple. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[TH_Overkill]

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif
Originally posted by SteamVent:
its against the law for tham to tell us until the official release of a patch

YEA RIGHT! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif & how comes you say Un-Deux already knows when he says he know NOTHING? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif


Trust mee when I say that it's really not that simple.

Please explain why ?

[KFORF-Gaz]

he already knows m8. they cant tell us its called NDA (non discloser agreement).
its against the law for tham to tell us until the official release of a patch, they have already said that they are working on it, be realistic.
Vent_DD



It's only against the law if an NDA was used and signed. I've done business with and without NDAs.

[Mysticaly]

I don't get the point of discussing this further, UN_Deux have made a promise to do what he (or she for what i know) can to get information for us within the next week or so... Give the Deux some time and when he/she has some information for us we will get it.

Rickas is apparently working hard on the same thing, let's hope they both succeed in there goals, which is making this community a better one for us...

Both those CM's deserves our gratitude for there efforts in my opinion.

It seems that UBI does not appreciate there own community managers, it seems the community managers are really doing what they can for us, but in real they have a bash the head against the wall experience with UBI, and that's not there fault.. I'm actually impressed that they still remains CM's and are doing what they can after such a treatment from both UBI and from us... So thanks allot CM's for still sticking up with it and thanks for your effort so far...


If we are going to put blame on people let's avoid putting it on the wrong persons, and put the blame where it should be put instead.

[DX-GAME]

In our old EA Need for Speed community, there is a corp rep that has listen to our complaints and suggestions for over 4years.

Simple fact was that EA Corp wasnt going to do anything. But EA-Cadillac was right there with us as a sounding board. While he agreed with all of our suggestions, he couldnt do anything more than relay information.

The community reps work in an entirly different section of the company. They are as in the dark as we are and when they speak, no one jumps. Their sole function is to keep the boards running well, so posting your complaints here will get you almost nothing.

Believe them when they say they are trying.
However, the chances you will get ANY info untill UBi devs are ready to release it is almost nil.

[TH_Overkill]

As you probably know I've been one of the more patient people of this community, but since Un-Deux has been here I seem to be getting very impatient, I like things to make sense in my head, but things like:

Quote from Un-Deux

"but as I increase my communication with the devs"�

Which means Un-Deux is talking to the devs, right?

How is that communication going?

Un-Deux:> How's the patch going lads?
The Devs:> Sorry we can't tell you that until we have communicated more.

Is that what's happening? Un-Deux, please help me understand! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

[Operator.SF]

I'm getting dangerously close to losing interest in this whole thing... oh well I tried.

[Mysticaly]

Originally posted by Operator.SF:
I'm getting dangerously close to losing interest in this whole thing... oh well I tried.

Meto m8, but that's what they hope for is'nt it?
So let's stay in for a while longer, and if there's no news shortly, let's just give em a last fight and then get the he@@ out of here, to newer return again.

[SteveLord8]

So what does a an Ubi CM do besides surf and moderate the forums (despite volunteers that do it already), and send questions up the chain once in a while, only to come back to us with "nothing yet."

I really want to know...and if the job is enjoyed or not. Because right now, it doesn't sound like there's a lot to it.

I see Guild Wars reps and their CM conversing with players on multiple forums, playing and answering questions in and out of the game.

Granted, one game is a great success and the other is a great annoyance...but I mean really...why isn't there more than a shred of information on what's going on with this game?

In 4 months, the most we have is that a patch "may" be in the works or something? How do you all communicate with eachother? Carrier pidgeons? Post-Its stuck to turtles? Binary?

I think it took less time for Christopher Columbus to send word back that he discovered "the new world."

Im not trying to be rude, but I really want to know what a Community Manager position at Ubisoft entails.

[Syrfer]

Originally posted by Un-Deux:
What empty promises? I've promised to find out what's going on. I've promised nothing beyond my grasp.

When Deux showed up I thought we were going to see a significant change and I was in complete support of his effort to make something happen. That was 2 weeks ago. I don't understand the length of time this process is taking. I'm sure everyone here would be very interested to know what has been done up to this point and what results have been received so far. Good or bad.

At this point the only success has been in pacifying the crowd. I see little else changing.

Wish I could say otherwise but there is a lack of evidence to support such a wish.

[RAZE_672]

I see Guild Wars reps and their CM conversing with players on multiple forums, playing and answering questions in and out of the game.

If Ubi operated like NC soft/arena net then Vegas would have been rocking a long time ago. Vegas would have been patched beyond the expectations of even the most contentious malcontents. You really get the impression that everyone at Guild Wars -- even the suits that make all the decisions -- actually play the game themselves.
(even mesmers know that much http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif)

Community moderaters here get too much blame for what isn't being done here. Their job doesn't involve making any decisions but in relaying our concerns and complaints to the people that do. Sure they could be more chatty, but why bother if they've nothing to report. I can pass the time while im gaming elsewhere.

[Mysticaly]

Deux said within a couple of weeks, as I've said before I give hem 3 weeks of my silence while he is working on getting the information for us...

After these 3 weeks have expired I will do my part to let people know exactly how UBI chooses to ignore there customers (many lojal for years and years), This basically means I will post a article around on various gaming communities I have access to (now about 3000 registered users, and a whole bunch of visitors) this will possibly cause a circulation of UBI's reputation and might actually reach quite a few people..

True gamers will not buy titles from a company with such a bad reputation, I will do my very best to keep the "topics" open and discussed so that more and more users will be avoiding UBI titles in the future...

I will also do my very best to make shacknews (or similar sites) do a story about this, if I give them enough background material and refer to various forum posts, users and etc. I would probably succeed...

I know that UBI won't care one bit about this, they are to busy earning quick money, so busy that they in-fact fail to see more than a few months ahead..

So not only do UBI ignore there customers, but they actually ignore there investors interests as well (earning money for a long while, not just for a year or two), and therefore UBI are ignoring there own best interests .

My conclusion of it all is that we are not worth **** for UBI, and that's not my idea of it all, but it's the hard fact that ubi are telling us by simply ignoring simple requests.. UBI had a chance to keep the game alive by simply telling what features the next patch will include, but they have chosen silence and just because of that more and more people are finding other games to play...No wonder really, let's say my clan (8-9 players) all bought RSV in hope of it turning out to be a nice clan game.... We have until now gotten four patches, which none have made the game clanfriendlyer... Now the last patch where released 31st of January, now four months later there is no word about any of the features the next patch might have.. seriously as a clan leader what else can I do than find another game for our clan to play and to just throw RSV where it belongs (in the garbage bin, at least in current state with a "clan view"�)..

To finish it off.
Even tough I have chosen to be silent when Deux are working to get hold of information, my view of UBI has not changed one bit, I still find there latest FPS attempts to be nothing less than patetic, and there support to be nothing less than tragic.... I also find UBI to probably be the most arrogant organization I have ever experienced, it's like they live on there own planet and seriously can not understand our language or something.


EDIT: Deux came trough as can be showned in another thread made by Deux, thanks allot deux

[Syrfer]

Deux came through as promised and a lot has been asked of us and our patience in the process.

Regardless, thanks Deux for delivering what you said you would.

And as many others have said, the timeframe of this entire process is very difficult to understand and justify from any rational person's point of view. Especially the consumer's and the gaming enthusiast's point of view.

GGs. NR.

[Avotus]

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[SteveLord8]

Originally posted by RAZE_672:
[QUOTE]
Community moderaters here get too much blame for what isn't being done here. Their job doesn't involve making any decisions but in relaying our concerns and complaints to the people that do. Sure they could be more chatty, but why bother if they've nothing to report. I can pass the time while im gaming elsewhere.

Then what does their job entail? I really want to know.

Moderate a forum and shoot an email off to a developer once in a while? That consumes 8 hours a day, 5 days a week for the past nearly 3 months?

Here's the description for the ASSISTANT CM at Blizzard.
http://www.blizzard.com/jobopp/assistant-community-manager.shtml

I know companies do their own things differnt, but geez...this looks pretty busy just for the sidekick spot.