Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter delayed until Feb 2006

[UbiRazz]

Just got this through from my PR team:

London, UKâ€" OCTOBER 7, 2005 â€" Today Ubisoft, one of the world’s largest video game publishers, is pleased to announce that it has decided to devote additional time to perfect the next installment in its award-winning squad-based military shooter, Tom Clancy’s Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighterâ"ž¢. The game will launch worldwide for the Xbox 360â"ž¢ video game and entertainment system from Microsoft in February 2006. The additional time devoted to the development of this title will allow Ubisoft to offer gamers the best episode ever of the award-winning Tom Clancy’s Ghost Recon franchise and will enable the game’s development teams to optimize the application of Xbox 360â"ž¢ technology. The delay of the release date will not impact Ubisoft’s revenue forecasts for the fiscal year.

At the X05 event in Amsterdam earlier this week, Ubisoft astounded attendees with playable single- and multi-player demonstrations of the thrilling new title. Tom Clancy’s Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighterâ"ž¢ was extremely well received by event participants, and Ubisoft expects the game to quickly become a blockbuster title.

“In Tom Clancy’s Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighterâ"ž¢, players will be able to truly immerse themselves as soldiers of the future,â€Â� said Tony Kee, vice president of marketing at Ubisoft North America. “This game will continue the tradition of setting the bar for intense multiplayer action and cutting-edge technology. X05 attendees experienced the stunning results of the work Ubisoft’s award-winning studios have done in perfecting innovative multiplayer content and taking advantage of next-generation capabilities.â€Â�

About Tom Clancy’s Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighterâ"ž¢:

The face of war has changed. Enemy lines blur and there is no longer a clear opponent. New enemies and new threats require a new type of warfare - a new type of soldier. Enter the Ghosts. In 2013, the U.S. Army will implement the Integrated Warfighter System (IWS) evolving what we know as the modern soldier. IWS combines advanced weapon systems, satellite communication devices and enhanced survivability into one fully integrated combat system. The IWS program has been developed to meet these new threats head on. Now, it can be tested on the battlefield. Following an insurgence in the heart of Mexico City, the U.S. Army’s most elite Special Forces team is deployed to the center of the conflict to regain control of the city. Greatly outnumbered but fully equipped with the IWS, this elite team is the first and last line of defense on the battlefield. They are the “quietâ€Â� professionals. They are the Ghosts.

[XyZspineZyX]

I have mixed feelings on this news, on one hand im dissapointed in the delay but on the other pleased they are taking the time to ensure the game is as good as it can be.

[jab-xxxx]

Make no mistake, the delay was not announced so that they could "perfect" the game. The delay was announced because the game isn't even close to being complete. They're a terribly inefficient squad of game devs.

[BIGOLHEAD]

I'm with ms-kleaneasy. Happy and sad about this. After some of the videos I have seen I would say overall they are doing the right thing.

[x PI KAPP 168 x]

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif This is so stupid! Why is it so hard for this company to get things right? Sadly there reputation for making games is going down hill! This constant disappointment to there customers is growing old. I preordered this game, I am nowing taking this money and putting it to a more reliable publisher. Sadly, they have no concept of how bad there reputation is. Here is a hint: DON'T OFFER A LAUNCH DATE IF YOU CAN'T REACH YOUR GOAL!
These guys need to get it right on Feb 06 or its over.

Hey why don't you guys try do something right and release some new content for simmit strike. Maybe that way you can salvage some of your soon to be dead fan base.

[ollie3856]

I've got mixed feelings too...am looking forward to it, I only hope that the extra time actually makes a difference to how the game plays when it is released (cough cough...can anyone say lockdown?)

[BIGOLHEAD]

Originally posted by ollie3856:
I've got mixed feelings too...am looking forward to it, I only hope that the extra time actually makes a difference to how the game plays when it is released (cough cough...can anyone say lockdown?)

I'm sure it will make a huge difference. We are talking about 4 months of work here. I'm sure the graphics and everything else will get a nice upgrade.

This was a good choice IMO. I say good job to the devs for not rushing it out for launch.

[Cons72]

Originally posted by BIGOLHEAD:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ollie3856:
I've got mixed feelings too...am looking forward to it, I only hope that the extra time actually makes a difference to how the game plays when it is released (cough cough...can anyone say lockdown?)

I'm sure it will make a huge difference. We are talking about 4 months of work here. I'm sure the graphics and everything else will get a nice upgrade.

This was a good choice IMO. I say good job to the devs for not rushing it out for launch. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The fear I think a lot of people have is that Lockdown was delayed what, 6 months give or take, and they released a game that the vast majority of the fans of the RB6 series hate.

So there is no guarantee that after a 3 month delay, we will get a game we like. As a matter of fact, this game is following EXACTLY in the mold of Lockdown.

Well, close anyway. Lockdown (originally a March release) was first delayed a month, then till June/July, then finally released in September. Everyone said great, they are taking their time to get it right. Then it came out and nearly everyone hated it.

So, with that history, expect a game you hate to arrive on store shelves in may. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

[BIGOLHEAD]

I see what you're saying. Could be that they pulled people off of that rainbow 6 game to work on GRAW, ya never know.

I think the R6 games are terrible on xbox. Way to arcade imo.

But that's besides the point....I guess we can just hope for the best with GRAW.

[Redpaw_360]

Fix ALL the bugs, add buildings, give us tunnels and caves, fix the friends list, play test the game with real gamertag gamers, check 6 times for glitches, make the edges of cliffs where you can step off them and die finally, dump the invisible walls around depths and certain textures, make the bushes turn slightly transparent when you look through them ( like looking outside from inside your house, you don't focus on the screen or window blocking your view ) and most of all.....FIX THE **** AI, a silent sniper that fires once and then moves should not be bum rushed by the entire map of AI at once....or even at all.

and one more thing, BLOOD. BLOOD splatters, blood spills, blood trails that lead to the guy you wounded.......

and the last thing....dump the women working at UBI & Redstorm that want this to be a tamed down version and run & gun....Women don't have the desire to push the envelope, this is a adult system paid for BY ADULTS that understand what WE WANT......

AND FINALLY.......don't insult our intelligence with months later patches, and they only fix what your willing to fix....

[Vipx64]

Yeah, Im disappointed I cant play it when I get a xbox 360 on xmas...but then the latest videos werent making it looks too good. Fix it, make good, make it a blockbuster. The wait Better be worth it. I dont mind the weight as long as its good. Looks like im gonna have to get Call of duty 2 now...

[SlipStreamBRO]

I preordered R6:Lockdown. Then I read that it was made into a more "Hollywood" type of shooter. I withdrew my preorder.

I frickin' read Tom Clancy Novels because they are Fiction with SUBSTANCE/Somewhat Accurate. They aren't like Die Hard movies, or Rambo.

I played Ubi games cause of Red Storm's commitment to making simulations that are unmatched within the console gaming world. WTF are you doing something like this for now?? If Ubi/Red Storm adopted the R6:Lockdown stategy to developing this Ghost Recon Title they'll never get another penny of my $.

I think writing Tom Clancy about this would be the best thing to do. I'm sure he won't want his name associated with it if it is more Hollywood than Sim.

The game was Hollywood enough as it was, since it was like walking around in a Movie set instead of a real Jungle/Desert (i.e. not being able to shoot thru bushes, walk up hills, climb rocks, etc).

[XyZspineZyX]

Originally posted by Cons72:
The fear I think a lot of people have is that Lockdown was delayed what, 6 months give or take, and they released a game that the vast majority of the fans of the RB6 series hate.


Its not that they dont like it, the game is awesome well online anyway, that is of course if you dont get problems with the extensive bugs it has. I never thought i would see the day a game had more issues than the original GR did but with Lockdown thats what we have.

Ive stopped playing it online until the problems are fixed

[Redpaw_360]

Ms Kleaneasy - I've been around these forums for a while under a different poster name, we have shared many of the same opinion and once again it seems we will again.....

BUT !!, I'm on LIVE and I ask gamers and most if not ALL of the gamers consistently claim the RB Lockdown is horrible....yes Horrible. The game has very few fine points that are not outweighed by the failures.....to go back to the basics of what sold the original title so well.

Gameplay, then depth of gameplay, then amount of gameplay, then you go after visuals....you don't make a pretty game and then make the game around the pretty graphics which is what most of the last two years of UBI/Redstorm has shown us.

We have all been consistently let down with the RUN & GUN methods of gameplay put into the GR series, we asked for NO third person view...they gave it to us anyways.....we asked for blood...they minimized it......we asked to have huge maps with less choke points....we got the maps...but with choke points that the maps won't allow proper offense and defense....we asked for more unlockables....they made the unlockables as pretty pictures...

We asked for glitch patches....they release a new game with even more.....we still asked for the last patch.....they release a map pack......we ask for the bugs fixed again...here comes summit strike.....we ask for GRAW to dump third person view.....and they wiped out the First person view altogether....

I realize we all have dreams of playing GR series like we used to...but we have a developer and a publisher that listens to sloppy players under 13 to get ideas...instead of the adults that are paying 400 for the ADULT 360 console and get less than a desirable result....then something is going to give.....and most likely it won't be our wallets if they don't listen quick.

[UbiRazz]

It sucks it's delayed, sorry about that but it's just the way it is. The game, as you've heard from X05, is playable, looking pretty good, and is generally stable. We could release this now and let you all play it but instead we'd prefer to make it better and try to make it a game you'd like. You've all spent months making your comments, giving us useful feedback on what you want in the game, and we're taking this on board and try to make it a game that you'd like to play.

[BIGOLHEAD]

Originally posted by UbiRazz:
It sucks it's delayed, sorry about that but it's just the way it is. The game, as you've heard from X05, is playable, looking pretty good, and is generally stable. We could release this now and let you all play it but instead we'd prefer to make it better and try to make it a game you'd like. You've all spent months making your comments, giving us useful feedback on what you want in the game, and we're taking this on board and try to make it a game that you'd like to play.

I say WAY TO GO! I think you guys are doing the right thing for sure! I don't care if it takes 6 more months as long as it's good, it's worth the wait.

On a side note could we get you guys to answer question every now and again on these boards?

Thanks for stopping by and really...I'm glad you guys are taking more time.

[XyZspineZyX]

@ Redpaw i'll be honest i gave up playing it very early on due to the scale of problems, its just impossible to get a game with friends because they keep being dropped and if they do make it in they cant hear you or be heard http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

So that being the case you will most likely have more info on the opinion of players than myself as i didnt stick with it lol

I do like it though (if/when it works) although i have only played the PEC mode, not sure if the 'normal' mode is that different.

But anyway yes im still of mixed feelings on this, feb next yr is a long while off yet so i guess i will enjoy what games we have now and the ones yet to come before then and see how things pan out. We might get what we want we might not but for now i dont think ive got the energy to stress over it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

[RoaringMad Mac]

Fine with me it will just allow me to spend time with Morrowwind Oblivion so I don't spend so much money when 360 first comes out.

[UrbanWolf_UK]

Is the delay for GRAW just the X360 version or does it also applies for the Xbox, Ps2 and Gamecube version as well?

[Jakethejake]

It sucks it's delayed, sorry about that but it's just the way it is. The game, as you've heard from X05, is playable, looking pretty good, and is generally stable. We could release this now and let you all play it but instead we'd prefer to make it better and try to make it a game you'd like. You've all spent months making your comments, giving us useful feedback on what you want in the game, and we're taking this on board and try to make it a game that you'd like to play.


Can you explain exactly how you are going to do this? Give us a bit of info about what you are doing to change this game to make it better for OGR fans. It is general statements like this that serve no purpose without a clarification. What have you read that made you feel that you need to change, and what elements are you actively going to change.

Razz, I'm not picking on you, but you guys need to communicate better. We have screamed and howled for a certain type of game. You build a totally different game, then at the last minute you decide to delay this totally different game. Then you make a very general statement about making this totally different game better for us, and that's it. What exactly is it that you are doing? What are you adding or subtracting? Give us more info.

The people on this and the other GR boards are the lifeblood of Ubi's GR games. There has been some communication in the past, but not enough. If you do communicate with us, give us real tangible info, not part of the story.

The fact that the game is delayed doesn't bother me, and I'm sure most of the others feel the same way. Lockdown was also delayed, and that game was terrible, so just delaying it isn't enough. Give us more info. If you are adding things that you think we want, how about kicking some ideas around here on the forums? We are a vital resource. How about using us?

[XyZspineZyX]

Originally posted by UrbanWolf_UK:
Is the delay for GRAW just the X360 version or does it also applies for the Xbox, Ps2 and Gamecube version as well?

Its all platforms across the board http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

[X_Hamilton_X]

I'm amazed. I've certainly critized Ubi/Redstorm in these forums for releasing the bug ridden GR2, failing to fix those bugs in a patch, and then releasing GR2:SS with the same and new bugs. Delaying a game is a good thing. I wish the game were perfect and ready to ship in November but if it's not, delaying it the right move.

I just wonder why the game was delayed. Was it delayed because Ubi/Redstorm have learned from past mistakes and are making an effort to focus on quality? Or perhaps was it delayed because the game was too far away from completion for even Ubi/Redstorm to push out the door in a wheelchair? If it's the latter, I'm sure it was due to M$ getting the dev kits out late. Oh well. We won't really know until the game releases. If it releases with the usual Ubi bugs then there's been no change in Ubi's publishing policy.

[EStoner]

Don't worry guys. They just need this extra time to make the game better. Then when the game comes out there will be a patch released shortly to fix all the problems.

[DETHBLOW_V]

Maybe they should get some of us to Beta test the game for them.

[splinterz_2]

I think delaying a game is a good thing..
4 months isn't long man, but I think they should atleast give us a trailer to ease the pain http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

[UbiRazz]

Originally posted by Jakethejake:
Can you explain exactly how you are going to do this? Give us a bit of info about what you are doing to change this game to make it better for OGR fans. It is general statements like this that serve no purpose without a clarification. What have you read that made you feel that you need to change, and what elements are you actively going to change.

Razz, I'm not picking on you, but you guys need to communicate better. We have screamed and howled for a certain type of game. You build a totally different game, then at the last minute you decide to delay this totally different game. Then you make a very general statement about making this totally different game better for us, and that's it. What exactly is it that you are doing? What are you adding or subtracting? Give us more info.

The people on this and the other GR boards are the lifeblood of Ubi's GR games. There has been some communication in the past, but not enough. If you do communicate with us, give us real tangible info, not part of the story.

The fact that the game is delayed doesn't bother me, and I'm sure most of the others feel the same way. Lockdown was also delayed, and that game was terrible, so just delaying it isn't enough. Give us more info. If you are adding things that you think we want, how about kicking some ideas around here on the forums? We are a vital resource. How about using us?
Unfortunately it's not possible right now to go into specifics, mainly because I don't know, but please realise that game development is a very, very fluid process and we try to be careful not to promise things we can't do. So we could say that the delay is due to X, Y, and Z being planned but then Y is dropped later, then when the game is released we log onto the forums to find huge flames due to everyone being grump that Y was dropped.

[Jakethejake]

Unfortunately it's not possible right now to go into specifics, mainly because I don't know, but please realise that game development is a very, very fluid process and we try to be careful not to promise things we can't do. So we could say that the delay is due to X, Y, and Z being planned but then Y is dropped later, then when the game is released we log onto the forums to find huge flames due to everyone being grump that Y was dropped.


Hi Razz. Thanks for the reply.

As it stands right now, myself and a lot of others have lost all faith that Ubi will do right by us with this game. Lockdown and GR2 are still fresh in our minds, and the fact that the 360 and PC versions of GRAW are being built by totally different studios does not bode well. This game has not won me over. But you still have time. So people will complain. Who cares? The good faith of sharing ideas and directions for this game will far outweight the negatives, if this communities' ideas are solicited and implemented. It shows that you (Ubi) care. Right now, a lot of us don't believe that.

I'm sure you have noticed a growing undertone of negativity as to the direction of this franchise. You guys have the power to totally reverse this, but it will take a change in how you do business. Work with us, I gaurentee that you'll get the results that you are looking for. Nike consults world class runners before they build a new shoe, why would you guys not want our input when building a game?

[WDA_Bigbolloc_s]

#Yet another year goes by where ubi kick gamers in the ribs no change there then seems you still cant sort stuff not only did you let the pc community down with gr2 now looks like we are gonna get a carbon copy for gr3 all in favour of pleasing the console games, guess you forgot pc gamers made ubi what it is we were here long b4 your console releases but guess that dont stand for much nowdays its all about money to you.

[X_Hamilton_X]

Getting rid of the game-built-by-committee syndrome would be a great start. Ditto dumping your focus/playtesting groups of 10-15 year olds and their mothers. Reclaim your place with the hardcore gamer/military shooter crowd and be proud. Don't shy away from making a challenging or complex game because you lose the special education and attention deficit disorder demographic market share. Don't worry about the politicians and retailers if you put the blood back in. You've got GTA and others taking up their attention anyway. Walmart will sell anything that makes money.

This series has gotten ripped of late in reviews due to poor AI and a dumbed-down single-player game. Stop trying to be a game for everybody - it ends up being rather bland and nothing special. We like our GR spicy.

[XyZspineZyX]

Originally posted by X_Hamilton_X:
Ditto dumping your focus/playtesting groups of 10-15 year olds and their mothers.

Umm Im one of those mothers, As well as being a hardcore gamer http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

[X_Hamilton_X]

Originally posted by ms-kleaneasy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by X_Hamilton_X:
Ditto dumping your focus/playtesting groups of 10-15 year olds and their mothers.

Umm Im one of those mothers, As well as being a hardcore gamer http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
You aren't going to convince me you EVER wrote to Ubi/Red Storm or posted on these forums asking for simpler gameplay, easier/dumber AI, and less/no blood or gore so your child could enjoy the game too.

I'd support a gore/no gore option on the menu screen with a parental lock that so many other games have but personally I'd like to see the game remain targetted to adults. The younger crowd have plenty of games (Halo 2) to pick from.

[RoaringMad Mac]

I can vouche for her being a hardcore gamer even though she will never send me a friend invite to play LOL http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

[Rox]

I'm very disappointed. I really hoped to play the game by the 360 launch. It was the title I looked forward to the most. The game looks and (according to the previews) feels good. Really hope that the delay will make it an absolute must have for the die-hard 360 gamers.

[XyZspineZyX]

Originally posted by X_Hamilton_X:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ms-kleaneasy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by X_Hamilton_X:
Ditto dumping your focus/playtesting groups of 10-15 year olds and their mothers.

Umm Im one of those mothers, As well as being a hardcore gamer http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
You aren't going to convince me you EVER wrote to Ubi/Red Storm or posted on these forums asking for simpler gameplay, easier/dumber AI, and less/no blood or gore so your child could enjoy the game too.

I'd support a gore/no gore option on the menu screen with a parental lock that so many other games have but personally I'd like to see the game remain targetted to adults. The younger crowd have plenty of games (Halo 2) to pick from. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think you misunderstand what i was saying. My point was that as a mother of 2 the eldest 11 i do not run around begging them not to produce games with blood in them in fact both my children play all the games in the GR series
So basically dont assume all 10-15 yr olds want run and gun and that there mums are petitioning for no blood, cus you might be surprised to find most of us are with you on what we want from this game http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

@ Roaring http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
Ill send you a friend invite if you want one http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

[UbiRazz]

Originally posted by Jakethejake:
Work with us, I gaurentee that you'll get the results that you are looking for. Nike consults world class runners before they build a new shoe, why would you guys not want our input when building a game?
But we do, that's my job http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Every week I send reports internally at Ubisoft with what people are saying for our games, including what you lot are saying about GRAW. When something major kicks off (like this) I write up detailed reports specific to what's happened and feedback.

[The_Biggy]

I’ve been a Tom Clancy games fan since the first Rainbow Six on PC. Bought them all, played them all until Athena Sword. Got on the GR PC series when GR Dessert Siege came out. Again, bought them all, played them all.

I remember having to download patches because of bugs and errors. I remember the community always complained that they should take more time before releasing a product to make sure it’s of high quality.

I switch to Xbox because of having to always get patches, cheating and always having to upgrade my PC to run the games and not to be at a disadvantage hardware & software wise. On XBOX, no constant hardware upgrades needed. The cheating is not “as badâ€Â� but it’s still there (turbo controller, glitches and software like action replay).

I started my XBOX RS playing with RS3. For XBOX GR it was GR2. Not the best way to introduce me to GR on XBOX…. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


But we do, that's my job http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Every week I send reports internally at Ubisoft with what people are saying for our games, including what you lot are saying about GRAW. When something major kicks off (like this) I write up detailed reports specific to what's happened and feedback.

Ubirazz,

One of the things I read constantly here is that the community complained and complained about 3rd person view vs 1st person view on the original GR. It’s seems the PC guys heard what the community wanted for the PC version of GR:AW…. So you are saying the community preferred 3rd person view for GR:AW on 360 ?

What are are all the post about having first person view then? What are the "Coke/Ghost Recon Classic" sigs about? (like mine)

Again, we are telling you RIGHT HERE we want something different from GR2. We (XBOX players) want what we had in the original GR....

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/3291043913/m/8391012463

Before I go off the subject I wanted to concentrate on hehe…. I support delays when it’s to make the game better. BUT, let’s look at the history here….

GR2 comes out. Bugs, RED X, friends list, needed enhancements etc… It took a long time before getting that update… Made the game “a bitâ€Â� better.

The PC community waiting patiently for GR2 PC…. It never came… With Ubi saying


We did not want to disappoint the loyal Ghost Recon fans, but we did not want to risk releasing a final product that did not meet their high expectations. With the launch of Ghost Recon 3 planned for Winter 2005, significant human resources were needed to ensure the quality of the future instalment of the series, thus potentially jeopardizing the quality of either Ghost Recon 2 PC or Ghost Recon 3. Taking into account their close release dates, and the fact that we felt the third opus would be a much more satisfying and evolved gaming experience, we were forced to conclude that it was in the interest of gamers for us to cancel the PC version of Ghost Recon 2. But Ghost Recon 3 on PC will hit shelves the fourth quarter of 2005, so the wait won’t be long, and will definitely be worth it."

That was a slap in the face but again, I thought it made sense. But Ubi is testing our patience…. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


Then GR2 Summit Strike comes along to keep us busy until GR:AW

Both PC and XBOX communities can’t wait for GR:AW… But what’s this? ANOTHER DELAY? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

So think about this:

- GR2 was a bad experience for XBOX
- No GR2 for PC. How can GR:AW not be ready for PC….?
- GR:AW was supposed to be a launch title for 360….

So yes,


It sucks it's delayed, sorry about that but it's just the way it is. The game, as you've heard from X05, is playable, looking pretty good, and is generally stable. We could release this now and let you all play it but instead we'd prefer to make it better and try to make it a game you'd like. You've all spent months making your comments, giving us useful feedback on what you want in the game, and we're taking this on board and try to make it a game that you'd like to play.

But don’t you think we have been more then patient….? I would suggest you put in your reports that Ubi's and the devs management need to look into how projects are being managed… Because something is simply not right…

[WhiteKnight77]

Originally posted by ms-kleaneasy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by X_Hamilton_X:
Ditto dumping your focus/playtesting groups of 10-15 year olds and their mothers.

Umm Im one of those mothers, As well as being a hardcore gamer http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You are the exception unfortunately.

[Blitzkrieg-SS]

If they delay the game for 3 months it better not turn out the way that Lockdown did.

[UbiRazz]

Originally posted by The_Biggy:
One of the things I read constantly here is that the community complained and complained about 3rd person view vs 1st person view on the original GR. It’s seems the PC guys heard what the community wanted for the PC version of GR:AW…. So you are saying the community preferred 3rd person view for GR:AW on 360 ?

What are are all the post about having first person view then? What are the "Coke/Ghost Recon Classic" sigs about? (like mine)

Again, we are telling you RIGHT HERE we want something different from GR2. We (XBOX players) want what we had in the original GR....
Please understand that this forum, and you guys, are not the only place we go for feedback. To put it down to basics: in general, PC gamers didn't want the third person view so it was removed, console gamers wanted it. The Internet, and this forum in particular, isn't really representative of all Ghost Recon fans.


- GR2 was a bad experience for XBOX
Not really, it done rather well and is/was quite popular.

- No GR2 for PC. How can GR:AW not be ready for PC….?
GR2 PC was not developed by GRIN and they have requested more time, so it's not ready.

- GR:AW was supposed to be a launch title for 360….
Yep, it was planned that way. It's not now http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

But don’t you think we have been more then patient….? I would suggest you put in your reports that Ubi's and the devs management need to look into how projects are being managed… Because something is simply not right…
Yes, I think you've all been very patient (the PC community in particular) but if it's not ready then it's not ready.

[Rox]

Originally posted by UbiRazz:
Please understand that this forum, and you guys, are not the only place we go for feedback. To put it down to basics: in general, PC gamers didn't want the third person view so it was removed, console gamers wanted it. The Internet, and this forum in particular, isn't really representative of all Ghost Recon fans.
Off course this isn't your only place to gather feedback, but it is the most easy one AND the one with the most long-time gr players. On top of that it is your own forum. I mean, how more obvious do you want it. The fans come here (or on one of the fansites linked from the gamepage) to talk about all kinds of stuff (game-related).



Not really, it done rather well and is/was quite popular.
It certainly is an amusing game. I still have a lot of fun with it. But it's also true that the players from OGR feel a little abandoned (correct spelling?, not a native speaker here :P), because GR2 is more a game to pick up and just play, instead of the in-depth action of OGR. (In my opinion is that a good thing, but ey, can't have it all http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif)


Yep, it was planned that way. It's not now http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Too bad, you're making it harder for yourself. In the launch-window most people just buy a game that looks interesting to play, whilst in the period after that, most consumers wait to read reviews or get a good impression from the game. And the period right after the launch-window seems to be a bit crowded http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[XyZspineZyX]

Originally posted by Rox:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
Yep, it was planned that way. It's not now http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Too bad, you're making it harder for yourself. In the launch-window most people just buy a game that looks interesting to play, whilst in the period after that, most consumers wait to read reviews or get a good impression from the game. And the period right after the launch-window seems to be a bit crowded http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

From the above it sounds like you think it would be ok for Ubi to release GRAW on 360 launch as a sub standard game because those buying the 360 wont be paying much attention to the pre game feedback!
Where as thereafter it would have to be a above average title.

I thought we all wanted an above average title anyway? (and some more) are you really happy to settle for a sub standard title just so you can have it next month?

Dont get me wrong we all know its possible after the wait we still dont get the game we want, and im as annoyed as the next we have to wait but i dont see how expecting them to release a game which they clearly admit isnt ready solves anything

[Rox]

Originally posted by ms-kleaneasy:
From the above it sounds like you think it would be ok for Ubi to release GRAW on 360 launch as a sub standard game because those buying the 360 wont be paying much attention to the pre game feedback!
Where as thereafter it would have to be a above average title.

I thought we all wanted an above average title anyway? (and some more) are you really happy to settle for a sub standard title just so you can have it next month?

Dont get me wrong we all know its possible after the wait we still dont get the game we want, and im as annoyed as the next we have to wait but i dont see how expecting them to release a game which they clearly admit isnt ready solves anything

From what I've seen so far the game looks **** good and ready to roll. Singleplayer is looking awesome and multiplayer looking fine. Off course I want an above average game, but all the people who played the game said it rocked http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

And unfortunately most Tom Clancy games are not completely bug-free at launch (GR2, GR2 SS, Rainbow Six 3 for pc). So, I wonder where's the problem then, because most small bugs are survivable (although not good for Ubi's reputation). Gameplay wise there's nothing wrong with the mentioned game, it's pure fine-tuning. But,there's nothing we can do besides waiting (and hoping for some :9). And off course one target for Ubi is profit from this game. And I think that's easier near the 360 launch.

[BIGOLHEAD]

Originally posted by UbiRazz:
Please understand that this forum, and you guys, are not the only place we go for feedback. To put it down to basics: in general, PC gamers didn't want the third person view so it was removed, console gamers wanted it. The Internet, and this forum in particular, isn't really representative of all Ghost Recon fans.

I'm a IGN member and I asked everyone what they wanted this is what they said:

Poll question:

If you had any of these view options for the new Ghost Recon what would you prefer?

This is what I got.

50% - 1st person with Gun showing

7% - 1st person no gun showing (Like the Original)

25% - 3rd person like Ghost Recon 2

17% - 3rd person with a close-up "Over the Shoulder" zoom (Newer GRAW videos)

Halo is the best selling Xbox game ever and it's....1st person. Not that anyone wants another Halo but that's not there point here.

[XyZspineZyX]

@ Rox, the truth is what we have seen looks awesome, but what havnt we seen?

Lets be real here if this was your block buster game of the yr would you showcase the bits that werent ready? of course not.

So yes what we have seen looks good but that doesnt mean its ready (as much as we would want it to be)

And as i said before dont get me wrong im as annoyed as the next, i was seriously considering cancelling my 360 pre order (although decided against it) and know many many others who either already have cancelled or are considering so we know the delay is a big deal but consider it carefully, IF GRAW being delayed is causing people to consider cancelling there pre order its fair to say MS were not best pleased at the delay either, Now would you as the dev p*ss MS off just because you felt like holding out a bit longer?

There must be a good reason, theres too much at stake for there not to be, in which case i will along with everyone else wait

*EDIT and dont forget the playable version which was seen at X05 would have been on dev/ debug kits, thats not a final version and can be as little or as much as the dev decides to let the gamer see

[Rox]

True, I can stick with you on all fronts, but there's a nasty smell around it.

E3, X05, all was good, new footage, impressive, X05 confirmed that they were aiming for an november/december launch, reactions were good and suddenly, one week after X05, GRAW delayed till february.

[The_Biggy]

I agree with you all. I would rather wait to have a better final product.

But since GR2 it's been wayting over wayting over wayting...

When Ubi says available by X. They should be able to deliver by X. They are not newbs at this... They should be able to manage their projects to better meet their deadlines.

This includes picking devs companies that can produce the product at the expected quality...

Also, why 2 dev companies? Why not pick one that can handle both? The logistics of coordinating with both must be crazy http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[TW_The_GRID]

So I wonder how definate the relesase date for Feb. will be.

I just want a game that dosent have major bugs that were not worked out like when then they obviously rushed Summit Srtike. I mean you got to admit when you put a game in and the first thing you have to do is to figure out how to get it to play is anoying. I am ver disapointed in the last 2 releases of UBI.

[jlk1967]

Simply had to come on to these forums and post my dismay at the release of GRAW being delayed.

I think dismay is probably too kind a term for my feelings right now. Having been amongst a number of other xbox gamers who really thought that GR2 was a brilliant concept but probably the most awful piece of programming I have ever seen. I cannot believe that Ubi take any notice of what anyone says at any point in time. I posted regarding a number of known issues on GR2 and surprisngly enough not a single sensible post has been put through to the FAQ forums, why? well because they never fixed any of it.

Ubi and it's programmers should be hung out to dry, permanently, if I ran a business in the manner that they do then I would have been bankrupt 20 years ago. FYI Lockdown by all accounts is also an excellent example of the rubbish that Ubi have been producing of late. It is awful, and I am a member of a clan of some 150 people in the UK alone who, in the majority, think that the game is ....well I cant say what I want but it is beyond BAD.

After GR2 I left Ubi games alone, in their entirity, vowing not to come back because of their complete inability to provide me woth something I have paid for, a game that works! Talk about not fit for the purpose, then talk about GR2. Then I heard about GRAW, saw the advertorials etc. and thought, HEY! ubi have got their act together at last and we have a winner here......

Now we hear that GRAW is being delayed to make it better, complete and utter rubbish! It is being delayed due to the continued incompetence of Ubi and its developers to produce what they promise, and I say again someone somewhere within that company needs to get a hold on the cr*p that is being produced and throw it out, give the shareholders their money back and just leave the gaming arena for good. Better still just go away and leave us to play real games that work and deliver what they promise.

I am as you are no doubt aware by now, absolutely insensed by this announcement, I will now be cancelling my advance order, not only of GRAW but also the 360 and letting microsoft know why, because of the incompetent fools they have as partners in ubisoft. I have worked in IT developing systems and programs for over 12 years now, and what Ubi are doing is simply ridiculous. They are quite simply incapable of developing anything to spec, or to order, let alone on time, so good riddance to bad rubbish is all I can say. Sorry for not being eloquent with this but hey, I work for a living and do well at it, am able to meet targets, deadlines, specs and budgets, yet UBI a worldwide organisation cant seem to get a **** thing right.

Don't think I'll be buying any more UBI games, and I'll do my utmost to make sure that how I feel is heard by anyone and everyone I come across, get rid, boycott the lot of it, it aint worth spitting on in a fire.

Ubi just give us an honest answer for once and tell us that you have cocked it all up again and cant deliver because you cant. Then tell microsoft what a bunch of losers you are and just go away. I suggest your programmers get themselves jobs they are more capable of, like collecting rubbish! (They certainly seem to be able to make enough of it!)

Thankyou for completely ruining what I optimistically thought would be a great launch of the 360 with a great game to play!

[BIGOLHEAD]

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif ^ Wow you're really mad.

[X_Hamilton_X]

Originally posted by TW_The_GRID:
So I wonder how definate the relesase date for Feb. will be.

I just want a game that dosent have major bugs that were not worked out like when then they obviously rushed Summit Srtike. I mean you got to admit when you put a game in and the first thing you have to do is to figure out how to get it to play is anoying. I am ver disapointed in the last 2 releases of UBI.

I wouldn't hold my breath. Feb. is a notoriously slow month for game releases given that most people are trying to recover from overspending during the Christmas season. The only hope you have for February, IF the game is even ready, is if Ubi decides that the 360 sold enough units at launch and 360 owners are willing to fork over the money in February. If the 360 doesn't sell as many units as M$ and Ubi hopes, Ubi may sit on GR3 until the Spring/Summer (maybe even next Fall) when more people own 360's and have money to spend.

[X_Hamilton_X]

Originally posted by UbiRazz:
Please understand that this forum, and you guys, are not the only place we go for feedback. To put it down to basics: in general, PC gamers didn't want the third person view so it was removed, console gamers wanted it. The Internet, and this forum in particular, isn't really representative of all Ghost Recon fans.


I'm very curious as to where you do go to get that data. I've never been surveyed at home via phone, email, or Xbox Live nor have I ever heard of from any of my Live friends (whom I've been playing with since OGR launched) that they were surveyed. What do you do, walk out the door of Red Storm in NC and set up Xboxes/PC's for passing kids to play and then survey them? That's not very representative either.

[UbiRazz]

We have a dept in Ubisoft who deals exclusively with things like that, unfortunately I don't have details of where they get their information but I know they do a lot of offline and online work for research. Including forums like this.

[texasironhorse]

You must be a noob at gaming. Every game designer posts a release date then pushes it back. I guess you'll just quit buying games, or at least good games if you want to put your money to a better publisher. I agree that they need to bring downloadable content to Summit Strike.

[maverick2605]

these people at ubi are a bunch of ******* all together first they say that graw will come out on november 2005 then there is an delay because of the x-box? give us a ******* break here.
who are you kidding gr2 didn't show now you're trying the same **** again give us the pc version!!!
if you guys at ubi can't programm a good sequel to gr then what are you doing at ubi's find another job and let some real pro's do all the F****** work and get this game to the public, get your act toghether. get a move on, there are people here who are willing to give you money for a game , or are you forgetting that we are the reason that you even have a job, this is bussines you are losing your costemers this way.
If i was running the compagny someone better come with a ****ed good story why i am losing my costemers and why i'm losing my money.

You now say feb. 2006, you better b right cause a lot of people are losing temper over this joke and i think that you've already lost your good name.

[X_Hamilton_X]

TeamXbox has published a hands-on impression of the game. They are critical of the bait-and-switch Ubi pulled with the E3 CGI that was presented as real game footage and what Ubi showed and allowed them to play within the last few weeks.

Here's an excerpt followed by the link. Note the "more action-oriented feel than the early games of the series" quote. I don't think this is going to make OGR fans happy.


Entitled Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter, it appeared as though this might be the must-have launch title for the Xbox 360, as Ubisoft very rarely comes up short in its offerings. Six months later, reality has set in…Advanced Warfighter has been pushed back to a February 2006 release, and the game itself doesn’t appear to be as next-gen as we all had hoped. That’s not to say the game won’t kick ***, but just get those uber-rendered visuals we saw during the trailers out of your head.

X05 was the first time we had a chance to put Advanced Warfighter through some early paces, and though only about 60% complete, the game will feel familiar to players of the Ghost Recon 2 games. In all actuality, it plays and looks like a higher-res version of the previous games, complete with the third-person over-the-shoulder vantage point and a more action-oriented feel than the early games of the series.
TeamXbox Impressions (http://previews.teamxbox.com/xbox-360/1215/Tom-Clancys-Ghost-Recon-Advanced-Warfighter/p1/)

[XyZspineZyX]

@ Hamilton i would say that proves its how you play the game that dictates how tactical or run and gun it is, my reason for saying that is .......


Advanced Warfighter was playable in both single and multiplayer modes and although the game play was very smooth, the graphics were a little underwhelming. However this was the first playable build of the game and we can be assured that the guys at Ubi will be spending the time between now and launch to fully optimize the game. I found both portions of the game retained the feeling of the previous Ghost Recon titles and looks like a game that fans of the original will appreciate more compared to GR2. A very advanced (in terms of game play) and a very cool game indeed.

Comments made by Rob Cram of MSXbox after visiting X05, and as you can see his prespective is very different

LINK (http://www.msxbox-world.com/xbox/news/article/3074/X05-Games-Impressions-part-2.html)

[bravo2zero666]

has any one thought about marketing and how ubi just released like 6 games at the end of the quarter and have been planning to release graw in feb. all along to make some money on the next quarter???? makes perfect sense to me. that's what happened to lockdown to and they never even pulled it off the shelf to fix the glitches. i wouldn't expect them to do anything here either other than wait.

[UbiRazz]

Originally posted by bravo2zero666:
has any one thought about marketing and how ubi just released like 6 games at the end of the quarter and have been planning to release graw in feb. all along to make some money on the next quarter???? makes perfect sense to me.
Nope, that makes very little sense. The money made during the Christmas period would completely overwhelm what is made in the first quarter.

[X_Hamilton_X]

Originally posted by UbiRazz:
Nope, that makes very little sense. The money made during the Christmas period would completely overwhelm what is made in the first quarter.
Exactly. So don't be surprised if GR3 doesn't ship in the 1st quarter - the slowest sales quarter of the year. It MIGHT ship but Ubi has to consider the bottom line. There will be more 360's installed next Christmas than in February and people are freer with spending during the 4th quarter. Therefore a higher potential for greater profits exists if the game is held until next Fall. Don't be totally shocked if you don't see this game in February.

[UbiRazz]

So you're thinking we're going to delay it until next Christmas? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

[xTMPxREVELATION]

hey cut these guys some slack......
they havent had the dev kits for very long.
its like trying to say
"oops the world is out of fossil fuels"
"build a hydrogen engine RIGHT NOW"
of course they can draw what they want before they get the kits, but the programming is another world....
everyone knows what Halo 2 was and unfortunatly still is on xbox live........ (I HATE HALO 2)
and it was pushed back a year.... chill for 3 months kids. and PLEASE DO NOT ADD A HALO OR BATTLEFIELD HOP. i have never seen a Army Ghost Jump and hop in a firefight DONT ADD IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I do like the quick climbing i saw in some videos. just no hoping to dodge bullets.
a quick hit the deck button would be nice though

[X_Hamilton_X]

Originally posted by UbiRazz:
So you're thinking we're going to delay it until next Christmas? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif
I wouldn't bet a lot of money on it but it's not beyond the realm of possibility. Other games that missed their original Christmas release have been delayed repeatedly until the next Christmas (Halo 2 for one, I think Half-Life 2 for another). What I don't expect is this game to release in February UNLESS the unusual situation of a new system launch changes the equation. I'm sure if the 360 sells like mad and there's a void in the Xbox Live shooter area (perhaps Call of Duty 2 falls flat or burns out fast) then Ubi might push it out the door. Otherwise, I think Ubi will do the usual and hold the game until at least Spring and quite possibly early Summer. Fall would be a stretch but it's possible.

[jlk1967]

As regard to the earlier post about them being given some slack, that they haven't had the dev kit for long...Sorry but that's rubbish, they have had the dev kit for as long as other game manufacturers / developers and Ubi appears to be the only one who has completely led us up the garden path (yet again!).

Basically they are as useful as a chocolate fireguard and have their 'licence' looked at as they not only cannot meet schedules, they also deliver rubbish. God help the shareholders is all I can say, in fact god help the staff because they cannot continue to keep doing this and remain in business.

PS A friend of mine was playing on a 360 this Monday, he played on Perfect Dark Zero, PGR3 and DOA4, his comments, and I quote

"all i can say is that it's an amazing piece of kit the video trailers online dont do the games justice until you seem them running for real & as for the detail in perfect dark its simply stunning."

Ubi, GRAW had better be good when it comes out in Feb otherwise you will have lost what is already, IMHO, a losing battle to keep people on your side. If only Ubi could be honest enough to tell us the truth for once then maybe we could start believing them. If it is to make it better, then how come others appear to be able to deliver the goods on time and to spec? It must be because your developers are simply incapable, or your management are incapable of managing? Whatever the answer is simple Ubi is incapable!

[texasironhorse]

Is there going to be any blood in GRAW, like they had in the original Ghost Recons? Also are they going to have any new downloads for Summit Strike?


Originally posted by UbiRazz:
Just got this through from my PR team:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">London, UKâ€" OCTOBER 7, 2005 â€" Today Ubisoft, one of the world’s largest video game publishers, is pleased to announce that it has decided to devote additional time to perfect the next installment in its award-winning squad-based military shooter, Tom Clancy’s Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighterâ"ž¢. The game will launch worldwide for the Xbox 360â"ž¢ video game and entertainment system from Microsoft in February 2006. The additional time devoted to the development of this title will allow Ubisoft to offer gamers the best episode ever of the award-winning Tom Clancy’s Ghost Recon franchise and will enable the game’s development teams to optimize the application of Xbox 360â"ž¢ technology. The delay of the release date will not impact Ubisoft’s revenue forecasts for the fiscal year.

At the X05 event in Amsterdam earlier this week, Ubisoft astounded attendees with playable single- and multi-player demonstrations of the thrilling new title. Tom Clancy’s Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighterâ"ž¢ was extremely well received by event participants, and Ubisoft expects the game to quickly become a blockbuster title.

“In Tom Clancy’s Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighterâ"ž¢, players will be able to truly immerse themselves as soldiers of the future,â€Â� said Tony Kee, vice president of marketing at Ubisoft North America. “This game will continue the tradition of setting the bar for intense multiplayer action and cutting-edge technology. X05 attendees experienced the stunning results of the work Ubisoft’s award-winning studios have done in perfecting innovative multiplayer content and taking advantage of next-generation capabilities.â€Â�

About Tom Clancy’s Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighterâ"ž¢:

The face of war has changed. Enemy lines blur and there is no longer a clear opponent. New enemies and new threats require a new type of warfare - a new type of soldier. Enter the Ghosts. In 2013, the U.S. Army will implement the Integrated Warfighter System (IWS) evolving what we know as the modern soldier. IWS combines advanced weapon systems, satellite communication devices and enhanced survivability into one fully integrated combat system. The IWS program has been developed to meet these new threats head on. Now, it can be tested on the battlefield. Following an insurgence in the heart of Mexico City, the U.S. Army’s most elite Special Forces team is deployed to the center of the conflict to regain control of the city. Greatly outnumbered but fully equipped with the IWS, this elite team is the first and last line of defense on the battlefield. They are the “quietâ€Â� professionals. They are the Ghosts. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

[texasironhorse]

I totally agree on the no hopping. It completely ruins a military shooter. I am a die hard recon fan and that would probably kill it for me. What i do miss is the quick drop from the original recons.



Originally posted by xTMPxREVELATION:
hey cut these guys some slack......
they havent had the dev kits for very long.
its like trying to say
"oops the world is out of fossil fuels"
"build a hydrogen engine RIGHT NOW"
of course they can draw what they want before they get the kits, but the programming is another world....
everyone knows what Halo 2 was and unfortunatly still is on xbox live........ (I HATE HALO 2)
and it was pushed back a year.... chill for 3 months kids. and PLEASE DO NOT ADD A HALO OR BATTLEFIELD HOP. i have never seen a Army Ghost Jump and hop in a firefight DONT ADD IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I do like the quick climbing i saw in some videos. just no hoping to dodge bullets.
a quick hit the deck button would be nice though

[NOMADIC1974]

Originally posted by texasironhorse:
I totally agree on the no hopping. It completely ruins a military shooter. I am a die hard recon fan and that would probably kill it for me. What i do miss is the quick drop from the original recons.


Yes I completely agree. I thought the drop and the peek were much better in the first recons - OGR and GRIT.

[DETHBLOW_V]

I am disappointed by the delay.

I pre-ordered 2 games for the Xbox 360. GRAW, and Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion. One to play online with my buddies, and one to play offline by myself. Both have been delayed.

I am willing One LAST Time, to give UBI the benefit of the doubt on a game.

Maybe after all the grief they have been getting on RS4:Lockdown, they decided they had better pull their dung together. Or maybe they decided that they didn't have enough time with the final development kits to ensure that they put out a bug-free game by 360 launch.

Whatever it is, I DO NOT CARE, as long as when it is released it kicks some burro's rear, has few, if any, bugs, and smooth gameplay.

Hell, I have some friends who have been playing this since OGR, and we would love to beta test the 360 version online. (Hint, Hint) http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Quit worrying about the delay, and have some faith. I do.

[chaos_theory16]

Hah, I seen this coming. But, it's most definitely a good thing for two reasons. One, they're improving the game, which I'm sure most people want, and two, my birthday's in Feb. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif I might get lucky and grab myself a game off the shelf. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[eeloc]

UbiRazz, can you please take this to the boardmeeting..............maybe it's time for ubisoft to make a nice gesture, like a free download (xbox 360 marketplace)of a multiplayer map from advance warfighter, on launch-day.
So to get us going for a few weeks and to keep are preorders not being cancelled.
Even if the graphics aren't final, it will give us a feel of the gameplay.
I can't spend my 60 bugs two times......so maybe i switch to call of duty 2.........only your co-op is a killer......so let me know.


thanx,

eel.

[Constantine89]

Dude do you know if they are gonna do split screen still. Cause I see major similarities between Warfighter and the Rainbow six games and those sdont have split screen. Also if you look at the screen shots they made it like you ahve health or whateveron some of them that is. ON otheres there is teh typical green yellow then dead thing. I was wondering what sorta opions you guys had.
-Constantine89

[xTMPxREVELATION]

I know plenty of people that are switching to Battlefield 2 because of one reason.

They dont expect a content download GRaSS.

Maybe software companies should do like the hardware companies and release items on the launches of others software companies items.

I.E. Halo 3 on the launch of PS3?
(dubbed the PS3 Killer)
or that killswitch game
(dubbed the Halo Killer)

Wanna see some Content Downloads, but I dont see it happening so I might just jump over to Battlefield 2. (I personally liked it on PC (except for the hopping))
also isnt BF2 comming out on 360 about the same time as GRAW???
Something for Ubi to ponder if they want customers..
Give us content download or we give Ubi death.
not in a litteral term but you get MY drift at least.

[cg_purge]

why does http://www.xbox.com/en-CA/Games/xbox360games.htm , a site updated 2 days ago, reflect GRAW as a November release??

[UbiRazz]

Because they've put the old release date on there.

[The_Biggy]

Originally posted by UbiRazz:
So you're thinking we're going to delay it until next Christmas? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

With everything we have seen, would not be a surprise http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

[WALMART_COP_]

is it also going to be delayed for the current gen xbox also?

[Cons72]

Delayed for all platforms.

Amazing what a couple of months delay can do for your heat, huh? This board is in a coma and nearly dead.

[WALMART_COP_]

i aint sure about that, cuz there are ads about it in magazines, like 3 page ads, but it only has the xbox and xbox live logos on it, not the 360 logo and xbox 360 live logo.

[Cons72]

See the Ubi Store. Release Date: Winter 2006.

Ubi Store (http://store.ubi.com/item.jsp?item=51280&category=XBOX)

[Real_Xebec]

I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm tired of giving UBI money for games with serious bugs (GR2 & GR2:SS) and the failure of them to correct those bugs. Anyone ever stop to think for a minute how many uncorrectable bugs are going to be in GRAW considering the newness of the platform?

[WALMART_COP_]

no, not really, and there shouldn't be any considering how they just delayed it to work out the kinks.

[WALMART_COP_]

Originally posted by Cons72:
See the Ubi Store. Release Date: Winter 2006.

Ubi Store (http://store.ubi.com/item.jsp?item=51280&category=XBOX)

I looked at that. the 360 version also, still says winter 2006...WTH...is that holiday season next year, or do they mean early in 2006?

[crtChunk72]

Originally posted by WALMART_COP_:
I looked at that. the 360 version also, still says winter 2006...WTH...is that holiday season next year, or do they mean early in 2006?

Since winter (in the States, at least) runs from Dec 22 to Mar 22, I think it's safe to assume Winter 2006 is from Jan 06 to Mar 06...
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Now, the Southern Hemisphere has to figure this out for themselves!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

[SAMSON5202]

i think that it will be cancelled for the pc agin

[undeadcrown101]

Better not be cancelled for PC again, I would be very mad.. As for Console release date, get the god **** out and let us play!!! Don't make dates that you can't keep... What other games were like this... Soooo many lol.

[akedo29]

razz razz razz.... i was going to buy this game..(hoping for SOME redemption from rb6 letdown) the rb6 franchise is gone... and now gr... you guys say you listen.. .(and im not just talking about the forums... im talking about everyone i talk to on live... and i average about 8 hrs or more a day( i know no life..but its what i love...)and everyone is saying the same thing...log on under some alias and ask... join any room (itll have to be in black arrow ..(cause all the serious players have switched back..(check your server stats) thats really sad!!!! when we have to play the old game with your new product sitting right here.... its funny you used the EXACT same words to describe the lockdown delays (both times)that you just used for graw..... unfortunately a pattern has emerged here.. (so back to ba i go(since we are all playing ba again can we pls get a map pack soon?(big for sniping) ;-) ahh well i can dream.....
p.s. i dont mean to unload on ya razz but im hoping at least SOME of this will actually get through and happen... pls help us

[UbiRazz]

The PC version is not cancelled.

I played the 360 version a couple of weeks back and it's quite fun, more fun than Lockdown, and if you'd been able to make the recent i-series LAN party you could have played it too.

[ghostrecon123]

i was woudering if ghost recon 3 will be on gamecube please reply asap

[TJF2005]

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gifTHis is bad news.I hope it doesn't end up s#!t like ghostrecon2.

PS:can't wait to play online!!!

[xSKYCOWBOYx]

third person is junk for junk players.
i have canceled my two reserves for gr3.
they started out with a great game but just like hollywood when a sequel comes out they screw it all up.
im willing to bet that sells will be less for graw that there was for gr2 and they still will not get the hint.
gr2 did not even deserve the name. it was a joke. a vere bad one.

[xTMPxREVELATION]

you gotta think that with no new screenies or movies since x05 that they might have changed alot.
maybe even a real Score
Razz is there an orchestral or vocal score for the game?
I think a Matrix type musical score would be amazing in 5.1 dolby!!!

[KravenMoore]

im excited to play gr3 but wold like for the devs. to get as close to right as possible. feb wouldn't be much longer of a wait. Look at halo 2, see how long and how many delay it had.
more than lickly the release date was giving by some upper management. and keep in mind for all those who haven't developed any thing before BUGS happen.

[X_Hamilton_X]

Originally posted by UbiRazz:
The PC version is not cancelled.

I played the 360 version a couple of weeks back and it's quite fun, more fun than Lockdown, and if you'd been able to make the recent i-series LAN party you could have played it too.
A few questions:
1. Have you seen a change in gameplay over the few months since you first played it or is it pretty much the same? I'm wondering if the delay is to tweak gameplay or polish levels and get rid of bugs.
2. If you have seen a change in the way the game plays, can you be specific?
3. I'm glad to hear the game is more fun than Lockdown but how does GR3's multiplayer compare to the multiplayer of GR1 and GR2? I'm not talking about graphics or shear size of maps. I'm talking more about hit detection, open versus confined environments - snipers were happier with GR1 due to more open maps (Airfield, Night Docks, etc.) and the more accurate hit detection.
4. Can you tell a difference between weapons other than just sound and looks?

[X_Hamilton_X]

Originally posted by X_Hamilton_X:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by UbiRazz:
The PC version is not cancelled.

I played the 360 version a couple of weeks back and it's quite fun, more fun than Lockdown, and if you'd been able to make the recent i-series LAN party you could have played it too.
A few questions:
1. Have you seen a change in gameplay over the few months since you first played it or is it pretty much the same? I'm wondering if the delay is to tweak gameplay or polish levels and get rid of bugs.
2. If you have seen a change in the way the game plays, can you be specific?
3. I'm glad to hear the game is more fun than Lockdown but how does GR3's multiplayer compare to the multiplayer of GR1 and GR2? I'm not talking about graphics or shear size of maps. I'm talking more about hit detection, open versus confined environments - snipers were happier with GR1 due to more open maps (Airfield, Night Docks, etc.) and the more accurate hit detection.
4. Can you tell a difference between weapons other than just sound and looks? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nevermind. I just read the thread over at Ghostrecon.net that answered some of those questions. I'm very interested and, like Fox Mulder, I want to believe! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[xTMPxREVELATION]

another thing for all.......
the launch titles have been flamed by alot of reviews...... because there is not that GREAT GAME out right now...... maybe that is what ubi is hoping to do...... create that first great 360 game

[kanix357]

I wonder if this game is really gonna come out in feburary. Im really not gnona be surprised if it doesnt, but yet again ill be very dissapointed. Ubi Razz are you pretty sure its coming out/.

[X_Hamilton_X]

Originally posted by kanix357:
I wonder if this game is really gonna come out in feburary. Im really not gnona be surprised if it doesnt, but yet again ill be very dissapointed. Ubi Razz are you pretty sure its coming out/.
Bad News! This article was posted today by Kimi at 1up.com.

http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?cId=3145945
Notice the date:

DETAILED INFO FOR
Ghost Recon 3
Release Date: 04/15/2006
# of Players: 16

Looks like February is slipping like I thought it might!

[X_Hamilton_X]

Uh oh! Any idea why this thead was unstickied? Is it because the February release date stated in the title is no longer likely? Is the date at 1up.com, April, more likely than February?

[UbiRazz]

It was unstickied as it was quite a dated thread now. The game is still planned for February.

[Yen Lo]

Originally posted by UbiRazz:
It was unstickied as it was quite a dated thread now. The game is still planned for February.


So.... GR3 for Feb. Whens Lockdown for PC, and SC4 due out then?

[UbiRazz]

Lockdown PC is Q1 2006 (or Q4 2005 fiscal), around Feb/March I think. SC4 is around the same.

[X_Hamilton_X]

http://www.ubi.com/US/Games/Info.aspx?pId=3817

February? Ummm . . . no

[Real720]

This thread was created a long time ago.

[UbiRazz]

Things change, it happens, I'm still waiting confirmation however.

At least we're still on course for 1st quarter http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif