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sgt_brent
05-18-2011, 07:01 PM
I'm really getting sick of the discussion and arguments over SC 1-4 vs. SCC..

FACTS
SC 1-4 were designed and developed a certain way.. A way in which, collectively, remain true to what the franchise had been defined as with SC1..

SCC was designed and developed in a completely different way.. A regeneration of the name almost - Completely changing what the franchise was.. I don't think we should be comparing SCC to any one of the past games because of this..

THOUGHTS
I ALWAYS point out when people are "comparing apples and oranges", because it's easy to do that on here - But I think we are all guilty of doing it when it comes to picking elements, gadgets, and techniques out of one SC game and comparing it to the other, like we do time and time again.. A LOT of disagreements here seem to be HEAVILY based in the individuals play-style.. It's almost always Old-school VS New-school.. I really think it's that simple.. New-school players are going to like loud more aggressive play, and will hope for that with SC6 - Whereas old-school players hope for a true-5th stealth experience, and a throw-back to SC1-4..

Of course, it's completely fine to pick pieces from past games and explain why they would be a good addition to SC6, or elements from SCC that could be cut from SC6, or vice versa - And I'm sure that's encouraged - But to compare elements from both style games and argue to the death until bitterness among members here, is just stupid, not to mention "comparing apples to oranges"..

I hope some of you read this, and have more to say about the issue.. I think it would be a really good thing if we all openly realized this.. We need to make it easier for the devs to read through this forum and not have to see the same pithy arguments over and over again, which would allow them to focus on some real considerations from members here.. We're supposed to be here for feedback, both positive and negative, ideas, impressions, theories, and ultimately - Our THOUGHTS on the game.. Not to display our mass abilities to argue about inapplicable and completely irrelevant topics, like what has been happening way too often..

SolidSage
05-18-2011, 07:06 PM
Yeah, and you're the one always starting that junk and then posting some "im so holy topic" about how 'people' shouldnt be doing it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

I'm just kidding with you. I think all these debates come up because we are devoid of any info on SC6, so it just devolves in to what so and so liked better and why. Which is cool.

At the end of the day, all of the posters here seem to be completely enthused about SC6 regardless of what comparisons they have made about the last 5 SC's (all different), so we're in good shape.

sgt_brent
05-18-2011, 07:13 PM
Originally posted by SolidSage:
Yeah, and you're the one always starting that junk and then posting some "im so holy topic" about how 'people' shouldnt be doing it.

Seriously - Why bother with that comment?

I said we're ALL guilty of it - It's not just ME, it's not justYOU, - It's a problem this community has as a whole..

Just trying to address the issue.. Because it may allow us to be a more available and progressive group of fans..

SolidSage
05-18-2011, 07:20 PM
I don't know, why bother making the topic at all? You tend to do that though, get in big debates about stuff and then post something Ghandyish about how we should all get over ourselves and be more constructive.
Its like apologizing after intentionally throwing bricks through someones window, like saying 'sorry' automatically exonerates you from the crime or intent.
Not that disagreeing is a crime or that your views equate to throwing bricks through windows, that was just used as a simple example, albeit an exaggerated one.

Im just saying, being the first to say "we shouldn't be such butts to each other", after being a habitual butt doesn't make you righteous or just, especially when in your Pope like statement you slide in little polarized commentary that exactly exhibits the discourse you are speaking out against "A regeneration of the name almost - Completely changing what the franchise was.." .

You should go say your post in the mirror, the reflection is the person who needs to hear it most my old china. Peace. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

shobhit7777777
05-18-2011, 07:20 PM
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Dude, most arguments break out when someone takes something of Conviction calls it stupid and ridiculous....then the Conviction lovers disagree and then respond with their own arguments. The Conviction lovers are then called "bloodthirsty action fans" and "Fanboys" and this leads to further disputes.

As a SC fan and SCC lover please get this straight...and this is to ALL Old-SChool purists

We like Old-School Style JUST as much as the new one. We too are hardcore SC fans, but have accepted SCCs aggrp-stealth and enjoy. It doesn't mean we want to murder the old school style.
ALL Conviction players will agree with me when I say that we would like to see a HYBRID of Pre-SCC and SC gameplay.
I can empathise if you cannot understand certain aspects/mechanics of aggro-stealth or simply dont like it...but please dont aggravate the others who enjoy it. At the end of the day we too would like to see a deep and fun SC game.

@SolidSage

and the Irony in his sig is utterly hilarious http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

SolidSage
05-18-2011, 07:26 PM
And Apples and Oranges are both really blumin similar. Both round. Both colorful. Both fruit. Both from a tree. Both edible. Apples and oranges SHOULD be compared, they're almost related.

Apples and Zombies is the kind of contrast I think you are going for most of the time Brent. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Anyway, Ima leave it alone now and eat my dinner, watch the Bieber movie then get my co-op stealth on.

I like all of you here and enjoy our disagreements for the fun, controlled discourse they always are, about something we ALL love dearly.

shobhit7777777
05-18-2011, 07:34 PM
watch the Bieber movie
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Dieinthedark
05-18-2011, 07:35 PM
I guess I can agree w/that. 1-4 are history. That doesn't mean they shouldn't affect the design of future games (we still need coherence) but I see nothing wrong with evolving concepts of the game further. Sure some things are a staple of the series and can't be removed (stealth!) but some things need to properly evolve, and that's the point of forums. To discuss what this "proper evolution" of gameplay is to different people. Are games 1-4 awesome, of course! I just feel that it's best to keep looking forward. I'm not someone who wants CT2. SC has evolved past that. That isn't a pro-Conviction remark it's just the simple truth.

sgt_brent
05-18-2011, 08:02 PM
Originally posted by Dieinthedark:
That doesn't mean they shouldn't affect the design of future games (we still need coherence) but I see nothing wrong with evolving concepts of the game further

Completely agree.. But when WE turn things into a giant argument, with my argument grounded by my preferred play-style, and someone else's argument grounded in their preferred play-style - That's an fight that will go nowhere.. We get into that so often, and it doesn't do anything positive for the community.. And that bugs me..

Discussing design of future games is one thing, comparing and especially arguing about gameplay mechanics from SC1-4 vs SCC is another thing, and I'm not so sure there is any reason for it..

And to YOU TWO love-birds, SolidSage and Shobhit - I'm simply admitting that I am going about discussion in this forum the wrong way, as are many others.. I'd like to see this community become more of a balanced and well rounded group of Splinter Cell fans..

This is not an "I'm holy" thread, on my part - So don't try to crucify me.. Think of this thread as me taking a deep breath and doing some zen thing to relieve frustration.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sleepzzz.gif

Sarapion
05-18-2011, 08:05 PM
I don't agree with this.

If the game is called splinter cell. then it should be compared to past splinter cell games. saying this is some new iteration of splinter cell doesn't hold water. the series has been around since November 2002. There are a total of 6 games (yes, I'm including essentials) all of these games from SAR-Double Agent kept expanding and adding new features. More and more freedom was given to the player

conviction instead strips away all of the features that the series was recognized for and for what? a game that is completely shallow when compared to past splinter cell games.

The game is called SPLINTER CELL conviction. If you're going to make a splinter cell game then make one that doesn't forget that there were 5 games prior.

codenameeric
05-18-2011, 11:29 PM
Originally posted by Sarapion:
I don't agree with this.

If the game is called splinter cell. then it should be compared to past splinter cell games. saying this is some new iteration of splinter cell doesn't hold water. the series has been around since November 2002. There are a total of 6 games (yes, I'm including essentials) all of these games from SAR-Double Agent kept expanding and adding new features. More and more freedom was given to the player

conviction instead strips away all of the features that the series was recognized for and for what? a game that is completely shallow when compared to past splinter cell games.

The game is called SPLINTER CELL conviction. If you're going to make a splinter cell game then make one that doesn't forget that there were 5 games prior.
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif Well said. I completely agree.

SolidSage
05-19-2011, 12:35 AM
@Shobhit
Daughters man, no escaping the Bieber for me.

@ Brent
ha ha, I http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif Shobhit? You funny. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Seriously though ALL, the fans of SCC are generally positive about all of the SC's, we enjoyed ALL of them and also would like to see the great elements of past titles in SC6, along with the great elements of SCC.
The group of members that were offended by Conviction are generally very vocal about what a let down it was and how it should not be included in the Pantheon of SC titles.
Which is just silly, it exists, it had strengths and flaws like its predecessors and IS a Splinter Cell title, regardless of whether some of you think it should be or not.

If Brent is going to take his own advice and move past the pointless instigating of negative commentary, by constantly comparing the differences of the 5 main titles, then maybe the rest of you and I can too. Its all good, play the ones you like, skip the ones you dont...maybe contribute to a forum of the title you prefer? (if they exist).

CT was my favorite before SCC.

shobhit7777777
05-19-2011, 03:44 AM
SolidSage

@Shobhit
Daughters man, no escaping the Bieber for me.


Ok. but make sure you take necessary precautions and dont come down with a case of the 'Bieber'http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif. God bless your Daughters http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


@ Brent
ha ha, I http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif Shobhit? You funny

You DONT!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif...You Lied to me!! LOL JK http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

As for Sarge Brent....I think he still remembers you calling Jazz and him something similar. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

@Sarge Brent
We already are "well rounded SC fans". It's kind of obvious.
There are many arguments because the community is divided on many issues and rightly so....I mean I expected SCC to take a lot of Flak...due to the completely new direction.
Unless we argue about those issues and bring them to light on the forum, I dont think the devs would pay any attention. As for disputes....well nobody likes them and they do break out, its natural if you are passionately discussing something.
Please do discuss your playstyle. It sheds light on another way to play the game and also allows me to see another POV. I dont really mind. As long as it leads to an awesome SC6 game
But I do agree that we digress into petty fights...this needs to stop.



Oh and if you guys think OUR community has issues....just take a gander at the AC forums....heres a thread of a hotly debated topic right now;
Topic of paramount importance!! (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5251069024/m/3911077629/p/1)
.....and again a supremely important topic which requres its own thread..."Core gameplay.. what is that?" (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5251069024/m/5571077629)

sameer_monier
05-19-2011, 11:14 AM
Hardcore fans who won't be pleased by anything are those who go on comparing and dissing SC http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

We who love SCC are true SC fans as shobhit said, we love the old ones as much as the new ones, and i hate it when people start calling those who enjoy SCC action junk-y, or rampo player or whatever, cause we are NOT

Though i got to admit, there are people here who enjoy the old games and still remain good people even if they have different opinion, respectful few members

whether we should compare it or not, i don't mind it, i enjoy my SC http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif, SC is like Resident Evil, RE was a true horror game, with the 3rd game it became a master piece, then came no.4 more action, less scary, but still a RE game, and i enjoyed the hell out of it, even members of SC who hate change liked RE4, but couldn't handle the SCC changes, still the old fans of RE hated it, it is natural, i was an old fan who liked previous games, and loved the new ones too, even RE5 it is one of my favorite even though it got alot of action



Bottom line, we can discuss, we can compare, as long as there is respect between us, as long as we don't force our opinion on each other or call our opinions the right ones, every one is entitled to his opinion, and as you said to his own play style



" I'd like to see this community become more of a balanced and well rounded group of Splinter Cell fans.. "

I share you this vision, and i really hope that day comes, but from the time i have been around that seems kinda impossible LOL

Paragon57
05-19-2011, 11:32 AM
Originally posted by sameer_monier:
...and i hate it when people start calling those who enjoy SCC action junk-y, or rampo player or whatever, cause we are NOT


And I also hate it when people start calling those who enjoyed the original SC stealth junky, boring game lover, or afraid of change. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

I liked SCC, I was disappointed. I thought it was a great game, just a terrible Splinter Cell game compared to the last games. Essentially Sarapion hits the nail on the head.


I don't agree with this.

If the game is called splinter cell. then it should be compared to past splinter cell games. saying this is some new iteration of splinter cell doesn't hold water. the series has been around since November 2002. There are a total of 6 games (yes, I'm including essentials) all of these games from SAR-Double Agent kept expanding and adding new features. More and more freedom was given to the player

conviction instead strips away all of the features that the series was recognized for and for what? a game that is completely shallow when compared to past splinter cell games.

The game is called SPLINTER CELL conviction. If you're going to make a splinter cell game then make one that doesn't forget that there were 5 games prior.

sameer_monier
05-19-2011, 11:38 AM
Originally posted by Paragon57:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by sameer_monier:
...and i hate it when people start calling those who enjoy SCC action junk-y, or rampo player or whatever, cause we are NOT


And I also hate it when people start calling those who enjoyed the original SC stealth junky, boring game lover, or afraid of change. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

I liked SCC, I was disappointed. I thought it was a great game, just a terrible Splinter Cell game compared to the last games. Essentially Sarapion hits the nail on the head.


I don't agree with this.

If the game is called splinter cell. then it should be compared to past splinter cell games. saying this is some new iteration of splinter cell doesn't hold water. the series has been around since November 2002. There are a total of 6 games (yes, I'm including essentials) all of these games from SAR-Double Agent kept expanding and adding new features. More and more freedom was given to the player

conviction instead strips away all of the features that the series was recognized for and for what? a game that is completely shallow when compared to past splinter cell games.

The game is called SPLINTER CELL conviction. If you're going to make a splinter cell game then make one that doesn't forget that there were 5 games prior. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Totally agree, you got every right to feel so, so maybe both sides is at fault

You see me and you kinda have different opinion, i enjoy SCC, and i enjoy it as A Splinter Cell game, i won't force my opinion on you and i know you won't force your opinion on me, that makes a healthy community, we have different tastes but we are all SC fans, right ?!

Also some time fans go on stating their opinion as mere facts, which it isn't, as it is said on AC "Nothing is true" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Paragon57
05-19-2011, 12:04 PM
Originally posted by sameer_monier:
Totally agree, you got every right to feel so, so maybe both sides is at fault

You see me and you kinda have different opinion, i enjoy SCC, and i enjoy it as A Splinter Cell game, i won't force my opinion on you and i know you won't force your opinion on me, that makes a healthy community, we have different tastes but we are all SC fans, right ?!

Also some time fans go on stating their opinion as mere facts, which it isn't, as it is said on AC "Nothing is true" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Right. I mean, I'm not afraid of change (like a lot of people say to me sometimes). It's just the real question is, "Is the change good or not?" A lot of times SCC just felt dumbed down, and compared to the last games it's too simple, haha. With the Splinter Cell 6 "wishlist" topic (or improvements thread) I like what people are suggesting, and the next Splinter Cell could be awesome since I'm sure the devs are reading those amazing ideas people have. If they can bring back the staples of the first 3 games, while adding some things in Conviction - it'd just be awesome.

Oh, and is there a topic still active talking about L/S vs B/W?

Jazz117Volkov
05-19-2011, 12:10 PM
I want a game for my stealth fix + Splinter Cell Conviction = me ****ed off. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

But yeah, I really enjoy SCC.
I think it's a great game... just doesn't live up to the "Splinter Cell" name in the area's that matter to me.


Oh, and is there a topic still active talking about L/S vs B/W? that was only happening in the "Sonar" topic. If you feel that you can squeeze some more outta it, I won't stop you. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

sameer_monier
05-19-2011, 12:14 PM
Originally posted by Paragon57:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by sameer_monier:
Totally agree, you got every right to feel so, so maybe both sides is at fault

You see me and you kinda have different opinion, i enjoy SCC, and i enjoy it as A Splinter Cell game, i won't force my opinion on you and i know you won't force your opinion on me, that makes a healthy community, we have different tastes but we are all SC fans, right ?!

Also some time fans go on stating their opinion as mere facts, which it isn't, as it is said on AC "Nothing is true" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Right. I mean, I'm not afraid of change (like a lot of people say to me sometimes). It's just the real question is, "Is the change good or not?" A lot of times SCC just felt dumbed down, and compared to the last games it's too simple, haha. With the Splinter Cell 6 "wishlist" topic (or improvements thread) I like what people are suggesting, and the next Splinter Cell could be awesome since I'm sure the devs are reading those amazing ideas people have. If they can bring back the staples of the first 3 games, while adding some things in Conviction - it'd just be awesome.

Oh, and is there a topic still active talking about L/S vs B/W? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Here where we are going to disagree and turn into arguing LOL, some consider SCC dumped down, Some consider SCC perfect in it's own merit, lacking a little of stealth, but not so disasters http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Anyway i don't want to argue, i am done with that LOL, and no i don't believe there is a topic

Paragon57
05-19-2011, 12:17 PM
Originally posted by sameer_monier:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Paragon57:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by sameer_monier:
Totally agree, you got every right to feel so, so maybe both sides is at fault

You see me and you kinda have different opinion, i enjoy SCC, and i enjoy it as A Splinter Cell game, i won't force my opinion on you and i know you won't force your opinion on me, that makes a healthy community, we have different tastes but we are all SC fans, right ?!

Also some time fans go on stating their opinion as mere facts, which it isn't, as it is said on AC "Nothing is true" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Right. I mean, I'm not afraid of change (like a lot of people say to me sometimes). It's just the real question is, "Is the change good or not?" A lot of times SCC just felt dumbed down, and compared to the last games it's too simple, haha. With the Splinter Cell 6 "wishlist" topic (or improvements thread) I like what people are suggesting, and the next Splinter Cell could be awesome since I'm sure the devs are reading those amazing ideas people have. If they can bring back the staples of the first 3 games, while adding some things in Conviction - it'd just be awesome.

Oh, and is there a topic still active talking about L/S vs B/W? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Here where we are going to disagree and turn into arguing LOL, some consider SCC dumped down, Some consider SCC perfect in it's own merit, lacking a little of stealth, but not so disasters http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Anyway i don't want to argue, i am done with that LOL, and no i don't believe there is a topic </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Haha, yeah it is kinda easy to get into an argument on forums, haha. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Discussing it is pretty fun though, like the Sonar Goggles topic. Everyone is giving some unique ideas about the Goggles for the next game; quite fascinating to read.


that was only happening in the "Sonar" topic. If you feel that you can squeeze some more outta it, I won't stop you.

Haha, I might just start another topic for it's own discussion so it won't be too off-topic (although it kinda mixes in with the Sonar/NV discussion a bit, hm?).

shobhit7777777
05-19-2011, 01:05 PM
@Sameer

We who love SCC are true SC fans as shobhit said, we love the old ones as much as the new ones, and i hate it when people start calling those who enjoy SCC action junk-y, or rampo player or whatever, cause we are NOT

THIS!!

Exactly....Sameer *Hi-five*

Off-topic
I dunno if any of you are into Arma...but Arma 3 is coming (http://www.arma3.com/)

Im psyched.

sameer_monier
05-19-2011, 01:43 PM
Originally posted by shobhit7777777:
@Sameer
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">We who love SCC are true SC fans as shobhit said, we love the old ones as much as the new ones, and i hate it when people start calling those who enjoy SCC action junk-y, or rampo player or whatever, cause we are NOT

THIS!!

Exactly....Sameer *Hi-five*

Off-topic
I dunno if any of you are into Arma...but Arma 3 is coming (http://www.arma3.com/)

Im psyched. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif


@ Paragon : it is fun as long as it don't turn into a flaming war LOL

Andre202
05-19-2011, 06:46 PM
Originally posted by shobhit7777777:
We like Old-School Style JUST as much as the new one. We too are hardcore SC fans, but have accepted SCCs aggrp-stealth and enjoy. It doesn't mean we want to murder the old school style.
ALL Conviction players will agree with me when I say that we would like to see a HYBRID of Pre-SCC and SC gameplay.
That's a huge assumption. A lot are new to the Splinter Cell series. They either don't know previous games or they hated them. Some loved them just like you do.


Originally posted by shobhit7777777:
@Sameer
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">We who love SCC are true SC fans as shobhit said, we love the old ones as much as the new ones, and i hate it when people start calling those who enjoy SCC action junk-y, or rampo player or whatever, cause we are NOT

THIS!!

Exactly....Sameer *Hi-five* </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Something I would never say... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

SolidSage
05-19-2011, 07:56 PM
Oh Andre, why so serious?

Shobhit and Sameer and all other positive attitude forum members "Big Ups".

kipphopopotomus
05-19-2011, 08:39 PM
Originally posted by SolidSage:
I'm just kidding with you. I think all these debates come up because we are devoid of any info on SC6, so it just devolves in to what so and so liked better and why. Which is cool.

At the end of the day, all of the posters here seem to be completely enthused about SC6 regardless of what comparisons they have made about the last 5 SC's (all different), so we're in good shape.

This makes sense

Andre202
05-19-2011, 08:54 PM
Originally posted by SolidSage:
Oh Andre, why so serious?
I think it's a serious topic and I don't think the above mentioned was sarcasm or a joke because then it wouldn't make sense.

sam2000_290
05-19-2011, 09:00 PM
We who love SCC are true SC fans as shobhit said, we love the old ones as much as the new ones, and i hate it when people start calling those who enjoy SCC action junk-y, or rampo player or whatever, cause we are NOT

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif



I want a game for my stealth fix + Splinter Cell Conviction = me ****ed off. Angry

But yeah, I really enjoy SCC.
I think it's a great game.


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shobhit7777777
05-19-2011, 09:10 PM
@Andre202

That's a huge assumption. A lot are new to the Splinter Cell series. They either don't know previous games or they hated them. Some loved them just like you do.

Ok...let me ask you this, How many threads have you come across on this forum that are anti-old school SC?
Now how many posts against SCC and it's playstyle?

Exactly. The guys who love SCC are the least critical of the pre-SCC games and enjoy both the styles equally. You dont see them asking for "NO NVGs!!". Just look at the number of threads and posts I have made in support of a SCCT/SCC hybrid. We are openly aware of SCCs faults...and not blinded by 5 years of gameplay which has unfortunately warped people's definition of the 'Stealth' genre. I KNOW you know what I mean....you enjoy SCC as well.

You KNOW that we have been called 'noobs', 'bloodthirsty' and 'kids' by a lot of the members. I personally dont mind the hostility as I can COMPLETELY understand why the passionate dislike of SCC....but it does get ****ing old after a while. And when you ask people "Why do you think it is dumbed down??" you'll be lucky to get a meaningful answer.

People need to realise that if you are harshly critical of another persons taste and choice..there will be hostility. A person feels insulted if his/her choice of game is ridiculed...as it reflects poorly in his/her judgment and taste which themselves are reflective of intelligence. In other words you're calling the other guy stupid http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif