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z00m1978
07-23-2008, 03:20 PM
Dear Ubisoft,

This should be an extremely easy patch and one that would bring ALL LIFE back to Vegas 2 MP franchise. I love the new fan pack and improved physics in Vegas 2 from the Original Vegas.. My question is... How many Vegas/Vegas2 multiplayers would absolutely LOVE to see a patch which allowed unlimited respawns for attack & defend, and time limits, JUST like in the original Vegas? I've heard from many Vegas elites they only play Vegas and not Vegas 2 because of this reason alone.. The other addition I was thinking of was for the ability for the host to kick whom he chooses, although that is not as important as the aforementioned!!

z00m1978
07-23-2008, 03:20 PM
Dear Ubisoft,

This should be an extremely easy patch and one that would bring ALL LIFE back to Vegas 2 MP franchise. I love the new fan pack and improved physics in Vegas 2 from the Original Vegas.. My question is... How many Vegas/Vegas2 multiplayers would absolutely LOVE to see a patch which allowed unlimited respawns for attack & defend, and time limits, JUST like in the original Vegas? I've heard from many Vegas elites they only play Vegas and not Vegas 2 because of this reason alone.. The other addition I was thinking of was for the ability for the host to kick whom he chooses, although that is not as important as the aforementioned!!

ERN456
07-23-2008, 03:31 PM
The game shouldnt have respawns. THE END http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

neilthecellist
07-23-2008, 03:36 PM
The game shouldn't have been released. THE END.

EDIT: WOOOOHOOO 1000 posts!

AWC_Pest
07-23-2008, 03:48 PM
Congrats on 1000 posts!

and I agree there should be no respawns in a strategic tactical shooter which is what the entire R6 series was supposed to be.

Tom Clancy really sold us out...He should donate some of that 60 million UBI gave him for his name to Blackfoot Studios so they can make a real strategic shooter.

AntiPersonnel
07-23-2008, 05:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Tom Clancy really sold us out...He should donate some of that 60 million UBI gave him for his name to Blackfoot Studios so they can make a real strategic shooter. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
that would be great but unfortunately i think it would be HIGHLY LIKELY that his contract states that under the buyout terms, that he is not eligible to consult/write/cooperate with any other game franchise. otherwise it would defeat the point of Ubi buying his name.

but then again thats not even accounting for the good possibility he doesnt even give a @#$% anymore in the first place.

z00m1978
07-24-2008, 07:29 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by AWC_Pest:
Congrats on 1000 posts!

and I agree there should be no respawns in a strategic tactical shooter which is what the entire R6 series was supposed to be.[QUOTE]

Look, I feel ya but Vegas 2 is not like the R6 series, and just because it's a strategic tactical shooter doesn't mean you can't have unlimited respawns... This post wasn't designed for you anyway, it's for the vast majority of people who actually PLAY the game... And it's not like I'm polling it for every single map.. Just attack and defend on Calypso.. That was hands down THE most popular multiplayer map from the original vegas for that reason alone.. You can't argue that!

BATTLEFACE
07-24-2008, 07:43 AM
Unlimited respawns should be a feature that the host turns on or off, and not limited to just Calypso Casino. This way, everyone can be happy. Old school tactical guys can setup up their own 'no respawn' games and everyone else can have their unlimited respawn games.

I don't see what the problem is with giving people the choice.

z00m1978
07-24-2008, 02:19 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Battletron:
Unlimited respawns should be a feature that the host turns on or off, and not limited to just Calypso Casino. This way, everyone can be happy. Old school tactical guys can setup up their own 'no respawn' games and everyone else can have their unlimited respawn games.

I don't see what the problem is with giving people the choice. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Thank you!! My sentiments exactly! It should be the HOST's choice and not Ubisofts!

I'm absolutely dying for Vegas 2 physics in Calypso Casino w/ unlimited respawns and the ability to set time limits.. I makes no sense why they got rid of it and I've talked to countless Vegas players who refuse to put in their Vegas 2 disc for this reason alone.. It is a highly addictive and fun challenging Vegas multiplayer map/mode .. It certainly can't hurt Ubisoft's competition w/ with multiplayers from COD 4, Halo 3, etc..

z00m1978
07-24-2008, 02:30 PM
To add to my previous response, IMO the mode "Attack and Defend" simulates a real war, where waves upon waves of attackers and defenders keep killing each other off until someone completes the mission(brings the briefcase to extraction, or prevents it from happening), the only difference is it's the same players at different times respawning ... SOOO, if you earlier responders were in tune to that, you wouldn't have posted "err, don't play it at all, OR, 1 death that's it" ... I love simulation too, but if you could see the forest from the trees, it simulates a small scale war w/ wave after wave of soldiers falling and more to take their place... absolutely it should be the host's choice, no question..

ERN456
07-24-2008, 02:36 PM
You forget something that R6 is supposed to be about counter terrorism and CQB combat not war and open combat.

Xanavi23
07-24-2008, 03:31 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Battletron:
Unlimited respawns should be a feature that the host turns on or off, and not limited to just Calypso Casino. This way, everyone can be happy. Old school tactical guys can setup up their own 'no respawn' games and everyone else can have their unlimited respawn games.

I don't see what the problem is with giving people the choice. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, yes it should...because in all honesty...i love to play both. Sometimes i want a highly tactical battle with no respawns like i used to have on my xbox with Counter Strike.

Other times i want something a little bit different, that is to say i want a match that lasts 10-15 minutes as unrealistic as it is.
Besides, ive never been a pure gun runner, i make every life count. I hate dying in either match setting.

z00m1978
07-24-2008, 03:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ERN456:
You forget something that R6 is supposed to be about counter terrorism and CQB combat not war and open combat. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It doesn't matter what you think R6 Vegas is supposed to be.. Counter-terrorism is still a war and it's actually fought on a global scale..Typically, you're right, they are small CQB wars, but there is no reason to believe a larger, problematic one couldn't occur in a casino, with a large amount of squads, the way Clancy tries to fantasize it to happen in Vegas... My point is a war is a war...If 1 team can't stop the terrorists, guess what? More teams will try to dash in and at every possible angle..Remember Waco? Why can't waves upon waves of elite "swat" teams as in the Vegas series be simulated trying to stop a large amount of terrorists in under a certain time limit??.. Or, we can keep players like you happy by letting the damn host decide! Either case, I can promise you my idea will be much more popular!

z00m1978
07-25-2008, 01:15 PM
Whoever comes in here, please vote!! There's a slight chance Ubisoft sees this and realizes this is what the fans want... this is a simple patch..

ChronicCritic
07-25-2008, 01:59 PM
The way I look at it 3 respawns is just as fake as 6 or 10 or unlimited respawns, They should just make it an host option in multiplayer only.

z00m1978
07-29-2008, 08:04 AM
come on .. keep it goingggg http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

SS.I-KilleR-I
07-30-2008, 02:52 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ERN456:
You forget something that R6 is supposed to be about counter terrorism and CQB combat not war and open combat. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


HEY ERN DO YOU PPLAY THIS GAME ON CONSOLE OR PC ONLINE IN MULTIPLAYER OR EVEN ATTACK AND DEFEND?

z00m1978
07-30-2008, 02:59 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SS.I-KilleR-I:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ERN456:
You forget something that R6 is supposed to be about counter terrorism and CQB combat not war and open combat. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


HEY ERN DO YOU PPLAY THIS GAME ON CONSOLE OR PC ONLINE IN MULTIPLAYER OR EVEN ATTACK AND DEFEND? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I second that!!! I think most of these posters obviously never played Attack and Defend on Calypso Casino or were one of the few who didn't in the original Vegas ... Thanks for the post dude!

Lets keep this poll rolling! .. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

SS.I-KilleR-I
07-30-2008, 03:05 PM
dude this guy never played vegas 1 online either look at his sig he still plays chaos theory. dont talk about it if you dont know about it

z00m1978
08-01-2008, 10:35 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SS.I-KilleR-I:
dude this guy never played vegas 1 online either look at his sig he still plays chaos theory. dont talk about it if you dont know about it </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

hahaha .. he doesn't understand how awesome and addictive Vegas 2 could be w/ a simple tweak.. I don't know man ... Not enough peeps are seeing this post!

lets keep this sh1t rollin! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

z00m1978
08-04-2008, 02:21 PM
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Xanavi23
08-04-2008, 04:08 PM
Rolling Rolling Rolling ! I wouldnt mind some unlimited spawns !

z00m1978
08-06-2008, 08:33 AM
[Q http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif UOTE]Originally posted by Xanavi23:
Rolling Rolling Rolling ! I wouldnt mind some unlimited spawns ![/QUOTE]

Thanks for the post dude! Now if only Ubisoft sees this and makes the simple modification .. They practically ported Vegas 2 from Vegas anyway and I don't know why on earth they would want to take away their most famous MP map/mode from the original Vegas... I'm dying for some unlimited respawns on Attack and Defend! This 3 kill limit BS is just not the same! lol

Lets keep this rollin! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

ERN456
08-06-2008, 08:51 AM
They are not going to pay attention and the game is better off with limited respawns and would be better off without respawns on any gametype.

Xanavi23
08-06-2008, 10:34 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ERN456:
They are not going to pay attention and the game is better off with limited respawns and would be better off without respawns on any gametype. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Once again...thats personal opinion. I like NO respawns, great type of game but i also like Unlimited respawns too. 3 respawns is just plain weird to me; its not unlimited and its not NO respawns. At least on the 2 consoles i imagine there are many players who like BOTH game types or like either or. As such it would have been wise for Ubisoft to do what the players loved back then....give them a choice.
Like it or not, on PS3(same goes for 360 i imagine): EVERYONE played Calypso Casino WITH unlimited respawns. No disrespect but thats a fact.

Techbone
08-06-2008, 10:55 AM
But then nobody would play with NO RESPAWNS. They need to make high stakes so that its always no respawns.

Xanavi23
08-06-2008, 11:16 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Techbone:
But then nobody would play with NO RESPAWNS. They need to make high stakes so that its always no respawns. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thats a very good idea, that way it simplifies the online choices.

growler1969
08-06-2008, 01:36 PM
yes to unlimited respawns and you all know that !!!!

neilthecellist
08-06-2008, 01:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by growler1969:
yes to unlimited respawns and you all know that !!!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Um. No. Take a look at the overall forum sentimentality. Don't assume that we all want unlimited respawns, because we don't.

z00m1978
08-06-2008, 03:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by neilthecellist:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by growler1969:
yes to unlimited respawns and you all know that !!!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Um. No. Take a look at the overall forum sentimentality. Don't assume that we all want unlimited respawns, because we don't. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Here's the bottom line.. It should be the host's choice on time limits/respawns/boots for both ranked/player matches, not Ubisoft's ..That way everyone is happy... Not to mention, I play on Xbox live and the people who actually PLAY this game, the level 1-99 Elites, will ALWAYS gripe about the aforementioned not being carried over from the original Vegas.. It's a shame because Vegas 2's physics and features are much improved and the overall gaming concept of Vegas 2 hasn't changed much, if any from the original Vegas.. They lost A TON of popularity and players to COD4/Halo 3 and other 360 live FPS online MP's for these reasons alone.. This is why I'm taking a poll, and so far the vast majority of gamers overwhelmingly support minor update Ubisoft should make...

Lets keep it rollin! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

growler1969
08-06-2008, 04:54 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">quote:
Originally posted by neilthecellist:

quote:
Originally posted by growler1969:
yes to unlimited respawns and you all know that !!!!


Um. No. Take a look at the overall forum sentimentality. Don't assume that we all want unlimited respawns, because we don't.


Here's the bottom line.. It should be the host's choice on time limits/respawns/boots for both ranked/player matches, not Ubisoft's ..That way everyone is happy... Not to mention, I play on Xbox live and the people who actually PLAY this game, the level 1-99 Elites, will ALWAYS gripe about the aforementioned not being carried over from the original Vegas.. It's a shame because Vegas 2's physics and features are much improved and the overall gaming concept of Vegas 2 hasn't changed much, if any from the original Vegas.. They lost A TON of popularity and players to COD4/Halo 3 and other 360 live FPS online MP's for these reasons alone.. This is why I'm taking a poll, and so far the vast majority of gamers overwhelmingly support minor update Ubisoft should make... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
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ERN456
08-06-2008, 05:13 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by z00m1978:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by neilthecellist:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by growler1969:
yes to unlimited respawns and you all know that !!!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Um. No. Take a look at the overall forum sentimentality. Don't assume that we all want unlimited respawns, because we don't. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Here's the bottom line.. It should be the host's choice on time limits/respawns/boots for both ranked/player matches, not Ubisoft's ..That way everyone is happy... Not to mention, I play on Xbox live and the people who actually PLAY this game, the level 1-99 Elites, will ALWAYS gripe about the aforementioned not being carried over from the original Vegas.. It's a shame because Vegas 2's physics and features are much improved and the overall gaming concept of Vegas 2 hasn't changed much, if any from the original Vegas.. They lost A TON of popularity and players to COD4/Halo 3 and other 360 live FPS online MP's for these reasons alone.. This is why I'm taking a poll, and so far the vast majority of gamers overwhelmingly support minor update Ubisoft should make...

Lets keep it rollin! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Theres a reason halo and COD4 were made to attract the RUN N GUN crowds therefore those people who leave decide to leave so that they can play a game that pleases them AKA: Halo and COD4. So Im happy if they leave I would be happier if they werent playing R6 anymore unless they like to play in a tactical way and besides many of them go around saying ******ed things like this game should have grenade launchers, 50. cal snipers, knives and jumping as if it wasnt screwed up enough by UBI. I bet they say that crap and UBI actually pays attention.

z00m1978
08-07-2008, 08:26 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ERN456:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by z00m1978:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by neilthecellist:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by growler1969:
yes to unlimited respawns and you all know that !!!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Um. No. Take a look at the overall forum sentimentality. Don't assume that we all want unlimited respawns, because we don't. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Here's the bottom line.. It should be the host's choice on time limits/respawns/boots for both ranked/player matches, not Ubisoft's ..That way everyone is happy... Not to mention, I play on Xbox live and the people who actually PLAY this game, the level 1-99 Elites, will ALWAYS gripe about the aforementioned not being carried over from the original Vegas.. It's a shame because Vegas 2's physics and features are much improved and the overall gaming concept of Vegas 2 hasn't changed much, if any from the original Vegas.. They lost A TON of popularity and players to COD4/Halo 3 and other 360 live FPS online MP's for these reasons alone.. This is why I'm taking a poll, and so far the vast majority of gamers overwhelmingly support minor update Ubisoft should make...

Lets keep it rollin! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Theres a reason halo and COD4 were made to attract the RUN N GUN crowds therefore those people who leave decide to leave so that they can play a game that pleases them AKA: Halo and COD4. So Im happy if they leave I would be happier if they werent playing R6 anymore unless they like to play in a tactical way and besides many of them go around saying ******ed things like this game should have grenade launchers, 50. cal snipers, knives and jumping as if it wasnt screwed up enough by UBI. I bet they say that crap and UBI actually pays attention. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I notice you refer to Rainbow Six as R6, as in the original Rainbow Six novel written by Tom Clancy .. That's fine, I get the picture now, you read the novels, etc. You don't play this game on Xbox Live because there's a bunch of annoying little brats blah blah. You think respawns in general are ridiculous for a tactical game, great. Sometimes, I'm just like you. I wan't a cut throat 1 shot 1 kill game and the ultimate in realism. Other times, as in Attack and Defend Calypso Casino, I enjoy unlimited respawns (or RUN N GUN as you say) more because to me as a HOST, it's annoying to have to restart a game constantly because my team sucked, or all got shot within 30 seconds... Again, Ubisoft basically said screw what you think, we're gonna do it our way, but then they allow 3 respawns? That is an oxymoron, and it makes absolutely no sense. I say all or nothing, and let the HOST decide. I'd also say that for every 1 person like you, there are probably 1,000+ gamers who have the complete opposite opinion about what where you think Ubisoft went wrong with Vegas 2... Despite what you think about who Ubisoft is trying to target with the Vegas franchise, they are ultimately competing for the playing time of COD4/Halo 3/etc. FPS gamers...

Lets keep it rollin! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

ERN456
08-07-2008, 01:09 PM
Thats what annoys me that they dont care about the old fans and I do play RSV2 only T hunt because its one of the few tactical things RSV2 even if the Terrorist spawns are ******ed. Besides whats the point UBI doesnt care otherwise they would have said something a long time ago.

SS.I-KilleR-I
08-07-2008, 02:39 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by ERN456:
I do play RSV2 only T hunt because its one of the few tactical things RSV2 even if the Terrorist spawns are ******ed.QUOTE]

OK SO GO FIND A T HUNT THREAD AND GO COMPLAIN IN THERE ABOUT THE SPAWNS! cuase if you dont play a game mode then why would you come in here and whine about it sucks, it aint realistic? you know what map they need for vegas 2 so we can play attack and defend? the library from vegas 1 its a original map from one of the older games a reskined bank remember the bank and having to save the hostages?

z00m1978
08-08-2008, 11:52 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SS.I-KilleR-I:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by ERN456:
I do play RSV2 only T hunt because its one of the few tactical things RSV2 even if the Terrorist spawns are ******ed.QUOTE]

OK SO GO FIND A T HUNT THREAD AND GO COMPLAIN IN THERE ABOUT THE SPAWNS! cuase if you dont play a game mode then why would you come in here and whine about it sucks, it aint realistic? you know what map they need for vegas 2 so we can play attack and defend? the library from vegas 1 its a original map from one of the older games a reskined bank remember the bank and having to save the hostages? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Hey killer, forget this dude, he doesn't like the game ... I agree about bringing back the bank.. I loved that from the orginal Vegas.. yo my gamertag is ZooM , add me, I host usually but my 360 is getting repairing right now.. In the next week or so I should get it back ..

Lets keep this sh1t rollin' http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Xanavi23
08-08-2008, 01:12 PM
Whether its skinned as a bank or as a library i agree, i'ld love that map back. The library from Vegas 1 was AWESOME.

Techbone
08-08-2008, 01:16 PM
It was, but I think the reason we ask for so many Vegas 1 maps is because the Vegas 2 maps weren't as cool as the Vegas 1 maps. I say UBI creates some awesome Vegas 2 maps that blow away the Vegas 1 maps.

ERN456
08-08-2008, 02:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by z00m1978:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SS.I-KilleR-I:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by ERN456:
I do play RSV2 only T hunt because its one of the few tactical things RSV2 even if the Terrorist spawns are ******ed.QUOTE]

OK SO GO FIND A T HUNT THREAD AND GO COMPLAIN IN THERE ABOUT THE SPAWNS! cuase if you dont play a game mode then why would you come in here and whine about it sucks, it aint realistic? you know what map they need for vegas 2 so we can play attack and defend? the library from vegas 1 its a original map from one of the older games a reskined bank remember the bank and having to save the hostages? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Hey killer, forget this dude, he doesn't like the game ... I agree about bringing back the bank.. I loved that from the orginal Vegas.. yo my gamertag is ZooM , add me, I host usually but my 360 is getting repairing right now.. In the next week or so I should get it back ..

Lets keep this sh1t rollin' http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you ever played any R6 game previous to lockdown youd know why I dont like it but know its always the same excuse with you halo/COD4 players you always want to make other games more like halo and COD4. In the end UBI is going to do something to ruin this game for you like they always do with every game thats great.

Xanavi23
08-08-2008, 04:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Techbone:
It was, but I think the reason we ask for so many Vegas 1 maps is because the Vegas 2 maps weren't as cool as the Vegas 1 maps. I say UBI creates some awesome Vegas 2 maps that blow away the Vegas 1 maps. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Since i found out EndWar is an RTS, it would make sense for Ubisoft to continue supporting Vegas 2. They probably won't release a shooter for some time so making customers happy could only benefit them.

ChronicCritic
08-08-2008, 04:53 PM
Ubisoft might as well add unlimited respawn option to the next patch because thats what most of the people online prefer , When I do a search for any game hardcore mode or no respawn (survival/A&D) I can hardly ever find a game, of course this is on the Xbox which has the largest amount of people/servers playing RainbowV2 .

Maybe the PC players are the only ones left who refuse to play/host any game modes that allow a respawn, If so that may be why the PC community is nearly gone.

Its sad really because I like to play both ways but I cant because If I try to host a no respawn match I can never get a room even half filled.

ERN456
08-08-2008, 05:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Xanavi23:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Techbone:
It was, but I think the reason we ask for so many Vegas 1 maps is because the Vegas 2 maps weren't as cool as the Vegas 1 maps. I say UBI creates some awesome Vegas 2 maps that blow away the Vegas 1 maps. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Since i found out EndWar is an RTS, it would make sense for Ubisoft to continue supporting Vegas 2. They probably won't release a shooter for some time so making customers happy could only benefit them. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

What scares me is that I dont remember UBI making RTS games so it might screw up if that game screws up I have no idea were the Tom Clancy franchises are headed I wont buy it either unless I get my favorite franchises fixed.

z00m1978
08-12-2008, 02:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
Its sad really because I like to play both ways but I cant because If I try to host a no respawn match I can never get a room even half filled. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Exactly! Which is why I'm all for adding unlimited spawns at least on that game mode, instead of just total conquest ! Why the h3ll they got rid of it from "Attack and Defend" and then added it to "Total Conquest" is beyond me .. the whole principle behind Attack and Defend almost requires unlimited respawns if people are even going to play it .. you would think they would carry over their most POPULAR game mode/options from the original Vegas onto Vegas 2 since they BROUGHT back Calypso Casino in the fan pack, but they decided against letting the host decide .. not very wise if you ask me, that was hands down the most popular, and most fun multiplayer map/mode from the original ..

Lets keep it rolling ! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Alareiks1987
08-12-2008, 03:41 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by z00m1978:
Dear Ubisoft,

This should be an extremely easy patch and one that would bring ALL LIFE back to Vegas 2 MP franchise. I love the new fan pack and improved physics in Vegas 2 from the Original Vegas.. My question is... How many Vegas/Vegas2 multiplayers would absolutely LOVE to see a patch which allowed unlimited respawns for attack & defend, and time limits, JUST like in the original Vegas? I've heard from many Vegas elites they only play Vegas and not Vegas 2 because of this reason alone.. The other addition I was thinking of was for the ability for the host to kick whom he chooses, although that is not as important as the aforementioned!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes. Make it like original R6V, my dear Canadian friends! Please.

z00m1978
08-13-2008, 02:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Alareiks1987:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by z00m1978:
Dear Ubisoft,

This should be an extremely easy patch and one that would bring ALL LIFE back to Vegas 2 MP franchise. I love the new fan pack and improved physics in Vegas 2 from the Original Vegas.. My question is... How many Vegas/Vegas2 multiplayers would absolutely LOVE to see a patch which allowed unlimited respawns for attack & defend, and time limits, JUST like in the original Vegas? I've heard from many Vegas elites they only play Vegas and not Vegas 2 because of this reason alone.. The other addition I was thinking of was for the ability for the host to kick whom he chooses, although that is not as important as the aforementioned!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes. Make it like original R6V, my dear Canadian friends! Please. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree .. I don't know why they went and changed everything that was good about the original Vegas MP .. It's like they are trying to be different, but different isn't always good.. If you go online and see what everyone is playing, it's either terrorist hunt(where the respawn limit makes sense) or Total Conquest (unlimited respawns) ..

z00m1978
08-13-2008, 02:29 PM
come on peeps , keep this rollin' http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif ..

Trevak__Dal
08-14-2008, 11:21 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ERN456:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by z00m1978:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SS.I-KilleR-I:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by ERN456:
I do play RSV2 only T hunt because its one of the few tactical things RSV2 even if the Terrorist spawns are ******ed.QUOTE]

OK SO GO FIND A T HUNT THREAD AND GO COMPLAIN IN THERE ABOUT THE SPAWNS! cuase if you dont play a game mode then why would you come in here and whine about it sucks, it aint realistic? you know what map they need for vegas 2 so we can play attack and defend? the library from vegas 1 its a original map from one of the older games a reskined bank remember the bank and having to save the hostages? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Hey killer, forget this dude, he doesn't like the game ... I agree about bringing back the bank.. I loved that from the orginal Vegas.. yo my gamertag is ZooM , add me, I host usually but my 360 is getting repairing right now.. In the next week or so I should get it back ..

Lets keep this sh1t rollin' http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you ever played any R6 game previous to lockdown youd know why I dont like it but know its always the same excuse with you halo/COD4 players you always want to make other games more like halo and COD4. In the end UBI is going to do something to ruin this game for you like they always do with every game thats great. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Gee, sounds like you should go back to Chaos Theory, and cross your heart and pray real hard that Blackfoot studios releases a real, fully functioning game (and isn't bought out by EA games or Ubisoft, as it most likely will be), so then you can frolic with your ultra realistic game, if it ever sees the light of day.

Or perhaps it's time for you to hang up the controller eh? The more I hear people decry how the games have changed and companies have "sold out", the more I laugh. I'm no business major, but I think the point of producing something is to...well sell it, and if you are successful enough, to "sell out" for maximum profit.

Hello, Ubisoft is EA games with a different nationality, the rise, success and domination of shovelware like the Madden series, which has propelled EA's meteoric rise, has made it so that if any company wants to compete (rather than just be bought out by EA games) they have to appeal to a broader audience. But you've heard this before, I'm sure.

You obviously don't care to hear it, and are nothing more than some forum troll who's still sad-faced over how he lost his favorite game.

Since we can both agree that neither of side can be assuaged, and neither side really plays with the other if given a choice. The only reason I play "survival" only gametypes is for acheivements. After I have the acheivement, I don't play it. If that makes me less hardcore than you, and others like you, I never said I was trying to be "hardcore". My gamerzone is "Recreational". I have no interest in the past of Rainbow Six, and it's past bears no significance on the topic at hand.

Ultimately, it should be up to the host. You have no counter argument but to cry more about how Ubisoft has failed you, and others like you.

I'm not going to be moved-I don't play Survival gametypes, and since I got the acheivement, I'm not going to ever again if given a choice. I'm sorry somebody's cat crapped in your cornflakes kid, but like I said, you might just need to clean out the bowl, and get yourself some cheerio's, and cheer the **** up.

You got your older "classic" games, and if as many people dislike the current games as it seems, then you've got a very thriving commmunity, so stop crying already.

xEvilBen_6x
08-14-2008, 02:20 PM
In Vegas, A&D on calypso was all my squad ever played; with some other maps of course. 3 respawns isn't enough BECAUSE you can eventually get the box out. in about 2 more respawns, i could have gotten it.

unl spawns would be a great thing to bring back.. as well as breaching charges http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Now in vegas 2 my squad plays TC.. i would love to play some more A&D

z00m1978
08-14-2008, 03:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by xEvilBen_6x:
In Vegas, A&D on calypso was all my squad ever played; with some other maps of course. 3 respawns isn't enough BECAUSE you can eventually get the box out. in about 2 more respawns, i could have gotten it.

unl spawns would be a great thing to bring back.. as well as breaching charges Now in vegas 2 my squad plays TC.. i would love to play some more A&D </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

you make an excellent point about "eventually" getting the box out.. this principle is what makes Attack and Defend so addictive, especially Calypso Casino .. It was a perfect map for unlimited respawns because it took great skill as Attackers or Defenders to race back to where the briefcase was dropped and hold off the opponent ..The map was perfectly laid out for A&D IMO and I was very excited when I heard Calypso Casino was being brought back until I found out 3 respawns absolutely RUINED this game mode, hence why NOBODY plays it now.. only Total Conquest, and TC is not nearly as fun as A&D ..

good post, lets keep it rolln' http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

z00m1978
08-14-2008, 03:47 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Trevak__Dal:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ERN456:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by z00m1978:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SS.I-KilleR-I:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by ERN456:
I do play RSV2 only T hunt because its one of the few tactical things RSV2 even if the Terrorist spawns are ******ed.QUOTE]

OK SO GO FIND A T HUNT THREAD AND GO COMPLAIN IN THERE ABOUT THE SPAWNS! cuase if you dont play a game mode then why would you come in here and whine about it sucks, it aint realistic? you know what map they need for vegas 2 so we can play attack and defend? the library from vegas 1 its a original map from one of the older games a reskined bank remember the bank and having to save the hostages? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Hey killer, forget this dude, he doesn't like the game ... I agree about bringing back the bank.. I loved that from the orginal Vegas.. yo my gamertag is ZooM , add me, I host usually but my 360 is getting repairing right now.. In the next week or so I should get it back ..

Lets keep this sh1t rollin' http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you ever played any R6 game previous to lockdown youd know why I dont like it but know its always the same excuse with you halo/COD4 players you always want to make other games more like halo and COD4. In the end UBI is going to do something to ruin this game for you like they always do with every game thats great. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Gee, sounds like you should go back to Chaos Theory, and cross your heart and pray real hard that Blackfoot studios releases a real, fully functioning game (and isn't bought out by EA games or Ubisoft, as it most likely will be), so then you can frolic with your ultra realistic game, if it ever sees the light of day.

Or perhaps it's time for you to hang up the controller eh? The more I hear people decry how the games have changed and companies have "sold out", the more I laugh. I'm no business major, but I think the point of producing something is to...well sell it, and if you are successful enough, to "sell out" for maximum profit.

Hello, Ubisoft is EA games with a different nationality, the rise, success and domination of shovelware like the Madden series, which has propelled EA's meteoric rise, has made it so that if any company wants to compete (rather than just be bought out by EA games) they have to appeal to a broader audience. But you've heard this before, I'm sure.

You obviously don't care to hear it, and are nothing more than some forum troll who's still sad-faced over how he lost his favorite game.

Since we can both agree that neither of side can be assuaged, and neither side really plays with the other if given a choice. The only reason I play "survival" only gametypes is for acheivements. After I have the acheivement, I don't play it. If that makes me less hardcore than you, and others like you, I never said I was trying to be "hardcore". My gamerzone is "Recreational". I have no interest in the past of Rainbow Six, and it's past bears no significance on the topic at hand.

Ultimately, it should be up to the host. You have no counter argument but to cry more about how Ubisoft has failed you, and others like you.

I'm not going to be moved-I don't play Survival gametypes, and since I got the acheivement, I'm not going to ever again if given a choice. I'm sorry somebody's cat crapped in your cornflakes kid, but like I said, you might just need to clean out the bowl, and get yourself some cheerio's, and cheer the **** up.

You got your older "classic" games, and if as many people dislike the current games as it seems, then you've got a very thriving commmunity, so stop crying already. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Excellent, excellent points there Trevak_Dal , it SHOULD be the host's decision if Ubisoft expects people to play this game as much as they did in the original Vegas... The least they can do is see my poll and apply the SIMPLE patch.. As a programmer, I know this would be cut and paste code.. It's probably as simple as turning a 0 - 1 in binary for limited to unlimited and then packaging up the patch... At any rate, hardcore realism is only fun for some people, sometimes ! The game w/ unlimited respawns still involves a FAWK ton of strategy if you ask me, and this wasn't designed to be a military CQB simulation, it's just having fun based on the idea... Who cares what Vegas "should have been," because it's not! END OF STORY!! GOOD POST!

lets keep it rolln! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

ERN456
08-14-2008, 04:18 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Trevak__Dal:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ERN456:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by z00m1978:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SS.I-KilleR-I:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by ERN456:
I do play RSV2 only T hunt because its one of the few tactical things RSV2 even if the Terrorist spawns are ******ed.QUOTE]

OK SO GO FIND A T HUNT THREAD AND GO COMPLAIN IN THERE ABOUT THE SPAWNS! cuase if you dont play a game mode then why would you come in here and whine about it sucks, it aint realistic? you know what map they need for vegas 2 so we can play attack and defend? the library from vegas 1 its a original map from one of the older games a reskined bank remember the bank and having to save the hostages? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Hey killer, forget this dude, he doesn't like the game ... I agree about bringing back the bank.. I loved that from the orginal Vegas.. yo my gamertag is ZooM , add me, I host usually but my 360 is getting repairing right now.. In the next week or so I should get it back ..

Lets keep this sh1t rollin' http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you ever played any R6 game previous to lockdown youd know why I dont like it but know its always the same excuse with you halo/COD4 players you always want to make other games more like halo and COD4. In the end UBI is going to do something to ruin this game for you like they always do with every game thats great. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Gee, sounds like you should go back to Chaos Theory, and cross your heart and pray real hard that Blackfoot studios releases a real, fully functioning game (and isn't bought out by EA games or Ubisoft, as it most likely will be), so then you can frolic with your ultra realistic game, if it ever sees the light of day.

Or perhaps it's time for you to hang up the controller eh? The more I hear people decry how the games have changed and companies have "sold out", the more I laugh. I'm no business major, but I think the point of producing something is to...well sell it, and if you are successful enough, to "sell out" for maximum profit.

Hello, Ubisoft is EA games with a different nationality, the rise, success and domination of shovelware like the Madden series, which has propelled EA's meteoric rise, has made it so that if any company wants to compete (rather than just be bought out by EA games) they have to appeal to a broader audience. But you've heard this before, I'm sure.

You obviously don't care to hear it, and are nothing more than some forum troll who's still sad-faced over how he lost his favorite game.

Since we can both agree that neither of side can be assuaged, and neither side really plays with the other if given a choice. The only reason I play "survival" only gametypes is for acheivements. After I have the acheivement, I don't play it. If that makes me less hardcore than you, and others like you, I never said I was trying to be "hardcore". My gamerzone is "Recreational". I have no interest in the past of Rainbow Six, and it's past bears no significance on the topic at hand.

Ultimately, it should be up to the host. You have no counter argument but to cry more about how Ubisoft has failed you, and others like you.

I'm not going to be moved-I don't play Survival gametypes, and since I got the acheivement, I'm not going to ever again if given a choice. I'm sorry somebody's cat crapped in your cornflakes kid, but like I said, you might just need to clean out the bowl, and get yourself some cheerio's, and cheer the **** up.

You got your older "classic" games, and if as many people dislike the current games as it seems, then you've got a very thriving commmunity, so stop crying already. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If actually paid attention youd see that were not *****ing like you and many others say. We are making valid points and stating why we dont like the game. If you didnt read my sig correctly read it again it says I play Chaos Theory meaning that Im still playing it so theres no possibility for me to return. If you dont want to be tactical or any of those things then theres a reason why Halo 3 and COD4 were created to appeal the run n gun people. You call me a kid but you completely disregard my opinion, call me a troll and say all we do is whine but in fact if you really paid attention youd see that all we want is a tactical game and this used to be the place where you could find one. Games also get old and I dont want to be playing the same game for years Id expect a sequel with many improvements.

slickster205
08-15-2008, 11:19 AM
it should be the choice by the host. if people dont want to play with respawns so be it, thats your choice to make and the option is available.

i say give the unlimited respawn option to the host.. if people deside they dont want to play join another room,.. theres another option search custom matches to your liking..

thanks ubisoft and the rainbow six team for a great game but the respawns should be our choice regardless of how many people complained about it...

Trevak__Dal
08-16-2008, 06:04 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">youd see that all we want is a tactical game and this used to be the place where you could find one. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Obviously, it isn't anymore, so why dwell on what isn't? Its the same as me (and people like me) crying over how Nintendo keeps making the exact same games, over and over again. So do I hang out on Zelda forums, and cry over how I wish it was more mature?

No, I just don't play it, and accepted that Nintendo is in it for the quick buck. You, (and the others like you) should also realized that Ubisoft is in it for the quickbuck, and the quality games that they made before have been thrown to the wayside. It's unfortunate, but a fact of life.

Despite Halo 3 being a "run and gun" game, I find it extremely humorous that you could (the Host, that is) create a more tactical gametype than all that is available in Vegas 1 or 2, not to mention, play every objective game on every map, have anywhere from 1=10, to infinite respawns, customize respawn settings so that people have the same invulnerability that you do in Vegas 1 and 2. The only thing you wouldn't have, is the cover system, the blind firing, and having the ability to jump (but if you but High Gravity on, that would negate nearly all of the uh "Moon Physics" that people often decry as "unrealistic" when you are infact, playing as a Super soldier in power armor.

Hell even though Multiflag CTF is better on certain maps (Vallhalla or Pit for instance), you could still play it on Cold Storage if you really really wanted to-for that matter, you could go in, and rearrange where each objective is, and where spawns are.

Sounds like with a little elbow grease and headlight fluid, one could make a *gasp* dare I say, more tactical game than Vegas or Vegas 2.

So, whilst we are on about the whole "host control" thing, which I'm all for, lets say for "Vegas 3" or whatever the hell they are going to call it, that they (Ubisoft) pretty much makes Vegas 2.5, and includes all of the options available in Halo 3's multiplayer (capability to play A&D on Calypso Casino with a bomb instead of a package, or hostages for example).

It would be the best situation, for ALL parties concerned. The hardcore would be able to tweak their games to their liking (or as close to it as possible), and those of us who enjoy less ambitious recreations of real life can chop stuff up.

Something I've wondered since playing GRAW online, was why the restrictions in Vegas were so uh..."unrestricting". That is, you could set up a pistols only match in GRAW, but for some reason, can't in Vegas or Vegas 2...it has to be some kind of "honor" game (which I abhor, **** on Halo 2 Zombies and all custom gametypes without a timelimit), and sometimes some new perosn coming in, is ignorant of the fact that everyone is using pistols (its happened to me before, and I know it's happened to other people when I've hosted)

That was the point of the Thread Creator's post/poll; That Host Controll should be priority. If I get into a game where the people are playing survival-I get the hell out-because I don't like playing survival gametypes, as I'm sure when you, or your cronies aren't hosting your games, that if you happen upon a game where someone is hosting a deathmatch with unlimited respawns, you just sigh and move onto the next, or do you just suffer through it?

Life is too short to suffer through stuff you don't enjoy (if you don't have to), and to come in and post negatively (though it is indeed your right to speak your version of Truth as you see it), or rather, in a manner against a greater sense of Host control is just insanity.

I understand that you (and others like you) feel that you are losing/have lost what you once cherished, but why fight against something, that favors neither side, and only offers gameplay that would benefit both groups of people?

ERN456
08-16-2008, 07:11 AM
Fine then but I tell you UBI isnt going to listen to what you want. Otherwise they would have said something a long time ago.

z00m1978
08-18-2008, 07:20 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ERN456:
Fine then but I tell you UBI isnt going to listen to what you want. Otherwise they would have said something a long time ago. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's not true.. Ubisoft "selectively" listens to their fans .. That's a bit different than "isn't going to listen" .. How do you think the fan pack was released? They have "community developers" who sniff through forums just like these to try to get a feel for what US as fans, and those who actually play and buy the game really like and don't like about the game .. If they don't make the changes that most people want to see, then their next releases wouldn't be nearly as successful as they are .. If they are smart, they will patch it back to where the host decides ...

Lets keep this rolln' http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Lethal1940
08-18-2008, 10:58 AM
It has been over a month and a half since Ubisoft released the exciting fan pack.

How hard would it be for the Ubisoft development team to pass down some information to the employees on this forum, that they are working on a new patch to fix the issues in Vegas 2 and address players concerns??

I believe Ubisoft has abandoned Vegas 2 and we won't see anything new for it!
I would love to see fixes and new content, I just don't think it is going to happen.

I hope Ubisoft proves me wrong!
Time will tell .. but time is running out!

z00m1978
08-18-2008, 11:57 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Lethal1940:
It has been over a month and a half since Ubisoft released the exciting fan pack.

How hard would it be for the Ubisoft development team to pass down some information to the employees on this forum, that they are working on a new patch to fix the issues in Vegas 2 and address players concerns??

I believe Ubisoft has abandoned Vegas 2 and we won't see anything new for it!
I would love to see fixes and new content, I just don't think it is going to happen.

I hope Ubisoft proves me wrong!
Time will tell .. but time is running out! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I understand your concerns about this, however, most of us thought RSV2 was dead right before the fan pack was released.. It certainly injected some enthusiasm back into the franchise.. They just need to let go of the reigns, give the rights to the host, and the franchise could again be amongst the top MP FPS shooters out there .. Some fans see adding unlimited respawns/time limits as taking away from the realism .. I see the additions creating more strategy and allowing us players to have to rethink just running in and gunning , especially w/ time limits ... I think "team respawns" help create more realism and perhaps Ubisoft could make this mandatory when the host sets for unlimited respawns .. this way everyone has to wait until the last person dies on their team before there is another respawn...

GREAT POSTS fellas', lets keep it rollin' http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

SS.I-KilleR-I
08-18-2008, 05:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ERN456:
Fine then but I tell you UBI isnt going to listen to what you want. Otherwise they would have said something a long time ago. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

jesus man u sound like one of my kids when i ell them to go to there room after a breif arguement the end up saying something along the lines of " fine! but i am only going to my room becuase i want to"

ERN456
08-18-2008, 05:55 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SS.I-KilleR-I:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ERN456:
Fine then but I tell you UBI isnt going to listen to what you want. Otherwise they would have said something a long time ago. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

jesus man u sound like one of my kids when i ell them to go to there room after a breif arguement the end up saying something along the lines of " fine! but i am only going to my room becuase i want to" </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Im just accepting that I lost the argument there is no reason for me to keep arguing about a lost cause maybe it didnt sound like it but I have no more reason to post here if Run N Gun people dont want to listen to me then so be it.

Lethal1940
08-18-2008, 07:06 PM
At this point, my concern isn't about tactical or run and gun.
My concern is whether Ubisoft has abandoned Vegas 2 and us as a gaming community.

It doesn't take a month and a half for Ubisoft to post what their future plans are for this game!!!

If Ubisoft is working on a patch, why not post an announcement so gamers will have something to look forward to and know that Ubisoft hasn't given up on support of Vegas 2.

It would go a long way toward Ubisoft restoring a little credibility with the gaming community.

I don't believe that is too much to ask from Ubisoft!

z00m1978
08-19-2008, 08:28 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Lethal1940:
At this point, my concern isn't about tactical or run and gun.
My concern is whether Ubisoft has abandoned Vegas 2 and us as a gaming community.

It doesn't take a month and a half for Ubisoft to post what their future plans are for this game!!!

If Ubisoft is working on a patch, why not post an announcement so gamers will have something to look forward to and know that Ubisoft hasn't given up on support of Vegas 2.

It would go a long way toward Ubisoft restoring a little credibility with the gaming community.

I don't believe that is too much to ask from Ubisoft! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I couldn't agree more Lethal ... This patch is extremely easy and wouldn't take more than a couple lines of code .. Just package it and if you are working on a patch, let us know already Ubisoft!! It literally is what most people want! ... I don't like COD4, I got sick of Halo 3, my favorite FPS is Vegas hands down... I get my 360 back tomorrow ... It finally succumbed to the dreaded 3 red rings of death .. I've been dying to play some Total Conquest OR ATTACK AND DEFEND W/ UNLIMITED RESPAWNS ON CALYPSO CASINO UBISOFT, do you hear me Ubisoft? Where are my Community Developers? lol

Great post, lets keep this rolln' http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

z00m1978
08-20-2008, 07:42 AM
lets goo!!! we must keep this post in constant site of the community developers!!!


Lets keep it rolln' http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

AntiPersonnel
08-20-2008, 08:37 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Trevak__Dal:

Gee, sounds like you should go back to Chaos Theory, and cross your heart and pray real hard that Blackfoot studios releases a real, fully functioning game (and isn't bought out by EA games or Ubisoft, as it most likely will be), so then you can frolic with your ultra realistic game, if it ever sees the light of day.

Or perhaps it's time for you to hang up the controller eh? The more I hear people decry how the games have changed and companies have "sold out", the more I laugh. I'm no business major, but I think the point of producing something is to...well sell it, and if you are successful enough, to "sell out" for maximum profit.

Hello, Ubisoft is EA games with a different nationality, the rise, success and domination of shovelware like the Madden series, which has propelled EA's meteoric rise, has made it so that if any company wants to compete (rather than just be bought out by EA games) they have to appeal to a broader audience. But you've heard this before, I'm sure.

You obviously don't care to hear it, and are nothing more than some forum troll who's still sad-faced over how he lost his favorite game.

Since we can both agree that neither of side can be assuaged, and neither side really plays with the other if given a choice. The only reason I play "survival" only gametypes is for acheivements. After I have the acheivement, I don't play it. If that makes me less hardcore than you, and others like you, I never said I was trying to be "hardcore". My gamerzone is "Recreational". I have no interest in the past of Rainbow Six, and it's past bears no significance on the topic at hand.

Ultimately, it should be up to the host. You have no counter argument but to cry more about how Ubisoft has failed you, and others like you.

I'm not going to be moved-I don't play Survival gametypes, and since I got the acheivement, I'm not going to ever again if given a choice. I'm sorry somebody's cat crapped in your cornflakes kid, but like I said, you might just need to clean out the bowl, and get yourself some cheerio's, and cheer the **** up.

You got your older "classic" games, and if as many people dislike the current games as it seems, then you've got a very thriving commmunity, so stop crying already. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

this is an interesting post, mostly because of WHICH post it was made in.

so i ask you, if the name of the game is to "move on" when certain things about a game has "evolved", why havent any of the new fans blindly accepted these changes?

im talking about the "evolution" of Vegas 1 to Vegas 2, where A&D unlimited respawn was taken away.

is it anyone's place to cry about it or ask for it back? or should we all take the "cool guy" approach and belittle those who ask for elements of their old game back?


lets look at this statement here (which is the essence of the reason for this entire thread to begin with):
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> I agree .. I don't know why they went and changed everything that was good about the original Vegas MP .. It's like they are trying to be different, but different isn't always good.. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

and compare it to this statement here (which is the essence of another player's opinion in this thread):

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> I agree .. I don't know why they went and changed everything that was good about the original Rainbow Six .. It's like they are trying to be different, but different isn't always good.. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


yet you selectively choose to be a condescending ***** to only one of those opinions, disregarding the FACT that both opinions are essentially the same: asking for a critical element of an older game to be brought back into the newer one.

you smell that? that is the fecal stench of ones own hypocrisy.


you guys have painted yourselves into a corner here.

all this time you thought it would be the cool thing to tell off the "veteran" fans how "your game has changed, move on or stop *****ing" and now that this very same medicine is being put up to your mouths, by your own logic you are left with no other choice but to accept every single change Ubi forces down your throat, or else go find another game... since you dont seem to have the spine to stand up for anything you believe should be changed about the status quo.

Wikipedia: Divide And Conquer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divide_and_rule)

Ubi has us all by the ***, yet not all of us seem to know it.

z00m1978
08-20-2008, 02:43 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AntiPersonnel:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Trevak__Dal:

Gee, sounds like you should go back to Chaos Theory, and cross your heart and pray real hard that Blackfoot studios releases a real, fully functioning game (and isn't bought out by EA games or Ubisoft, as it most likely will be), so then you can frolic with your ultra realistic game, if it ever sees the light of day.

Or perhaps it's time for you to hang up the controller eh? The more I hear people decry how the games have changed and companies have "sold out", the more I laugh. I'm no business major, but I think the point of producing something is to...well sell it, and if you are successful enough, to "sell out" for maximum profit.

Hello, Ubisoft is EA games with a different nationality, the rise, success and domination of shovelware like the Madden series, which has propelled EA's meteoric rise, has made it so that if any company wants to compete (rather than just be bought out by EA games) they have to appeal to a broader audience. But you've heard this before, I'm sure.

You obviously don't care to hear it, and are nothing more than some forum troll who's still sad-faced over how he lost his favorite game.

Since we can both agree that neither of side can be assuaged, and neither side really plays with the other if given a choice. The only reason I play "survival" only gametypes is for acheivements. After I have the acheivement, I don't play it. If that makes me less hardcore than you, and others like you, I never said I was trying to be "hardcore". My gamerzone is "Recreational". I have no interest in the past of Rainbow Six, and it's past bears no significance on the topic at hand.

Ultimately, it should be up to the host. You have no counter argument but to cry more about how Ubisoft has failed you, and others like you.

I'm not going to be moved-I don't play Survival gametypes, and since I got the acheivement, I'm not going to ever again if given a choice. I'm sorry somebody's cat crapped in your cornflakes kid, but like I said, you might just need to clean out the bowl, and get yourself some cheerio's, and cheer the **** up.

You got your older "classic" games, and if as many people dislike the current games as it seems, then you've got a very thriving commmunity, so stop crying already. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

this is an interesting post, mostly because of WHICH post it was made in.

so i ask you, if the name of the game is to "move on" when certain things about a game has "evolved", why havent any of the new fans blindly accepted these changes?

im talking about the "evolution" of Vegas 1 to Vegas 2, where A&D unlimited respawn was taken away.

is it anyone's place to cry about it or ask for it back? or should we all take the "cool guy" approach and belittle those who ask for elements of their old game back?


lets look at this statement here (which is the essence of the reason for this entire thread to begin with):
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> I agree .. I don't know why they went and changed everything that was good about the original Vegas MP .. It's like they are trying to be different, but different isn't always good.. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

and compare it to this statement here (which is the essence of another player's opinion in this thread):

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> I agree .. I don't know why they went and changed everything that was good about the original Rainbow Six .. It's like they are trying to be different, but different isn't always good.. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


yet you selectively choose to be a condescending ***** to only one of those opinions, disregarding the FACT that both opinions are essentially the same: asking for a critical element of an older game to be brought back into the newer one.

you smell that? that is the fecal stench of ones own hypocrisy.


you guys have painted yourselves into a corner here.

all this time you thought it would be the cool thing to tell off the "veteran" fans how "your game has changed, move on or stop *****ing" and now that this very same medicine is being put up to your mouths, by your own logic you are left with no other choice but to accept every single change Ubi forces down your throat, or else go find another game... since you dont seem to have the spine to stand up for anything you believe should be changed about the status quo.

Wikipedia: Divide And Conquer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divide_and_rule)

Ubi has us all by the ***, yet not all of us seem to know it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


I don't see any validity or point to your argument ... Ubisoft just recently introduced a fan pack based on a combination of what Ubisoft wanted to see improved AND listening to the so-called "*****ing" we have here in these posts and other threads ... They have community developers who selectively scan through forums JUST like these looking for what they think are good ideas.. Most go unrecognized, but some get in front of the right people.. If there is enough motive, resources, and $$$ available, they will listen to the masses and release something if it benefits everyone, and THEY feel it makes the game better, as in the FAN PACK... Even if they don't follow through, then we can't say we didn't try . Your comments about being hypocritical are ridiculous...

"is it anyone's place to cry about it or ask for it back?"

Yes, I bought the game and contributed to their cause, therefore I have EVERY right to "cry" about a simple tweak.. If you played both Vegas and Vegas 2, you would realize they carried just about EVERYTHING over.. My question is, why didn't they carry over their best aspect? Did you pay(or didn't you pay) hard-earned dollars to play this on PC, 360, or PS3? I'm dying to know...

Rolln' rolln' rolln' http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Xanavi23
08-20-2008, 03:47 PM
I remember once upon a time, playing Attack & Defend, be it unrealistic, i would be my Teams main defender. The last line of defense inside the Vault.
I would stick in there and guard my package the whole match if i had to, even in over-time.
They would call that camping but i'ld always move and i just call it guarding my ****.
I like to Defend so it was always fun for me, especially when the enemy would eventually try and make a tactical strike on me with 3-4 members of the team coming down at once.
I wouldn't say i always survived it but eitherway it was a bonus in terms of action.
Goodtimes.

AntiPersonnel
08-20-2008, 05:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by z00m1978:
I don't see any validity or point to your argument ... Ubisoft just recently introduced a fan pack based on a combination of what Ubisoft wanted to see improved AND listening to the so-called "*****ing" we have here in these posts and other threads ... They have community developers who selectively scan through forums JUST like these looking for what they think are good ideas.. Most go unrecognized, but some get in front of the right people.. If there is enough motive, resources, and $$$ available, they will listen to the masses and release something if it benefits everyone, and THEY feel it makes the game better, as in the FAN PACK... Even if they don't follow through, then we can't say we didn't try . Your comments about being hypocritical are ridiculous...

"is it anyone's place to cry about it or ask for it back?"

Yes, I bought the game and contributed to their cause, therefore I have EVERY right to "cry" about a simple tweak.. If you played both Vegas and Vegas 2, you would realize they carried just about EVERYTHING over.. My question is, why didn't they carry over their best aspect? Did you pay(or didn't you pay) hard-earned dollars to play this on PC, 360, or PS3? I'm dying to know...

Rolln' rolln' rolln' http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
that is exactly my point. this genius Trevak pulls the cool-guy routine by basically saying "games evolve. move on or shut up" but ONLY when someone brings up the subject of how the old R6 features didnt cross over into the new Vegas series. yet when someone complains about missing features from vegas 1 that should be brought back, he says nothing.

my POINT is that "crying" or "*****ing" about ANY missing feature regardless if that feature is "tactical gameplay" or "infinite respawns" is warranted and NO ONE should tell you to "conform, or go away".

By trevak's self-contradicting logic, he is indirectly telling you to shut up and quit *****ing about missing features, whereas if you actually read my post in this thread or any of my posts in this entire message board i am a strong advocate of voicing your opinion regarding ANY of the missing features that this game series should have.

so everything you said actually reinforces what my original post is about. in case you missed it, i compared what you are asking for (infinite respawns back) as essentially the same thing as someone else asking for tactical gameplay back. even though those 2 things are asking for opposite things, lets boil down to what is really going on here: 2 different people are BOTH asking for something from an older R6 to come back, and Trevak pulls the high-and-mighty "shut up or go play something else" routine in regards to only one of those.

so in case you are still confused, i was actually defending your right to "*****" about R6 vegas (even though i dont particularly agree with it, but we all have the right to ask for what we want in the game), while pulling Trevak's double standard card in his face. because as it stands, the ideals that Trevak believes in totally negates everything that you are asking for in this thread.

MLGLORD
08-20-2008, 08:59 PM
They aren't going to listen, I don't know why people try.

z00m1978
08-21-2008, 08:17 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MLGLORD:
They aren't going to listen, I don't know why people try. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You know.. it's funny you should say that ... here's a great example of how wrong you are ..

I recently participated in the NFL Panther's Charlotte.com forum on a petition to get the Panther logo head painted @ midfield .. while they didn't paint the cat's head on the 50 yard line like we petitioned for, they DID paint 2 smaller Panther heads, 1 on each side of the 50 yard line.. Panther fans' prayers were answered, but in a different way... My point is, if enough people see this they "might" listen, OR , they will give us something that is not exactly what we wanted but close enough to appease...

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

z00m1978
08-21-2008, 08:27 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AntiPersonnel:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by z00m1978:
I don't see any validity or point to your argument ... Ubisoft just recently introduced a fan pack based on a combination of what Ubisoft wanted to see improved AND listening to the so-called "*****ing" we have here in these posts and other threads ... They have community developers who selectively scan through forums JUST like these looking for what they think are good ideas.. Most go unrecognized, but some get in front of the right people.. If there is enough motive, resources, and $$$ available, they will listen to the masses and release something if it benefits everyone, and THEY feel it makes the game better, as in the FAN PACK... Even if they don't follow through, then we can't say we didn't try . Your comments about being hypocritical are ridiculous...

"is it anyone's place to cry about it or ask for it back?"

Yes, I bought the game and contributed to their cause, therefore I have EVERY right to "cry" about a simple tweak.. If you played both Vegas and Vegas 2, you would realize they carried just about EVERYTHING over.. My question is, why didn't they carry over their best aspect? Did you pay(or didn't you pay) hard-earned dollars to play this on PC, 360, or PS3? I'm dying to know...

Rolln' rolln' rolln' http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
that is exactly my point. this genius Trevak pulls the cool-guy routine by basically saying "games evolve. move on or shut up" but ONLY when someone brings up the subject of how the old R6 features didnt cross over into the new Vegas series. yet when someone complains about missing features from vegas 1 that should be brought back, he says nothing.

my POINT is that "crying" or "*****ing" about ANY missing feature regardless if that feature is "tactical gameplay" or "infinite respawns" is warranted and NO ONE should tell you to "conform, or go away".

By trevak's self-contradicting logic, he is indirectly telling you to shut up and quit *****ing about missing features, whereas if you actually read my post in this thread or any of my posts in this entire message board i am a strong advocate of voicing your opinion regarding ANY of the missing features that this game series should have.

so everything you said actually reinforces what my original post is about. in case you missed it, i compared what you are asking for (infinite respawns back) as essentially the same thing as someone else asking for tactical gameplay back. even though those 2 things are asking for opposite things, lets boil down to what is really going on here: 2 different people are BOTH asking for something from an older R6 to come back, and Trevak pulls the high-and-mighty "shut up or go play something else" routine in regards to only one of those.

so in case you are still confused, i was actually defending your right to "*****" about R6 vegas (even though i dont particularly agree with it, but we all have the right to ask for what we want in the game), while pulling Trevak's double standard card in his face. because as it stands, the ideals that Trevak believes in totally negates everything that you are asking for in this thread. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I misread your post, it's getting a bit confusing with all these quotes added in to each response.. lol my bad, thanks for clarifying and you're right, it is a double standard ... i think if Ubisoft were to see this post they would enable Unlimited respawns on Attack and Defend .. I NEVER see anyone playing it except first timers .. Attack and Defend in Calypso Casino was definitely the most popular from V1 and arguably the best MP FPS design we've seen from Ubisoft.. Why in the h3ll they would want to take away their most popular map/mode from the original is beyond me ... I can't picture Ubisoft ignoring the MP statistics from V1 ..

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Xanavi23
08-21-2008, 09:54 AM
I always wished the Casino Floor in Calypso was bigger and more intricate like it was in V1 story mode. There was way more cover, way more obstacles and generally much more floor space. All 3 platforms would have handled it no problem.

ERN456
08-21-2008, 04:19 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by z00m1978:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MLGLORD:
They aren't going to listen, I don't know why people try. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You know.. it's funny you should say that ... here's a great example of how wrong you are ..

I recently participated in the NFL Panther's Charlotte.com forum on a petition to get the Panther logo head painted @ midfield .. while they didn't paint the cat's head on the 50 yard line like we petitioned for, they DID paint 2 smaller Panther heads, 1 on each side of the 50 yard line.. Panther fans' prayers were answered, but in a different way... My point is, if enough people see this they "might" listen, OR , they will give us something that is not exactly what we wanted but close enough to appease...

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You trust them too much if they wanted to give us something they would have either done it or implemented it to the game before the game was made.

David.Ubi.Cust
08-21-2008, 04:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted
My point is, if enough people see this they "might" listen, OR , they will give us something that is not exactly what we wanted but close enough to appease... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You obviously do not know Ubisoft enough yet. They don't give a flying **** about what people want or not. They rush a game the cheapest way and the fastest way they can, they overhype it, they sell it, they go to the bank, and then they move on to the next abortion.

The last thing they want to know is what people write in this forum. As a matter of fact, they don't even need to care; there are millions of lemmings buying their coasters like hot cakes.

z00m1978
08-22-2008, 07:15 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by David.Ubi.Cust:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted
My point is, if enough people see this they "might" listen, OR , they will give us something that is not exactly what we wanted but close enough to appease... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You obviously do not know Ubisoft enough yet. They don't give a flying **** about what people want or not. They rush a game the cheapest way and the fastest way they can, they overhype it, they sell it, they go to the bank, and then they move on to the next abortion.

The last thing they want to know is what people write in this forum. As a matter of fact, they don't even need to care; there are millions of lemmings buying their coasters like hot cakes. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Soo, a game like say, Splinter Cell was rushed in the fastest possible way, and you would consider that a "coaster" too .. right, I understand your points about Ubisoft not giving a flying sh1t about what people want and do not want, but I find it even more amusing that your avatar is David.Ubi.Cust and your quote pretty much disses them like they are garbage... you and some of these other splinter cell ***s have no business posting in a forum for a game which you obviously do not play .. another words, go bark up another tree! lol maybe the splinter cell tree perhaps??

Anyway.. lets keep it rolln' http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

xoops
08-22-2008, 07:53 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by z00m1978:
I find it even more amusing that your avatar is David.Ubi.Cust and your quote pretty much disses them like they are garbage... you and some of these other splinter cell ***s have no business posting in a forum for a game which you obviously do not play .. another words, go bark up another tree! lol maybe the splinter cell tree perhaps??
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

He has already explained the reason for his account name; one of the devs is called ''Goliath.Ubi.Dev''. I hope you can figure out the contrast without further explanation.

As far as posting in a forum for a game which he obviously do not play... I can't speak for him, but as far as I am concerned, the game I used to play is Rainbow Six, and it appears that all the R6 features are gone, so I consider that I have the right to ''bark'' (like you say).

A word about Splinter Cell... The first three titles were very good. However, Ubisoft decided to show its true color with Double Agent, and yes, the PC version of DA was just a rushed out broken port of a game already moving away from the original gameplay.

z00m1978
08-22-2008, 08:39 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by xoops:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by z00m1978:
I find it even more amusing that your avatar is David.Ubi.Cust and your quote pretty much disses them like they are garbage... you and some of these other splinter cell ***s have no business posting in a forum for a game which you obviously do not play .. another words, go bark up another tree! lol maybe the splinter cell tree perhaps??
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

He has already explained the reason for his account name; one of the devs is called ''Goliath.Ubi.Dev''. I hope you can figure out the contrast without further explanation.

As far as posting in a forum for a game which he obviously do not play... I can't speak for him, but as far as I am concerned, the game I used to play is Rainbow Six, and it appears that all the R6 features are gone, so I consider that I have the right to ''bark'' (like you say).

A word about Splinter Cell... The first three titles were very good. However, Ubisoft decided to show its true color with Double Agent, and yes, the PC version of DA was just a rushed out broken port of a game already moving away from the original gameplay. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Rainbow Six and R6: Vegas were designed with two COMPLETELY different audiences in mind ...it appears that all the R6 "features" are gone because Ubisoft designed the Vegas series with VERY loose adaptations of R6, Raven Shield, etc ON PURPOSE.. Vegas took a completely different direction, one which I happen to like more out of the two for multiplayer gaming... ARCADE style gameplay.. They used the R6 name/genre to try and attract a bigger audience.. big deal. Gaming software companies do this all the time.. why is that so incredibly hard to comprehend? It is a brilliant move if you ask me... As for the stupid subtle nuance and his avatar naming convention, great, thanks for pointing that out.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

xoops
08-22-2008, 09:11 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by z00m1978:
Rainbow Six and R6: Vegas were designed with two COMPLETELY different audiences in mind ...it appears that all the R6 "features" are gone because Ubisoft designed the Vegas series with VERY loose adaptations of R6, Raven Shield, etc ON PURPOSE.. Vegas took a completely different direction, one which I happen to like more out of the two for multiplayer gaming... ARCADE style gameplay..
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Now, we are in TOTAL agreement here!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by z00m1978:
They used the R6 name/genre to try and attract a bigger audience.. big deal. why is that so incredibly hard to comprehend? It is a brilliant move if you ask me...
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

False advertizing, straight lies, and deception are not what I call brilliant moves if you ask me.

As a final word, the tone of your last couple of posts is harsh and insulting, so I'm done having any further discussion with you.

z00m1978
08-22-2008, 12:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by xoops:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by z00m1978:
Rainbow Six and R6: Vegas were designed with two COMPLETELY different audiences in mind ...it appears that all the R6 "features" are gone because Ubisoft designed the Vegas series with VERY loose adaptations of R6, Raven Shield, etc ON PURPOSE.. Vegas took a completely different direction, one which I happen to like more out of the two for multiplayer gaming... ARCADE style gameplay..
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Now, we are in TOTAL agreement here!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by z00m1978:
They used the R6 name/genre to try and attract a bigger audience.. big deal. why is that so incredibly hard to comprehend? It is a brilliant move if you ask me...
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

False advertizing, straight lies, and deception are not what I call brilliant moves if you ask me.

As a final word, the tone of your last couple of posts is harsh and insulting, so I'm done having any further discussion with you. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's not false advertising, nor is it deception .. That's like if you were to smoke cigarettes and then come back and say to the tobacco industry "you caused my emphysema and cancer." It is up to you as the consumer to be buyer beware, read previews, and as a last resort, try the game out first before you lay out the cash.. That's what Blockbuster/Gamefly are for .. As for straight lies, well, most everyone lies so I'll have to agree with you on that one ..

If you misinterpreted my "text" as harsh and insulting, then I seriously don't know what to tell you.

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ERN456
08-22-2008, 04:11 PM
I complain because R6 was another of my favorite most played franchises. I complain in the Splinter Cell forums too and you have no idea how much theyre alike. UBI has disregarded all of our opinions in the SC forums just like in here. There is no communication here or there. There hasnt been any for at least almost 1.5 year in the SC forums. I can post wherever I feel like if you dont like it theres an ignore button.

Xanavi23
08-23-2008, 05:21 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ERN456:
I complain because R6 was another of my favorite most played franchises. I complain in the Splinter Cell forums too and you have no idea how much theyre alike. UBI has disregarded all of our opinions in the SC forums just like in here. There is no communication here or there. There hasnt been any for at least almost 1.5 year in the SC forums. I can post wherever I feel like if you dont like it theres an ignore button. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Freedom of Speech, end of discussion.

abnegnejs
08-23-2008, 05:28 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by z00m1978:
It's not false advertising, nor is it deception .. That's like if you were to smoke cigarettes and then come back and say to the tobacco industry "you caused my emphysema and cancer." It is up to you as the consumer to be buyer beware, read previews, and as a last resort, try the game out first before you lay out the cash.. That's what Blockbuster/Gamefly are for .. As for straight lies, well, most everyone lies so I'll have to agree with you on that one ..

If you misinterpreted my "text" as harsh and insulting, then I seriously don't know what to tell you.

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I would have the right to complain if the tobacco company falsely stated that the cigarettes are nicotine free. It's the same thing with Vegas 2.

z00m1978
08-25-2008, 03:46 PM
"I would have the right to complain if the tobacco company falsely stated that the cigarettes are nicotine free."

They wouldn't, and that is a weak analogy .. That's a whole different ballgame than from what I stated .. Tobacco companies plainly put on their boxes that smoking causes all types of diseases and EVERYONE knows that cigarettes contain nicotine .. So for someone to come back and say "you caused my addiction habits to cigarettes and ultimately my cancer" is beyond ludicrous ..

Explain to me in detail what Ubisoft falsely stated they would deliver and didn't with Vegas 2 .. I believe you have found yourself in a self fulfilled prophecy, among many others on this forum .. My post is asking for a simple tweak on an IMO otherwise great game in R6V2 .. Nothing more, nothing less..

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abnegnejs
08-30-2008, 02:11 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by z00m1978:
"I would have the right to complain if the tobacco company falsely stated that the cigarettes are nicotine free."

They wouldn't, and that is a weak analogy .. That's a whole different ballgame than from what I stated .. Tobacco companies plainly put on their boxes that smoking causes all types of diseases and EVERYONE knows that cigarettes contain nicotine .. So for someone to come back and say "you caused my addiction habits to cigarettes and ultimately my cancer" is beyond ludicrous ..

Explain to me in detail what Ubisoft falsely stated they would deliver and didn't with Vegas 2 .. I believe you have found yourself in a self fulfilled prophecy, among many others on this forum .. My post is asking for a simple tweak on an IMO otherwise great game in R6V2 .. Nothing more, nothing less..

Keep it rolln' http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm not saying that's what the tobacco companies are doing, it was a hypothetical statement. That's why I said "if".

As for false statements that n00bisoft has made about Vegas 2, how about the fact that they've said it's a "tactical shooter". It's about as much a tactical shooter as COD4.

jdub1993
09-05-2008, 10:07 PM
I think the host should at least get a choice to put respawns on unlimited or put on 1. No one put it on 1 on the first game so why change it?

GuardianFlash
09-06-2008, 10:42 PM
Plz Ubisoft don't change anything. Unlimited respawn breaks the game. In Calypso Casino all noobs does is get the package and then stay at their spawn until the time runs out and no way defenders could win cause they kept spawning at their spawn. Plz no unlimited respawn plz.

exterminatorm
09-09-2008, 07:16 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by GuardianFlash:
Plz Ubisoft don't change anything. Unlimited respawn breaks the game. In Calypso Casino all noobs does is get the package and then stay at their spawn until the time runs out and no way defenders could win cause they kept spawning at their spawn. Plz no unlimited respawn plz. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

What is your point? If you want to play in a limited respawn room, go find on. But if I want to play in an unlimited respawn room then well, I have to pop R6V1 in. There is no reason why we both can't be happy, and I don't understand why Ubisoft has to 'decide' for us to not have unlimited respawns, a feature available on the previous R6V1.

z00m1978
09-10-2008, 09:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by exterminatorm:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by GuardianFlash:
Plz Ubisoft don't change anything. Unlimited respawn breaks the game. In Calypso Casino all noobs does is get the package and then stay at their spawn until the time runs out and no way defenders could win cause they kept spawning at their spawn. Plz no unlimited respawn plz. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

What is your point? If you want to play in a limited respawn room, go find on. But if I want to play in an unlimited respawn room then well, I have to pop R6V1 in. There is no reason why we both can't be happy, and I don't understand why Ubisoft has to 'decide' for us to not have unlimited respawns, a feature available on the previous R6V1. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


I couldn't agree more, but unfortunately, Ubisoft appears content with their changes made ... My poll is indicative of what the players really want to see back from Vegas 1 ... It's a shame because the simple tweak would bring all the Vegas 1 players back into Vegas 2 and bring it back to popularity .. My feeling is if Ubisoft released the "fan pack" then they must at least give a slight hoot about what the fans really would like to see changed... They didn't release more maps, but they did make some much needed improvements in physics and gameplay ..

All they need to do is flip the switch from a maximum of 3 to unlimited .. A very simple tweak if you ask me.. I programmed simple games in Java, and I can't imagine it to be that difficult w/ whatever language they used here w/ Vegas 2 and the Unreal engine.

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AntiPersonnel
09-10-2008, 12:15 PM
just wait until the next R6 alienates even more of its audience.

z00m1978
09-11-2008, 01:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AntiPersonnel:
just wait until the next R6 alienates even more of its audience. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm not alienated by this simple needed improvement.. I still play the game regardless because it's fun factor outweighs its negatives .. It's not like I'm asking Ubisoft to make more maps, just apply a simple little patch that everyone who plays the game would absolutely LOVE to see really happen ...Just look at my poll results from a relatively small sample size and you can get a pretty decent estimate of what the general audience of the game prefers ... Nobody cares that "it doesn't follow the mold of a tactical shooter" , they just want a simple adjustment that used to be in Vegas 1 , not a totally new innovative tactical game..

anyway, keep it rollin' http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

z00m1978
09-24-2008, 03:20 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by z00m1978:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AntiPersonnel:
just wait until the next R6 alienates even more of its audience. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm not alienated by this simple needed improvement.. I still play the game regardless because it's fun factor outweighs its negatives .. It's not like I'm asking Ubisoft to make more maps, just apply a simple little patch that everyone who plays the game would absolutely LOVE to see really happen ...Just look at my poll results from a relatively small sample size and you can get a pretty decent estimate of what the general audience of the game prefers ... Nobody cares that "it doesn't follow the mold of a tactical shooter" , they just want a simple adjustment that used to be in Vegas 1 , not a totally new innovative tactical game..

anyway, keep it rollin' http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


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SS.I-KilleR-I
09-24-2008, 05:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by GuardianFlash:
Plz Ubisoft don't change anything. Unlimited respawn breaks the game. In Calypso Casino all noobs does is get the package and then stay at their spawn until the time runs out and no way defenders could win cause they kept spawning at their spawn. Plz no unlimited respawn plz. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

what a idiot defenders cant carry the package so how are they going to go to there spawn with it

ERN456
09-24-2008, 06:09 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SS.I-KilleR-I:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by GuardianFlash:
Plz Ubisoft don't change anything. Unlimited respawn breaks the game. In Calypso Casino all noobs does is get the package and then stay at their spawn until the time runs out and no way defenders could win cause they kept spawning at their spawn. Plz no unlimited respawn plz. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

what a idiot defenders cant carry the package so how are they going to go to there spawn with it </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think he means that the attackers grab the package and go to their spawn, camp for most of the time and make it nearly impossible to get the package since its their spawn meaning that the attackers will spawn and shoot anyone getting near the package. Now this wouldn't happen without respawns but hey go ahead you want your unrealistic respawns you can have them Im done with this excuse for an R6 game.

z00m1978
09-30-2008, 12:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ERN456:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SS.I-KilleR-I:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by GuardianFlash:
Plz Ubisoft don't change anything. Unlimited respawn breaks the game. In Calypso Casino all noobs does is get the package and then stay at their spawn until the time runs out and no way defenders could win cause they kept spawning at their spawn. Plz no unlimited respawn plz. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

what a idiot defenders cant carry the package so how are they going to go to there spawn with it </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think he means that the attackers grab the package and go to their spawn, camp for most of the time and make it nearly impossible to get the package since its their spawn meaning that the attackers will spawn and shoot anyone getting near the package. Now this wouldn't happen without respawns but hey go ahead you want your unrealistic respawns you can have them Im done with this excuse for an R6 game. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


LOOK dude who doesn't play this game and just likes to talk trash about it like he knows the game, the whole purpose of having unlimited respawns makes it more challenging for both the attackers and defenders .. If you can't see that or don't like it, then it's just NOT your cup of tea.. FINE .. Go whine about something else, because your points hold absolute zero validity here.. BTW, if you and the other smuck above were talented at the game, you would figure out that the key for the defenders or attackers to get the noob "campers" out OR kill ANYONE "camping" is to chuck a few grenades(frag, gas, C4, flash, WHATEVER) in the area w/ cover fire AS a team effort ... This type of game/mode w/ unlimited respawns is a CHALLENGE, REQUIRES communicators, and a consistent team effort.. If you can't figure that out, STICK to the solo campaigns or 1 shot you're out of the match die-hard hermit crab mentality, where everyone dies in under 60 seconds and then you have to reload the stupid map on a ranked match right away... go away, thanks!

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