Michael Ironside [Archive]

Ninjaryder1

07-04-2007, 05:32 PM

I don't understand what it is about ironside that everyone gets so uptight with... Yes he has a great raspy voice, but if it wasn't him voicing so what. I wasn't buying the titled game "Michael Ironside as Sam Fisher in Splinter Cell ConViction". He voices a CG character, without his voice the character would still live.

This game SC is really hurting. I do think inorder for this game to get back to the greatness again, they must drop Fisher and start anew. Start with a rookie even, build him up in a new series, get back into world espionage. Back to the days of great gadgets.

I think they have run fisher's character 6 feet into the ground and continue to try and dry hump a dead carcass. Let him go UBI, heck build a new type of bourne/game around Sam if you want, i for 1 want Splinter Cell.

People will buy SC with or without Sam, just let go.

tmgbhot

07-04-2007, 05:55 PM

Originally posted by Ninjaryder1:
People will buy SC with or without Sam, just let go.

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LoneInTheDark

07-05-2007, 09:42 AM

No Sam or MI, would be franchise suicide. Of course after 360 DA they probably took care of that anyway.

insanity76

07-05-2007, 09:52 AM

Gilbert Gottfried.

MKCC14

07-05-2007, 09:56 AM

I wouldnt buy another SC game without Sam, one of the best characters I have seen. I buy the game for SP and that would just ruin the feeling of it. Do you actually think fans would buy another MGS game if they killed off Solid Snake? Nope, they just keep letting him get older and older just look at him...

LoneInTheDark

07-05-2007, 10:06 AM

Originally posted by MKCC14:
I wouldnt buy another SC game without Sam, one of the best characters I have seen. I buy the game for SP and that would just ruin the feeling of it. Do you actually think fans would buy another MGS game if they killed off Solid Snake? Nope, they just keep letting him get older and older just look at him...
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forsaken2shadow

07-05-2007, 10:27 AM

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tmgbhot

07-05-2007, 11:35 AM

Originally posted by LoneInTheDark:
No Sam or MI, would be franchise suicide. Of course after 360 DA they probably took care of that anyway.

before DA I thought the same thing but even with Sam in DA the game just wasn't as good and convictions is looking worse than DA I mean if they couldn't bring sam back(which I'm sure they could)I wouldn't mind having a new guy in his place and I know a lot of people feel the same way

teengamer14

07-05-2007, 11:56 AM

i dont care who does the VOs as long as they do a good job

marinius

07-05-2007, 01:40 PM

I like Sam as a character and MI does an award-deserving job voicing him. Still, I wouldn't really mind that much if Sam was given a proper send-off and we got to play a new character. The important thing for me is the gameplay mechanics and the whole atmosphere of the SC-world.

Tidenburg

07-05-2007, 02:29 PM

MKCC,
Hate to break to you but they DID kill of Solid Snake in the second game, I played the first 3 and snake dies but then later on you see him again and he's alive! But you have to play as this ***** dude and the first game was defiantly the best.

MKCC14

07-05-2007, 02:40 PM

Originally posted by Tidenburg:
MKCC,
Hate to break to you but they DID kill of Solid Snake in the second game, I played the first 3 and snake dies but then later on you see him again and he's alive! But you have to play as this ***** dude and the first game was defiantly the best.
Snake didnt die then, I played the game too. I dont know why Konami made me play as that ***** Raiden, hes a whiny little *****. Snake was just posing as Iroquois Pliskin. I didnt play MGS3 though.

halo_99

07-05-2007, 04:17 PM

Raiden was awesome. He had that sword and everything... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Snake's better. But it would be great to play as the guard with diarrhea (first Solid game).

MKCC14

07-05-2007, 04:29 PM

At least he looks better in MGS4, now he just looks like a complete bad-***. But he will never take the place of Gray Fox...he looks like a rip-off of him, though.

Tidenburg

07-05-2007, 05:36 PM

MGS 1 was by far the best. I loved the whole way it played out and was soo simple yet immersive at the same time. Can anyone remember the cardboard box? Oh! and the phsycic guy http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

MKCC14

07-05-2007, 05:44 PM

Originally posted by Tidenburg:
MGS 1 was by far the best. I loved the whole way it played out and was soo simple yet immersive at the same time. Can anyone remember the cardboard box? Oh! and the phsycic guy http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Get his name right, Psycho Mantis (http://youtube.com/watch?v=agEdci5zEWo), the best villain for Snake.

Aj6627

07-05-2007, 07:39 PM

I think Ubi should kill off Sam after Conviction and start again with a new agent and new story. This way they could go back to light and dark, and have a new agent to do it.http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

But, then again, when does Ubi listen to their fans?http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Stealth_chill

07-05-2007, 08:06 PM

yeah tey absolutely destro yed sams chance of ever going back tot he way it was which sucks.

LoneInTheDark

07-06-2007, 09:13 AM

Originally posted by Stealth_chill:
yeah tey absolutely destro yed sams chance of ever going back tot he way it was which sucks.

Chili, you don't think Sam is strong enough emotionally to return? Do we know the same Sam? Losing Sam would be no different than the gain of crowd, oh wait, "active stealth". If the game ConViction is truely what I have seen so far, to those who think Sam's death is optional so be it. Sam doesn't belong there. No Sam, no stealth, no SC. It's just another video game.

tmgbhot

07-06-2007, 01:21 PM

I think they should give Sam another game called Sam Fisher and use active stealth in that game and bring in a new guy for sc

Ninjaryder1

07-06-2007, 01:28 PM

you guys are missing the point of SC, Sam is a Splinter Cell, not THE splinter cell. Just a character.

If they were ever to use sam in a SC shadow game again they would have to do a past tense game. This in itself doesn't seem probable as UBI uses games like SC, GR and RB6 to do near future warfare games not past tense.

We all bought SC for the great, well planned stealth action game, not for Sam Fisher, he was just the character we all got to know.

It just comes down to if you want SC to continue, you must accept Sam as not a part of it or not the main part. He could be used as a teacher to the rookies.

If we are to believe this game works like a real world spy agency, Sam would never be let back into any spy mission with the 5th freedom options available. he would be seen as mentally unstable and not fit for the job.

MKCC14

07-06-2007, 01:44 PM

You guys dont seem to understand the importance of Sam Fisher in this game. Ubi knows how important he is to the franchise, just like Snake is to MGS. If Sam was not so important and was just your average character we wouldnt have people today like the Fisherists. What is so great about him is that he is his own character, he isnt a rip-off of any other. Also, I guess he has things that other characters dont that make those Fisherists like him so much.

LoneInTheDark

07-06-2007, 01:46 PM

Originally posted by Ninjaryder1:

We <span class="ev_code_RED">all</span> bought SC for the great, well planned stealth action game, not for Sam Fisher, he was just the character we all got to know.

All? Don't include those of us who consider Sam the integral part of the game, including me.

MKCC14

07-06-2007, 02:05 PM

Originally posted by LoneInTheDark:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ninjaryder1:

We <span class="ev_code_RED">all</span> bought SC for the great, well planned stealth action game, not for Sam Fisher, he was just the character we all got to know.

All? Don't include those of us who consider Sam the integral part of the game, including me. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Actually I didnt even know what SC was when I bought it. I just needed a game for my xbox and saw a commercial of this guy with 3 green dots on his head and decided to buy it.

tmgbhot

07-06-2007, 02:31 PM

Originally posted by LoneInTheDark:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ninjaryder1:

We <span class="ev_code_RED">all</span> bought SC for the great, well planned stealth action game, not for Sam Fisher, he was just the character we all got to know.

All? Don't include those of us who consider Sam the integral part of the game, including me. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

so you originally bought sc because it had a character named Sam Fisher?

Ninjaryder1

07-06-2007, 05:38 PM

Well i can say TMG got my point. When the first SC was released none of "US" as gamers knew who or what Sam Fisher was. You bought the game because it looked kick-***.

Since that initial purchase you've gotten to know SF via story lines and such. Sam if not a member of Third Echelon cannot be a splinter cell. Am i right in saying that?

UBI cannot go back and reinsert SF back into third echelon, therefore to truly be a SC game we must have a new character..

As i said in my previous post, if all you "Fisherists" want to still continue with SF and the direction UBI is going great, this is the perfect time for UBI to split the 2 factions, SC and SF.

UBI seems to be killing all of their big franchises, GR/RB6/SC, all by game direction changes, shoddy game coding(ie lockups/major glitches).

Follow the game blindly if you chose to do so, i won't, this will be the first SC game i won't purchase and i know i am not alone making that statement.

MKCC14

07-06-2007, 07:09 PM

So that goes for all other games too? Just like we didnt know Kratos when we first played God of war. We didnt know Solid Snake when we first played MGS. We didnt know Dante when we first played Devil May Cry. The list goes on and on. All of those characters makes the game more enjoyable for some players.

Do you know how many people were pissed when they got to play with Raiden more than half of the game in MGS2?

LoneInTheDark

07-06-2007, 08:09 PM

Originally posted by Ninjaryder1:
Well i can say TMG got my point. When the first SC was released none of "US" as gamers knew who or what Sam Fisher was. You bought the game because it looked kick-***.

Since that initial purchase you've gotten to know SF via story lines and such. Sam if not a member of Third Echelon cannot be a splinter cell. Am i right in saying that?

UBI cannot go back and reinsert SF back into third echelon, therefore to truly be a SC game we must have a new character..

As i said in my previous post, if all you "Fisherists" want to still continue with SF and the direction UBI is going great, this is the perfect time for UBI to split the 2 factions, SC and SF.

UBI seems to be killing all of their big franchises, GR/RB6/SC, all by game direction changes, shoddy game coding(ie lockups/major glitches).

Follow the game blindly if you chose to do so, i won't, this will be the first SC game i won't purchase and i know i am not alone making that statement.

You really assume a lot, by using the ALL word. Number one, no I did not blindly buy the game, the first time I played it was at a friend's home. I was intriged by the character and the gameplay captured my total attention. Furthermore not ALL us Fisherists are backing SCC..I am one who is not happy with what I have seen up to this point. And for TMG to get your point isn't saying a whole lot.

Buck_Rogers007

07-06-2007, 10:12 PM

eh what they could do for SC6 is just have a story where there's so much of a serious threat that there's no one else to turn to and need to bring back good ol' Sam because he's the only one they can trust to get the job done because of his extensive experience. You know... Rambo II like...

Otherwise they should just start a whole knew branch of sc games. The continuing adventures of Sam Fisher! Or Sam Fisher Chronicles. Wouldnt it be cool to play as Sam when he first started? Where did he start? I forget but i thought it was Vietnam. Then just Continue the SC series with a new splintercell shadow style.

marinius

07-07-2007, 04:51 AM

Originally posted by tmgbhot:
so you originally bought sc because it had a character named Sam Fisher?

Lol, good one man! "Wow, a guy called Sam Fisher, I MUST buy this game..." http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

But seriously, to all those who for some reason find Sam Fisher as a character that important, that's your prerogative. I can't really understand it myself. Previous SC-games have usually been critizised for lacking in character-depth and development as well as overall story, so I can't see how Sam would mean that much to someone. I too like the character's dark and dry sense of humour delivered so excellently by Ironside. But I would gladly swap him (Sam) for someone else, as long as the gameplay remained true to the series.

Ninjaryder1

07-07-2007, 07:41 AM

Originally posted by Buck_Rogers007:
eh what they could do for SC6 is just have a story where there's so much of a serious threat that there's no one else to turn to and need to bring back good ol' Sam because he's the only one they can trust to get the job done because of his extensive experience. You know... Rambo II like...

In this day and age, you couldn't as a gov't organization put someone so mentally unstable in a job like 3rd echelon. It just wouldn't mesh right.

ox Se7eN xo

07-07-2007, 02:48 PM

i read somewhere that I was doing the voice for Sam Fisher

which comes as a surprise...http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

aniket_nayak

07-07-2007, 02:55 PM

Originally posted by Ninjaryder1:
Well i can say TMG got my point. When the first SC was released none of "US" as gamers knew who or what Sam Fisher was. You bought the game because it looked kick-***.

Since that initial purchase you've gotten to know SF via story lines and such. Sam if not a member of Third Echelon cannot be a splinter cell. Am i right in saying that?

UBI cannot go back and reinsert SF back into third echelon, therefore to truly be a SC game we must have a new character..

As i said in my previous post, if all you "Fisherists" want to still continue with SF and the direction UBI is going great, this is the perfect time for UBI to split the 2 factions, SC and SF.

UBI seems to be killing all of their big franchises, GR/RB6/SC, all by game direction changes, shoddy game coding(ie lockups/major glitches).

Follow the game blindly if you chose to do so, i won't, this will be the first SC game i won't purchase and i know i am not alone making that statement.

Well I find a character more charismatic than an organisation or a type of gameplay. I will buy SC as long as it has Sam Fisher in it. Even if it is a so-called "spin-off" game.

tmgbhot

07-07-2007, 03:16 PM

Originally posted by aniket_nayak:
Fisherist for life!!!

no you're not you don't have "Fisherist" as your title or are you now apart of the all female group?

LoneInTheDark

07-07-2007, 03:39 PM

Originally posted by aniket_nayak:

Fisherist for life!!!

Maybe we Fisherists finally found our honory male Fisherist member! Assuming you are male.

drdistracto707

07-13-2007, 04:10 PM

if micheal ironside is not voicing sam, dare i say it, i will NOT buy the game, his voice is just the perfect sam, i wont have it any other way

ox Se7eN xo

07-13-2007, 04:17 PM

Originally posted by Ninjaryder1:
UBI seems to be killing all of their big franchises, GR/RB6/SC, all by game direction changes, shoddy game coding(ie lockups/major glitches)

ARE you having a LAUGH?!

Ghost Recon Advanced Warrior was a master of a game that showed what the X360 was capable of. GRAW 2 bettered it

Rainbow Six Lockdown sucked, yes, but Rainbow Six Vegas was, again a masterpiece that showed what the X360 could do as well as show that after the abismal Lockdown, Ubi could still go back to it's roots and make a classic

and the same goes for Splinter Cell. SC rocked, PT rocked, CT rocked, DA rocked. If SCC rocks, then people on this forum who hate it will be eating their words, unless of course they hate it in which case they were right with themselves. if it sucks, then Ubi will probably go back to its roots and remaster the art of stealth

Jason-Bourne223

07-13-2007, 04:35 PM

Originally posted by S7N:

Ghost Recon Advanced Warrior was a master of a game that showed what the X360 was capable of. GRAW 2 bettered it

Rainbow Six Lockdown sucked, yes, but Rainbow Six Vegas was, again a masterpiece that showed what the X360 could do as well as show that after the abismal Lockdown, Ubi could still go back to it's roots and make a classic

and the same goes for Splinter Cell. SC rocked, PT rocked, CT rocked, DA rocked.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif Hell yeah!

EskimoBob32

07-13-2007, 07:22 PM

Originally posted by S7N:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ninjaryder1:
UBI seems to be killing all of their big franchises, GR/RB6/SC, all by game direction changes, shoddy game coding(ie lockups/major glitches)

ARE you having a LAUGH?!

Ghost Recon Advanced Warrior was a master of a game that showed what the X360 was capable of. GRAW 2 bettered it

Rainbow Six Lockdown sucked, yes, but Rainbow Six Vegas was, again a masterpiece that showed what the X360 could do as well as show that after the abismal Lockdown, Ubi could still go back to it's roots and make a classic

and the same goes for Splinter Cell. SC rocked, PT rocked, CT rocked, DA rocked. If SCC rocks, then people on this forum who hate it will be eating their words, unless of course they hate it in which case they were right with themselves. if it sucks, then Ubi will probably go back to its roots and remaster the art of stealth </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Why do you speak as though your words are fact? I know that many people in this forum would disagree with you when you say DA rocked. I actually thought more people disliked it than liked it. If all the people who argue that Conviction is still SC and have faith that it's going to be amazing also liked DA, well, that's saying something to me.

Also, back again with R6:V. We've had this conversation back in another topic, so I'm not going to repeat it all, but I have to flat out disagree with you when you say it goes 'back to it's roots'. Vegas was NOTHING like the original games. I thought it was all a bit standard FPS-ish, ie the enemies always seems to know you were coming, you entered the level at one point and exited at the other with no choice in the matter. But even if you disagree with that, you can't disagree with this: you controlled one character in Vegas, if he died it was game over. There were only 2 NPCs on your team which you could never have direct control over. There was no mission planning, no go-codes. If you got shot, you usually survived, and not only that but you were fine after a couple of seconds. If your teammates got killed, you could revive them back to full health if you got there in time. If not, it was game over. How is ANY of this 'back to its roots'?

MKCC14

07-13-2007, 07:25 PM

Doesnt need to go back to its roots, I never played a R6 game before, but R6V was a hella game and I am still playing it since it was released last year december. Many people also thought so since it was seen as best online shooter of 2006.

EskimoBob32

07-13-2007, 07:38 PM

You don't get at all what I'm saying, do you? I suppose that makes sense, you don't get anything I say. How many squad-based shooters can you name? I see no problem with playing something like GRAW if you like that type of game. Now, the R6 franchise is no longer a tactical shooter... so I simply have to find a new franchise of tactical shooters, right? Well, guess what. I can't. Because the only other (decent) one I can think of is SWAT, and it's completely different to R6, in fact, it's more like Vegas.

ox Se7eN xo

07-14-2007, 02:08 AM

Originally posted by EskimoBob32:
Why do you speak as though your words are fact?

cos they are http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

you can say all you want EskimoBob, but i take my idea that a game is great from the fact that it's sold shed loads of copies, all my mates think it is the best thing ever, all the reviews of the game say its amazing and the people who i talk to the most from this forum have also said it is amazing.

and by "back to it's roots" i meant back to being like Rainbow Six 3, not like the original Rainbow Six (which was completly different from the Rainbow Six we have now)

EskimoBob32

07-14-2007, 04:02 AM

I don't know if you realise this but just because many people agree with you does not make it fact. Believe me, this would make the world a much simpler place. But you still cannot deny that what you say is an opinion. Your opinion, and a lot of other people's opinion, sure, but I know many people who think DA sucks, and from what I have read at these forums the general consenus is that it does NOT rock. The reviews were generally positive, this is true. Did they all say this game rocked? No, I don't remember reading that anywhere. And anyway, these people get to play the game for not that long an amount of time before they review it. They can't judge things like replayability, and they definitely do not speak for fans.

Back to the Rainbow Six argument, R63 was the console version of Raven Shield, and once again it was made more noob-friendly. It can never capture the excitement of running through a facility, shooting down tangos as you go, before suddenly getting shot yourself and having to switch to the next player. It could never capture the thrill of successfully completing a mission you'd been stumped on for ages with 0 casualties, simply because you reworked your plan. I know the Rainbow Six we have now is nothing like the original, and that's what I'm saying is happening to the Splinter Cell series.

ox Se7eN xo

07-14-2007, 10:19 AM

Originally posted by EskimoBob32:
I don't know if you realise this but just because many people agree with you does not make it fact.

yeah i KNOW its not fact, but the way you're acting is that YOUR all truth and i'm not, so lets agree that we BOTH are basing what we're saying on opinion cos lets face it i'm basing DA's greatness on people i've spoken to, you're basing DA's downfalls on posts you've read on here (both of which are valid)

i havent heard anyone say its a bad game, apart from a select few on this forum (which is a given)though

and on the RB6 thing, yeah as much as i love RB6 on the console, it's still better on the PC. planning the missions is part of the fun of the game

MKCC14

07-14-2007, 02:21 PM

Originally posted by EskimoBob32:
You don't get at all what I'm saying, do you? I suppose that makes sense, you don't get anything I say. How many squad-based shooters can you name? I see no problem with playing something like GRAW if you like that type of game. Now, the R6 franchise is no longer a tactical shooter... so I simply have to find a new franchise of tactical shooters, right? Well, guess what. I can't. Because the only other (decent) one I can think of is SWAT, and it's completely different to R6, in fact, it's more like Vegas.
I get everything you say, I do not have a hard time comprehending anything at all. I just thought I could say my opinion too, I wasnt responding to you to say you are wrong or anything.

EskimoBob32

07-14-2007, 06:13 PM

I understand that, but someone (I think S7N) said earlier it had gone back to its roots so I was showing how it hadn't. Sorry, I didn't realise you were providing a different argument, I thought you were contradicting yourself http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

QLemont.

07-18-2007, 01:16 AM

I have the upmost confidence that michael will finish what he started do you know how much it would cost for bloody tom cruise and if somehow
he ever did smuggle his way into splinter cell you would know that series has sunk to an all new low more money goes into the acting and voicing in games that the actual feel and gameplay after double agent wich we all had so much high hopes for michael ironside is a respectable man and one hell of an actor
he makes thing beleavable and hes not tom cruise pricey http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif convictions should be the 1 of the last games in the series so expect sam to die or get the ( Agency ) to think hes dead and start life fresh is the ending im expecting but for i must go now farwell brethrens.

EskimoBob32

07-18-2007, 01:59 AM

The person who said Tom Cruise was joking. I would refuse to play the game if Cruise was in it, and I'm pretty sure Ubi would never, ever hire him.

yeah i KNOW its not fact, but the way you're acting is that YOUR all truth and i'm not, so lets agree that we BOTH are basing what we're saying on opinion cos lets face it i'm basing DA's greatness on people i've spoken to, you're basing DA's downfalls on posts you've read on here (both of which are valid)
It's good to hear you say that. I'd like to point out though, that when I said "Why do you speak as though your words are fact?" you responded with "Because they are" so your earlier posts weren't actually acknowledging that they were an opinion.

pietjevlip

07-25-2007, 08:34 AM

I'd like Fisher to stay in the games for a great number of titles (even a spin-off) but if he's in it, his voice must be Ironside... just because he's established himself as being the voice... I know I'm repeating myself, but I still remember how awfull Lambert sounded in PT... just because it was not the Lambert we knew... So if they drop Ironside (or he drops them, or he dies), they'd have to drop Sam...

I think UBI could definitely create a SC without Sam, but it is a good thing they haven't done it in conviction... As you see the response to the changes they already made... if you change, do it slowly and step by step... So it's possible that Sam might not be in SC6...