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Raakile91
10-25-2005, 12:07 PM
Ok I want to know some facts about camosuit before really start using is as my regular stealthy spy's arsenal. Many people take it just show they are wannabee cool ninjalike guys who creep you behind every corner but usually, from my own experience, they're just committing a suicide when using it near a merc.

Here are some questions that I would like to get an answer:

1st:
In which maps is camosuit useful, Or is it useful at all?

2nd:
Is camoed spy detectable with MT when moving at the slowest speed?

3rd:
Is it possible to fool experienced veterans with camosuit?

4th:
How far can you hear camo activation sound (a little speculation)

5th:
Any tips on how to mask the activation sound so that it doesn't blow you cover?

6th:
NOW IS IT actually worth one spot in my gadget list (when I've had to give up from 4 gadgets already)?

acdx
10-25-2005, 12:14 PM
1. I use it in orphanage and other large-ish maps.

2. No, afaik.

3. If used effectively, sure.

4. Too far http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

5. Activate it far away from the mercs?

6. On maps like orphanage, IMO, yes.

DrCactus
10-25-2005, 12:16 PM
My opinion

1. can be usefull in all. Most useful in, deftec, factory, aquarious, club house, Krauser lab, schemerhorn

2. No. When camo is activated the spy is practically invisible too.

3. Yes. It all depends on how and which situations you use it in.

4. pretty far. I don't know the actual distance.

5. Other noises that are close by easily mask the cloaking sound. A smoke going off, chaff, a flash bang, a grenade. However, I don't think zaping would be enough to mask the sound completely.

6. Similar to Camnet, you use it right, you'll wonder how you did with out it.

I'm in the middle of trying a whole different spy load out that consists of camo, heartbeat sensor, cams, chaff.

Frelli.
10-25-2005, 12:17 PM
1, I use it on all maps coz I just get confused by changing equip http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif. But I think it's best on big maps (factory?) and even dark maps (Orphanage).

2, Same as without camo ? EDIT: I see.. NO

3, Well not Solidus and Snakebit atleast http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif. But if you are a CK on Orphanage, yes (the orph vid :P)

4, No idea (would like a answare here too..)

5, Same as 4

6, Yea! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif



Peace out

Spekkio9
10-25-2005, 12:18 PM
1. I only use it in Station to cover myself when I'm sneaking on the rafters in sector 2.
2. You won't set off the MT sensor, but you can still be seen by someone sniping.
3. Yes, but it's very difficult
4. Almost anywhere in the map, but I can't always pinpoint where it came from.
5. Use it when there is a firefight going on.
6. Depends on whether or not it's working for you.

AppleJacks-Ck
10-26-2005, 04:23 AM
1. usefull on all maps if you know how to use it correctly

2. yes if you are close enough to merc they will see a slight outline moving. use it more for getting by an open area away from merc. most of the time you can just walk right by them when they lookin in your direction. also you can use it for mt *****s using mt for nvg...they will walk right by you if your in a medium to dark spot.

3. yes its possible to fool anyone if used correctly and at the right time.

4. you can hear the activation and deactivation from pretty far. but you can also just turn it on and off to fool with mercs.

5. use ambient sounds, fire fights, sleeping merc, sticky shock smoke chaff flash to mask sounds of the camo.

6. yeah its worth it but very hard to use effectively. its in my equipment like 80 percent of the time.

not only can you use it to hide but also for bait...let the merc see you and charge or chase you while he has blue vision on and ur partner will come out from nowhere to sleep or grab the merc....there are many many ways to use it effectively just have to mess around with it and find out http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

i still try new stuff with camo ....dont work all the time but you would be surprised what does work. just dont put camo on with merc right there lookin for you, you will be dead for sure.

Raakile91
10-26-2005, 07:11 AM
Originally posted by AppleJacks-Ck:
i still try new stuff with camo ....dont work all the time but you would be surprised what does work. just dont put camo on with merc right there lookin for you, you will be dead for sure.

exept if you're setting up a trap with your mate http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Omg Daybreak don't mimic my gadget selections, I've got those 4 items too. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif Also, if you make them walk past you, won't you grab them then? Or are you a fully nonlethal spy?

DrCactus
10-26-2005, 07:36 AM
Originally posted by Raakile91:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AppleJacks-Ck:
i still try new stuff with camo ....dont work all the time but you would be surprised what does work. just dont put camo on with merc right there lookin for you, you will be dead for sure.

exept if you're setting up a trap with your mate http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Omg Daybreak don't mimic my gadget selections, I've got those 4 items too. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif Also, if you make them walk past you, won't you grab them then? Or are you a fully nonlethal spy? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Depends on my mood. Most of the time I grab them, especially if I can benifit from it. Other times, I find it more insulting for the merc to lose a spy that was just infront of him. However once I do that, I usually forget about neutralising and focus on disappearing and reappearing for the merc.

I'm neither a leathal spy or non-leathal, but sometimes, if my game is on, I can be one of the sneakiest s.o.bs you can find. Just ask Spekkio how many times he's ran into me and not even know it. lol sounds funny but i always tell him he just ran into me.

vedran33
10-26-2005, 08:04 AM
I only use camo on maps where mercs can camp. I prefer heartbeat. It's pretty good, especially against sneaky mercs. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

FIN-Ravager
10-26-2005, 10:00 AM
It is very useful.

GiRlS-.BrITnEy.
10-26-2005, 12:10 PM
I just think its not useful and its **** ;D! Thats what I think about it.

Raakile91
10-27-2005, 10:37 AM
Originally posted by GiRlS-.BrITnEy.:
I just think its not useful and its **** ;D! Thats what I think about it.

You take that back if I'll manage to get pass you with it next time we play against eachother? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Cataclysm
10-27-2005, 11:10 AM
Maybe Ducus can offer his opinion. He seemed to be at odds with his camo suit last evening. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

Bl1nder39
10-27-2005, 11:14 AM
Camosuit, is usefull on all maps, and you can fool a merc with it. However that does not go for ppl, who use it in the style "oh no, by all means, I dont see them twsited fishes, behaind you", just learn how to sue it

element54
10-27-2005, 11:58 AM
i am personally not a big user of the camo suit. but i think it is perfect for a good stealthy partnership. it seems best used when a spy uses it to set up an ambush for the merc while his partner is hacking the laptop.

Red_SoN
10-27-2005, 12:55 PM
the camosuit is useful to move in bright areas if mercs are in sight but not too close.

ImportedSpy.CF
10-27-2005, 02:58 PM
<span class="ev_code_red"> Camosuit is good when you are far away from the merc and wanna get some place to another. Camosuit isn't good agaisnt me because A) I put my volume high w00t, I hear everything
and B) because my video card sucks *** I see like an outline of the spy perfectly when they put it on so http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif </span>

SITHDUKE
10-27-2005, 04:42 PM
In my opinion camosuit is best used to eliminate that "corner of the eye" that gets you caught. If a merc is strolling past too busy to look around properly it'll be the last mistake he makes...Untill he respawns anyways :S

lochang19
10-27-2005, 04:52 PM
Originally posted by Cataclysm:
Maybe Ducus can offer his opinion. He seemed to be at odds with his camo suit last evening. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

I seem to remember Ducus and Total.Ck having a discussion about the C.S. Total was of the opinion that it was worthless. I said he WAS of that opinion because Ducus grabbed him from plain sight using the suit in Greek the very next game. (sorry Total! but it was funny!)

MR.Mic
10-27-2005, 04:57 PM
If people start using camo, i sometimes like to remind them of the status of their camo whenever they use it.

"Camo"
"Uncamo"

goodkebab_00
10-28-2005, 03:53 AM
one good example of good use of camo:

i go into the lift of clubhouse.....to protect the garden hack....

and got my neck broke INSIDE the lift...i never saw the spy in camo in the lift

goodkebab_00
10-28-2005, 03:59 AM
the biggest folly of camo use is expecting to not be seen....in close quarters the camo is nearly useless. But its very effective in cases where the merc doesnt expect you to be using camo (like lift) or when the merc is distracted by your partner.

a good place to use camo is behind a corner or a box in shadow that is not in a direct line of sight of the merc...

Bionic-Blob
10-28-2005, 04:37 AM
hehe, me and splinterex tried out a new trick the other day and the mercs fellfor it 3 TIMES!!!

i can't say what it is otherwise everybody would know it ^^

goodkebab_00
10-28-2005, 05:54 AM
yeah i noticed you pulling some tricks on me with SithDuk......

goodkebab_00
10-28-2005, 06:00 AM
but I also notice a lot of these chewie tricks are working less on me....or least i am learning quick on where to expect them.

I noticed one of your spots is in club, on bottom floor garden when one spy hacks vents...the other hides behind wall next to the fence

Frelli.
10-28-2005, 06:34 AM
Originally posted by goodkebab_00:
one good example of good use of camo:

i go into the lift of clubhouse.....to protect the garden hack....

and got my neck broke INSIDE the lift...i never saw the spy in camo in the lift
I love that trick http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif‚¬®



Peace out

Toshi_
10-28-2005, 06:45 AM
Originally posted by Frelli.:
I love that trick http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif‚¬®

I loved it even more in the beta days, when you could put your back to the wall in an elevator...
Or can you still do that? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

goodkebab_00
10-28-2005, 06:46 AM
i have to admit though...that happened during beta, i have not seen it done since

dX.Gurgaue
10-28-2005, 07:10 AM
<span class="ev_code_WHITE">It has been done to me once and when I got grabbed I was like "I'm total noob!" and AcdX was laughing http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif</span>

Frelli.
10-28-2005, 07:45 AM
Originally posted by Toshi_:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Frelli.:
I love that trick http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif‚¬®

I loved it even more in the beta days, when you could put your back to the wall in an elevator...
Or can you still do that? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
You can only do that in the elevator near garden 1 and 2. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif



Peace out

Toshi_
10-28-2005, 08:28 AM
Uuugghhh... So it's do-able? I tried so many times and nothing! Hmmmm...
Okay... Now I know what to do for the next few minutes http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
BTW - can u do that only in Clubhouse, or also in other maps?

Raakile91
10-28-2005, 09:12 AM
ok is the spy visible if he's got his back to wall in the evevator and the merc is watching there, i always thought it was a almost invisible

btw all you people are saying that just use camo in places where the merc doesn't expect you to be. Well, in clubhouse, it's hard to that because the merc hears you with EAX so well cause it's a small map...

goodkebab_00
10-28-2005, 09:24 AM
a prime spot on club is under the camera in front of the glass doors....when a spy goes to hack and u hide under the camera with camo on...and back to wall....its a prime spot to get a neck....also when he is coming out.

Raakile91
10-28-2005, 10:41 AM
Originally posted by goodkebab_00:
a prime spot on club is under the camera in front of the glass doors....when a spy goes to hack and u hide under the camera with camo on...and back to wall....its a prime spot to get a neck....also when he is coming out.

thx for the tip but I still didn't get the answer on EAX thing. Is it just that most mercs ignore those sounds?

I know that smokes and other grenades work FE but you pretty much need your partner to do it, anyone figured out how to do it when not playing with your mate or when you split up and such...?

goodkebab_00
10-28-2005, 12:51 PM
answer on EAX thing. Is it just that most mercs ignore those sounds?

I know that smokes and other grenades work FE but you pretty much need yo


good merc wont ignore those sounds...but then they can also be tricked by the sounds.

Splinter Cell is all about teamwork...against semi decent mercs, you wont be able to win without teamwork because often a game is won by which side gets a neck.

DucusSumus
10-28-2005, 01:15 PM
I use the camo suit all the time. It is very useful, in my opinion, as long as it is employed correctly.

1. Camo suit is useful in every map.

2. The camo suit will not set off the MT sensor if you are moving at the slowest speed AND you are not moving diagonally in front of a merc that is not the host (because it is hard to tell who's who in a game, it is a safe bet just to avoid diagonal movement altogether). However, it is possible to see a slight distortion in MT even if you are camoed. Usually, though, a merc will only notice this if he's scanning for spies (even then, it's iffy). A "merc on a mission" (e.g. a merc going to stop a hack or check out an alert, etc.) will not notice you. It is in these situations that the camo suit is most useful.

3. Yes.

4. This depends on a few factors. First of all, if the merc does not have EAX, he won't hear it from more than about 6 inches away. If the merc has EAX and speakers, he'll be able to hear it from across a room or further if there is no ambient noise. If the merc has EAX and high quality headphones, he'll be able to hear it basically across the map.

5. To attempt and mask your noise, activate the suit during a firefight. Don't restrict yourself to activating the suit only during firefights, however.

6. This depends on your playstyle entirely. For me, I can't do without the camo suit. For someone with a more aggressive style, the camo suit is practically useless.

Toshi_
10-28-2005, 01:28 PM
Originally posted by goodkebab_00:
a prime spot on club is under the camera in front of the glass doors....when a spy goes to hack and u hide under the camera with camo on...and back to wall....its a prime spot to get a neck....also when he is coming out.
Yes, it is... That's why when I run there, I always check that spot with my laser (I use it A LOT http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif)...
And that makes it not very good hiding spot for the detected spy http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif
So it's not that good afterall http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

goodkebab_00
10-28-2005, 05:02 PM
i have been caught there a few times myself...so yeah...the fact that it leaves a spy so vulnerable to hide there...is what makes the spot so easy to overlook.

of course...experienced mercs are also experienced spies...knowing where all the real danger spots are.

dX.Gurgaue
10-29-2005, 12:58 AM
<span class="ev_code_WHITE">I have been testing camo lately and sometimes its a life saver some times useless.</span>

Raakile91
10-29-2005, 06:19 AM
Activating camo in the middle of a firefight is pretty d*mn hard for me, because I don't use smokes or flashes and I use chaffs only for mines and traps if they are in tricky spots...

btw, is pressure detector shootable/pickable and does chaff disable it for a while?

dX.Gurgaue
10-29-2005, 07:49 AM
<span class="ev_code_WHITE">Shootable pickable dont know about chaff</span>

Raakile91
10-31-2005, 12:28 PM
Ok I've seen myself how useful camo is when merc is coming to quickly sweep the room with MT (NeverDown walked past me 2 times in factory digger) exept when merc realize to turn on EMF. Don't good players use much EMF nowadays?

goodkebab_00
10-31-2005, 12:43 PM
they wont use EMF usually in bright rooms....but if they hear sticky cams, emf is always coming on to shoot out cams. Also, emf is used a lot in Museum to see through the ceilings.

The point is...good spies will rarely use their visions. Some levels though like wherehouse force spies to use visions alot to see through the boxes...so Mercs will use EMF a lot.

Levels like Aqua and Rivermall are so well lit that there is no need for visions...so EMF is used less.

Spekkio9
10-31-2005, 01:48 PM
I have thermal on like 80% of the time. I must suck.

Eclyps3
10-31-2005, 04:23 PM
Originally posted by Spekkio9:
I have thermal on like 80% of the time. I must suck.

Took you more than enough...

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

acdx
11-01-2005, 08:45 AM
is pressure detector shootable/pickable and does chaff disable it for a while?
If you're talking about the presence detector, yes.

Raakile91
11-01-2005, 10:10 AM
Originally posted by Spekkio9:
I have thermal on like 80% of the time. I must suck.

I take the later sentence as a joke but if you Spekkio indeed use thermal so often, is it because of poisonmines and spytraps or just eliminating low FPS?

Spekkio9
11-01-2005, 10:11 AM
To see traps/mines/passive defense lasers more easily.

scworld
11-01-2005, 10:29 AM
But you dont see flashlights of incoming mercs http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I bet that's what the other 20% is for

Spekkio9
11-01-2005, 10:35 AM
Who uses flashlight? MT does that for you. The other 20% is avoiding EMF.

goodkebab_00
11-01-2005, 10:43 AM
Who uses flashlight? MT does that for you. The other 20% is avoiding EMF.

hmmmm...but in either vision its not possible to detect the vision mode of the merc

Chimera87
11-01-2005, 10:44 AM
Originally posted by Raakile91:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Spekkio9:
I have thermal on like 80% of the time. I must suck.

I take the later sentence as a joke but if you Spekkio indeed use thermal so often, is it because of poisonmines and spytraps or just eliminating low FPS? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

what is low fps? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Spekkio9
11-01-2005, 10:47 AM
Originally posted by goodkebab_00:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Who uses flashlight? MT does that for you. The other 20% is avoiding EMF.

hmmmm...but in either vision its not possible to detect the vision mode of the merc </div></BLOCKQUOTE> In normal spy vision, the merc's visor is blue if he's using EMF, red if he's using MT, or yellow if he's using normal vision. What part of that is impossible to detect?

If you're referring to night-vision, I use that very rarely...only when I absolutely can't see.

burning_im_exil
11-01-2005, 10:48 AM
if you got fps-drops for some reason (most likely an old system) you can avoid that by using thermal vision, thats what he ment!

acdx
11-01-2005, 10:49 AM
Originally posted by Chimera87:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Raakile91:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Spekkio9:
I have thermal on like 80% of the time. I must suck.

I take the later sentence as a joke but if you Spekkio indeed use thermal so often, is it because of poisonmines and spytraps or just eliminating low FPS? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

what is low fps? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Frames Per Second (not First Person Shooter http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif)

EDIT: okay, okay.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

<span class="ev_code_black">@Chimera: I know there's a framelimite</span>r

goodkebab_00
11-01-2005, 10:50 AM
i will re-iterate

thermal and nightvision make it impossible to detect the vision modes of the merc.

...
but then everyone knows that already

Chimera87
11-01-2005, 10:51 AM
well acdx, i must admit ive never seen a higher fps then 32 (i think)

<span class="ev_code_BLACK">ya i know its a framelimiter</span>

but really fp**** never happens to me, unless im frapsing....

CAKE_Wha_
11-01-2005, 02:33 PM
If you click rapidly (assuming it's in slot 2), the suit doesn't drain any energy, and toggles on and off a lot. Would that work to mask whether you were using it or not? ...Provided you aren't only spamming the suit when you're going to use it.

goodkebab_00
11-02-2005, 02:23 AM
cake....would it work against u?

goodkebab_00
11-02-2005, 02:29 AM
but i do have to admit....walking 2 feet in front of a merc with camo on and he walks past you without a clue is as much fun as getting his neck.

Eclyps3
11-02-2005, 05:28 AM
Originally posted by acdx:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">is pressure detector shootable/pickable and does chaff disable it for a while?
If you're talking about the presence detector, yes. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It is also called a pressure detector since it detects pressure in the air around it. And are you sure it's chaffable?

DuRiNxxx
11-02-2005, 09:12 AM
1. Camo is useful if u know how to use it on all maps.

2. Nope

3. yeah if u really use it properly

4. duh , quite far

5. - :P

6. Yeah very, just if you are an aggro spy like hell I wouldn't take ithttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Eclyps3
11-03-2005, 05:39 PM
By the way a Merc who has the hardware to run his game at 1280x1024 with Post Rendering set to High litterally has no blur in MT. Thus it is still possible for such a merc to *SEE* you with MT while you are using camo(in some dark areas, too). Heck I've even been MT sniped while camoed and I am absolutely positive that I wasn't detected.

Duck_Soup
11-03-2005, 09:00 PM
Does the Merc Laser detect a spy in Camo?

Spekkio9
11-03-2005, 10:16 PM
yes

Raakile91
11-03-2005, 10:32 PM
yes, unfortunately http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

switch-spy.CF
11-04-2005, 03:54 AM
camo suit can be very usefell sometimes when you're around a corner when u put youre camo suit on they wont see you that fast now if you dont they can easily see youre arm and **** and in other words: than youre dead.....

Raakile91
11-04-2005, 05:14 AM
Originally posted by switch-spy.CF:
camo suit can be very usefell sometimes when you're around a corner when u put youre camo suit on they wont see you that fast now if you dont they can easily see youre arm and **** and in other words: than youre dead.....

I really don't see a reason to stick your arm from the corner because you can perfectly see there either way.

Raakile91
11-05-2005, 12:52 AM
btw the map where I use camo the most is probably Club house or Aquarius.

horror1985
05-10-2006, 01:47 AM
I use it in everymap cuz i get necks everywhere any way my most favorite places are:

station lift ohh gotten alot i mean alot of necks there.

clubhouse lift too.
clubhouse hiding behind curtains when setting off alarm in jacuzzy my favorite place for necks unless the merc is fast enough to get to stairs before i grab him,Had my screw ups cuz of lag...
and many other... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

vega13
05-10-2006, 07:53 AM
GET HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NeVerDown144
05-10-2006, 08:07 AM
i was like wtf when i saw that vega posted the last reply.. i thought update.. but tehn there was horror
name says all

Chimera87
05-10-2006, 08:08 AM
Originally posted by vega13:
GET HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Let's burn him at the stakes!


EDIT: ZOMG NVD posted *waves @ nvd*

NeVerDown144
05-10-2006, 08:09 AM
whers my sig?

Chimera87
05-10-2006, 08:28 AM
I stole it and threw it away. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

Daedalus.
05-10-2006, 03:26 PM
Originally posted by horror1985:
I use it in everymap cuz i get necks everywhere any way my most favorite places are:

station lift ohh gotten alot i mean alot of necks there.

clubhouse lift too.
clubhouse hiding behind curtains when setting off alarm in jacuzzy my favorite place for necks unless the merc is fast enough to get to stairs before i grab him,Had my screw ups cuz of lag...
and many other... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

YOU BUMPED A 7 MONTH OLD THREAD GG

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