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XyZspineZyX
06-18-2003, 11:37 AM
P42.8 - 1024mb - DDR - 64mbGf4mx440 - do you think that this will run lomac with everything turned up at 1280x1024 i realize that this system exceeds the recommended system but i am hopeing to play the game at this resolution and the gf4mx series is a rather poor card in many gamers opinions. I am hopeing to get the answers from beta tester or those of you who have played Lomac. Any recommendations for a good budget video card that is better than mine appreciated Thx in advance.
XyZspineZyX
06-18-2003, 11:37 AM
P42.8 - 1024mb - DDR - 64mbGf4mx440 - do you think that this will run lomac with everything turned up at 1280x1024 i realize that this system exceeds the recommended system but i am hopeing to play the game at this resolution and the gf4mx series is a rather poor card in many gamers opinions. I am hopeing to get the answers from beta tester or those of you who have played Lomac. Any recommendations for a good budget video card that is better than mine appreciated Thx in advance.
XyZspineZyX
06-18-2003, 12:05 PM
i doubt that it will run at that res. with all graphics set at highest. the mx series are serious memory bandwith limited, and you need a lot memory bandwith at high resolutions....

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XyZspineZyX
06-18-2003, 01:08 PM
Not to mention that the GF4MX cards do NOT support DX8. Having all details and effects turned on will be impossible on such a card as LOMAC supports plenty of DX8-specific features.

The rest of your system is fine as far as I can see, however. Just get a decent graphics card (GF4Ti for example, not too expensive nowadays) and you should be ok.

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-Trident
britgliderpilot
06-18-2003, 01:42 PM
Geforce 4 cards don't support DX8?

You mean my ancient Voodoo2 card, running 2.51 on DX8, is more advanced than a Geforce 4?
Wow.

Heh heh heh . . . that's cool.



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XyZspineZyX
06-18-2003, 01:48 PM
With the crappity crap MX you will have to settle at 800x 600 with a little low detail.
They lack the juice.
Like he said you need a new card, the rest of the system will hold the line.
If you want to squize max juice out of the rig, mem.
You will need the following components for speed and efficency.

Motherboard: (ABIT socket 478 Intel, IC7)
http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?action=info&p=34602&t=1403&l=2&AvdID=1&CatID=10&GrpID=10&s=pl

Graphics card: (Radeon 9700)
http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?action=info&p=29005&t=278&l=2&AvdID=1&CatID=24&GrpID=1&s=pl

With a system like this, you put your DDR in dual channel unless it is RAMBUS mem and buy the 9700 non Pro, Overclock it if you want.
And then my friend, you can tell the LOMAC slowdowns to go to ****

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XyZspineZyX
06-18-2003, 01:57 PM
Tridentm wrote:
- Not to mention that the GF4MX cards do NOT support
- DX8. Having all details and effects turned on will
- be impossible on such a card as LOMAC supports
- plenty of DX8-specific features.


What? Do you mean DirectX? I have a Geforce MX420 and that runs Il2 Sturmovik well and I'm sure it supports DX8 and 9.
Will LO-MAC support OpenGl?





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XyZspineZyX
06-18-2003, 02:00 PM
By the way, I run IL2 at 1024x768x32 and that works fine.

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That, in this world, is happiness.
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XyZspineZyX
06-18-2003, 02:02 PM
britgliderpilot wrote:
- Geforce 4 cards don't support DX8?
-
- You mean my ancient Voodoo2 card, running 2.51 on
- DX8, is more advanced than a Geforce 4?
- Wow.
-
- Heh heh heh . . . that's cool.


No, that's a misinterpretation, so let me set it straight. Almost any graphics card will 'support' DX8 in that it'll run with that version installed (even my GF2MX200 does). However DX8 features some new effects that weren't available in previous versions and these cannot be used on older cards that don't have the neccessary hardware in place. So your V2 is running on DX8, but can't use it's advanced features. Luckily Flanker2.5 uses none of them either, atleast where graphics (and your card) are concerned, so you're not missing out on any effects. I think F2.5 needs DX8 installed for something about joysticks, but I'm not sure.

Now comes the confusing part: there are GF4s and GF4s when it comes to 'true' DX8 support /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif : the MX series does NOT support the new features (but will run, much like my GF2), while the Ti series has full support with all the new effects. As I said in my first post LOMAC supports several of the new features (the water-effects are one example), so a GF4Ti or newer is the way to go.

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-Trident



Message Edited on 06/18/0304:15PM by Tridentm
WhiskeyRomeo
06-18-2003, 02:12 PM
Dont worry Tubo - you're good to go.
Maybe not at 1280x1024 - but good enough to get LoMac up and running while you learn the game.

And by that time, the prices of video cards will have fallen again, and you'll be able to get some REAL, first hand feedback, not just educated guesses. Besides, 1024x768 isnt all that bad anyway.... (at least until you're ready for 1600x1200 /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif )
XyZspineZyX
06-18-2003, 02:28 PM
Tridentm wrote:
- Not to mention that the GF4MX cards do NOT support
- DX8. Having all details and effects turned on will
- be impossible on such a card as LOMAC supports
- plenty of DX8-specific features.


I think he means it doesnt support AGP 8X... which isn't THAT big of a deal. All the gf4 cards support the latest version of DirectX.
XyZspineZyX
06-18-2003, 02:41 PM
hurleybrando1 wrote:
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- I think he means it doesnt support AGP 8X... which
- isn't THAT big of a deal. All the gf4 cards support
- the latest version of DirectX.

I'm not sure if MX-cards support AGP8X, but if they don't then it's not a big deal, I agree.

However, again: GF4MX series cards do NOT have hardware support for DirectX8-specific effects. They will run but can't use the new effects (heat-effects and so on). Hardware-wise they are essentially GF2s on steroids.

Only GF4Ti or better cards offer 'true' DX8-compatability with all associated effects.

There are some ATi cards with real DX8-support aswell, but the really good ones among them are quite expensive right now (so it may indeed be a good idea to wait - that's what I will be doing).

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-Trident
XyZspineZyX
06-18-2003, 02:45 PM
hi
i got a 1.4gig, 512ram, and a Radeon 9200 128, how do u think this game will run on my pc???
XyZspineZyX
06-18-2003, 02:46 PM
ohh yeah thats Athlon XP 1.4, by the way
XyZspineZyX
06-18-2003, 08:35 PM
With nice machine like you have, why not invest in a vid card that isn't so limiting to your machine! Even a GeForce 3 Ti200 would be decent, and you can buy one of those now for $80.00! Or for that matter, a GF 4 ti4600 for 160!

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XyZspineZyX
06-18-2003, 09:26 PM
GeForce 4 MX's are a glorified version of a GeForce 2 GTS with all of the associated features (or lack of features). You may run your card with DX8 or DX9 installed...however, none of the hardware required support for DX8 and 9 can function because the card doesn't support it. Simple.

So, whatever effects LOMAC is using (probably the heat and water effects) that require the pixel shaders from DX8 will not work with a card that does not on the hardware side support DX8.

If you want DX8 you need to have a GeForce 4 TI or a Radeon 9000 or higher. If you want DX9 support (note: no game uses DX9) you need a GeForce FX or a Radeon 9500, 9600, 9700, 9800.
DayGlow
06-18-2003, 11:35 PM
There is a difference between DX8 compliant and compatable cards. A DX8 compatable card will run a DX8 title. All you need is T&L and texture compression. A DX8 compliant card supports <u>all</u> DX8 features such as pixel and vertex shaders. The GF4mx card does not have the programable core, thus cannot support all of the DX8 features.

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XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 12:39 AM
it still amazes me just how many people post "will this run lomac well?" threads....

The actual answer is: Noone knows! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Unless you come up with a 486 machine.. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif lol
XyZspineZyX
06-19-2003, 10:02 AM
DayGlow wrote:
- There is a difference between DX8 compliant and
- compatable cards. A DX8 compatable card will run a
- DX8 title. All you need is T&L and texture
- compression. A DX8 compliant card supports
- <u>all</u> DX8 features such as pixel and vertex
- shaders. The GF4mx card does not have the
- programable core, thus cannot support all of the DX8
- features.
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The MX cards lacks Vertex and Pixel shaders, though it can be ignored or emulated, I have heard that MX cards emulate vertex shaders but at a CPU cost.
Also quality loss.
And yes, some MX cards DO support AGP 8x, which is totally useless for such cards if you ask me.

I know my rig will cut the game perfectly, also, when asking about wether it will run ok or not, please specify what motherboard you have or if it is prebuilt.
Because upgrading boils down to your motherboard.
And the best Socket A is the EPoX 8RDA+ perfect for speeding up things.
Best Intel Socket 478 mothterboard is the ABIT IC7.



Board didn't allow it, so call me Sweeper.