Automatic fire/ machine gun crash (MP5, G36K?)

[JasonFMTX1981]

OK, so I was practually running a calculator for a PC before (not that my new one is much bigger/newer/faster) for gaming and it served me well... VERY well. So well in fact I am still kinda reserved in the fact that I recently upgraded several days ago. Even though I did it very cheaply and will get a quasi rebate via selling my old stuff through Ebay (although now I'm kinda holding out on that option though, you'll see why).

My game ran beautifully before, I'm sure it didn't have the highest framerates in the world but I had it at a fair resolution and with fair advanced settings and it ran pretty smooth and looked pretty good and I had alot of fun. NEVER once crashed, NEVER. Never even attempted to. Now that I got my new system its crashed several times and its starting to scare me because its like GRAW1 infancy all over again. Before they got the final patch out GRAW crashed all the time. It was different for everyone but in my case you would be playing and all of the sudden "poof" the screen goes black instantly and you hear a click in the hard drive tower and the computer restarts. Thats not good for it. But in faith it would be fixed and that I was having fun playing I kept doing so, eventually I had to reinstall Windows because of that. Eventually all those improper shutdowns catch up with Windows. I eventually ended up making a mod that must of replaced the bad file that caused this because before the final patch came out all of the people in our group stopped having crashes that ran my mod. But, anyway...

I, like alot of you, are into PCs. I'm not just an average user. Therefore, I have alot of programs and alot of settings just the way I like them on my PC. Despite having my stuff backed up, like most of you know, its a SEVERE pain to put it all back on. For me to do it in my spare time a total Windows reinstall takes days to do completely,...that is to get it all back the way it was before the crash or whatever happened.

I just had to do this not that long ago before I bought my new hardware simply becuase it had been a long time since I had redone Windows and it was starting to get bogged down with junk and errors as it always does no matter how good you take care of it. Then when I got my new system I decided to go with a SATA setup just simply to keep things on the up and up of newness and the fact my board only has 1 IDE port. And I'm willing to sacrafice one optical drive but I don't know if you can hook an IDE up to same cable as an optical, and even if you did I would need one of those cassette style optical bay fill ins to put my drive in and I didn't have one and I wasn't buying one because I'm trying to save cash. Not only that, but I just redid several family's computers. So in short, I'm sick of redoing computers for a while so I don't want to have to do it again, espeically to my own now that I have it all configured.

Now, to the crash itself. It doesn't crash until automatic fire has been used. And since you know how intense some of the fights are I can't tell if its from me when I have my MP5 on auto or when the Tangos have the G36K firing. But, one, if not both, make the game crash. Modded and unmodded, including having the proper screen resolution being I have a 1440x900 resolution monitor. By the way, I notice on that widescreen patch they classify 1440x900 as 16:10, all of my research and experience show 1440x900 as 16:9. Is this a typo or did someone misconfigure something maybe and thats why this is happening? It also happens on all of the other standard supported in game settings too. Or could it be the fact I have a dual core now instead of a single core?

Old setup:
AMD 3000 64- standard freq 2.0Ghz, clocked to 2.24GHZ
1GB of DDR 400 RAM
K8N ASUS Motherboard with Nvidia Chipset nForce250-3
AGP 8X ATI Radeon Saphire X1600 Pro 500MHZ GPU, 256MB DDR2 800MHZ RAM, 128 bit, 12 pixel pipelines, 3.0 shaders. clocked GPU to 550MHZ
XP Media center 2005, all current updates
All current drivers except BIOS, I ran the manufacturers version


New Setup: (no overclocking)
AMD 4200+ 64 Dual Core
2GB of DDR2 667 RAM
Gigabyte GA-MA69G-S3H Motherboard
PCI x16 HIS ATI X1650 Pro 600MHZ GPU, 512MB DDR2 800MHZ, 12 pixel pipelines, 3.0 shaders video card
Same Operatiing system as above, same deal with the drivers. All updated except for the BIOS

I never updated a BIOS in my life becauase I was always scared to see what would happen because it warns you not to unless your having problems and I never felt like needlessly having to reinstall everything just to satisfy my curiousity.

I also apologize for starting a new thread, I see there was another crash thread but its 12 pages long and alot of it seems to be chatter and I didn't feel like sifting through it. Plus I wanted to see if theres been any new breakthroughs.

[JasonFMTX1981]

Wow, sorry that post was so long.

I also wanted to add, could it be due to lack of wattage? I am using the same power supply as I did on my computer. It advised having a 250-300 watt supply and my new one says to have a 400 minimum supply. Thats exactly what mine is, 400 watt. But EVERYTHING else works fine, even running other games. And Vegas doesn't seem to be bogging down or anything making the system work harder. At least not visibly (that I can tell). I know the game is a resource hog otherwise though. GRAW espeically GRAW2 kick this games butt at graphics and quality. And even Splinter Cell Double Agent, and they all run less computer specs and hog less bandwidth. On my connection I can host on those games just fine...but when running Vegas both on my 360 and PC I can't. I can play, but not host. Its like all of its going to waste. Like trying to run in the sand. Burning all that energy only to have it absorbed by the sand being pushed away from you instead of the sand pushing you away from it to go forward. Know what I mean?

[Lethal1940]

Your problem could be caused by a dozen things including hardware, or a software conflict.
Low power could be one of them.
How many amps on the 12 volt rail on your PSU.
I believe the recommended power for your card is 450 watts with 30 amps on the 12 volt rail.
(Check the specs on your box or manual)
It really should run with 20, but 30 is the recommended so could very well be your problem.

Something that might help:
Go into system configuration/startup tab, and uncheck everything you don't need running at startup. You will have to reboot and will then get a message with an option to check to not show every time you boot.

[JasonFMTX1981]

Thats a good idea checking on the cards power requirements. I believe it does have 30 amps running to it though. But some it may be some sort of power problem. But then... why would it work fine for GRAW 1 and GRAW 2 and video encoding? Just problems with Vegas?

I'm an MSconfig Nazi....I always have everything unchechecked. Except the dual core optimizer.

Thanks, I'll read my cards manual.

[Lethal1940]

Originally posted by JasonFMTX1981:
Thats a good idea checking on the cards power requirements. I believe it does have 30 amps running to it though. But some it may be some sort of power problem. But then... why would it work fine for GRAW 1 and GRAW 2 and video encoding? Just problems with Vegas?

I'm an MSconfig Nazi....I always have everything unchechecked. Except the dual core optimizer.

Thanks, I'll read my cards manual.

I have never seen a 400 watt PSU that has 30 amps on the 12 volt rail. Most 400 watt PSU's would be in the 14 to 18 amp range, although you might find a dual rail that has close to what you need.

I have no idea why the other games would run and not Vegas, unless like you said it is during heavy fire and it is causing a heavy load on your card. (Extra heat .. extra power)
Excess heat could also cause your system to reboot.

Maybe try turning all settings in Vegas to lowest just to test and see if it makes a difference.

Can't think of anything else unless there is a corrupt file, or conflict somewhere in your game files.

[JasonFMTX1981]

Well, I went and got a new power supply a 500 watt one, along with a new case.

Heat wasn't an issue, my tower practically has frost on it. Theres fans all over it, the new one is about the same.

We'll see if this works. I just turned it on now.

[JasonFMTX1981]

oh, and yeah my card was suppose to be 450 watts. It wasnt lited ANYWHERE on the system specs listed on the box or papers that came with it. I had to go to the site and download a digital manual.

I hate building new systems...so much stuff to match up properly. I honestly think this is the last time I'm doing it. I already have a 360, instead of splitting my gaming up I may just slowly convert totally over to that. You don't have these kinds of problems.

Either that or switch to a MAC and run windows on it just for gaming, but they are expensive as all hell.

[JasonFMTX1981]

still crashing

[ConsolesR4Kids]

Originally posted by JasonFMTX1981:
still crashing

One word: Ubisoft. It explains the crashes.

[Lethal1940]

Only other thing I can think of would be a corrupt file.
Have you tried a clean install?

Do an uninstall and then make sure you remove all files and folders (Ubisoft uses My Documents in Documents And Settings in addition to your game folder) and also remove all registry enteries for the game.
(Don't forget your user name and password so you can log back in)

Do a search of the registry.

I had to do a clean install on one machine a couple of weeks ago, and it fixed the problem.
(Quiting to desktop)

Good luck!
Without having your system in front of me, I have no idea where else to go.

I have 5 systems running Vegas with few problems.

[JasonFMTX1981]

Yeah I did all that. It still crashes.

I'm so tempted to put my old rig back together... if I wasnt so sick of messing with computers I'd do it... and after a bit of a break I may still do it if I don't sell it. It was an old inferior rig and it worked great.

This pretty much confirms the fact when Vegas 2 comes out I'm not chancing wasting $50 on a crash. I'm getting it for 360 and I'll wait until the price goes down before I chance it on the PC.

[JasonFMTX1981]

You wont believe this, I put Vista on my machine... runs better than it did with XP.

[funkmunky80]

yeh... vista's great... to all the people who try to say vista is a downgrade... NO... you need a better computer :P

Vista is faster, more reliable, more enjoyable to use... XPoo is jus that... poo.

So there's some compatability issues - there always is when you switch to a different operating system. So you need more Ram to run it (If you need to buy more ram to run vista, you were long overdue for an upgrade anyway)

:P

[JasonFMTX1981]

Vista runs good for me NOW, I have owned it since it came out and when it did I ran it a month before I was so disgusted with it I uninstalled it, put media center 2005 back on and until now I left it that way. I just figured with the new hardware configured for Vista and that they have had plenty of time to work on patches its worth a second shot. And one or both of the two things suggested above were right and now it works great.

Remember, I also said on my old machine XP ran flawless with Vegas until the new hardware arrived. Its all a matter of hardware/software configuration.

[scavenger67]

wow hey Jason was up dude? long time no see. you may remember me back during the SRT forum when you 1st came out with your mod for GRAW. in which i did love to use.

well i to had problems with this game back when it was new. the constant CTD and then the pc doing its reboot thing, that what drove me to uninstalling Vegas. and then having to reinstall windows to clean it all up.

i still think your psu is still to small, or could be. if the psu does not have enough amps to run every thing it will shut down certain items so it can provide the power to what does need it.

i have a link that has a psu calculator in it, which all you do is put in what you have in your system. as in hardware, fans gfx card or cards.

http://www.extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp

this is the link for the free version, there is a paid version which will go deeper into your hardware and stuff. but this will tell you, or get you real close to what you need for a psu.

i just redid my system just a few months ago. went from a AMD dual core to a Intel C2D e6850 and man this system rocks, 1st time that the Vegas tool had all green check marks for my hardwarte, lol.

hey i hope you get it figured out, since i to do know that reinstalling windows is the easy part, its all of the other stuff and settings that takes a few days to get it back to the way you like it. IE bare min of process running, is the big part of it and still have it stable http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[JasonFMTX1981]

Yeah hey I remember you. Good to see you.

But, hey, didn't you read the thread? I did get it solved. All I had to do was put VISTA on. And, I have a 500W psu now.

I'm gonna check that link out anyway and see what it says. Thanks alot, I appreciate it.

[JasonFMTX1981]

hell it only told me i needed 305W

[scavenger67]

doh i thought i did read all the way threw? guess i miss the part that said you fix it. well yeah that psu calc is not full proof, hell mine says a 650watt would work. even though i know for sure that it wont. i have a OCZ 700watt as a back up. since that is the smallest i could get it to run on. but i have a Tagen 900watt quad sli in it right now.

yeah i just reinstall GRAW and this POS game Vegas. since my clan RLC is going to start a gamer night every wk. that we all play as a squad like we use to.

i know this system i built now runs great, even with out the tweaks i pulled close to 100fps in game and now i have the **** blur removed it looks nice now.

even GRAW rocks on this rig. atleast GRAW has my res in it, unlike Vegas does not, Still. i had to use that wide screen fix for it to work 1/2 way. i need 1680x1050 now. just got a Acer 22" wide screen lcd, and OMG the screen in games looks so much better it aint even funny

[JasonFMTX1981]

good to hear.

I'll add you to my xfire, maybe we can get a game going......or maybe not, I don't see your xfire name, I thought I did. Oh well, nevermind.

[scavenger67]

hey Jason, my xfire name is scavenger67, but i have been using that new thing called GSC client, it has a good in game features and free, ventrilo quality voice coms to and its free. which is scavenger1 for that you should try it. so far it has some bugs, but they are working on it.

[JasonFMTX1981]

ill check it out