Boguey at 1 o'clock

[doug.d]

Found a Bogue TF in broad daylight, moving away at high speed, so I surfaced and gave chase, lobbing the occassional HE shell at 10 000 m to get their attention.

One by one the DD's turned to engage this mad Kaleun, at which point I would submerge and ambush them with torpedoes (full load, so a few misses didn't matter).

At last, the Bogue was alone on the high seas and I was more than happy to duke it out.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/Doug_Dread/Bog1.jpg

Hit something vital
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/Doug_Dread/Bog2.jpg

Thar she blows
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/Doug_Dread/Bog3.jpg

Anyone see a carrier around here? So much smoke...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/Doug_Dread/Bog4.jpg

One for Clive Cussler and the Seahunters..
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/Doug_Dread/Bog5.jpg

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[jooo9]

Hehe, how embarrasing for the Brits. An entire task force protected by multiple destroyers and a carrier are destroyed by a single U-boat. I would hate to be the guy who had to write that report.

[WilhelmSchulz.-]

It could be a American. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

[The_Silent_O]

Originally posted by doug.d:
Found a Bogue TF in broad daylight, moving away at high speed, so I surfaced and gave chase, lobbing the occassional HE shell at 10 000 m to get their attention.

One by one the DD's turned to engage this mad Kaleun, at which point I would submerge and ambush them with torpedoes (full load, so a few misses didn't matter).

At last, the Bogue was alone on the high seas and I was more than happy to duke it out.
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Out of curiosity, didn't the Bogue have small naval guns on the left and right of the the deck, one level down,...and did they try to engage you also?

I ran into a bogue and I think they had at least 3 guns per side engaging me?

[doug.d]

Originally posted by The_Silent_O:
Out of curiosity, didn't the Bogue have small naval guns on the left and right of the the deck, one level down,...and did they try to engage you also?
Yes, I was taking incoming fire (see fall of shot in pic 1), but the calibre was too light to do much more than get the crew's ears ringing. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

[The_Silent_O]

Originally posted by doug.d:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by The_Silent_O:
Out of curiosity, didn't the Bogue have small naval guns on the left and right of the the deck, one level down,...and did they try to engage you also?
Yes, I was taking incoming fire (see fall of shot in pic 1), but the calibre was too light to do much more than get the crew's ears ringing. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

...HMMMM....I took tremendous damage...U-boat net says it had 2 five inch guns and 10 20mm

[Kaleun1961]

This is a highly entertaining account and reflects great ingenuity and dogged perseverance on the part of our Kaleun. I am not wishing to be a party pooper here, just wish to point out that we can get away with some things in this game that we know would not have happened in the real world.

[doug.d]

I am not wishing to be a party pooper here, just wish to point out that we can get away with some things in this game that we know would not have happened in the real world.
That needed pointing out? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

[Baldricks_Mate]

Doug, you are a man after my own heart.

Lovely!

[Kaleun1961]

Originally posted by doug.d:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
I am not wishing to be a party pooper here, just wish to point out that we can get away with some things in this game that we know would not have happened in the real world.
That needed pointing out? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sorry, Doug, for raining on your parade.

[paulhager]

Very impressive.

I'm beginning to wonder if I'm being too cautious: I usually dive when I see planes, I avoid escorts (I only started engaging single ones when I got the Zaunkönig), and I break off convoy attacks if I feel the risk is too great.

Am I a whimp or what?

[paulhager]

doug.d - I've been intending to ask this for a while.

Your sig says Hawker-Hunter Driver. I assume you are in the RAF?

Seems like a lot of current or former military play SH3. I was never in the military but I am a civilian contractor for the US Navy.

[Rafe1]

I also didn't have a military career.
Wanted to join the navy but I got turned down because of an accident I had a couple of months before I had to be tested.
I love SH3 anyway.

[doug.d]

Originally posted by paulhager:
doug.d - I've been intending to ask this for a while.

Your sig says Hawker-Hunter Driver. I assume you are in the RAF?
No, just a civvy with a dream to fly a fast jet fighter. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

A couple of years ago, I was in Cape Town, South Africa and visited Thunder City (http://www.kapstadt.de/jets/index.htm). After some negotiating (...begging... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif), I convinced the owner it was a great day for flying and if I pay for the fuel (about 3 month's gross salary! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif), he could get some free hours himself.

He fell for it and up we went in the Hunter for a gut-wrenching aerobatic sortie. He let me fly most of the time when he saw I knew the basics (thanks IL2 and CFS!!), but took over when I lost it and when I blacked out at around 5 G's.

So yes, just a civvy, with a fullfilled dream now. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

[doug.d]

Originally posted by paulhager:
Very impressive.

I'm beginning to wonder if I'm being too cautious: I usually dive when I see planes, I avoid escorts (I only started engaging single ones when I got the Zaunkönig), and I break off convoy attacks if I feel the risk is too great.

Am I a whimp or what?
No, you're probably playing "DID", I don't, I prefer to see what's around the next corner, rather than play the first couple of years of a career over and over. Surprisingly, I seldom die anymore, I've learned that the enemy are not so tough in the face of calculated aggression.

[doug.d]

Originally posted by The_Silent_O:
Out of curiosity, didn't the Bogue have small naval guns on the left and right of the the deck, one level down,...and did they try to engage you also?

I ran into a bogue and I think they had at least 3 guns per side engaging me?
and....

...HMMMM....I took tremendous damage...U-boat net says it had 2 five inch guns and 10 20mm
Sorry for taking so long to come back to you on this Silent_O, but my books let me down, http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif all I could find on Escort Carriers was a pic of a gun crew firing a 4 inch gun (according to caption). JFS 1940, doesn't mention any escort carriers, either because they weren't built or under construction yet, or perhaps because Janes was censored from listing them so as to surprise the Germans with aircraft attacks in mid Atlantic.

Anyhow I found the info eventually, in-game, we should have been shot at by a single British made 4/50 calibre Dual Purpose gun (or 2 if a broadside), fitted to replace the American 5/38 calibre guns:


Bogue/HMS Attacker class

Displacement: 16,620 tons design full load (14,630 tons full load in RN service)
Dimensions: 465 x 69.5 x 23.25 feet/141.7 x 21.2 x 7 meters
Extreme Dimensions: 495.5 x 111.5 x 23.25 feet/151 x 34 x 7 meters
Propulsion: Steam turbines, 2 285 psi boilers, 1 shaft, 8,500 hp, 18-18.5 knots
Crew: 908 (646 in RN service)
Armor: none
Armament: 2 single 5/38 DP, 10 single 20 mm (2 4/50 DP, 14 single 20 mm in RN service)
Aircraft: 24 (20 in RN service)
Concept/Program: This design was the final development of the converted C3 type. Converted from incomplete C3 hulls, so a greater degree of conversion was possible compared to the earlier C3 conversions. Half of these ships, plus HMS Tracker were transferred to RN.

Class: RN classified these ships as HMS Attacker class. HMS Tracker was built for transfer and was not considered by USN to be a Bogue class ship, but was classed with the Bogues in RN's Attacker class. A second batch of Bogues are listed separately; these ships saw RN service as HMS Ameer class.

Design/Conversion: Developed from, and generally similar to, BAVG 2 through 5. Compared to earlier ships they had a longer and stronger flight deck, a much larger hangar, a second aircraft elevator, heavier armament, and steam turbine engines. The hangar deck floor was the original main deck in these ships, leading to difficulties in aircraft handling due to the sheer of this deck.

Variations: RN ships outfitted to RN standards.

Modifications: The RN ships were initially fitted with US 5/38 guns but were refitted with US 4/50 guns when modified for RN service; the US 4/50 weapons were in turn replaced by British 4/50 weapons when the ships reached the UK. Many of ships were completed with empty sponsons for 4 dual 40 mm AA guns, which were eventually installed in almost all ships. The single 20 mm guns were later replaced by dual 20 mm mounts in USN ships and some RN vessels.
Hope you find the info interesting. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

[Dominicrigg]

Bogue carrier In game they have :

2 x 5"
8 x twin 40mm bofors
20 x 20mm oerlikon

**Proud owner of a limited edition recognition manual.

Unfortunately the machine guns are all but useless in game, in reality your crew would be a mangled mess bleeding on deck around the deck gun. I wish there was a way to make machine guns as powerfull as they should be! Or at least more accurate towards people.

Nice story but something went wrong here!!

How many destroyers did you take out? Where were the aircraft? Carriers have aircraft on bombing runs if you surface, and you were very spawny http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I bet you couldnt do such dramatic things on manual TDC.

Thats your next challenge :P

[Chrystine]

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Very cool, Doug … http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I could just reiterate what all’s already been said here, but see no point.
To add the one thing I’d like to not yet mentioned by any of the others â€" great shots as always, too!

The first particularly is a real peach… http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

That’s some hard core U-boat combat there. Ain’t quite like pickin’ the cargo ‘daisies’ is it? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Great stuff, as always …

Best,
~ C.

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[doug.d]

Originally posted by Dominicrigg:
Bogue carrier In game they have :

2 x 5"
8 x twin 40mm bofors
20 x 20mm oerlikon

**Proud owner of a limited edition recognition manual.
Bogue armament: Mmm... devs didn't do their homework. Maybe it's not too late for you to get a refund on that suspect recognition manual. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


Nice story but something went wrong here!!
You're going to make me guess what you mean here, aren't you? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif


How many destroyers did you take out? Where were the aircraft? Carriers have aircraft on bombing runs if you surface, and you were very spawny http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
DD's = 5
Aircraft: Land based Sunderlands only, which I let my crew take care of while I squinted through the UZO, to try and see the flashes that would indicate hits at several kilometers. The carrier did not launch any planes.


I bet you couldnt do such dramatic things on manual TDC.
You win the bet, but I can't imagine why I should prefer to stop doing spectacular things!? Just look at what you're missing. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif


Great stuff, as always …
Best,
~ C.
Why thank you Tia, gracious as always and tolerant of people doing things a little different to the crowd, much appreciated. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Dominicrigg]

Tis a silent hunter III recog manual, tells me what arms the ships in silent hunter III have and what they look like so is very usefull. Wouldnt be much use if it was different to the game! Cant beat being able to check the paper manual instead of faffing around and having to look through the scope to see the manual!

It was also free so a refund would not be prudent!

The something which went wrong were the things which i asked about later, the aircraft cover ect. Carriers in my game have always had their own aircraft, are you running mods? They have their own radius for air attacks.

Im glad you had fun, more power to you. But i dont feel im missing out. Infact if i took on a carrier task force on the surface and took all the escorts out and then the carrier i would be a bit depressed lol. I would want to be killed doing that. Its like playing Rome total war and beating a unit of Pretorians with a Gallic spearband, if it happened i would be a bit gutted, even if the spearband were mine!

No need to be defensive i wasnt having a go at you. I would rather people take on Battleships with deckguns and win if they have fun, then be sunk by the same battleship realistically and not have fun. Fun is relative.

[Kaleun1961]

Good post, Dom. In the end it comes down to how we wish to play it and if it fulfills our gaming experience, however we play it. I like to play as close to realistically as I can, within the limitations of simulating a 3D world in a 2D environment. In my games, I try to emulate historical precedent and use historical tactics. If in the game I can get away with things that were not realistically possible, then I find that disappointing.

It then leaves me the option of playing in what I would term "gamey" conditions, or I can impose self-handicaps to try to simulate realistic limitations that the game is not delivering. In the end, this is my objective, not trying to beat the game. So, if I know that in the game I could get away with gunnery actions on a corvette, destroyer or something even bigger, I deliberately do not do so, as I know that in real life the chances of a U-boat doing that were extremely slim.

Notwithstanding the above, I do find highly amusing the antics which our forum members get up to, especially if they post an amusing illustrated account like Doug has, or like the video van Jast made of killing a destroyer with the deck gun.

[doug.d]

No need to be defensive i wasnt having a go at you.
Take note of the smileys and relax m8, one thing I almost never am, is serious. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Although, I like to stir a little here and there, just for fun. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif (Tip: If in doubt, always check the facial expression on my avatar before getting upset. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif)


Notwithstanding the above, I do find highly amusing the antics which our forum members get up to, especially if they post an amusing illustrated account like Doug has, or like the video van Jast made of killing a destroyer with the deck gun.
At last, someone gets it! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif