Realism:COD vs BIA

[paddockrulzok]

In my opinion COD is full of scenes out of numerous war films. Eg. enemy at the gates, the longest day. So can we really take their word for it that these events really happened? In BIA all of the battles featured in the game actually happened! Thats why it rocks!
In COD as i have said numerous times. The character you play can take gallons of lead without even flinching. In BIA however, you actually go 'ow god dammit that really hurt'and you find yourself running for cover. In COD You run the other way spraying the place to bits unloading and taking countless shots. After the 1st 2000 shots to the head you feel a bit of pain and have to take cover. The system sucks! Anyone care to say otherwise? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

[Bowzer2]

i like CoD for because of it's massive battles, there are lots of enemies constantly attacking you and you have many allies fighting along side you, other then that CoD is no match compared to BiA. if BiA had larger battles, it would blow CoD away

[hartsox]

cod2= -1

Brothers in Arms= +15

[Hartsock1982]

i agree with bowzer... it seems that in bia its mostly just u, ur squad, and the germans. cod is good for the large intense battles. bia is meant to be the realism experience while cod tries to make unforgettalble missions and intensity. overall bia is the most realistic for sure http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

[gustave.jany]

Hi!

I have found a 3rd party game that made me forget both BIA and COD.
Its Red Orchestra. (I posted in another thread before)
Any ww2 buff must play this game, since its very realistic. It uses the Unreal 2.5 Engine.
This game is set on the Russian front.
It is massively multiplayer based(Steam) but it has an SP mode.
The game features a lot of realistic stuff.
The sounds are awsome, the guns really do feel realistic, and the distant gunfire has the classic "pop" sound as it really should be.
Artillery call is available in the game, and the sound is immense. I have a poor headphone and it blasts my ears sometimes. Just Imagine a Dolby system. Also the arty sound is real, I can compare it because I have seen videos of incoming arty with high quality sound.
(pop, whistle, bang)

There are seperate infantry, tank and mixed maps so the game is well balanced.
The graphics are good, it takes a good PC to run RO.
The ragdoll effects are the best i,ve seen so far in a game, gore is also present.
The realism comes in really when you start using features such as:
Fixing Bayonets
Reloading MG
Chaning MG barrels
Manual rebolting (very very good feature, in CQB it is vital to be able to melee right after firing weapon)
Also the guns fire the correct RPM
Blur effects, when being shot at.
Ability to use bayonet while springing ( YEAH BABY WE CAN do violent,head on charges now)
(minor) Tracers richochet off targets
Leaning, Crouching sprint, Diving is present which are great features.
Surviving a dash across a 50 yard area is higher now since the enemy is got to aim.
Skills are esential since there is no crosshair and the gun does not shoot in a "cone" in the center of the screen, thus violent firefights might easily develop.
The maps are huge, some maps stretch 800 meters and the small ones arent that small either.
I thouroughly enjoy the game, its wonderful, just cant wait for Unreal 3.0

WW2 buffs should definatly try it!
(excuse me for the long post)

!

I have found a 3rd party game that made me forget both BIA and COD.
Its Red Orchestra. (I posted in another thread before)
Any ww2 buff must play this game, since its very realistic. It uses the Unreal 2.5 Engine.
This game is set on the Russian front.
It is massively multiplayer based(Steam) but it has an SP mode.
The game features a lot of realistic stuff.
The sounds are awsome, the guns really do feel realistic, and the distant gunfire has the classic "pop" sound as it really should be.
Artillery call is available in the game, and the sound is immense. I have a poor headphone and it blasts my ears sometimes. Just Imagine a Dolby system. Also the arty sound is real, I can compare it because I have seen videos of incoming arty with high quality sound.
(pop, whistle, bang)

There are seperate infantry, tank and mixed maps so the game is well balanced.
The graphics are good, it takes a good PC to run RO.
The ragdoll effects are the best i,ve seen so far in a game, gore is also present.
The realism comes in really when you start using features such as:
Fixing Bayonets
Reloading MG
Chaning MG barrels
Manual rebolting (very very good feature, in CQB it is vital to be able to melee right after firing weapon)
Also the guns fire the correct RPM
Blur effects, when being shot at.
Ability to use bayonet while springing ( YEAH BABY WE CAN do violent,head on charges now)
(minor) Tracers richochet off targets
Leaning, Crouching sprint, Diving is present which are great features.
Surviving a dash across a 50 yard area is higher now since the enemy is got to aim.
Skills are esential since there is no crosshair and the gun does not shoot in a "cone" in the center of the screen, thus violent firefights might easily develop.
The maps are huge, some maps stretch 800 meters and the small ones arent that small either.
I thouroughly enjoy the game, its wonderful, just cant wait for Unreal 3.0

WW2 buffs should definatly try it!
(excuse me for the long post)

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[paddockrulzok]

Ok when you say eib or rth30 isn't intense. Cast your minds back to the huge and i mean hugeley intense battle at hill 30. IT TAKES UP 3 FRIKKING LVLS IN RTH30. 3 FRIKKING LVLS OF AWESOME GUNFIGHTING ACTION. people getting their throats blown out. Legget getting his guts blown out all over the place (literally, no joke, i say again no joke) 'You want me ****ing take me!' ringing any bells? Also the battle for hill 30 in eib is pretty dam fine as well. Holding off countless jerries and killing 2 i repeat 2 tanks! How can u say thats not intense?
'The only good perp, is a dead perp' Judge Dredd http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

[Krookie]

Brothers in Arms for single player

CoD2 for multiplayer

That'll change with Hells Highway though. The multiplayer there will be amazing.

[hartsox]

skirmish in eib blows the * IM GOD* multiplayer in cod

[Raccoon_2]

COD 2 is frustrating. BIA is relaxing http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif
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[hartsox]

it's relaxing until you turn a corner into an MG 42, then it's freaking hairasing

[paddockrulzok]

Yeh i suppose so...(BIA WINS HANDS DOWN EVERY FRIKKING TIME) oops cough did i just say that? (COD2 SUCKS) no contest really.

'Your rights will be read at your funeral' Max Payne

[Goldgarand]

COD 2 is NOT a run a shoot game if you turn the setting harder. If you put the setting to veteran, you have to run for cover as soon as you get shot. In some places they shoot you as soon as you get out of cover. In BIA, it is a more realistic game for sure, but every German has such Crappy aim during a fire fight. COD 2 deserves more credit than it gets.

[Mozzerman]

Red orchastra blows both games out of the water. It takes large battles and includes some of the sweet tactics in BIA, and the guns are easier than BIA, but much harder than COD.

[Raccoon_2]

Originally posted by Goldgarand:
COD 2 is NOT a run a shoot game if you turn the setting harder. If you put the setting to veteran, you have to run for cover as soon as you get shot. In some places they shoot you as soon as you get out of cover. In BIA, it is a more realistic game for sure, but every German has such Crappy aim during a fire fight. COD 2 deserves more credit than it gets.

on the veteran difficulty the game is even worse I think. Picture the scene with the Normandy beach landing. When you get on top there are is an MG some on the left (about 200 meters farther of the cliffs?). This MG always aims at you. When I look through the scope of my sniperrifle I see every half minute 2 Americans passing that MG and the bunker next to it, without being shot at. When I finally cross the whole German defense line I should see more than 50 US soldiers. But instead I see only one small squad.

Germans always stand in the open, and the US soldiers do the same. Like BIA it can be full of STG 44s.

The worst is Stalingrad where the Germans keep throwing grenades at me. 4 or 5 grenades in a split second, though previously stated in the slide show: The gemrans are running out of ammo.

The more difficult it gets, the more unrealsitic it will be. That's my opinion. But you shouldn't buy COD 2 for realism and authenticity. You should buy it to shoot and run.

[shameful_larva]

Originally posted by Raccoon_2:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Goldgarand:
COD 2 is NOT a run a shoot game if you turn the setting harder. If you put the setting to veteran, you have to run for cover as soon as you get shot. In some places they shoot you as soon as you get out of cover. In BIA, it is a more realistic game for sure, but every German has such Crappy aim during a fire fight. COD 2 deserves more credit than it gets.

on the veteran difficulty the game is even worse I think. Picture the scene with the Normandy beach landing. When you get on top there are is an MG some on the left (about 200 meters farther of the cliffs?). This MG always aims at you. When I look through the scope of my sniperrifle I see every half minute 2 Americans passing that MG and the bunker next to it, without being shot at. When I finally cross the whole German defense line I should see more than 50 US soldiers. But instead I see only one small squad.

Germans always stand in the open, and the US soldiers do the same. Like BIA it can be full of STG 44s.

The worst is Stalingrad where the Germans keep throwing grenades at me. 4 or 5 grenades in a split second, though previously stated in the slide show: The gemrans are running out of ammo.

The more difficult it gets, the more unrealsitic it will be. That's my opinion. But you shouldn't buy COD 2 for realism and authenticity. You should buy it to shoot and run. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Amen. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif
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[Raccoon_2]

I'm making a lot of spelling mistakes here... gemrans http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

COD 2:

- A Gewehr 43 used in the Afrika korps by the year 1942
- A Gewehr 43 used by the 6th Army in Stalingrad
- Panzerschreck used by the Afrika korps in 1942 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif
- Panzerkampfwagen 2 has a longer range than crusader tanks... I doubt, I'm not an expert but I doubt.
- The same tank it used ove rand over again in Stalingrad even though more version of the panzerkampfwagen 3 were made by then.
- Every German has a luger, though many Germans hated that pistol.
- Many Germans are fat http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

[Goldgarand]

Originally posted by Raccoon_2:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Goldgarand:
COD 2 is NOT a run a shoot game if you turn the setting harder. If you put the setting to veteran, you have to run for cover as soon as you get shot. In some places they shoot you as soon as you get out of cover. In BIA, it is a more realistic game for sure, but every German has such Crappy aim during a fire fight. COD 2 deserves more credit than it gets.

on the veteran difficulty the game is even worse I think. Picture the scene with the Normandy beach landing. When you get on top there are is an MG some on the left (about 200 meters farther of the cliffs?). This MG always aims at you. When I look through the scope of my sniperrifle I see every half minute 2 Americans passing that MG and the bunker next to it, without being shot at. When I finally cross the whole German defense line I should see more than 50 US soldiers. But instead I see only one small squad.

Germans always stand in the open, and the US soldiers do the same. Like BIA it can be full of STG 44s.

The worst is Stalingrad where the Germans keep throwing grenades at me. 4 or 5 grenades in a split second, though previously stated in the slide show: The gemrans are running out of ammo.

The more difficult it gets, the more unrealsitic it will be. That's my opinion. But you shouldn't buy COD 2 for realism and authenticity. You should buy it to shoot and run. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I dont think that the germans and allies all stand in the open. They take cover just as they do in BIA. In BIA i played on authentic for the first time. To test how real it would be, i took out a squad of germans and left one man behind. I stood up behind a wall, about 7 metres in front of him without suppressing him and didnt do anything. It took him about 15 shots with his rifle to finally hit me. In COD 2, the Germans would gun you down in a second.

[K.Turnhout]

I think the good part of CoD is that you can easily pick it up and play the game. In my oppinon BIA is asking much more concentriation and effort. But this is also a good point. BIA is much more realistic then CoD. The only onrealistic thing is the M1 Garand, you can reload it at any time http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif thit is not very realistic. What I also like of BIA is the realistic places, in my holiday I've been to several places of the game and it was completly or mostly the same, very cool http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif But as I sad before CoD is for the moments that you such want some quick action and play easily and BIA is for the real experience and if you want a real challenge. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

[RetardedPanda69]

Originally posted by Raccoon_2:
I'm making a lot of spelling mistakes here... gemrans http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

COD 2:

- A Gewehr 43 used in the Afrika korps by the year 1942
- A Gewehr 43 used by the 6th Army in Stalingrad
- Panzerschreck used by the Afrika korps in 1942 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif
- Panzerkampfwagen 2 has a longer range than crusader tanks... I doubt, I'm not an expert but I doubt.
- The same tank it used ove rand over again in Stalingrad even though more version of the panzerkampfwagen 3 were made by then.
- Every German has a luger, though many Germans hated that pistol.
- Many Germans are fat http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif


They made a lot of the Germans fat because everybody wants to make it seem like there's an evil and good side in war, which is also why CoD sucks. If you know as much about war as I do, then you'd realize that whoever even THOUGHT UP CoD doesn't know a damn thing about war. If anything, all of the Americans should be fat. (I'm American, but this country sucks, and I have freedom of speech so anybody who wants to mess, **** off.)

[hartsox]

yes you can reload the garand whenever, theres a thread about it, you like hold something down and then puill something else and out pops the clip, of course baker just puts a new one in, but it is possible to reload even when you have a clip with ammo in the chamber

[K.Turnhout]

Ow oke, tnx for the info

[shameful_larva]

Originally posted by Raccoon_2:
I'm making a lot of spelling mistakes here... gemrans http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

COD 2:

- A Gewehr 43 used in the Afrika korps by the year 1942
- A Gewehr 43 used by the 6th Army in Stalingrad
- Panzerschreck used by the Afrika korps in 1942 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif
- Panzerkampfwagen 2 has a longer range than crusader tanks... I doubt, I'm not an expert but I doubt.
- The same tank it used ove rand over again in Stalingrad even though more version of the panzerkampfwagen 3 were made by then.
- Every German has a luger, though many Germans hated that pistol.
- Many Germans are fat http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

I noticed alot of the things you said. And why, in the shadows, do your allies look like they are wax dummies with really bad, skin-colored acne http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

[hartsox]

heh heh

[IddyB]

Originally posted by paddockrulzok:
In my opinion COD is full of scenes out of numerous war films. Eg. enemy at the gates, the longest day. So can we really take their word for it that these events really happened? In BIA all of the battles featured in the game actually happened! Thats why it rocks!
In COD as i have said numerous times. The character you play can take gallons of lead without even flinching. In BIA however, you actually go 'ow god dammit that really hurt'and you find yourself running for cover. In COD You run the other way spraying the place to bits unloading and taking countless shots. After the 1st 2000 shots to the head you feel a bit of pain and have to take cover. The system sucks! Anyone care to say otherwise? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

I agree with this. If you want a game where you can mow down countless Nazis whilst listening to the Band Of Brothers theme tune, then COD is your game. However, for historical accuracy and realism then it's gotta be BIA.

[hartsox]

i like that there isnt any music furing combat in BIA, it's kinda annoying listening to music and noit being able to hear your troops, any 1 else agre? grr, i cant spell right

[Goldgarand]

No. I think the music adds to the emotional point of the game. You can feel the mood of the soldiers as you fight.

[Funkasoar]

Heres how i feel. CoD was impressive the first time through cause I hadn't experienced anything similar. However after the first through it was boring as hell. CoD: UO was killer. It added function that made it feel a little more realistic (like deployable MGs). Also it didn't always feel as if you were doing all the hard work. Like defending Bastogne or being a commando or a bomber gunner; all those jobs would have demanded significant INDIVIDUAL courage. CoD2 however was garbage. Firstly it forgot all the great new things that the guys who made UO added. Secondly the game play felt like CoD1 with revamped graphics. Another thing which is my personal favourite for mosthated thing about CoD2 was that even though I had buddies I always felt alone because they never did anything first. I had to go into every room first and kill half the baddies before they'd even start to charge through. That seriously detracted from the suspension of disbelief for me. Also the cheesy voice acting and cliched Brits and Russians were just too comical for me. Soldiers dont sound that chipper all the time. They swear and scream. Also the way guys run and move in CoD2 is just... wrong. Granted the sounds of explosions were brilliant I still found the weapon sounds to be somewhat unbelievable after hearing the realistic BiA sounds. ANd does anyone else find the visual perspective of the guns in 1st person to be really weird? Its like all the guns are being held at the hip.
Lastly I find that CoD is ultimately not even trying to recapture the very elements of war which it ought to be. CoD is like a hollywood vision of WW2 in a computer game. There is little to no character development or even memorable characters! I don't even remember my name in 3/4 of the campaigns. No story and all these ridiculously overwrough MEGA battles never really captured the true essense of war that Ive come to understand.

Why is BiA better? Because of everything. It does thing CoD doesnt do and it also does everything CoD does better. All that BiA lacks is the MEGA battle experience but thats fine because those battles really weren't as common as you are lead to believe. In fact during many mega battles soldiers were as isolated as they are in BiA. Mostly you saaw your company or Regiment in action but rarely did you actually confront such large objectives. The Russians are an exception because of so much prolonged city fighting. Ultimately BiA wins for me because it doesnt care about the SPECTACLE OF WAR. Rather BiA seeks to recapture the raw emotion of living under constant fear and how individual soldiers suffered day to day. The stories of characters and personalities and how they changed. Heres one: in BiA when a character dies you actually care and remember. The true experience of war is that of the individual soldier and BiA does a brilliant job of capturing it.

One more thing. What makes BiA so eerie sometimes? Silence. Like Baker said "my dad told me it was the quiet moments that scared him the most". CoD never has silence. When gunfire dies down you get those overwrought Steven Spielberg strings. No music, just the sounds of gunfire, explosions and dying men screaming. Thats war and that horrible nightmare is closer to reality than any ridiculoud recreation of Stalingrad.

End of Sermon.

EDIT. Okay I lied. But I had to come back because I forgot the STUPIDEST thing about CoD2. Lets all say it together:

"YOU ARE HURT! GET TO COVER!"

Thats a bit of an understatement. Maybe it shoulda been "20 bullets have pierced your titanium exo-skeltel armor and you need to get to a safe location so that Thor can magically repair you"

Honestly.

[bangerlot]

Waffle, waffle, Humdiggaddeee, huh? Whatever Commissar Funkmaster just said...COD you follow orders to complete set objectives...BIA you take command to fulfil set objectives.

[Funkasoar]

Originally posted by bangerlot:
Waffle, waffle, Humdiggaddeee, huh? Whatever Commissar Funkmaster just said...COD you follow orders to complete set objectives...BIA you take command to fulfil set objectives.
Oh very well said indeed. That was a very clever and erudite response. Bravo.

I'm sick of all these arrogant sniveling buggers. Can't someone please disagree in a way that isn't straight out of preschool?

[shameful_larva]

Originally posted by Funkasoar:

Oh very well said indeed. That was a very clever and erudite response. Bravo.

I'm sick of all these arrogant sniveling buggers. Can't someone please disagree in a way that isn't straight out of preschool?

You forget that this is the BIA Forum. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Funkasoar]

You know it seems perverse that the BiA forums are so silly. You'd think the nature of BiA itself would attract a more elevated rabble.

If Graham Chapman weren't dead I'd vote for him to become our new mod. He might straighen things out when they become MUCH TOO SILLY!

DIRECTOR! CUT TO ME!
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[tigertank1983]

bia arms is more realistc and is a much better game i love it cod2 was good but not like brothers in arms the multiplayer im bia is so much better

[ltdog]

it didn't affect me when Elder died in COD and when Braeburn die in COD2. It unnerved me seeing Desola blown up, Obi getting hit in the head, Doyle (literally)blowing up and Pa ige's slow agonizing death.http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif i mean ******* whenever one of my squadmates die, i make like LEggett..."You want me? **** you, take me, TAKE MEEEE!!!!

[PWNcracker]

Yes, yes Brothers in Arms is a much better game. I do believe that CoD 2 had one memorable character however... Captain Price!!!

[Hanomag1404]

I think you are being to anal about it. Yes in any game there are flaws, but if you don't like the way CoD plays, change the way you play it. Instead of running aimlessly, hang back like a real soldier would and pick your shots,move with your squad, and only run when there is a break in the fire. On CoD 4 they have fixed most of the main problems. But my way of playing works on the hard setting and ensures that you don't have to keep restarting a particular level over and over. ps.please tell me if the format of the post looks wrong, because I did it on a PS3

[mattfro]

First:Hanomag1404, your format is fine from the PS3.
Second: Does Call of Duty claim to be like the most authentic game there can be? It isn't meant to be. The story is made up, not all the battles in the COD games really happened. Some people like it that way though. In Brothers in Arms, they make the game as authentic as they possibly can. It is said to be one of the most realistic games there are. Their purpose is to make it more realistic and for the most part it is.

[brothersfan]

does anyone see the difference when looking down the sights. in cod there very big and easy in bia there smaller and harder but more realistic

[Ronin_NL]

Originally posted by hartsox:
yes you can reload the garand whenever, theres a thread about it, you like hold something down and then puill something else and out pops the clip, of course baker just puts a new one in, but it is possible to reload even when you have a clip with ammo in the chamber

I've read about that to, That is where the phrase"The garand thumb" is from, because when you do get that clip out, your thumb was easily stuck in the chamber.

I like BiA single play much better then CoD, but when it comes to MP online...then I'm sorry to say that I totally hate BiA and Love CoD2.

The squad thing didn't work for me online. and I pray to gearbox that in HH the online play will me just controlling one man and not the whole squad. Like Cod2. but then with the nice open maps of Normandie or other great BIA maps.

I think it would be cool to choose a caracter (baker, Desola, etc.) choose a weapon and play coop or deathmatches HQ and that sort stuff.

[smithde101]

Red Orchestra is the most realistic game RIGHT NOW, and it now has a Western Front mod: Darkest Hour which is just as good

[koolaidmanohyea]

Well u have been playing cod on easiest difficulty. Besides cod multiplayer is way better than bia. Don't get me wrong i love bia but i think cod is slightly better.

[Corrion1970]

I h8 COD they have Fallschirmjagers running around Stalingrad with summer uniforms LMAO!

[fireteam7]

I hate COD! It is way overated. BIA is better by alot.

[HOPEnSPIRIT]

If I remember rightly as I can't be arsed to look it up as COD sucks including the new COD5, it states that it is a Realistic Cinematic Experience which I think means looks like your really in a movie.

Nothing to do with Real Life battles at all.

If the GearBox Team can concentrate the effort into Multiplayer as well as Singleplayer then COD will just turn out to be a smelly fish.

[JGnam]

Indeed, COD is pretty much a joke (though COD2 was slightly better than the others) and Red Orchestra is better than both. BIA is way better than COD but still not as realistic as it could be.

[HornetVFA192]

COD = run and gun = fun

BUT...

BIA = find 'em, fix 'em, flank 'em, finish 'em = FUN FUN FUN

[SeanPL]

Originally posted by K.Turnhout:
I think the good part of CoD is that you can easily pick it up and play the game. In my oppinon BIA is asking much more concentriation and effort. But this is also a good point. BIA is much more realistic then CoD. The only onrealistic thing is the M1 Garand, you can reload it at any time http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif thit is not very realistic. What I also like of BIA is the realistic places, in my holiday I've been to several places of the game and it was completly or mostly the same, very cool http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif But as I sad before CoD is for the moments that you such want some quick action and play easily and BIA is for the real experience and if you want a real challenge. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

Untrue, the M1 is reloadably mid clip. On the left hand side of the reciever, just in front of the sight block is a small button that triggers the mechanism that expels the clip. (look closely on the game, or google it to get a better look)

[McNELLIE]

COD single player is all about making the action look pretty. Sure it's intense, but thats because there is so much going on at once. They just make planes crash everywhere, artillery bomb everywhere and put endless German soldiers coming at you. Not to mention loads of gunfire filling the air. Not to say that that is a bad thing, but it really does look like a copy of every WWII movie. Also, the characters in COD can't be compared to the ones in BIA. You actually feel for the soldiers and connect with them and get to know them well in BIA. In COD, there was just a few characters you fought with and the CO always dies in the last mission. It's very predictable. BIA also focus's more on ACTUAL realism. COD gets realer by graphics but everything BIA does makes it real. The real places, battles, and characters such as Lt. Crn. Cole and Crn. Sink. Also, if you get shot once, you die. In Cod, you magically heal by taking cover after an entire clip of bullets has been fired into your head. You can run and gun Rambo style but in BIA, you advance slowly and will die if you go Rambo. Obviously, BIA is the more realistic game.

[brotherof1986]

i like both games like for cod for instsance.
lots of and great graphics and bia has great graphics and a great storyline. both games i have all bia games and i also have all cod games beacause they are both good and cod has you in iraq and bia has you in germany,france,netherlands all of the states or citys wat ever you call it your there were they fought.

[MudMarine3]

Hi All,
My 2 cents after reading this discussion. New to BIA just started to play BIAH30, lone wolfen it gets my character killed every time.

First my vote is for BIA, than MOHPA and then COD.

1. BIA a thinking mans game VS a runin and gunin COD and MOHPA. Ya got to use findem, fixem an flankem and killem. Another it is more replay able. It does not play the same twice. You have more options. The Jerry MG is not to be taken lightly!

2.MOHPA vs COD, MOHPA. Your a member of a fire team and ya do not have those health packs. You have some control over your fire team not as much as BIA. Ya get hit ya get a corpsman instead of a health pack. Ya get hit your character bleeds helth if ya do not stop to bandage youeself. On realistic the game is murder on ya, I have yet to complete it on this level. Those Nip snipers in one situation are pure deadly!

What I miss in BIA: Prone,crawling, leaning and shooting, cooking of grenades and the lack of a corpsman. Wish I could send squad memeber to recon instead of havin to do it myslef.

[Hanomag1404]

This is my first post on the forum for several months now, so many things to do.

After defending BIA for so long, i have just had a sudden change of heart. Obviously you don't buy any BIA game to run and gun, the fun is in the tactics of fighting mot just aimless killing.

Recently though i have been getting bored of the most recent games and find myself returning to the classics. Every time though, i find myself putting in COD1 and leaving RTH30 and EIB on the side.The ease of the COD games to pick up and just play has made them very hard to ignore.

The developers of COD games claim that they go for authenticity rather than realism. Meaning that a charactor will look accurate, weather it be clothing or their weapon. Now you cannot deny that for increasing your heartrate, the COD games are for superior than BIA for a quick thrill. This for me has swung me towards them in a big way. After years of thinking that the BIA games have much more replay factor to them, my recent antics have for me at least blown that theory out of the water. I also find myself feeling for the charactors in COD 2,3, and 4 much more than HH. I can't place why that is though. The only thing i can come up with though is that in trying to make BIA realistic and making you feel for the charactors, they have forgotten to make them authentic in their mannerisms. endlessly through HH the charactors will pause inbetweem changing speakers for no apparent reason. this was prbably to add some emotion. but honestly, how many times do you find yourself doing this when discussing everyday topics such as finding paint somewhere.

in conclusion. The BIA games have always been my fortay until recently. They have all of the ingedients to make them fantastic, yet have somehow managed not to keep me interested in the long run. Although great, i feel they lack the final polish of the cod games. I mean the COD games do feel like a film, which is what they set out to achieve so you cant critisize them for failing to be realistic when that was never the idea.

These are my two cents. Obviously not many people will agree on a BIA forum but I am not a COD fanboy and i didn't post this to intentionally start a battle between the two sides.

Hanomag

[HornetVFA192]

Originally posted by Hanomag1404:
The developers of COD games claim that they go for authenticity rather than realism. Meaning that a charactor will look accurate, weather it be clothing or their weapon. Now you cannot deny that for increasing your heartrate, the COD games are for superior than BIA for a quick thrill. This for me has swung me towards them in a big way. After years of thinking that the BIA games have much more replay factor to them, my recent antics have for me at least blown that theory out of the water. I also find myself feeling for the charactors in COD 2,3, and 4 much more than HH. I can't place why that is though. The only thing i can come up with though is that in trying to make BIA realistic and making you feel for the charactors, they have forgotten to make them authentic in their mannerisms. endlessly through HH the charactors will pause inbetweem changing speakers for no apparent reason. this was prbably to add some emotion. but honestly, how many times do you find yourself doing this when discussing everyday topics such as finding paint somewhere.
Hanomag

I now look at like this:
COD = action fiction novel
BiA = old school documentary

[HornetVFA192]

But yes, Hanomag paints a very reasonable picture to agree with; well said Hanomag.