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Real_King_Louis
04-08-2005, 02:56 PM
SHould we ban these (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=1851065692&m=6381017503)?

I understand a bit the gist of most of them but we can't moderate if there is issues.

As an example, the last post by Zamolxis108 looks suspicious to me, not bad language per say, but condescendant. Yet it may be perfectly fine. Who am I to say?

- K -

Real_King_Louis
04-08-2005, 02:56 PM
SHould we ban these (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=1851065692&m=6381017503)?

I understand a bit the gist of most of them but we can't moderate if there is issues.

As an example, the last post by Zamolxis108 looks suspicious to me, not bad language per say, but condescendant. Yet it may be perfectly fine. Who am I to say?

- K -

OZFirst
04-08-2005, 03:15 PM
I'd be leery of offending the Europeans. Maybe leave it alone unless people start to get angry.

Timeposter
04-08-2005, 03:29 PM
If you can't understand it, I certainly can't. I don't think we can properly moderate a thread like this on an english speaking forum. I had asked previously for a thread to continue in english to give everyone a chance to join, and the thread died. No reason to keep this one going, so I locked it.

I would however like to hear some feedback on what some of our private members feel about a decision like this. That would help in further decisions that affect the forums.

TP

Ok, I talked to another person who has a great deal of experience with this sort of thing and she said give them a chance and let them have fun. Only close if there are reported problems. So I reopened the thread.
( I can be such a newbie )

TP

Blackjack_77
04-08-2005, 04:32 PM
I know this a bit of a stretch to say, but I think that was the most hare-brained idea for a thread yet over there on the public board. Now if they wanted a Russian thread or a Romanian thread or something like that, a thread for one particular language, that would almost make sense (still no reason why they can't take it somewhere else, however.) But a tower of Babel thread where anything goes except the one language that people are the best off using if they want to be understood in an international setting, that's not much more than an excuse to make annoying, pointless posts. Though I can see how they think it's cute in a way (so I went ahead and joined in...)

JustStoneColdJo
04-08-2005, 05:16 PM
as long as they are all kosher I see no problem with it. Though there should be an Off Topic board and something like that post should not be the norm.
We have enough friends that speak a multitude of languages to find out what is going on in the threads.

NailagCiad
04-09-2005, 02:41 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Blackjack_77:
I know this a bit of a stretch to say, but I think that was the most hare-brained idea for a thread yet over there on the public board. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think he took it from the CH board, where there is such a thread. Basically, there you would see different languages taking turns of being the one discussed in since, so when one discussion in a particular language died, another one in another language would soon start. It has the advantage of not cluttering the forum with a plethora of one language threads that dies after a while.

Whether it's good from a mod's point of view would most likely depend on the forum- there is seldom much to do in that regard over at CH anyway, since people there are usually polite.

Blackjack_77
04-09-2005, 04:37 AM
It's true that things would get cluttered up pretty badly if there were a thread for every other language, it's just in this case I don't see whay bother posting here in the first place if you only want a few of all the people posting here to be able to understand it. It just seemed to me like the thread was made as a reaction against the impression that we are arbitrarily being forced to use English when actually that's simply the practical thing to do when a lot more people from all over the world know English than Russian or French, for example. Like Devilish Gring said, why segregate yourself unnecessarily? It just seems pointless to me.

Astor_EQ
04-09-2005, 04:01 PM
Russian posts in this thread are completely senseless and most of them are extremely obscene... It will be only better if you delete them. IMHO.

Timeposter
04-09-2005, 05:55 PM
So here is the problem, do we stop the thread that no one can read, or do we keep it going because we know no one can understand it. I have been using a translator, and did not get the impression that the Russian posts were that bad. But than we all know the reliability of Babel fish http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif. Alote of slang would not get translated and meanings may not be right.

So the dilema, if the bad language was in english, I know everyone may be offended, but since it is in Russian, is anyone really affected. I told them to contact a mod if there are any problems. I can trust you Astor (could you send me an actual translation via the systems messageing system so I can findout what I have been translating), but maybe we should wait until it becomes a problem over there. What do you think Kingo? Did I make any sense? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

TP

Real_King_Louis
04-10-2005, 07:31 AM
Too much risk. I'm taking action.... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif


hehehe. With the expected result. Sheesh, a newfound friend. (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=1851065692&m=9011088603)

Real_King_Louis
04-11-2005, 08:25 AM
Alderbranchh, although I may have overstepped my granted moderators priviledges in erasing the Babel Post (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=1851065692&m=6381017503)responses, I do not believe we should encourage other languages than English. I am referring to your intervention in this post. (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=1851065692&m=9011088603)

I mentionned a few times that it is OK once in a while to have another language show up, but we cannot allow a few languages over the others.

Unless you can be here 100% of the time to moderate in the case of the languages you posted were OK, I know I cannot garantee the same in the name of the Mod crew. I know for once that TimePoster and I are quite limited. Like I mentioned, I can handle the French, English, Spanish and Greek, but although I can manage to decipher German and Italian, and very little of the East European languages, I can't pretend to be able to moderate.

I know we should not try to moderate everything, but until a crowd or regulars is clearly established that can self-moderate the boards, I would strongly advised we tend to discourage other languages for now.

Moreover, after the sensitivity of my actions, you come along and say that its now ok to post in other languages, giving reasons to the offended, especially Zalmoxis, and discrediting one of the mods.

Hey, I don't care all that much, especially if I'm wrong, but for the greater goods of the boards, I tend to believe we should be threading carefully here. I did not take action when TimePoster locked it then unlocked it. I had to wait until it got serious before I acted, and I did not contradict TP.

No offense meant or taken, but we need unity. I trust in you as a long time Mod of Ubi to let me know if I'm OK here, I defer to your judgement in terms of what is acceptable to this community or not.

Kingo

ApocCow
04-11-2005, 08:31 AM
Until you get mods that can speak other languages, make them speak English. When you do get mods to do other languages, then start new threads/forums.

JustStoneColdJo
04-11-2005, 08:57 AM
No Offense Alder, but when dealing with MODS you really should not disagree with them in such a public forum. All the MODS should be on the same page and when you publically hand slap them, all it does is make that person look like a fool, no matter the intent.
King Louis is here to help, I dont think he gets money or any other perks to help out and really did not deserve the criticism in public.

Thinking more about it, there should be one posting language, be it English, Slavic, French, Norwegian or Turkish. This will make it easier on ALL the MODS since there is more than one.

Chlala
04-11-2005, 01:26 PM
I'm with Kingo here.

Language should be kept in English so that everyone can keep up.

Non-english posts are ok once in a while but can quickly get out of hand, and should therefor be kept at a minimum.

Besides people who doesn't speak the language posted might not feel welcome to stay around.

Timeposter
04-11-2005, 05:53 PM
You go to work for the day and look what happens. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

You did the right thing Kingo. As I said before, I locked and unlocked the thread with the stipulation that the were no complaints. They broke the rule. Thread gone. All over.
Good Job.
(I still want to know what those Russian guys were saying though http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif)

TP

Real_King_Louis
04-12-2005, 05:00 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Timeposter:
You go to work for the day and look what happens. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

You did the right thing Kingo. As I said before, I locked and unlocked the thread with the stipulation that the were no complaints. They broke the rule. Thread gone. All over.
Good Job.
(I still want to know what those Russian guys were saying though http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif)

TP <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sorry your post also went *poof* in the exercise, you indeed showed sympathy to them and you are bunched along with me as a bad guy. *shrugs* Anyhoo, I guess Zalmoxis is going to play the offended for a little while still then go back to post.

I'm sure you saw more involved flame wars before. This one doesn't even com close to qualify. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Pitsu
04-12-2005, 09:58 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Real_King_Louis:
Sorry your post also went *poof* in the exercise, you indeed showed sympathy to them and you are bunched along with me as a bad guy. *shrugs* Anyhoo, I guess Zalmoxis is going to play the offended for a little while still then go back to post. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


I hope you guys will give poor Zalmoxis some credit for "attempts to improve the community". He hasn't chosen best methods for doing it, but he is rather unexperienced/misleaded than intentionally evil.

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?q=Y&a=tpc&s=400102&f=1851065692&m=9011088603&p=3

OZFirst
04-12-2005, 10:10 AM
I understand that. It's just that he's getting nowhere and it's time to give it a rest.

RexMund1
04-12-2005, 11:02 AM
oooh a moderator stepped on my toes so now I'll rail on and on and on about how unfair he is..

Kingo..you were spot on here. They had a thread that was all in fun..then some people came in and spoiled it..and you took appropriate action.

Real_King_Louis
04-12-2005, 11:29 AM
I guess from now on, we'll avoid letting thread go in foreign languages and lock them in right away.

Of course, we'll have to tolerate a few ones here and there or else we'll be accused of being power-hungry. So far, so good.

OK, I gave it a rest in that thread of his. Hope he takes it.

- K-

Astor_EQ
04-13-2005, 04:07 PM
2Timeposter:
So, I'm late with translation, but I didn't know correct words in English (I've learnt only "good" English).
Two users wrote obscene words with mistakes: for example I can insert another letter "u" in the word "F***" (excuse me). And there are a lot of ways to form new words in Russian language (it's impossible in English), so translators couldn't translate them correctly.

But the thread had been closed, so it's only information, may be usefulhttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Timeposter
04-13-2005, 05:09 PM
Hopefully we are past all that and can move on. Thankyou for your time and concern. The Hatchet has been buried, and hopefully will stay.

TP

Real_King_Louis
04-13-2005, 06:18 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Pitsu:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Real_King_Louis:
Sorry your post also went *poof* in the exercise, you indeed showed sympathy to them and you are bunched along with me as a bad guy. *shrugs* Anyhoo, I guess Zalmoxis is going to play the offended for a little while still then go back to post. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


I hope you guys will give poor Zalmoxis some credit for "attempts to improve the community". He hasn't chosen best methods for doing it, but he is rather unexperienced/misleaded than intentionally evil.

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?q=Y&a=tpc&s=400102&f=1851065692&m=9011088603&p=3 <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, as you can see, I made a great display of peace. But the next morning, I had a PM from him saying I am still unfair and jealous that HIS thread was more successful than MINE and that is why I deleted his.

So, I'm not saying that to belittle him, but just to show you that I flaired this one out from the beginning.

Jupiter anyone?

Today again, he challenged me and I decided to simply delete his post (where a guy was unsure if it was ok to ask for people interested in regional Hotseat, and I said it was OK. Zam though I was digging out the hatchet)and warned it to let it rest, instead of coming out in the open about it.

I'm telling, you he ain't bad, but he got to get over himself. With Jup, I had patience. It grew out of me with age. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

- K -

Pitsu
04-14-2005, 02:08 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Real_King_Louis:
I'm telling, you he ain't bad, but he got to get over himself. With Jup, I had patience. It grew out of me with age. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes he has to, and if he cannot, it is his problem. The same day when you made peace in public I wrote a PM to him as well, telling that you are an experienced mod and even if you had something personal against him for a brief moment, you get over it. Also said that Round Table (where he got that foreign language thread idea) is not comparable with a newly created board with people who barely know each other, and the mods here have to be more harsh sometimes.

Do what you find the best.

devilishgring
04-14-2005, 02:14 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JustStoneColdJo:
No Offense Alder, but when dealing with MODS you really should not disagree with them in such a public forum. All the MODS should be on the same page and when you publically hand slap them, all it does is make that person look like a fool, no matter the intent.
King Louis is here to help, I dont think he gets money or any other perks to help out and really did not deserve the criticism in public.

Thinking more about it, there should be one posting language, be it English, Slavic, French, Norwegian or Turkish. This will make it easier on ALL the MODS since there is more than one. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Just to jump in and agree. He is right. A unified front is very important when dealing with issues.

In the 3DO days we always talked before taking a major action on something like this.

If the mods don't support each other, this place will fall apart quick!

Real_King_Louis
04-14-2005, 05:20 AM
Bwahahahahaha.

You know what is the funniest? I didn't even read that thread between the bottom of page one to page three. I just jumped on the last post upon Pitsu's link, and seized the opportunity to make peace like a grown-up.

Now I read back all that, I've got to laugh. Man, I was patient only by laziness. Had I read the whole thing, I would have let him get rapped a bit some, a page or two more.

And for you guys, I did delete 2 or 3 of his posts, here in there nested in some threads. Yes they were in English, no they were not using foul language, but they were pure provocation in public. I decided to erase those so the thread could go on, talk to him in PM instead.

Like I said, Jupiter anyone?

hehehehe. This is the type of guy that I need. I need to practice my patience.

- K -

devilishgring
04-15-2005, 05:43 PM
Bastard! You made my post go down!

How am I going to get into the half.....

Sorry I was channeling the past.

No worries on the deletions. My "contribution" didn't really help anything.