www.major****winters.com

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Just go there:

http://www.major****winters.com/

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Just go there:

http://www.major****winters.com/

[Manickode]

What a load of rubbish, they saw a programme about him and in all their millitary wisdom decide he deserves and meets the criteria for the CMoH. So for which single act of heroism, selflesness and bravery should this medal be awarded for. Don't get me wrong, I think he is a very brave man, however there were lots of people who repeatedly performed acts of heroism and bravery during WW2.

[Borofsky]

I'm have to agree. He's a hero, no doubt about that, but obeying orders doesn't qualify as above and beyond the call of duty.

[Five_Oh_Duck]

You may or may not be surprised to learn that General Maxwell Taylor, in his infinite wisdom http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif, wanted only one CMoH to be awarded for the division's participation in Normandy.

In fact, the website noted above is one of many that are around the Net promoting a "grassroots" support of Easy Company veterans who began the push for their former commander to be awarded the CMoH...Again, this movement was begun by the vets themselves and not a few people "saw a programme about him and in all their military wisdom decide he deserves and meets the criteria for the CMoH."

Here are a few sites to prove this point...If you will note many of these articles are dated before the **** Winters website was born...and the petition was started by the 506th Association.

Senator Jeffrey E. Piccola Recommends Local Hero for Medal of Honor (http://www.piccola.org/newsreleases/default.asp?NewsReleaseID=695&SubjectID=)

Congressman Weldon, Secretary Ridge Welcome Band of Brothers to Washington (http://www.house.gov/curtweldon/july17Band.html)

Brothers Band together once more for Winters (http://www.delcotimes.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=9865185&BRD=1675&PAG=461&dept_id=18171&rfi=8)

Veterans Issues/Information--$th Item "The Battle Cry Currahee! has been sounded (http://currahee.hispeed.com/veteransissues.html)

Real-life 'Band of Brothers' seeks medal for commander (http://www.poconorecord.com/2003/lifestyl/tjd38199.htm)

House Passes Payne Resolution Urging Congress to Award Winters a Congressional Medal of Honor (http://www.pahousegop.com/index.cfm?ContentID=4348&ParentID=117&SectionID=241&SectionTree=89,117,241&lnk=b&ItemID=4319)

Interesting to note that the CmoH recommendation has passed the two review boards at the Pentagon and has been awaiting the Secretary of the Army's approval and that of Congress since at least April 2004.

[RMC.SBS]

There was a great programme on the History channel today about D-Day,called "D-DAY:The lost evidence"(2 Hour)about arieal photos of the Normandy landings,Winters was on talking about the drop,and talking about taking out the guns at Brecourt Manor.
It was a brilliant programme and it did'nt forget about the british involvment in Normandy.
Also the re-enactments were excellent.

[Bigntall984]

Manickode and borofsky, I've done some research on Winters and I've got to tell you, while there are alot of other men in Easy co. alone who should have gotten a CMoH, Winters without a doubt deserves one. It's not that he just followed orders, got the job done against all odds and brought and only lost one man. What that article doesnt mention is that Winters had only 12 men to work with, while the Germans had an estimated 4x's that many. If left alone, those artillery peices would have been able to fire all day, making Utah beach alot worse than it could have been. There's no way to tell how many more men would have been killed on the beaches.

[Manickode]

"Since the beginning of WW2 only 851 have been awarded, 525 of them posthumously."
It is awarded "for conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity at the risk of life, above and beyond the call of duty." Did he do this? I don't know. I don't really know enough to say that he should or shouldn't recieve one. How many other people were denied it? But i bet they weren't the stars of a TV series.

[Bigntall984]

i didnt get my info from "band of brothers", tho i did watch it. I got my info from doing a research paper.

[Borofsky]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bigntall984:
Manickode and borofsky, I've done some research on Winters and I've got to tell you, while there are alot of other men in Easy co. alone who should have gotten a CMoH, Winters without a doubt deserves one. It's not that he just followed orders, got the job done against all odds and brought and only lost one man. What that article doesnt mention is that Winters had only 12 men to work with, while the Germans had an estimated 4x's that many. If left alone, those artillery peices would have been able to fire all day, making Utah beach alot worse than it could have been. There's no way to tell how many more men would have been killed on the beaches. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Look, I'm not saying he didn't do a big thing or he's not a hero. I'm saying those were his orders, and he receieved the medal he deserved. The DSC is pretty much a CMOH, only it's within the bounds of something you did that wasn't above and beyond the call of duty. He HAD to take Brecourt, whether with 12 men or 50 men. Now, the fact that he only had 12 men and took on such a large force is why he deserved the medal he recieved.

If anything, his actions at the Crossroads would closer fit the requirements for the CMOH.

[Five_Oh_Duck]

@Borofsky...Your explanation would strip Col. Cole of his CMoH.

Cole was ordered to take and defend the causeway to Carentan, therefore by your reckoning, Cole would not be deserving of the CMoH because he followed orders.

There are many men who were awarded the CMoH simply because they were "following orders."

Colonel Sink recommended Winters for the CMoH to Division. But Gen. Taylor had already dictated that only one would be awarded for the Normandy actions and from that 'brilliant' decree only one person was chosen to recieve it. And it isn't surprising that a regimental commander would be the "chosen one" considering the politics within divisional command structures.

The 506th Association is trying to get history corrected due to Taylor's edict. Yes, perhaps there are many who are deserving of this medal that did not have a miniseries made about their exploits, but should this be a crushing blow against the movement for Winters? Of course it shouldn't because public opinion and political capital are used for all sorts of causes and this is no exception.

If this is successful perhaps those within the 101st that were deserving of the CMoH, but were denied by Maxwell "How was the States?" Taylor may also be brought to public consciousness. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

[Borofsky]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Five_Oh_Duck:
@Borofsky...Your explanation would strip Col. Cole of his CMoH.

Cole was ordered to take and defend the causeway to Carentan, therefore by your reckoning, Cole would not be deserving of the CMoH because he followed orders.

There are many men who were awarded the CMoH simply because they were "following orders."

Colonel Sink recommended Winters for the CMoH to Division. But Gen. Taylor had already dictated that only one would be awarded for the Normandy actions and from that 'brilliant' decree only one person was chosen to recieve it. And it isn't surprising that a regimental commander would be the "chosen one" considering the politics within divisional command structures.

The 506th Association is trying to get history corrected due to Taylor's edict. Yes, perhaps there are many who are deserving of this medal that did not have a miniseries made about their exploits, but should this be a crushing blow against the movement for Winters? Of course it shouldn't because public opinion and political capital are used for all sorts of causes and this is no exception.

If this is successful perhaps those within the 101st that were deserving of the CMoH, but were denied by Maxwell "How was the States?" Taylor may also be brought to public consciousness. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You're right, it would. I never said he was deserving of it.

I think Winters should probably get the CMoH, but not for Brecourt.

[davep1954]

If there was no Band of Brother book, movie, etc. would there have been a push for getting Winters a metal?

This seems like a past time or hobby of those who have made WWII their passion.

IF . . you are going to give WWII guys medals now, 60 plus years later, it should be part of a sign of respect to the entire group, not just those who have become popular in books and movies.