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PhantomKira
09-05-2007, 02:23 PM
This is interesting to me anyway. The missiles were being decommissioned, but someone missed the fact that they still had their nuclear warheads attached, so the B-52 bomber took off on a cross country flight with the warheads still aboard. They weren't armed, but still...

B-52 flys with nukes (http://news.aol.com/story/_a/nuclear-bombs-mistakenly-fly-over-us/20070905121009990001?ncid=NWS00010000000001)

WilhelmSchulz.
09-05-2007, 04:33 PM
I say its a response to the Russians re-starting of Bear flights.

Kaleun1961
09-05-2007, 04:48 PM
Anybody old enough to remember the days of Kruschev and Kennedy will know that this sort of thing happened all the time, with SAC [Strategic Air Command] flying B-52's, or before them, older bombers such as the Hustler, flying out from bases toward Russia, then turning around again. They used to always have a certain number of nuclear-armed bombers in the air at all times, the reason being that if somehow the Russians hit all the land-based missiles, the airborne nukes would be there for a retaliatory strike. This was one component of the MAD [Mutually Assured Destruction] doctrine that was the mainstay of the US and possibly Norad as well. Any bomber flying toward Canada was also considered a threat to the US. Uncle Sam knew that he had to protect us Canucks, as we make the Ford Crown Victorias. If the Russkies hit our assembly plant, US police services would have to drive around in Chevy Malibus. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif As the Dodge Charger, also used in police service, is made in Canada [alongside the 300 and Magnum] we now have two plants considered vital assets by US police services. These days, I'm starting to see a few Chargers in police markings. They are one tough looking cruiser, with beautiful masculine lines and superb handling [I know, I own one.] The bad guys need Ferraris and Lamborghinis [maybe a high end BMW - will have to wait to hear from our comrade, Silent Otto] to get away from those Hemi cruisers. The OPP [Ontario Provincial Police] who do a lot of highway patrolling, still seem to use only Crown Victorias, but municipal forces are starting to use Chargers. They look pretty cool in black and white, with an intimidating set of push bars on the front and a light rack on the roof.

PhantomKira
09-05-2007, 06:53 PM
Ah yes, the new Dodge Charger. That is one brutish looking car, all muscle. Still, I can't say I like the way it looks in police colors (any of them). Gimme an old school Caprice any day.

Kaleun1961
09-05-2007, 08:04 PM
I kind of appreciate how you feel about the police paint scheme on a Charger. It seems to disrupt the flow of the body lines. My local cops still use all white Crown Vics, but a neighbouring force uses a black front and back end with white middle. It gives the car a shortened looking appearance, something that is noticeable on the Charger but strangely not on the Crown Vics. Our provinical cops have gone back to the traditional black and white scheme after a long period of all white cruisers. I have to say that I prefer the black and white scheme: it's all business with that appearance, definitely more official looking and more intimidating when you see it coming toward you. You just know it's the cops. I'll have to find and post some pics to show you what I mean.

Kaleun1961
09-05-2007, 08:17 PM
With the help of Google, here is the old cruiser scheme, in all white, and below it, the new black and white scheme [which predated the all white scheme for a time]:

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a299/K-61/Miscellaneous/police.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a299/K-61/Miscellaneous/new-opp-cruiser.gif

Here is an article about one Ontario town's introduction of the new cruisers:

Chatham, Ontario (http://cgi.bowesonline.com/pedro.php?id=40&x=story&xid=330861)

Here's the OPP introducing their new cruisers on their website, with a colour pic of the new one and black and white pics of the older models, some of them before even my time. You can click on a link on that site to get a much larger and better pic of the new cruiser; best if you have broadband. If you read this article, you'll note that one reason for bringing back the black and whites was to make it easier for American tourists to recognize our cops. The black and white is very common in the US. We're also taking another American idea, the red and blue roof lights instead of our previous red and white lights. The red and blue make for better day visibility:

OPP Website (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.opp.ca/images/OPP_2007_Black%26White_print.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.opp.ca/opp_001812.html&h=250&w=375&sz=1144&hl=en&start=2&um=1&tbnid=QDsnIUVzemJZCM:&tbnh=100&tbnw=150&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dnew%2BOntario%2BProvincial%2BPolice%2 Bblack%2Band%2Bwhite%2Bcruisers%26svnum%3D10%26um% 3D1%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26rls%3DRNWE,RNWE:2006-35,RNWE:en)

That bottom pic was obviously taken last winter. It tells you something that even though the general public thinks front wheel drive cars are better in the snow, the cops still prefer rear wheel drive cars, for various reasons. I have to tell you, that in 25 years of driving trucks all over Ontario, I can't seem to recall seeing an OPP in the ditch in the snow. Lots of front wheel and 4 wheel drive vehicles in the ditch, their drivers wondering how they got there, but no cops. I attribute that to professional driving, good winter tires and some gear in the trunk [guns, ammo, flares, etc.]

Kaleun1961
09-05-2007, 08:23 PM
Wow, talk about a hijacker I am, from B-52's I have steered the thread to police cruisers. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

klcarroll
09-05-2007, 10:20 PM
Wow, talk about a hijacker I am, from B-52's I have steered the thread to police cruisers.


Yeah! .....That was a work of art!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

....But your original point was right on: ....To anyone old enough to remember the Cold War, this recent "armed overflight" is no big deal.

klcarroll

Liddabit
09-05-2007, 10:24 PM
Phew! I almost dispatched Christian Slater and some random park ranger to find those missing nukes!

PhantomKira
09-06-2007, 01:49 AM
Yeah, I remember the last time we had anything remotely amounting to serious snow in Delaware. We don't get snow much there anymore, the last I remember a good one was as a kid in the early 90's. Anyway, Dad got the tractor out and he and I went around pulling people out of ditchs.

It's always fun watching people who haven't a clue how to drive try to do so in snow. Ha! I remember a friend of mine pulling people out with her truck. She told me she just about took a guy's front bumper off once (which makes me wonder if she got his car hitched right...)

Short unsollicieted story...

The_Silent_O
09-06-2007, 05:51 AM
Ha! You're right about snow driving experience. There's a reason why in the southern US states at the hint of snow, they cancel school and close businesses. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

The "O's" snow driving experience:

- My formulative years were driving an OLDs Cutless and a Benz 300 series through the coastal snows of northern Chicago ...

- Drove my roommates Datsun (remember those???) through the snow strewn hills and mountains of Colorado during my college years ...

- Drove an RX-7 through Ober-Bayern in Germany, talk about a "LEAD-SLED" experience. My Girlfriend, at the time, slid it off the road and into a forest. We had to get a local farmer to pull us out. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

- As K61 has alluded to, I now own a BMW 330 xi, "x" meaning all wheel drive. I try and I try, but I cannot get the car to spin, even on ice. It goes where you point your steering wheel. It is a credit to the high tech engineering and feedback systems that BMW put into the Dynamic Stability Control and Traction Control. I should be on "Ice Road Truckers" as the annoying passenger car. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

- http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif I have absolutely NO experience at driving nuclear tipped weapons in Boeing B-52s through snow or whatever ... Just to keep this dicussion on topic http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Messervy
09-06-2007, 06:15 AM
I try and I try, but I cannot get the car to spin, even on ice.

Same here on X-5. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif
It's really impossible.
Have you ever tried to skid and then apply just a touch of a brake?

I did that once on a gravel road in the hills.
Somehow I entered the lefthand curve with way too much speed and the centrifugal force begun to push me towards the edge.
I swear I only touched the brake when I experienced something I can only describe as a double impact.

First it "hit" me from from rear right, then front left....
Before I realised what had happened I was pointing directly in a way I was supposed to go.

It's truly an amazing piece of engineering.

The_Silent_O
09-06-2007, 11:48 AM
Originally posted by Messervy:
Same here on X-5. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif
It's really impossible.
Have you ever tried to skid and then apply just a touch of a brake?

I did that once on a gravel road in the hills.
Somehow I entered the lefthand curve with way too much speed and the centrifugal force begun to push me towards the edge.
I swear I only touched the brake when I experienced something I can only describe as a double impact.

First it "hit" me from from rear right, then front left....
Before I realised what had happened I was pointing directly in a way I was supposed to go.

It's truly an amazing piece of engineering.

Yes...I've had that experience. And I once hit a snowdrift at about 55 mph and I could feel and hear the wheels and brakes compensating and I came out perfectly where I wanted to go. It's really weird but cool and safe.

*** waiting for some Euro's to be deposited in my bank account from BMW LLC ***

Kaleun1961
09-06-2007, 02:55 PM
My Charger is also benefitting from some wonderful German technology from Chrysler's brief dalliance with Mercedes. I simply love the practical and reliable German tech in my Charger, from the "controversial" stalk controls for the cruiser control to the electronic stability program. Last winter we ony had a few good storms so I didn't have much opportunity to give my Charger a good go in the snow. I did notice, however, that I just couldn't overpower the thing and get a rear end swing going. I'm hoping this winter for a good snowy day and a flat open parking lot so I can take it out for a good bit of fun after manually disabling the traction control.

Those "controversial" stalk controls are actually rather better than previous North American cruise control swithces, especially those from General Motors. Once I took the time to play with them and learn them I came to see them as superior to previous domestic c/c controls.

The_Silent_O
09-07-2007, 07:13 AM
I Love my stalks, but sometimes find myself washing my windows instead of indicating a left turn. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

On mine, I have three, two on the left and one on the right. The later, controls the window wipers and washing of them. The lower left is the cruise control and the upper left is the car computer and diagnostics.