What if....

[wasup680]

What if this war were to go down today?

Would it be the over extended and understaffed U.S. Army? The bankrupt Russians? or the disoraganized EU nations?



I'm going to go with we blow ourselves up and its a tie.

[BTS_Thor_2]

America's Military would probably be sucsessful because it would be post Pearl Harbor all over again. Americans would join up the economy would boom again because of need for tanks and equipment. But this scenario could possibly happen to Russia to and if Russia's economy became strong enough it would be a extremely tough war that would probably end in nukes being used.

I don't know much about Europes forces but they wouldn't be weak by any means. The only problem is for them to get together and then organize and became a strong mobile force that would be able to fight off two major super powers. Also, Europe would probably be one of the main places of battle so they would get bombed to the ground. Hard to maintian infrastructure and support armys when your destroyed.

[snapkracklepop]

The problem with it going down today, is that it would probably be NATO vs Russia. Especially now since Russia would probably invade eastern europe.

[Jimjemael_796]

Yea america wouldn't verse europe they'd hav no reason to also alaska and canada wouldn't stand 4 too long so the russians cud come pretty fast into the U.S!!

[snapkracklepop]

Alaska does'nt really have strategic value except for the fact that due to popular demand the military will have to take it back drawing forces away from more vital areas,but with the terrain a smaller defending force could hold off a larger invading force, and canada can hold its own look how they have been doing against the taliban.

[SEAL_VI]

Originally posted by Jimjemael_796:
Yea america wouldn't verse europe they'd hav no reason to also alaska and canada wouldn't stand 4 too long so the russians cud come pretty fast into the U.S!!

Russia would never go through Alaska, it's a living hell hole. Snow, ice, mountains, and rough terrain. Their safest bet would go through Europe, but they'd be stopped by EU and NATO in a heart beat.

SEAL VI

Peace.

[Clay211113]

as of right now without use of nukes i think us/nato would definately kill russia

[Skita1]

Originally posted by Clay211113:
as of right now without use of nukes i think us/nato would definately kill russia

Don't be so easily convinced. Russia is much more vast than anyone can possibly imagine. Two great military minds, Napoleon and Hitler, both failed to see this. Their campaigns into Russia were their downfall. They might not come close to taking down the US, but we'd sure as hell take a long time to eliminate all of Russia's home army.

[SkyRaptorRUS]

Originally posted by wasup680:
What if this war were to go down today?

Would it be the over extended and understaffed U.S. Army? The bankrupt Russians? or the disoraganized EU nations?



I'm going to go with we blow ourselves up and its a tie.

It's not the ninetees, my friend. Welcome to 2007. Our goverment is spending hundreds billion dollars on weapons right now. So "bankrupt" Russia is a thing of the past http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

[SkyRaptorRUS]

Originally posted by Skita1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Clay211113:
as of right now without use of nukes i think us/nato would definately kill russia

Don't be so easily convinced. Russia is much more vast than anyone can possibly imagine. Two great military minds, Napoleon and Hitler, both failed to see this. Their campaigns into Russia were their downfall. They might not come close to taking down the US, but we'd sure as hell take a long time to eliminate all of Russia's home army. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Our Russia was attacked by
Mongols
Turkey
Poland kingdom
Sweden
France
Germany

And they all got their asses kicked. Who's next? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

[SkyRaptorRUS]

But seriously guys. NATO vs RUSSIA is actually impossible. Why? Because do you really believe that if US declare war on Russia - the whole NATO will launch an attack on us. We've got 1.5 million army, 12K nukes, 100K tanks etc. This isn't the 1992 with total collaps. This is 2007. Huge number of money is spent on weapons right now. And if NATO will declare war on RUssia, hawe you forgotten about SCO? China and other asian allies will help us.
And the last. The number of Russian and USA nuckes is enough to destroy the world. Who wants to take that risk?

[SkyRaptorRUS]

Originally posted by SEAL_VI:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jimjemael_796:
Yea america wouldn't verse europe they'd hav no reason to also alaska and canada wouldn't stand 4 too long so the russians cud come pretty fast into the U.S!!

Russia would never go through Alaska, it's a living hell hole. Snow, ice, mountains, and rough terrain. Their safest bet would go through Europe, but they'd be stopped by EU and NATO in a heart beat.

SEAL VI

Peace. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why do you keep thinking that we will attack you? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gifThe movies, the games, books, comix..everywhere! WHat's wrong with that? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif
We think that it is you who wants to attck us for our resourses! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif DOes this mean that we'll never be friends? Looks like it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

[atacms]

Originally posted by SkyRaptorRUS:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SEAL_VI:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jimjemael_796:
Yea america wouldn't verse europe they'd hav no reason to also alaska and canada wouldn't stand 4 too long so the russians cud come pretty fast into the U.S!!

Russia would never go through Alaska, it's a living hell hole. Snow, ice, mountains, and rough terrain. Their safest bet would go through Europe, but they'd be stopped by EU and NATO in a heart beat.

SEAL VI

Peace. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why do you keep thinking that we will attack you? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gifThe movies, the games, books, comix..everywhere! WHat's wrong with that? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif
We think that it is you who wants to attck us for our resourses! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif DOes this mean that we'll never be friends? Looks like it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually I don't want to get you guys riled up and start some heated political discussion, but SkyraptorRUS is right about the movies, books and culture giving us a slanted view of Russia.

I've got to say growing up during the Cold War, watching the May Day parades on TV in Red Square made me think that Russia was a very militarized society.

Well a couple of years ago I went to Moscow and the small village where my wife's from about an hour's plane ride from the capital. Anyway, despite the fall of the Berlin War and the end of the Cold War, I was really expecting to see a society that was very militarized and glamourized miliary power. Surprisingly to me, that was not the case. Yes Russia has national pride and like all countries takes joy in its military prowess and image, but I have to say I think the US is a much more miliaristic culture than Russia.

Before you guys bash me as a Commie, (which I've always thought was a silly insult, since most people who label others like that, don't know much about the political structure of countries), as I've said in other threads a holistic worldview and appreciation of cultures and ideas is what makes America great. When we cease to do this, we should stop trying to portray ourselves as the example to others to follow.

[snapkracklepop]

China will not help you unless it benefits them. Maybe everyone thinks russia will attack because they do things like pull out of the conventional arms treaty. The russian military is severaly under staffed, and short on cash. I think we might be friends when bush is out of office and czar Putin dies but then he will be replaced by a family member so maybe not.

[snapkracklepop]

Originally posted by atacms:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SkyRaptorRUS:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SEAL_VI:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jimjemael_796:
Yea america wouldn't verse europe they'd hav no reason to also alaska and canada wouldn't stand 4 too long so the russians cud come pretty fast into the U.S!! Right after the cold war russia had almost no military to speak of so that might explain it. From what I've seen of russia lately I don't know if we should be accepting their world view. Although I hate it when people think all americans are like bush. SO I won't say all russians are like putin.

Russia would never go through Alaska, it's a living hell hole. Snow, ice, mountains, and rough terrain. Their safest bet would go through Europe, but they'd be stopped by EU and NATO in a heart beat.

SEAL VI

Peace. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why do you keep thinking that we will attack you? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gifThe movies, the games, books, comix..everywhere! WHat's wrong with that? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif
We think that it is you who wants to attck us for our resourses! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif DOes this mean that we'll never be friends? Looks like it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually I don't want to get you guys riled up and start some heated political discussion, but SkyraptorRUS is right about the movies, books and culture giving us a slanted view of Russia.

I've got to say growing up during the Cold War, watching the May Day parades on TV in Red Square made me think that Russia was a very militarized society.

Well a couple of years ago I went to Moscow and the small village where my wife's from about an hour's plane ride from the capital. Anyway, despite the fall of the Berlin War and the end of the Cold War, I was really expecting to see a society that was very militarized and glamourized miliary power. Surprisingly to me, that was not the case. Yes Russia has national pride and like all countries takes joy in its military prowess and image, but I have to say I think the US is a much more miliaristic culture than Russia.

Before you guys bash me as a Commie, (which I've always thought was a silly insult, since most people who label others like that, don't know much about the political structure of countries), as I've said in other threads a holistic worldview and appreciation of cultures and ideas is what makes America great. When we cease to do this, we should stop trying to portray ourselves as the example to others to follow. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Russia had almost no military to speak of so that is probably why. From what I've seen of russia lately I don't think we should accept their world view. Although I hate it when people say we are all like bush so I won't say they are all like putin.

[snapkracklepop]

Originally posted by SkyRaptorRUS:
But seriously guys. NATO vs RUSSIA is actually impossible. Why? Because do you really believe that if US declare war on Russia - the whole NATO will launch an attack on us. We've got 1.5 million army, 12K nukes, 100K tanks etc. This isn't the 1992 with total collaps. This is 2007. Huge number of money is spent on weapons right now. And if NATO will declare war on RUssia, hawe you forgotten about SCO? China and other asian allies will help us.
And the last. The number of Russian and USA nuckes is enough to destroy the world. Who wants to take that risk? Sorry for the triple post, but I have alot to answer. If war broke out NATO would help us since russia would be attacking europe.

[SkyRaptorRUS]

Originally posted by snapkracklepop:
China will not help you unless it benefits them. Maybe everyone thinks russia will attack because they do things like pull out of the conventional arms treaty. The russian military is severaly under staffed, and short on cash. I think we might be friends when bush is out of office and czar Putin dies but then he will be replaced by a family member so maybe not.

I don't know about your Bush, but what does our president Putin has to do with it? We've left the Arms Treaty because NATO said there will never be military bases near our boarders and that NATO would NEVER GROW TO THE EAST. NATO lied to us. So why can't we do things that wil protect us? If you will not attack us - we wount attack you http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

[SkyRaptorRUS]

Originally posted by snapkracklepop:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by atacms:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SkyRaptorRUS:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SEAL_VI:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jimjemael_796:
Yea america wouldn't verse europe they'd hav no reason to also alaska and canada wouldn't stand 4 too long so the russians cud come pretty fast into the U.S!! Right after the cold war russia had almost no military to speak of so that might explain it. From what I've seen of russia lately I don't know if we should be accepting their world view. Although I hate it when people think all americans are like bush. SO I won't say all russians are like putin.

Russia would never go through Alaska, it's a living hell hole. Snow, ice, mountains, and rough terrain. Their safest bet would go through Europe, but they'd be stopped by EU and NATO in a heart beat.

SEAL VI

Peace. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why do you keep thinking that we will attack you? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gifThe movies, the games, books, comix..everywhere! WHat's wrong with that? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif
We think that it is you who wants to attck us for our resourses! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif DOes this mean that we'll never be friends? Looks like it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually I don't want to get you guys riled up and start some heated political discussion, but SkyraptorRUS is right about the movies, books and culture giving us a slanted view of Russia.

I've got to say growing up during the Cold War, watching the May Day parades on TV in Red Square made me think that Russia was a very militarized society.

Well a couple of years ago I went to Moscow and the small village where my wife's from about an hour's plane ride from the capital. Anyway, despite the fall of the Berlin War and the end of the Cold War, I was really expecting to see a society that was very militarized and glamourized miliary power. Surprisingly to me, that was not the case. Yes Russia has national pride and like all countries takes joy in its military prowess and image, but I have to say I think the US is a much more miliaristic culture than Russia.

Before you guys bash me as a Commie, (which I've always thought was a silly insult, since most people who label others like that, don't know much about the political structure of countries), as I've said in other threads a holistic worldview and appreciation of cultures and ideas is what makes America great. When we cease to do this, we should stop trying to portray ourselves as the example to others to follow. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Russia had almost no military to speak of so that is probably why. From what I've seen of russia lately I don't think we should accept their world view. Although I hate it when people say we are all like bush so I won't say they are all like putin. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gifthx!

[SkyRaptorRUS]

BusH isn't a popular president in the US.
However 83% of Russians support Vladimir Putin. Because that drunk moron Yeltcin was only drinking and prostituting his country to the West, killing Russia. The whole world was laughing at us because of him. Thank God Putin came to power.
But sometimes it's very hard to understand why people in the world hate him? It's very strange. When Putin warns about installing US missiles on the Russian boarder - nobody listens to him. But when Putin says that Russia will defend itself and target European military bases - then everyone stasts screaming about "evil bloody Pu regime who wants to kill people, democracy and freedom"! And those things just keep coming. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif
I'm a fan of political news and read and watch news everyday and I see how strange and sometimes stupid Western partners can be with us.
About that Arms Treat. Putin said in APril that Russia looks like the only country who respects that treaty. While Russia was withdrawing it's forces and decreasing it's military, NATO was creating new military bases near our boarders. And what should we do?! Just sit there and watch. Nope...That treaty was old and it doesn't help in the current world situation.
SO why must all European countries stop screaming and saying that this was a demarch of power, a sign to the US that Russia is starting a New Cold War etc. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

[LordTenacious]

Originally posted by SkyRaptorRUS:
BusH isn't a popular president in the US.
However 83% of Russians support Vladimir Putin. Because that drunk moron Yeltcin was only drinking and prostituting his country to the West, killing Russia. The whole world was laughing at us because of him. Thank God Putin came to power.
But sometimes it's very hard to understand why people in the world hate him? It's very strange. When Putin warns about installing US missiles on the Russian boarder - nobody listens to him. But when Putin says that Russia will defend itself and target European military bases - then everyone stasts screaming about "evil bloody Pu regime who wants to kill people, democracy and freedom"! And those things just keep coming. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif
I'm a fan of political news and read and watch news everyday and I see how strange and sometimes stupid Western partners can be with us.
About that Arms Treat. Putin said in APril that Russia looks like the only country who respects that treaty. While Russia was withdrawing it's forces and decreasing it's military, NATO was creating new military bases near our boarders. And what should we do?! Just sit there and watch. Nope...That treaty was old and it doesn't help in the current world situation.
SO why must all European countries stop screaming and saying that this was a demarch of power, a sign to the US that Russia is starting a New Cold War etc. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif
Remember Litvinenko!!!
Come on, can't you be like America and ignore your constitution (we've being doing it since 1860)?

[Clay211113]

wait while on the topic of putin why do most of the people who criticize him end up dead

[SkyRaptorRUS]

Originally posted by LordTenacious:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SkyRaptorRUS:
BusH isn't a popular president in the US.
However 83% of Russians support Vladimir Putin. Because that drunk moron Yeltcin was only drinking and prostituting his country to the West, killing Russia. The whole world was laughing at us because of him. Thank God Putin came to power.
But sometimes it's very hard to understand why people in the world hate him? It's very strange. When Putin warns about installing US missiles on the Russian boarder - nobody listens to him. But when Putin says that Russia will defend itself and target European military bases - then everyone stasts screaming about "evil bloody Pu regime who wants to kill people, democracy and freedom"! And those things just keep coming. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif
I'm a fan of political news and read and watch news everyday and I see how strange and sometimes stupid Western partners can be with us.
About that Arms Treat. Putin said in APril that Russia looks like the only country who respects that treaty. While Russia was withdrawing it's forces and decreasing it's military, NATO was creating new military bases near our boarders. And what should we do?! Just sit there and watch. Nope...That treaty was old and it doesn't help in the current world situation.
SO why must all European countries stop screaming and saying that this was a demarch of power, a sign to the US that Russia is starting a New Cold War etc. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif
Remember Litvinenko!!!
Come on, can't you be like America and ignore your constitution (we've being doing it since 1860)? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
1.NO! We respect our constitution.
2.There are NO ACTUAL evidence that Sergei Lugovoy is the real murderer. All that is known - he was with them.
3.England doesn't give Russia Zakaev and Berezovsky. Zakaev was filmed on many videos fighting for chechen terrorists, killing civilians ans federal soldiers. Berezovsky says that want's to take the power in Russia by force and that he doesn't care that 83% Russians support Putin.
HA! SO now tell me...why should we give up Mr. Lugovoy to the British site?


Heh..My dad says that Russia and US/EU will always have bad relations because the West doesn't understand us. Yes, we look like Europeans and Amercians but are actually absolutely another type of people. We don't need Western democracy. We just LOVE our "Russian style one" that we have currently. Yeah, blah blah blah you think it's a totalitarism but we LOVE IT. Most of us Russians think that don't even need a russian style democracy. It's just that. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif The biggest country in the world with biggest number of resources requires a strong lieder. Like our Vladimir Putin. Think of him as you wish, but no one has done more for Russia then him. He doesn't want to be an enemy of Eu and US. We wants the world to treat us as partners. Nothing more. There are evil planes to conquer the world, destroy USA, spread communism all over the world. Relax you guys. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif We're peacefull people. PEACE. NO WW3 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

[LordTenacious]

Originally posted by SkyRaptorRUS:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LordTenacious:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SkyRaptorRUS:
BusH isn't a popular president in the US.
However 83% of Russians support Vladimir Putin. Because that drunk moron Yeltcin was only drinking and prostituting his country to the West, killing Russia. The whole world was laughing at us because of him. Thank God Putin came to power.
But sometimes it's very hard to understand why people in the world hate him? It's very strange. When Putin warns about installing US missiles on the Russian boarder - nobody listens to him. But when Putin says that Russia will defend itself and target European military bases - then everyone stasts screaming about "evil bloody Pu regime who wants to kill people, democracy and freedom"! And those things just keep coming. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif
I'm a fan of political news and read and watch news everyday and I see how strange and sometimes stupid Western partners can be with us.
About that Arms Treat. Putin said in APril that Russia looks like the only country who respects that treaty. While Russia was withdrawing it's forces and decreasing it's military, NATO was creating new military bases near our boarders. And what should we do?! Just sit there and watch. Nope...That treaty was old and it doesn't help in the current world situation.
SO why must all European countries stop screaming and saying that this was a demarch of power, a sign to the US that Russia is starting a New Cold War etc. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif
Remember Litvinenko!!!
Come on, can't you be like America and ignore your constitution (we've being doing it since 1860)? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
1.NO! We respect our constitution.
2.There are NO ACTUAL evidence that Sergei Lugovoy is the real murderer. All that is known - he was with them.
3.England doesn't give Russia Zakaev and Berezovsky. Zakaev was filmed on many videos fighting for chechen terrorists, killing civilians ans federal soldiers. Berezovsky says that want's to take the power in Russia by force and that he doesn't care that 83% Russians support Putin.
HA! SO now tell me...why should we give up Mr. Lugovoy to the British site?


Heh..My dad says that Russia and US/EU will always have bad relations because the West doesn't understand us. Yes, we look like Europeans and Amercians but are actually absolutely another type of people. We don't need Western democracy. We just LOVE our "Russian style one" that we have currently. Yeah, blah blah blah you think it's a totalitarism but we LOVE IT. Most of us Russians think that don't even need a russian style democracy. It's just that. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif The biggest country in the world with biggest number of resources requires a strong lieder. Like our Vladimir Putin. Think of him as you wish, but no one has done more for Russia then him. He doesn't want to be an enemy of Eu and US. We wants the world to treat us as partners. Nothing more. There are evil planes to conquer the world, destroy USA, spread communism all over the world. Relax you guys. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif We're peacefull people. PEACE. NO WW3 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Russia? Peaceful? This is goes against all my propaganda!!! I will never forget Frederick the Great!!! NEVER!!!
I guess the only thing left to do is say "Wolverines!!" and go hide in the mountains..

[SkyRaptorRUS]

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

[snapkracklepop]

If Sergei Lugovoy is innocent why don't you let him be tried in a court of law if england has no evidence he will just be let free and show how stupid they are. Oh by the way thanks for the laugh about russia respecting their constitution. About the people who don't like Putin getting killed, I don't actually think putin did it I think it was his supporters. I would'nt turn over someone fighting for the chechens either since they are brave freedom fighters especially when they have to deal with the war crimes russian soldiers commit on a daily basis. I don't get why russia is backing out of treaties over a defensive system that is not in their territory. I think one reason we have problems with the russians is because they only understand one thing, force from their history you will see that they always have dictators over them. About the U.S. taking your oil, how about you look at china thats the main reason they are in the SCO because they want your resources, and remember the SCO is not a military organization. For example Iran recently became an observer in the SCO, if we were to invade them would you come to their aid, I think not. Oh and by the way we did'nt pull out of the arms treaty you did. It is a conventional arms treaty that limits the amount of tanks and troops that can be in europe, so far everybody has respected that treaty but you.

[Clay211113]

agreed

[SkyRaptorRUS]

Originally posted by snapkracklepop:
If Sergei Lugovoy is innocent why don't you let him be tried in a court of law if england has no evidence he will just be let free and show how stupid they are. Oh by the way thanks for the laugh about russia respecting their constitution. About the people who don't like Putin getting killed, I don't actually think putin did it I think it was his supporters. I would'nt turn over someone fighting for the chechens either since they are brave freedom fighters especially when they have to deal with the war crimes russian soldiers commit on a daily basis. I don't get why russia is backing out of treaties over a defensive system that is not in their territory. I think one reason we have problems with the russians is because they only understand one thing, force from their history you will see that they always have dictators over them. About the U.S. taking your oil, how about you look at china thats the main reason they are in the SCO because they want your resources, and remember the SCO is not a military organization. For example Iran recently became an observer in the SCO, if we were to invade them would you come to their aid, I think not. Oh and by the way we did'nt pull out of the arms treaty you did. It is a conventional arms treaty that limits the amount of tanks and troops that can be in europe, so far everybody has respected that treaty but you.

EVIDENCE that it was Putin who killed who people. Actually if Putin really killed those *******s - that's good. I would kill them too.
They were pro-western ***-lickers! If you are against Putin - then you are against Russia itself. He turned a third-world country (thx Yelcin) To a mighty economical country. We're in the top 10 world economies. and thats only 9 years after 1998 economic crysis that many thought would destroy Russia.
So how can somebody be against our president who is supported by 83% Russians?
We don't need your western democracy. YOur goverments should mind their own business http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif

Sergei Lugovoy will not be given to England because England would just arrest him. And there are no evidence. We gave exact evidence about Zakaev and Berezovsky. Britain doesn't give a heck...well..neither do we then
About our resources - EVERYBODY wants them. You, chinese, europeans etc. THat's why we are rebuilding our army http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif
And China agreed to help us fight with US missile plans in Europe. Russia and CHina want to take control of Asia TOGETHER. Offcourse they want our resources too. We won Siberia in the wars with chinese hundreds years ago...so what? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifWe'll deffend ourselves.

[LordTenacious]

]
Originally posted by SkyRaptorRUS:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by snapkracklepop:
If Sergei Lugovoy is innocent why don't you let him be tried in a court of law if england has no evidence he will just be let free and show how stupid they are. Oh by the way thanks for the laugh about russia respecting their constitution. About the people who don't like Putin getting killed, I don't actually think putin did it I think it was his supporters. I would'nt turn over someone fighting for the chechens either since they are brave freedom fighters especially when they have to deal with the war crimes russian soldiers commit on a daily basis. I don't get why russia is backing out of treaties over a defensive system that is not in their territory. I think one reason we have problems with the russians is because they only understand one thing, force from their history you will see that they always have dictators over them. About the U.S. taking your oil, how about you look at china thats the main reason they are in the SCO because they want your resources, and remember the SCO is not a military organization. For example Iran recently became an observer in the SCO, if we were to invade them would you come to their aid, I think not. Oh and by the way we did'nt pull out of the arms treaty you did. It is a conventional arms treaty that limits the amount of tanks and troops that can be in europe, so far everybody has respected that treaty but you.

EVIDENCE that it was Putin who killed who people. Actually if Putin really killed those *******s - that's good. I would kill them too.
They were pro-western ***-lickers! If you are against Putin - then you are against Russia itself. He turned a third-world country (thx Yelcin) To a mighty economical country. We're in the top 10 world economies. and thats only 9 years after 1998 economic crysis that many thought would destroy Russia.
So how can somebody be against our president who is supported by 83% Russians?
We don't need your western democracy. YOur goverments should mind their own business http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif

Sergei Lugovoy will not be given to England because England would just arrest him. And there are no evidence. We gave exact evidence about Zakaev and Berezovsky. Britain doesn't give a heck...well..neither do we then
About our resources - EVERYBODY wants them. You, chinese, europeans etc. THat's why we are rebuilding our army http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif
And China agreed to help us fight with US missile plans in Europe. Russia and CHina want to take control of Asia TOGETHER. Offcourse they want our resources too. We won Siberia in the wars with chinese hundreds years ago...so what? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifWe'll deffend ourselves. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Russia and China want to take control of asia TOGETHER
You say that now, but I say give it five years. Five years from now, China is going to be even more pressed to find resources....
Lemme put it this way. Russia may have taken Siberia hundreds of years ago, but down the road, China may want that back, if you know what I mean http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif.

[SkyRaptorRUS]

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gifif they'l turn against us and attack us - 12K nukes are waiting for them! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gifBut I'm hoping they're not that stupid to attack Russia. Just like everyone else http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

[BTS_Thor_2]

Russia is becoming more and more aggressive towards the Western world everyday just read the news today. Putin's a fool who has the support of his brainwashed comrades thats all this is. Trying to bring the old "greatness" back to Russia. Sounds like what Hitler said to his fellow Germans when he said the Nazi's would bring back pride and respect into Germany.

[SkyRaptorRUS]

Originally posted by BTS_Thor_2:
Russia is becoming more and more aggressive towards the Western world everyday just read the news today. Putin's a fool who has the support of his brainwashed comrades thats all this is. Trying to bring the old "greatness" back to Russia. Sounds like what Hitler said to his fellow Germans when he said the Nazi's would bring back pride and respect into Germany.
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif Oh really? And I thought Bush was a Hitler of 21 century

[LordTenacious]

Originally posted by SkyRaptorRUS:
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gifif they'l turn against us and attack us - 12K nukes are waiting for them! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gifBut I'm hoping they're not that stupid to attack Russia. Just like everyone else http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif
Well, even if they was war between Russia and China, I doubt (unless a country was certain to lose) nukes would be launched by Russia, since China does have nuclear bombs (Not confirmed [I don't think...], mind you, but sattilites [**** spelling] have seen some strange buildings in the middle of the vastness of Western China).

[snapkracklepop]

Originally posted by SkyRaptorRUS:
EVIDENCE that it was Putin who killed who people. Actually if Putin really killed those *******s - that's good. I would kill them too.
They were pro-western ***-lickers! If you are against Putin - then you are against Russia itself.

<span class="ev_code_RED">Heil Putin then, is that how the game is played in russia, follow putin or die? If so I think the russian people will bring about a regime change soon. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
Do you even listen to your self you are saying you would kill another human being just because they don't agree with you, how hateful and facist are you russians?</span>

He turned a third-world country (thx Yelcin) To a mighty economical country. We're in the top 10 world economies. and thats only 9 years after 1998 economic crysis that many thought would destroy Russia.

<span class="ev_code_RED">Russia is not in the top ten, I belive you are 18 I could be wrong but Putin is lying to you about that you are not in the top ten. Is it worth is if you lose your freedom?</span>

So how can somebody be against our president who is supported by 83% Russians?
We don't need your western democracy. YOur goverments should mind their own business http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif

<span class="ev_code_RED">Maybe they are against your president because he is taking away the freedom you got not even twenty years ago.</span>

Sergei Lugovoy will not be given to England because England would just arrest him. And there are no evidence. We gave exact evidence
about Zakaev and Berezovsky. Britain doesn't give a heck...well..neither do we then

<span class="ev_code_RED">If there is no evidence he will be found innocent and let go, You see in the west we don't make up evidence, we have fair trials.</span>

About our resources - EVERYBODY wants them. You, chinese, europeans etc. THat's why we are rebuilding our army http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

<span class="ev_code_RED">too bad for you china will take your resources without you knowing it. You will think they are your friends until you are sucked dry.</span>

And China agreed to help us fight with US missile plans in Europe.

<span class="ev_code_RED">You say we need to mind our buisness, china should mind their own buisness.</span>

Russia and CHina want to take control of Asia TOGETHER.

<span class="ev_code_RED">Oh so you admit what you want to take over asia and restore the glorius USSR, you imperialist.</span>

Offcourse they want our resources too. We won Siberia in the wars with chinese hundreds years ago...so what? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifWe'll deffend ourselves.

<span class="ev_code_RED">First china is alot different then they were 100 years ago, especially with you giving them all their weapons. As I said before they will not use force they will use peace, and if their is one way to beat a russian it is peace all russians understand is force.</span>



Notice how you did'nt answer my question? Would you defend Iran if we invaded them, of course not so why would china help you?

[wasup680]

Originally posted by SkyRaptorRUS:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BTS_Thor_2:
Russia is becoming more and more aggressive towards the Western world everyday just read the news today. Putin's a fool who has the support of his brainwashed comrades thats all this is. Trying to bring the old "greatness" back to Russia. Sounds like what Hitler said to his fellow Germans when he said the Nazi's would bring back pride and respect into Germany.
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif Oh really? And I thought Bush was a Hitler of 21 century </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


I don't know where you heard Bush is the Hitler of the 21 century but he's not. Bush isn't the best president in the world and he did start a controversial war (let's not get into that) but the one thing he hasn't done is killed millions of innocent people haha so I think that comparison is alittle false. But the thing about you Russians is your oblivious to your goverment and its aggressive actions not to say America hasn't flexed its muscle in the last century, but the scary thing is you all support the policy, this hard line aggressive policy that if keeps going is going to lead to some type of confrination. What makes America so great is half the time we hate our goverment and thats the greatness of democracy (even though were more of a republic). Most Americans hate the policies that have been made and see what is happening to our country because of them (most not at all). So we change them by changing our leadership threw a democratic proccess. I think what the scariest thing that can be said is that if your a history buff and you look at pree World War II Germany you'll see alot of the same things in Russia today. A leader with the support of almost an entire population that is promising revitalization, a people that want to see their nation be great again, a not great economy but not good economy, and an aggressive sneaky foreign policy....which includes breaking of arms treaties which the Nazi's did to build up their army again. I think you should open your eyes before history repeats its self.

[BTS_Thor_2]

And for the record wasup680 is my other name I always accidently sign into it.....


and I just opened the internet and what did I see on yahoo news but this.....http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070719/wl_nm/russia_youth_putin_dc


Oh brain washing the youth classic move Dictator Putin. Now you'll have generations of followers! They got a regular Stalin over there. Oh and this reminds me of the Hitler Youth too this is great....

[Clay211113]

russia is the nazi germany of our time so that makes the cold war ww1 it fits well

[SkyRaptorRUS]

Originally posted by Clay211113:
russia is the nazi germany of our time so that makes the cold war ww1 it fits well
Nazi Germnay started the war. Do you really think Russia will launch an attack on US or Europe?! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

[SkyRaptorRUS]

Originally posted by SkyRaptorRUS:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Clay211113:
russia is the nazi germany of our time so that makes the cold war ww1 it fits well
Nazi Germnay started the war. Do you really think Russia will launch an attack on US or Europe?! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Abot our agressive goverment - it's not us who are making military bases and installing missile systems near your border and telling what to do i the world. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gif

[SkyRaptorRUS]

Originally posted by SkyRaptorRUS:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SkyRaptorRUS:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Clay211113:
russia is the nazi germany of our time so that makes the cold war ww1 it fits well
Nazi Germnay started the war. Do you really think Russia will launch an attack on US or Europe?! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Abot our agressive goverment - it's not us who are making military bases and installing missile systems near your border and telling what to do i the world. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>SO how Russia be like a Nazi Germany? We're not the world how to live, what to do etc. It's just Russia has always been an strong country. Even 700 years before USA were even created. The political and economical crysis in 1989 made Russia that position....but only for a period of time. And that's what makes US and Eu angry that Russia is getting stronger again.
There was a huge scandal yesterday. Our Minister for Foreign Affairs Sergei Lavor wanted to make a speach in "The New York Times" (if I'm not mistaking) to describe to Europeans and Americans Russia policy. And you what? The NYT cut off 40% of the text and edited the left one so much that it seamed that Lavrov is warning the West that Russia will destroy everyone that'll stay in it's way.
Also we have a cool web site www.inosmi.ru (http://www.inosmi.ru). It's a site where all international newspapers are translated into Russian. Every day there is about 15 new articles. 14 are always nothing more than obscenity, clownery, only angry screams and nothing more. Only blaming Russia for all the crimes in the world.
And you call us the new Nazi Germany. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

[Clay211113]

ok 1 you had just lost a war ( cold war) resulting in weak economy (like nazi germany) and things in the peoples eyes are getting better under the militaristic rhetoric of a new leader( putin)
the enemy he is lashing out against is the people his country lost to ( the west especially america) and a call to arms now as far as there being a massive effort to eliminate a ethnic group im not sure but hey theres still time.

[SkyRaptorRUS]

Originally posted by Clay211113:
ok 1 you had just lost a war ( cold war) resulting in weak economy (like nazi germany) and things in the peoples eyes are getting better under the militaristic rhetoric of a new leader( putin)
the enemy he is lashing out against is the people his country lost to ( the west especially america) and a call to arms now as far as there being a massive effort to eliminate a ethnic group im not sure but hey theres still time.

COld War we've lost politically. All the military conflict during CW period we've won - Korea, Vietnam etc.
Putin is spending a lot of money on military TO DEFEND RUSSIA FROM UNITED STATES AND NATO. The number of oil is dropping very fast but have oil and gas for...500 years! Don't tell that when allot the world's oil and gas resources are gone, US, EU will not declare war on Russia to get them?! yeah right...C. Rise already said that she wants Russia to give Siberia to the whole world and stop using energy resources as "political weapon" (EVIDENCE, EVIDENCE, EVIDENCE!!!!!!!!????????)

After first phase of cold war was over we thought that west would help us. But noooo...the west humaliated us, laught at us, our destroyed country, our drunk president that they've put in Kremlin. Thats why they loved Yelcin - cuz he gave them away Russia.
And when Putin came to power and started rebuilding "Russian Empire" the west started it's info-war on Russia, describing it as a dangerous and evil country with KGB mean president. Not to mention the lies about not spreading NATO to the East. NATO gave us a promise. WHERE IS IT? They lied. They can not be trusted.
What do you want us to do? Just sit there and watch as US takes over the world?! No way...We may have lost the battle i the cold war but not the war itself. We hoped that this cold war was over but it seems that US and EU want to continue it...
And don't say that my brain is washed by "Putins propoganda". Everyone in Russia knew along time ago...
Russia wants to be a friend to the world. But it seems that your countries would like to talk to Russia only as master to slave. Woun't happend, my friends. Times have changed. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif PEACE (god help us all)

[Clay211113]

hey wait are you all the ones who launched the info war on estonia over the removal of a statue honoring the red army and are trying to dominate eastern europe by threatining to withhold resouces?

[BTS_Thor_2]

Originally posted by SkyRaptorRUS:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SkyRaptorRUS:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Clay211113:
russia is the nazi germany of our time so that makes the cold war ww1 it fits well
Nazi Germnay started the war. Do you really think Russia will launch an attack on US or Europe?! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Abot our agressive goverment - it's not us who are making military bases and installing missile systems near your border and telling what to do i the world. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>



Yes, you might not make the orders yourself but the people support it. How brainwashed are you people, you sound like putin himself.

[SkyRaptorRUS]

Originally posted by Clay211113:
hey wait are you all the ones who launched the info war on estonia over the removal of a statue honoring the red army and are trying to dominate eastern europe by threatining to withhold resouces?
Statue was in honor of ALL WHO DIED IN WW2. it was written like that. I must tell you..that right now I'm living in Tallinn, in Estonia for the last 5 years with my dad. The info is incorrect. Estonians are real russobhobes and nazis. I was on 26 and 27 April in the croud to protect the statue. My shoulder has hurt.
But whebn some of the people started robbing shops and destroying thongs, I went home.

[SkyRaptorRUS]

Originally posted by SkyRaptorRUS:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Clay211113:
hey wait are you all the ones who launched the info war on estonia over the removal of a statue honoring the red army and are trying to dominate eastern europe by threatining to withhold resouces?
Statue was in honor of ALL WHO DIED IN WW2. it was written like that. I must tell you..that right now I'm living in Tallinn, in Estonia for the last 5 years (2-3 months a year) with my dad. The info is incorrect. Estonians are real russobhobes and nazis. I was on 26 and 27 April in the croud to protect the statue. My shoulder has hurt.
But whebn some of the people started robbing shops and destroying thongs, I went home. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

[LordTenacious]

I guess the only thing left to say is "I'll see you on the battlefield in 20 years Skyraptor. We shall duel with tomahawks (Whether it is the Indian version or the missle version will be decided upon at the time we meet)."

Huzzah.

[SkyRaptorRUS]

Originally posted by LordTenacious:
I guess the only thing left to say is "I'll see you on the battlefield in 20 years Skyraptor. We shall duel with tomahawks (Whether it is the Indian version or the missle version will be decided upon at the time we meet)."

Huzzah.

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifany last requests? May God show you mercy because I will not. Muahahahaha! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

[LordTenacious]

Originally posted by SkyRaptorRUS:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LordTenacious:
I guess the only thing left to say is "I'll see you on the battlefield in 20 years Skyraptor. We shall duel with tomahawks (Whether it is the Indian version or the missle version will be decided upon at the time we meet)."

Huzzah.

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifany last requests? May God show you mercy because I will not. Muahahahaha! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE> http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif
If you were merciful, you would quit screaming so much from all the pain I will be inflicting on you. You betterhttp://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gifnow.

[SkyRaptorRUS]

Originally posted by LordTenacious:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SkyRaptorRUS:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LordTenacious:
I guess the only thing left to say is "I'll see you on the battlefield in 20 years Skyraptor. We shall duel with tomahawks (Whether it is the Indian version or the missle version will be decided upon at the time we meet)."

Huzzah. LOL!
PEace...OK, I'm full of this political speaches...let's just tlak about da game itself and leave the world to our politics

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifany last requests? May God show you mercy because I will not. Muahahahaha! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE> http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif
If you were merciful, you would quit screaming so much from all the pain I will be inflicting on you. You betterhttp://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gifnow. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[wolfman921988]

ok SkyRaptroRUS is right russia and the west are totally diffrent so live with it!
AND TO CALL RUSSIA THE NEW NAZI GERMANY IS AN OUTRAGE!!!!! ILL KICK YOUR *** FOR SAYING THAT!!!! If you want to know why russians hate germany for cuasing the war russia lost so many 20m+ not just soldiers but many were civilians killed by the germans so dont ever say we are like nazi germany.
P.S. America tells every1 how to live... not russia. Also one last time ill say this the dam cold war never ended russia just lost a battle but now i think the tides are going to turn...

[BTS_Thor_2]

Well if you actually look at the past statements logically you'll see that your government is acting in very similar ways and I never said Russian's didn't hate Germany or anything of that matter so I don't even know why that's being brought up. Your listening to your national pride and corrupt government not to say America's government hasn't become increasing corrupt but America's government doesn't create camps in which the youth is brainwashed to say "....know I realize how fascist all the other countries are."� Or lie about military spending to boost nationalism, and your country isn't as great as your government says it is, it's just a brainwashing machine and Russia's stunt by planting that flag is the most ludicrous thing ever. This isn't the 18th century countries can't just go walk around and claim land and your governments reasoning that there is a under ground bridge or what ever. That is like saying that because the Atlantic Ocean touches Europe and touches America that it is rightfully America's or vice versa (but let's not get into that). The sad truth is that even though the rest of the world thinks America's military is suffering because of Iraq that's false and there's plans to expand and break down our military into smaller brigades and there's a whole rejuvenation plan already starting in which more soldiers will be added, Stryker brigades, and entire modernization is occurring. However, unless your government comes up with a couple trillion dollars your status in power will not change for the next 20 years plus. That's the facts.



P.S. SkyRaptor earlier you said that Russia won all the CW military like in past conflicts....I hope your country didn't forget about Afghanistan...

[Crimson96]

Yes, history will always remember that it was Russian ideology that triumphed in the cold war . . .

pfft.

The US has no desire to fight the cold war again because pretty much everyone except irrational Russian nationalists agrees that the US won, and as a result the Russian people won as well because their government fell and was replaced by one that was far better to its citizens.

Unfortunately Russian politicians seem hell-bent on rewriting history and trying to start a new cold war in the hopes that with their new strategic petroleum reserves and capitalist economy they can . . . what? What are they going to accomplish? Will Europe and the US realize the error of their ways in switch their democracies out for shiny new authoritarian regimes? Will Russia's posturing convince the west that the best way to ensure freedom is by assassinating reporters that tell stories you don't want told?

Don't get excited Russia, NOBODY thinks you are worth fighting over, you just don't matter that much anymore.

[SkyRaptorRUS]

Originally posted by BTS_Thor_2:
Well if you actually look at the past statements logically you'll see that your government is acting in very similar ways and I never said Russian's didn't hate Germany or anything of that matter so I don't even know why that's being brought up. Your listening to your national pride and corrupt government not to say America's government hasn't become increasing corrupt but America's government doesn't create camps in which the youth is brainwashed to say "....know I realize how fascist all the other countries are."� Or lie about military spending to boost nationalism, and your country isn't as great as your government says it is, it's just a brainwashing machine and Russia's stunt by planting that flag is the most ludicrous thing ever. This isn't the 18th century countries can't just go walk around and claim land and your governments reasoning that there is a under ground bridge or what ever. That is like saying that because the Atlantic Ocean touches Europe and touches America that it is rightfully America's or vice versa (but let's not get into that). The sad truth is that even though the rest of the world thinks America's military is suffering because of Iraq that's false and there's plans to expand and break down our military into smaller brigades and there's a whole rejuvenation plan already starting in which more soldiers will be added, Stryker brigades, and entire modernization is occurring. However, unless your government comes up with a couple trillion dollars your status in power will not change for the next 20 years plus. That's the facts.



P.S. SkyRaptor earlier you said that Russia won all the CW military like in past conflicts....I hope your country didn't forget about Afghanistan...
We've defeated the WEST in military conflicts, not Afghanistan. And We had to pull out because of the crysis in the country

[SkyRaptorRUS]

Originally posted by Crimson96:
Yes, history will always remember that it was Russian ideology that triumphed in the cold war . . .

pfft.

The US has no desire to fight the cold war again because pretty much everyone except irrational Russian nationalists agrees that the US won, and as a result the Russian people won as well because their government fell and was replaced by one that was far better to its citizens.

Unfortunately Russian politicians seem hell-bent on rewriting history and trying to start a new cold war in the hopes that with their new strategic petroleum reserves and capitalist economy they can . . . what? What are they going to accomplish? Will Europe and the US realize the error of their ways in switch their democracies out for shiny new authoritarian regimes? Will Russia's posturing convince the west that the best way to ensure freedom is by assassinating reporters that tell stories you don't want told?

Don't get excited Russia, NOBODY thinks you are worth fighting over, you just don't matter that much anymore.
oh yes we do. We've hot the biggest territorym oilm gas, other resources and we want to take Arctic once we'll PROOF it belongs to us. Like we care what Canada says "it belongs to canada only". Yeah right... no evidence - say bye bye.
I don't care how much the whole world hates Putin and out goverments but I love them, they're rebuilding Russia and it's army. Soon there will be new bases in Syria and US dominence will end.
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gifI don't hate USA but I do hate how they treat us. They think we are barberians etc. They kept NATO growing, they are planning to install missile system near our borders. It's like you neighbor would be able to hear your talking at home and see your house throuwh the wall. And your goverments keeps saying real BULL**** that this system is against IRan and N Korea. THEY THINK WE ARE NUTS?!?!?!
Iran already said that has got to be the best joke in 2006.
You guys are in big trouble. Your economy is in crysis and instead of being REAL ALLIES you still try to make our life difficult. Not you exactly but your presidents etc. What is your business in Georgia?! THat ***-licker makes me sooo maaad...russophobic moron. What is your business in Ukraine and other former USSR countries. THEY ARE IN OUR AREA OF INTERESTS. MAybe moron Yelcin (burn in hell, *****!!!) did sell a lot of Russia but Putin will take everything back that is ours. And he doesn't want a new phase of cold war. It looks like NATO wants it. "order and democracy" near our borders? Oh...thats a greeeeeeat order to bomb Yugoslavia, start illegal war in Iraq, bomb iraqi and afghanian cities every week and killing since 2003 - 350 000 peoople in IRaq.
I do believe that not all of you support your goverments in their informational anti-russian war but know this - we will defend our selves. Many countries tried to conquer us - all of them were defeated. ALL WHO ATTACKED US!
DO NOT make their mistake...
I'm done..Sorry, I'm a bit angry today after the news... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1072.gif

[Da_Costa1982]

Originally posted by LordTenacious:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SkyRaptorRUS:
BusH isn't a popular president in the US.
However 83% of Russians support Vladimir Putin. Because that drunk moron Yeltcin was only drinking and prostituting his country to the West, killing Russia. The whole world was laughing at us because of him. Thank God Putin came to power.
But sometimes it's very hard to understand why people in the world hate him? It's very strange. When Putin warns about installing US missiles on the Russian boarder - nobody listens to him. But when Putin says that Russia will defend itself and target European military bases - then everyone stasts screaming about "evil bloody Pu regime who wants to kill people, democracy and freedom"! And those things just keep coming. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif
I'm a fan of political news and read and watch news everyday and I see how strange and sometimes stupid Western partners can be with us.
About that Arms Treat. Putin said in APril that Russia looks like the only country who respects that treaty. While Russia was withdrawing it's forces and decreasing it's military, NATO was creating new military bases near our boarders. And what should we do?! Just sit there and watch. Nope...That treaty was old and it doesn't help in the current world situation.
SO why must all European countries stop screaming and saying that this was a demarch of power, a sign to the US that Russia is starting a New Cold War etc. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif
Remember Litvinenko!!!
Come on, can't you be like America and ignore your constitution (we've being doing it since 1860)? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I Agree with lord tenacious and Skyraptor.

Putin is solely a reaction to neo-capitalism, man is defending his country that's his job! NATO are nuts by building bases next to their borders (that's paranoia). It fustrating for me as a European to see that the only transatlantic ties with the US are of military interess.

But come on SkyRaptorRUS do you think that if their was an alternative to killing former spies, and disrespecting some human rights and still doing the job, wouldn't that be better? You russians have the biggest country on earth. You quite well can ignore what others say!

And hey I'm in the west! I still live the same crappy life as ever! Sorry no money here, never actually saw a dime! ehehehe

Peace! Smoke hemp and if the WHOLE world stop this nonesense bull**** situation it would be better for all of us. That's what I say.

[PrinceCaspian5]

Originally posted by SkyRaptorRUS:
oh yes we do. We've hot the biggest territorym oilm gas, other resources and we want to take Arctic once we'll PROOF it belongs to us. Like we care what Canada says "it belongs to canada only". Yeah right... no evidence - say bye bye.

so what happened to Russia not being aggressive? you are trying to take Canadian land. you are crying about the west doing stuff in countries next to Russia yet you are trying to take take Canadian land. how would you like it if Canada claimed part of Siberia.

Originally posted by SkyRaptorRUS:
they are planning to install missile system near our borders. It's like you neighbor would be able to hear your talking at home and see your house throuwh the wall.: for one thing, it is to look for ICBMs, so going with your analogy it would give your neighbor a waring if you throw something at them (and the ability to stop whatever you threw). if the US anted to spy on Russia they have satellites that would do a much better job. also, Russia has a huge ABM network with many ABM radar stations and ABM missile sites, and i am not complaining about that, what makes Russia so special that they can do that but nobody else is allowed to. and just to show you that Russia does have these radar sites i have found them in Google earth here are the coordinates (just enter them into the search) i also have the NATO code names for each, i may have gotten some of them mixed up because i am using someone else's computer and don't have access to my computer where i have all of this info stored
56?10'30.66"N 37?45'36.12"E (pillbox)
55?30'48.68"N 36?38'36.50"E (dog house)
55?13'49.82"N 37?17'44.69"E (cat house)
44?34'45.41"N 33?23'12.92"E (this is part of the hen house network this one is in Sevastopol)
here are some ABM missile launchers
55?37'32.55"N 37?23'23.39"E (this is one of the gazelle ABM sites around Moscow)
55?54'3.99"N 37?18'30.09"E (this is another Gazelle site near Moscow, i believe there is a total of 5 gazelle sites)
59?43'1.79"N 29?18'31.38"E (this is one outside St. Petersburg, unfortunately Google earth doesn't have high resolution images of it, but you can still make it out)

[SkyRaptorRUS]

give me geografical evidence that Arctic is Canadian. Once we'll proof it is a part of a Siberian land - it will only be a mater of time.

[SkyRaptorRUS]

Originally posted by Da_Costa1982:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LordTenacious:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SkyRaptorRUS:
BusH isn't a popular president in the US.
However 83% of Russians support Vladimir Putin. Because that drunk moron Yeltcin was only drinking and prostituting his country to the West, killing Russia. The whole world was laughing at us because of him. Thank God Putin came to power.
But sometimes it's very hard to understand why people in the world hate him? It's very strange. When Putin warns about installing US missiles on the Russian boarder - nobody listens to him. But when Putin says that Russia will defend itself and target European military bases - then everyone stasts screaming about "evil bloody Pu regime who wants to kill people, democracy and freedom"! And those things just keep coming. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif
I'm a fan of political news and read and watch news everyday and I see how strange and sometimes stupid Western partners can be with us.
About that Arms Treat. Putin said in APril that Russia looks like the only country who respects that treaty. While Russia was withdrawing it's forces and decreasing it's military, NATO was creating new military bases near our boarders. And what should we do?! Just sit there and watch. Nope...That treaty was old and it doesn't help in the current world situation.
SO why must all European countries stop screaming and saying that this was a demarch of power, a sign to the US that Russia is starting a New Cold War etc. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif
Remember Litvinenko!!!
Come on, can't you be like America and ignore your constitution (we've being doing it since 1860)? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I Agree with lord tenacious and Skyraptor.

Putin is solely a reaction to neo-capitalism, man is defending his country that's his job! NATO are nuts by building bases next to their borders (that's paranoia). It fustrating for me as a European to see that the only transatlantic ties with the US are of military interess.

But come on SkyRaptorRUS do you think that if their was an alternative to killing former spies, and disrespecting some human rights and still doing the job, wouldn't that be better? You russians have the biggest country on earth. You quite well can ignore what others say!

And hey I'm in the west! I still live the same crappy life as ever! Sorry no money here, never actually saw a dime! ehehehe

Peace! Smoke hemp and if the WHOLE world stop this nonesense bull**** situation it would be better for all of us. That's what I say. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

killing former spies like Litvinenko and human rights activists? hmm...YES!
They only care about US money..they were ***-lickers and had to die!

[Da_Costa1982]

Originally posted by SkyRaptorRUS:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Da_Costa1982:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LordTenacious:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SkyRaptorRUS:
BusH isn't a popular president in the US.
However 83% of Russians support Vladimir Putin. Because that drunk moron Yeltcin was only drinking and prostituting his country to the West, killing Russia. The whole world was laughing at us because of him. Thank God Putin came to power.
But sometimes it's very hard to understand why people in the world hate him? It's very strange. When Putin warns about installing US missiles on the Russian boarder - nobody listens to him. But when Putin says that Russia will defend itself and target European military bases - then everyone stasts screaming about "evil bloody Pu regime who wants to kill people, democracy and freedom"! And those things just keep coming. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif
I'm a fan of political news and read and watch news everyday and I see how strange and sometimes stupid Western partners can be with us.
About that Arms Treat. Putin said in APril that Russia looks like the only country who respects that treaty. While Russia was withdrawing it's forces and decreasing it's military, NATO was creating new military bases near our boarders. And what should we do?! Just sit there and watch. Nope...That treaty was old and it doesn't help in the current world situation.
SO why must all European countries stop screaming and saying that this was a demarch of power, a sign to the US that Russia is starting a New Cold War etc. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif
Remember Litvinenko!!!
Come on, can't you be like America and ignore your constitution (we've being doing it since 1860)? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I Agree with lord tenacious and Skyraptor.

Putin is solely a reaction to neo-capitalism, man is defending his country that's his job! NATO are nuts by building bases next to their borders (that's paranoia). It fustrating for me as a European to see that the only transatlantic ties with the US are of military interess.

But come on SkyRaptorRUS do you think that if their was an alternative to killing former spies, and disrespecting some human rights and still doing the job, wouldn't that be better? You russians have the biggest country on earth. You quite well can ignore what others say!

And hey I'm in the west! I still live the same crappy life as ever! Sorry no money here, never actually saw a dime! ehehehe

Peace! Smoke hemp and if the WHOLE world stop this nonesense bull**** situation it would be better for all of us. That's what I say. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

killing former spies like Litvinenko and human rights activists? hmm...YES!
They only care about US money..they were ***-lickers and had to die! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

A life is a life I don't believe in killing. I pity that you think that you think that way. Why can we just sit and talk?

I agree when you say russia wants to be a friend of the world. It's a pity that is not more well known around here. But come on don't kill anybody that doesn't really help to aproach the peoples. I read another of your posts you said you live in Estonia. You got my solidarity cause I know those estonians are a whole bunch of racists and they treat you russians like 2nd class citizens (they don't give ya estonian nationality). why don't you shout that those human rights are actually US funded. If you start kill all those guys, those that stand outside will get a negative view (yes due to propaganda).

Man but calm down it's incredible for me as a neutral to see how much violent this whole world and dialogue between peoples is...

[Crimson96]

This thread alone causes me great concern that war between the US and Russia is far more socially acceptable than it should be.

Americans in general view Russia as an allied or neutral country that has occasional differences (much like France or Germany). But Russia seems downright frightened that the US is going to invade them to take their resources or instigate a regime change.

I can understand why you believe that, but even at the height of the Cold War invading or attacking Russia directly was never an option unless things completely fell apart in the European theater. America is certainly paranoid about terrorism, and often we act out on our allies as a result, but no American views Russia as an enemy.

The US has failed to make many of the grand gestures that we should have made. Inviting Russia into NATO (even if they don't accept) at least shows that NATO is no longer an anti-Russian organization, it is an anti-instability (anti-terrorist or failed state) organization.

Russia should have been included in the Anti-Ballistic Missile system to begin with. Some would say this is foolish because Russia would sell the technology to defeat the system to Iran or North Korea or anyone else that could afford it. But even in the worst case, having Russia as an ally is more important than defense against a rogue nation.

Because with Russia (and the EU) as a true ally, no rogue nation would be able to exist with our combined influence turned against them. If the most influential nations in the world are able to reach a common understanding then the rest of the world will eventually follow.

__________________________________________________ ____

On a side note, in order for the earth to biologically maintain a European standard of living for the entire human population indefinitely, the human population would have to be no greater than approximately 2.5 billion. Maybe 3 billion if new technology allows us to dramatically reduce the amount of oil, topsoil, and groundwater we use, as well as the amount of carbon dioxide we produce. By 2050 the estimated global population will reach 10 billion. Happy hunting commanders . . .

[Da_Costa1982]

Originally posted by Crimson96:
This thread alone causes me great concern that war between the US and Russia is far more socially acceptable than it should be.

Americans in general view Russia as an allied or neutral country that has occasional differences (much like France or Germany). But Russia seems downright frightened that the US is going to invade them to take their resources or instigate a regime change.

I can understand why you believe that, but even at the height of the Cold War invading or attacking Russia directly was never an option unless things completely fell apart in the European theater. America is certainly paranoid about terrorism, and often we act out on our allies as a result, but no American views Russia as an enemy.

The US has failed to make many of the grand gestures that we should have made. Inviting Russia into NATO (even if they don't accept) at least shows that NATO is no longer an anti-Russian organization, it is an anti-instability (anti-terrorist or failed state) organization.

Russia should have been included in the Anti-Ballistic Missile system to begin with. Some would say this is foolish because Russia would sell the technology to defeat the system to Iran or North Korea or anyone else that could afford it. But even in the worst case, having Russia as an ally is more important than defense against a rogue nation.

Because with Russia (and the EU) as a true ally, no rogue nation would be able to exist with our combined influence turned against them. If the most influential nations in the world are able to reach a common understanding then the rest of the world will eventually follow.

__________________________________________________ ____

On a side note, in order for the earth to biologically maintain a European standard of living for the entire human population indefinitely, the human population would have to be no greater than approximately 2.5 billion. Maybe 3 billion if new technology allows us to dramatically reduce the amount of oil, topsoil, and groundwater we use, as well as the amount of carbon dioxide we produce. By 2050 the estimated global population will reach 10 billion. Happy hunting commanders . . .

You make a good point of view. Good to listen to some moderation. And damm! Could you indicate where did you got that side note? That's terrible! This is concerning, time to act! I'm off to the beach (by foot)!

[SkyRaptorRUS]

Originally posted by Da_Costa1982:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SkyRaptorRUS:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Da_Costa1982:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LordTenacious:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SkyRaptorRUS:
BusH isn't a popular president in the US.
However 83% of Russians support Vladimir Putin. Because that drunk moron Yeltcin was only drinking and prostituting his country to the West, killing Russia. The whole world was laughing at us because of him. Thank God Putin came to power.
But sometimes it's very hard to understand why people in the world hate him? It's very strange. When Putin warns about installing US missiles on the Russian boarder - nobody listens to him. But when Putin says that Russia will defend itself and target European military bases - then everyone stasts screaming about "evil bloody Pu regime who wants to kill people, democracy and freedom"! And those things just keep coming. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif
I'm a fan of political news and read and watch news everyday and I see how strange and sometimes stupid Western partners can be with us.
About that Arms Treat. Putin said in APril that Russia looks like the only country who respects that treaty. While Russia was withdrawing it's forces and decreasing it's military, NATO was creating new military bases near our boarders. And what should we do?! Just sit there and watch. Nope...That treaty was old and it doesn't help in the current world situation.
SO why must all European countries stop screaming and saying that this was a demarch of power, a sign to the US that Russia is starting a New Cold War etc. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif
Remember Litvinenko!!!
Come on, can't you be like America and ignore your constitution (we've being doing it since 1860)? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I Agree with lord tenacious and Skyraptor.

Putin is solely a reaction to neo-capitalism, man is defending his country that's his job! NATO are nuts by building bases next to their borders (that's paranoia). It fustrating for me as a European to see that the only transatlantic ties with the US are of military interess.

But come on SkyRaptorRUS do you think that if their was an alternative to killing former spies, and disrespecting some human rights and still doing the job, wouldn't that be better? You russians have the biggest country on earth. You quite well can ignore what others say!

And hey I'm in the west! I still live the same crappy life as ever! Sorry no money here, never actually saw a dime! ehehehe

Peace! Smoke hemp and if the WHOLE world stop this nonesense bull**** situation it would be better for all of us. That's what I say. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

killing former spies like Litvinenko and human rights activists? hmm...YES!
They only care about US money..they were ***-lickers and had to die! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

A life is a life I don't believe in killing. I pity that you think that you think that way. Why can we just sit and talk?

I agree when you say russia wants to be a friend of the world. It's a pity that is not more well known around here. But come on don't kill anybody that doesn't really help to aproach the peoples. I read another of your posts you said you live in Estonia. You got my solidarity cause I know those estonians are a whole bunch of racists and they treat you russians like 2nd class citizens (they don't give ya estonian nationality). why don't you shout that those human rights are actually US funded. If you start kill all those guys, those that stand outside will get a negative view (yes due to propaganda).

Man but calm down it's incredible for me as a neutral to see how much violent this whole world and dialogue between peoples is... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
thx man http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
Listen I'm sorry... I don't want a WW3 for secure of my country but it's just in our minds...We Russians are huge patriots and we see how the world treats us.
Just 2 days ago Georgia comided another anti-russia move. They say there were 1,2 or 3 (they cant count?) Mig-23, Su-24,su-25 (they cant tell the planes?!?!) that dropped bombs on their CORN FIELD?!
OH YEAH..a greeeeeat move for Russia - bombing a georgian corn field - that will teach them a lesson! And it didn't blow up...
and yesterday they've destroyed that missile not even showing it. HAHAHA! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif still believe them?

And Georgia wanted to call in an urgent UN meating to tell the world how "dangerous and vile the new Russia is"
DISCUSTING http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif
And US goverment told Russia yesterday to leave Georgia alone. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gifIt's 100% clear - Washington is supporting anti-russian regimes in Europe...
Oh come on...you have to agree adliest in that! Estonia president who calls Soviet veterans murders and criminals, Georgian president call Russia an agressive country who wants to take over Georgia (few hundred years ago GEorgia beged RUssia to save her from Turkey and now they are saying that Russia has always been a murderer)
THere is war going on right now. Information war against Russia. The target is to make RUssia look like the world most dangerous country. Country that doesn't respect other cultures and nations, country that wants to destroy democracy and conquer neighbor countries, country that supports terrorism and is a threat to the whole world!
That's why Kremlin is acting. THat's why new weapon system are being develepoed, that's why an anti-western reaction in Russia. We see threat in you...
I would love if we were allies but the picture right now is very bad http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif

[Da_Costa1982]

Maybe the Georgian popcorn machine blew up and they had to blame someone... At least here the news cast only say what everyone is saying, they are very reluctant to take sides (yeap there are still neutral people). Even that way it becomes dificult to trust either side. Even if a spy dies or if someone says in a story that part of 700 NGO's in Russia are US funded. It makes think. You simply have to cool down if you want to prove you're right. Reacting to provocations it's just what triggers the fuse, specially to the Americans. Those guys are paranoid. I read somewhere that more than half of international military aid during cold war as supplied by the americans. And those Baltic states, men they are very racist. Some Portuguese we're drunk and made some jokes with one of their national flags, what caused them to be arrested imediatly (disreguarding drunkness status). If we would arrest every tourist that comes here and causes trouble we wouldn't have tourism for a start.

Has I said we should all sit and smoke some hemp to clear our minds LOL!

And again let me renew the topic of this forum What IF: The guys of Ubisoft in some latter editions put some more political blocs on the move? that would be cool! Having other campaings in different scenarios...

[Crimson96]

What if all the arguing on these forums actually causes the EU, Russia, and the US to go to war?

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[LordTenacious]

Originally posted by Crimson96:
What if all the arguing on these forums actually causes the EU, Russia, and the US to go to war?

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
Then I can die knowing I changed the world.

[SkyRaptorRUS]

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifthen I'll look at the windows, watch the growing nuclear explosions and say "oops!"

[LordTenacious]

Originally posted by SkyRaptorRUS:
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifthen I'll look at the windows, watch the growing nuclear explosions and say "oops!"

No, you would say "Hey, I was right about the US and Europe wanting to go to war with Russia." You would then spend the last seconds of your life on this forum posting such threads as "I WAS RIGHT LORDTENACIOUS!!! I WAS RIGHT!!!"


Originally posted by SkyRaptorRUS:
They say there were 1,2 or 3 (they cant count?) Mig-23, Su-24,su-25 (they cant tell the planes?!?!) that dropped bombs on their CORN FIELD?!
OH YEAH..a greeeeeat move for Russia - bombing a georgian corn field

It is a great move for Russia. What better way to threaten the West than showing Russia's power to bomb random cornfields?

It is what we in the United States call "Flexing your military muscle".

[SkyRaptorRUS]

Originally posted by LordTenacious:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SkyRaptorRUS:
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifthen I'll look at the windows, watch the growing nuclear explosions and say "oops!"

No, you would say "Hey, I was right about the US and Europe wanting to go to war with Russia." You would then spend the last seconds of your life on this forum posting such threads as "I WAS RIGHT LORDTENACIOUS!!! I WAS RIGHT!!!"


Originally posted by SkyRaptorRUS:
They say there were 1,2 or 3 (they cant count?) Mig-23, Su-24,su-25 (they cant tell the planes?!?!) that dropped bombs on their CORN FIELD?!
OH YEAH..a greeeeeat move for Russia - bombing a georgian corn field

It is a great move for Russia. What better way to threaten the West than showing Russia's power to bomb random cornfields?

It is what we in the United States call "Flexing your military muscle". </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

But ..the bomb...didn't BLOW UP!
And i wasn't shown on TV, it was destroyed very quickly...


Nah..I don't believe that is Russia that bombed it. If RUssia wanted the "flex muscles", I think our fighter would just fly on low altitude and on high speed over presidents house or smth like that... but bombing cornfield... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

abot last seconds of life..how are going to spend them? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif on this forum also?


WE SHOULD CREATE AN EMERGENCY THREAT HERE THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE AVZALABLE ONLY WHEN WW3 BEGINS! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

[Da_Costa1982]

Originally posted by Crimson96:
What if all the arguing on these forums actually causes the EU, Russia, and the US to go to war?

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Then China would say: Stupid white guys, they killed themselves back to stoneage. HEE HEE HEE
China Rules!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif

[BTS_Thor_2]

It didn't bomb a cornfield the missle was directed toward a radar station...it was a radar seeking missile but the Georgians turned off the radar after seeing it, thus making the missile loose contact with the station and falling out of the sky like most of Russian technology http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif. I kid of course...don't want to get you Russians all angry of course...

[SkyRaptorRUS]

BTW: did you ever see a police line in TWO MEETRES AWAY FROM MISSILE CRATER?
Still thinking if it's a georgian anti-russian stuff? Who would put a police line in 2 meetres from unexploded misisle and let people get close to it? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

[BTS_Thor_2]

Originally posted by SkyRaptorRUS:
BTW: did you ever see a police line in TWO MEETRES AWAY FROM MISSILE CRATER?
Still thinking if it's a georgian anti-russian stuff? Who would put a police line in 2 meetres from unexploded misisle and let people get close to it? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif



I don't fully understand the point your making, but if they did do that it was probably deactivated and now is treating it like international crime scene....which it is, and I'm not taking sides with either country because theres still alot of unanswered questions I was just saying what has been confirmed by the Georgian goverment and people at the UN.

[Da_Costa1982]

well Georgia is an Independent country they do whatever they want with their country that's w~hat independence is all about. But it's tru that 2 meter range the camera took. If I was the camera man I wouldn't get close by. That would be insane. And yeah why didn't they shown up the missile I mean that would be a good evidence to show to the UN instead all that **** Powell showed about IRaq. Yes it's scratch one dictator but quite a meaningless fight nowadays. To many decent americans (and allies), and iraquis shiite and sunni got riped off with that Iraq campaign. It would have been better if the UN had intervined on their interess (safeguarding human rights).

And the Georgian goverment is a little bit insane too. I mean messing with russia. And Russia should show some despise. Everybody knows about the ABM shield the US wants to install near the middle east. Around here that missile story is well forgotten.

[xOcyanideOx]

Russia would go into alaska for morale purposes then use canada as a strategic advantige in the north and push in east europe. America would be allies with europe and help defend it . europe would hold off the russians with enough american support. But the americans must keep their eye on south america becuase the russians will use it against them. Canada will hold off the russians for some time but not long becuase canada only posses's 100,000 armed troops. but if given time it will expand to 500'000 and may stop the rusian advance entirely. But in the end america and europe would fall becuase of demoralization and a superior force from china russian and japan. These are theories provided by recent events and the poor american economy . which will only get weaker because of it international trades.

[Da_Costa1982]

China wouldn't team up with Japan and Russia. Japan would team up with the US and Europe. If the chinese would team with anyone then it would be like a merciful alliance, I spare you, you help me. If china would get in the way India would like to say something since it's very sligthy pro-western (they ARE the world's biggest democracy).