YAWN

[Redbanana27]

Since i aint got nothing better to do... Lets dance.

Na only joking.

Its over a year since this game came out, and i really want to congratulate it, honurably congratulate.

It opened mew doors in me since december that i never ever felt towards any FPS or any other type of game... Not even the previous strategy games such as halo wars and dawn of war... Never ever! Have i selt such control and leadership in any game be it strategy... FPS or ehat ever. It is BRILLIANT.

Although now... SADLY. Its dying out. We go on, we slaughter... Its too easy. Have i mastered this and got bored. No... No .

I still lose, hell every vet. loses sometimes. Its... Just there losses im concerned about. The new players i mean.

We grew this game up... We learned the strategies and taught ouelrselves how to fight this game... are we now teaching ourselves how to burrow ouselves out of a fair fight? I dont want an easy game... i want one with action and moderation between teams!!!

We WANT you new players to be good right... we want you to come on this game and feel like a
GOD in the making of the BEST games out there. Whether it be this or any other game... You want to do good right??? You want to be able to manipulate and adapt, manuever, destroy your target.

You want a NEED to beat the player not just a want. You need to beat this player, but not easily. Cause then its just a want.

I NEED better players.

I NEED better games.

Otuerwise... i quit.

[Endo_Dizzy]

If you want me and GRS Darkfrost will take you and your buddy on again. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Just razzin you, your buddy didnt do his par and GRS was using newby tanks.We still couldnt believe we had beatin you though.We thought we were going to get raped.

[robbinx730]

How long ago was it that you said you would get ruse for the PC?

[Why_You_Eat_Me]

last time I checked david ruse is a rts not a fps. and as for that game a forward maginot and sau-40s is nooby and nearly impossible for italy to counter

[Redbanana27]

Calum were does it say that ruse is a FPS?

And robbinx its taking longer than expected http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

[Warforger]

Perhaps you could you know try playing the pro's instead of randoms? Like LastBreath, Ballistic Leader, Online Predator.....

Forward maginots and SAU-40's aren't nooby at all, you just can't beat them. SAU-40's have the assault gun to make up for France's lack of speed, basically it's like the slow fat guy tired of getting beat at fencing brought an assault rifle,it brings his attack across faster.

[Redbanana27]

For Italian research times to get tue semovente on Meeting on The field of honour.

It seems a bit nooby :s

[Warforger]

So, you only build Semonvente's as AT, you don't build Italian artillery, and you can't stop a truck?

At worst you would be an AT bunker to shoot the truck.

[Endo_Dizzy]

I think the tactic worked out brilliantly.And the best part is that it was the first time GRS had tried that tactic.I was able to get Russian Heavy infantry inside town to stop your tank rush and then you never used camo net on forward barracks/armor base so i built an arty bunker. You still never camoed up, so i just built another to destroy supply depots. whoever was across from GRS never sniped his recon so his SAU's raped that base.Then who i was versing sent there tanks as backup at the time i got 5 t-34's rolling out. Then my tanks and GRS's pinched all the M13's and destroyed them, and after that it was smooth sailing.But i agree that being you and (i believe it was) WhyYouEatMe were both Italy so you had no real advantage on us except the air and speed, you could have goten fighter bombers being that we both had NO AA and by the time we did you guys hopefully would have taken out the tanks and gotten bombers for the bunkers.

GRS and i will go again in the future against you and your buddy to see how it will pan out Redneck. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Again, im just razzin you, but the challenge would still stand.

[Redbanana27]

Dont tempt me!!!

But the only way we would of won that is by getting semoventes. And that takes a LONG LONG time.

[Why_You_Eat_Me]

its a bit hard to stop a truck if an m13 cant reach it in time and i have no need for the sau-40. there is no need for it i win most of my games as france. And what would happen if the fat guy tried to play fencing with a gun no one would play with him for using a gun and if i knew someone would spam sau40s id kick him

[Why_You_Eat_Me]

also how can i snipe recon with a 2 armour 300m range tank with 3 armour 350m range tanks defending it.

[robbinx730]

Still crying about sau-40's? lolzorz

[Why_You_Eat_Me]

ever heard of game balancing the sau should have never had an assault gun

[Redbanana27]

I wouldnt mind the Sau 40 if it was either
300m range
$50 research
$30 each

Its stupid how cheap they are for hkw much they do

[Why_You_Eat_Me]

There is no fairness in it and the people that say that france needs it they have the bis for meds and the ebr for heavies

[Endo_Dizzy]

Hey now, i never said the SUA's were fair, but being that we were going against two of the best players at this game worldwide(on hte console) it was a pretty good tactic.if that had been any other duo of players, GRS usually gos for the bis and some guppys, then after holding the enemy down, goes for the FCM's and then weve won.

I do agree with redbanana though of how little the sau's cost compared to how much they can do.
I think $50 research and then 30 a pice would be pretty fair for those units.Like i said, if it had been anyone else, he wouldnt have done that.

[robbinx730]

sau-40's are pretty balanced, stop crying. really easy to counter sau 40's.

[weedbazooka]

2 of the best worldwide players on console(not ps3) would not be complaining about how op'd the sau-40 is on an underpowered nation. But then again, 2 of the best worldwide players on console(not ps3) playing as double italy wouldnt be so NOOBISH to not have ONE of them build an airfield. Fb's rape sau-40's and light arty rapes french AA. Veltro's can pwn air against almost anybody. Im really starting to think xbox players suck.

[rossocool]

Go weedbazooka! I totally agree. Why do people moan about SAU-40s when all you need is a tank destroyer or fighter-bombers or lucky hidden AT or a decent tank. When it comes to it SAU-40s are not vulnerable to artillery but as they act as artillery then everyone tries to counter it like that. Use a tank and sweep the map clean!

[Why_You_Eat_Me]

Originally posted by weedbazooka:
2 of the best worldwide players on console(not ps3) would not be complaining about how op'd the sau-40 is on an underpowered nation. But then again, 2 of the best worldwide players on console(not ps3) playing as double italy wouldnt be so NOOBISH to not have ONE of them build an airfield. Fb's rape sau-40's and light arty rapes french AA. Veltro's can pwn air against almost anybody. Im really starting to think xbox players suck.

france is not underpowered at all. best assult gun, best light artillery, best early game tank, 1 of the best fbs, amazing at, and a recon that can wipe out pershings. sau is too good for its costs

[Redbanana27]

O ye we went random so saying that we "went" double italy is wrong.

I did research semoventes, but by that time Why You Eat Me was already out and i was like http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

But ye... Although i love italy, i aint great with them.

And going sparievero's would of been a bad move IMO on that map anyway

[weedbazooka]

Originally posted by Why_You_Eat_Me:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by weedbazooka:
2 of the best worldwide players on console(not ps3) would not be complaining about how op'd the sau-40 is on an underpowered nation. But then again, 2 of the best worldwide players on console(not ps3) playing as double italy wouldnt be so NOOBISH to not have ONE of them build an airfield. Fb's rape sau-40's and light arty rapes french AA. Veltro's can pwn air against almost anybody. Im really starting to think xbox players suck.

france is not underpowered at all. best assult gun, best light artillery, best early game tank, 1 of the best fbs, amazing at, and a recon that can wipe out pershings. sau is too good for its costs </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Everything you just mentioned i can counter with fb's, actually with ANY fb. And Frances fb sucks but because it doesnt have research, it makes it decent early game. It takes 3 to kill armor 5 and sometimes they even miss and it doesnt one shot anything i can think of. The only other fb is worst is the italian one. But anyway, m15's can handle sau-40's pretty well, just circle them if you can and use the autoblinda too! But you didnt bother spending the $25 for the extra speed, armor, and guns???????

[robbinx730]

Whut? france FB sucks? it's definatly one of the best. for its price and AA damage it's awesome, you can swarm em and still have decent AA damage ( although the speed is lacking, you might need to use blitz when pursuing)

Regardless, double italy is great, huge speed, doable air, good arty ( oblices are worth it in matches against french, you just need 2 oblices (140) to cover nearly the entire map, which means all there sectors have to be camoed etc etc.)

btw, semoventes suck. never use em.

Would be better one starting off with prototype base (atleast, if you see the forward base coming) and the other arty or air.

Might be hard at the start with proto start, but how can french counter that in such a little timeframe?

[Redbanana27]

Originally posted by robbinx730:
Whut? france FB sucks? it's definatly one of the best. for its price and AA damage it's awesome, you can swarm em and still have decent AA damage ( although the speed is lacking, you might need to use blitz when pursuing)

Regardless, double italy is great, huge speed, doable air, good arty ( oblices are worth it in matches against french, you just need 2 oblices (140) to cover nearly the entire map, which means all there sectors have to be camoed etc etc.)

btw, semoventes suck. never use em.

Would be better one starting off with prototype base (atleast, if you see the forward base coming) and the other arty or air.

Might be hard at the start with proto start, but how can french counter that in such a little timeframe?

O ye i agree that semoventes suck but they are required sometimes . E.g. That game.

Also proto base counter = maginot... Which was pretty much the first thing he built http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif anyways. We lost due to us both starting tanks... However i needed tanks to stop gvardiya, calum tried to stop production of things such as the maginot... His failed... I helped him (slightly) but both arty base and AT base are exp. For italy... Calum got arty and i was researching semovemtes (finally) i moved out and had russian AT guns... So i had to maneveur all the way round the other side of the town... Then the AWESOME t-34 gvardiya mix came bearing down on me and it was all too much.

As i said i aint great at managing italy as a nation... But have a hell of a time playing as them.

I cant win as italy on 1 v 1's i really cant since i can only use them as a supportive nation not a full frontal force.

So for 2v2 ye fine but in 1 v 1's i just cant play as them... I try and utilise there speed but it just doesnt work for me sadly http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

USSR FOR MOTHER RUSSIA!!!

[robbinx730]

Yea because a maginot easely counters p26s.... Are you for real? 2 of em under fana can kill a mag, then start kiting the saus, and go around hitting depots. They can only counter with td, which on shorttern you have bredas. Also going italy proto means best AA ingame. On top of that, italians aa is quick enough to stay out of range of france tanks, so you can push em all the way up. Just admit you guys failed, stop blaming saus

[Redbanana27]

Ye but why would you start proto (except for getting the maginot) which we didnt really know was there.

I cant remember the last time me or whyyoueatme started proto... It was back in our noob days.

Anyway ye we failed and it was because the saus.

Too cheap for what they are

[Why_You_Eat_Me]

Originally posted by robbinx730:
Yea because a maginot easely counters p26s.... Are you for real? 2 of em under fana can kill a mag, then start kiting the saus, and go around hitting depots. They can only counter with td, which on shorttern you have bredas. Also going italy proto means best AA ingame. On top of that, italians aa is quick enough to stay out of range of france tanks, so you can push em all the way up. Just admit you guys failed, stop blaming saus

and if i didget a proto all that they needed to do was get AT and then im screwed

[robbinx730]

Armor 4 long range tanks laugh at At, unless your caught off gaurd and they suprise attack you. AdvAt needs 4 hits to kill a p26. Decrypt you can see the maginot and the tank base, build proto = game won.

[weedbazooka]

Proto isnt noobish with italy because ur using it defensively. 2 breadas and a p26 can hold off a rush pretty well. Honestly, the only thing ur missing is recon. A maginot bunker doesnt even come into play unless you decide to attack it.

[Warforger]

Aside from say AT guns? And playing defensive early game is a sure sign you're not going to win especially if you inhabit such a small space that 1 P26 and 2 breda trucks can hold off their attacks.

[Why_You_Eat_Me]

how does italy stop a maginot within the first 2 mins of a game then? When you have access to an armour base and a barracks. and breda trucks would be useless and as soon as at is made italys proto is useless with no income

[weedbazooka]

So you both were playing against France and didnt see them moving a forward maginot bunker straight at you????? Im also assuming that you were playing on a small map. If it was a smaller size map, then you kinda should have known a rush of some sort was coming. A large map like COG a proto start can work, but smaller maps proto is useless. My point is if it was a smaller map, how did you guys not expect some form of a tank rush??? Then why did you not research the m15's or build an AT base if you were just using m13's???? Just seems a little noobish using m13's for defense against an attacking France with a bunker for support. Every map regardless of size has choke points that you can take advantage of using infantry to avoid having a maginot bunker and sau-40's staring at your face.

[Warforger]

What? I wasn't arguing that you couldn't counter a Maginot rush, what I am arguing though is that it's not hard to counter a proto rush.

Otherwise bunkers can deploy faster than you can get ground units to intercept it can, of course only air units can do so. That's why you build artillery.

[maikkelis95]

Originally posted by rossocool:
Go weedbazooka! I totally agree. Why do people moan about SAU-40s when all you need is a tank destroyer or fighter-bombers or lucky hidden AT or a decent tank. When it comes to it SAU-40s are not vulnerable to artillery but as they act as artillery then everyone tries to counter it like that. Use a tank and sweep the map clean!

tell the name of the italian tank which sweeps SAU off the map