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AndyJWest
11-21-2009, 07:47 AM
... advancing fast (http://uk.news.yahoo.com/22/20091121/tts-uk-cern-ca02f96.html)

Those expecting the world to disappear into a black hole, prepare for the end.

The rest of us can just wait to see what they've done with all our money. I hope it's worth the effort.

Can anyone tell me what a Higgs Boson, a Hadron, or a Quark is, and what I could do with it if I had one? Only kidding, I'm sure this is cutting-edge physics. I just wish it was easier to understand...

The_Stealth_Owl
11-21-2009, 07:58 AM
You believe this "big bang" crap??

Want to know the real story of worlds end?


It starts in 5 years.


It is WWIII.

arthursmedley
11-21-2009, 08:17 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by The_Stealth_Owl:
You believe this "big bang" crap??

Want to know the real story of worlds end?


It starts in 5 years.

Lol, Owl. The "big-bang crap" is how it all started. Don't you know it ends in a whimper http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

AndyJWest
11-21-2009, 08:21 AM
The 'Big Bang' theory is about the begining, not the end. It's not 'crap' it is a well-founded scientific theory. With decent radio equipment you can hear the 'echo' of the bang - cosmic microwave background radiation.

As for WWIII it could happen, but why 5 years? why not two weeks? or fifty years? Do you know something that the rest of us don't?

raaaid
11-21-2009, 08:52 AM
i bet they fail again http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

Deedsundone
11-21-2009, 09:22 AM
I love the big bang theory....the best comedy show in years.

AndyJWest
11-21-2009, 09:36 AM
Originally posted by Deedsundone:
I love the big bang theory....the best comedy show in years.
Kindly explain....

TS_Sancho
11-21-2009, 09:41 AM
I'm excited to see what happens. String theory, M theory, 11 dimensional multiverse... its all way beyond me but if I understand correctly we are at one of those moments in history where our perceptions of the world around us are about to be turned on our heads if what some of the physicists are predicting is true.

The_Stealth_Owl
11-21-2009, 09:53 AM
I am a christian. I believe GOD created Earth.

The_Stealth_Owl
11-21-2009, 09:58 AM
See the thing is, this terrorist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad) is building nuclear bombs, planing to bomb Isreal and America.


If you are not a christian, read this (http://www.wikihow.com/Survive-a-Nuclear-Attack) and hope for he best.

If you are a christian, you would want to die and go to heaven.

I am sorry if I am forcing my religion on you, but I believe this.

TS_Sancho
11-21-2009, 10:02 AM
I am sorry if I am forcing my religion on you, but I believe this.

The Muslim Jihadi's feel the same way.

AndyJWest
11-21-2009, 10:02 AM
Originally posted by The_Stealth_Owl:
I am a christian. I believe GOD created Earth.

It is possible to be a Christian and believe in the Big Bang theory. An all-powerful God would be quite capable of creating the Earth via a Big Bang.

You still haven't explained your 'WWIII in 5 years' comments. I hope you are not basing that on something some 'Christian' told you. Unfortunately, milennialist talk like that seems prevelant amongst sections of the US Christian community, though they have a consistant record of getting the date wrong. If they were right, the world would have ended long before either of us were born.

Eow_TK
11-21-2009, 10:11 AM
Im catholic and yes, I believe in the big bang, and evolution. I'm not into the whole creationism thing. But I dont think religion matters her. They are doing experiments and research and we'll see what they uncover.

AndyJWest
11-21-2009, 10:13 AM
See the thing is, this terrorist is building nuclear bombs, planing to bomb Israel and America.

Both America and Israel possess nuclear weapons, Owl. The Iranians may be trying to acquire them, though there is no definitive proof of this. Since using them against either country would result in retaliation in kind, I see no more reason that the Iranians would use them than the US or Israel. The world will be a safer place if nobody has nuclear weapons, and assisting the Israelis in accquiring them, as the US, UK, and other countries did has done nothing to bring stability to the middle east.

And by the way, even if the Iranians have nuclear weapons, they don't have the missile technology to reach the US with them.

The_Stealth_Owl
11-21-2009, 10:17 AM
I heard about this WWIII from a christion Jew.


Oleg, can we have a WWIII sim?

AndyJWest
11-21-2009, 10:30 AM
Originally posted by The_Stealth_Owl:
I heard about this WWIII from a christion Jew.


Oleg, can we have a WWIII sim?

And how does this Jewish Christian know about WWIII? Why should he be any more correct than all the other Christians that have predicted ealier 'Ends of the World'?

If Oleg was to start making a WWIII sim, I doubt it would be finished in 5 years.

Bremspropeller
11-21-2009, 10:37 AM
If you are a christian, you would want to die and go to heaven.

Really?

Deedsundone
11-21-2009, 10:50 AM
Originally posted by AndyJWest:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Deedsundone:
I love the big bang theory....the best comedy show in years.
Kindly explain.... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Big_Bang_Theory

mmitch10
11-21-2009, 11:06 AM
Originally posted by Deedsundone:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AndyJWest:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Deedsundone:
I love the big bang theory....the best comedy show in years.
Kindly explain.... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Big_Bang_Theory </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Andy, I second this...a great US comedy. If ever you've worked with academics, you'll recognise these characters.

Messaschnitzel
11-21-2009, 11:25 AM
Maybe somebody left part of a shrimp salad sandwich inside the contraption, and due to the thing getting bombarded by god knows what, it will morph into some sort of monstrosity that will destroy the world. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

AndyJWest
11-21-2009, 11:37 AM
Ah yes Deedsundone, mmitch10, I remember now. I've seen 'The Big Bang Theory' - quite funny, though a bit overacted if you ask me.

Messaschnitzel, I've heard nothing about the Shrimp Salad Sandwich Monster so far, so either we are safe, or there has been a massive cover-up. Hang on, I'll check with Google to be sure....

Edit-------------------------

No Shrimp Salad Sandwich Monster on Google, though there is a Fruit Salad Monster.

Clearly the powers that be are keeping this under wraps - expect a visit from the Men in Black shortly. Hang on, there is someone knocking at my door...

The_Stealth_Owl
11-21-2009, 11:38 AM
Andy, the last thing I want to do is to get into an arguement with my ingenious friend (you), I don't feel like explaining more on this thread.

AndyJWest
11-21-2009, 11:57 AM
Owl, you don't have to explain anything, though it's not really very sensible to make claims about the end of the world and then not say why you claim this. You can't really complain if people don't take you seriously.

Anyway, your beliefs are your own. I think what people do is far more important than what they believe. One thing I do remember though from my days at a Christian school is the Sermon on the Mount: "Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God". No mention of starting WWIII there. Or accusing others of wanting to start it.

There is also Luke 6:35 - "But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil."

You do not have to be a Christian to agree with these sentiments.

TS_Sancho
11-21-2009, 12:08 PM
Originally posted by AndyJWest:
Owl, you don't have to explain anything, though it's not really very sensible to make claims about the end of the world and then not say why you claim this. You can't really complain if people don't take you seriously.

Anyway, your beliefs are your own. I think what people do is far more important than what they believe. One thing I do remember though from my days at a Christian school is the Sermon on the Mount: "Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God". No mention of starting WWIII there. Or accusing others of wanting to start it.

There is also Luke 6:35 - "But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil."

You do not have to be a Christian to agree with these sentiments.

Good post Andy, thank you for that.

How come nobody is interested in discussing Higgs Bosuns and the scientific possibilities of the LHC?

Too quote a cable television science show "we are on the brink of a copernican revolution"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolaus_Copernicus

What wonderful times we live in. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

AndyJWest
11-21-2009, 12:19 PM
Higgs Bosuns

Were they part of Captain Pugwash's crew. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Sorry, shouldn't mock typo's - I'm making a lot myself since I started using IE - no spell checker. Not that it would have spotted this.

I suspect there aren't many on the forum who know what a Higgs Boson is, or rather what it will be if they prove that it exists: I certainly don't. Maybe the most significant thing to come out of spending all this money will not be the experimental results, but the interest in physics it generates.

I should probably at least see what Wikipedia has to say about the Higgs thingy, but that can wait till tomorrow - its Ubizoo coop time...

DuxCorvan
11-21-2009, 12:22 PM
Ask my gf what's a Big Bang. She got big-banged last Friday... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

raaaid
11-21-2009, 12:30 PM
i think a high bossom is supposely the particle which gives mass to particles

Tuphlandng
11-21-2009, 12:36 PM
If you say gullible multiple times real slow it sounds like green beans

TS_Sancho
11-21-2009, 01:39 PM
Originally posted by raaaid:
i think a high bossom is supposely the particle which gives mass to particles

That is my understanding of it.

Of the top of my head, the Higgs Bosun theoretically gives mass to matter and needs a very high energy environment to exist, such as was found in the primordial universe or will be created by the LHC. Theoretically high energy cosmic rays smashing into our upper atmosphere should create them as well, we just have no way of detecting them up there.

Anyone heard the theory that what we call dark energy is possibly gravity leaking over from another dimension in the multiverse?

AndyJWest
11-21-2009, 04:36 PM
Anyone heard the theory that what we call dark energy is possibly gravity leaking over from another dimension in the multiverse
If it is, can we ask those responsible to deal with the leak?

DrHerb
11-21-2009, 05:11 PM
Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
Ask my gf what's a Big Bang. She got big-banged last Friday... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

The Big Bang theory is still just a theory.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

skarden
11-21-2009, 05:12 PM
Originally posted by The_Stealth_Owl:
I am a christian. I believe GOD created Earth.

Nope,wrong I think,if god created anything it was the universe as we know it,its been here a hell of a lot longer then the earth and I can't believe it was all just put there so we have something pretty to look at at night time.

But I guess it depends on which god you believe in,if any at all.

Im really looking forward to seeing what this experiment brings,as a race we have to understand the universe better if we indend to exist past the life span of our planet.

Eow_TK
11-21-2009, 05:26 PM
Originally posted by Tuphlandng:
If you say gullible multiple times real slow it sounds like green beans

Damn you tuph http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif haha i feel like an idiot now. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Warrington_Wolf
11-21-2009, 05:27 PM
Originally posted by mmitch10:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Deedsundone:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AndyJWest:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Deedsundone:
I love the big bang theory....the best comedy show in years.
Kindly explain.... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Big_Bang_Theory </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Andy, I second this...a great US comedy. If ever you've worked with academics, you'll recognise these characters. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Kaley Cuoco, Mmmmmmm nice http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

Badsight-
11-21-2009, 06:24 PM
its about time they finally got around to firing it up . the worlds smartest physicists are not that handy with the spanners so it seems
Originally posted by The_Stealth_Owl:
Andy, the last thing I want to do is to get into an arguement with my ingenious friend (you), I don't feel like explaining more on this thread.
your just lucky its up to the moderators personall discretion to declare trolling , rather than actual behaviour

because you is a TROLL

AndyJWest
11-21-2009, 06:30 PM
Badsight, Owl is a 14 year old kid. Give him a little leeway. In any case, he was responding to a question I asked. If he doesn't want to discuss his religious beliefs on the forum, he is entitled to say so.

Speaking of trolling, have you got anything to say on the thread topic?

Badsight-
11-21-2009, 06:30 PM
Owl is the POS HL member "SGT SLAUGHTER" . or one of his bearly double digit IQ freinds . hes trolling every time he posts whether hes on topic or not

Originally posted by AndyJWest:
Speaking of trolling, have you got anything to say on the thread topic?

rich coming from yourself . but anyway , what if the inter-dimensional gavity leak is responsible for our continued existence http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

AndyJWest
11-21-2009, 07:04 PM
Owl is the POS HL member "SGT SLAUGHTER"

Owl is a 14 year old kid, or someone whe does an extremely good imitation of one on teamspeak.

If you don't believe me, ask the moderators.

Come to that, if you think he is someone else using an alias, you should raise that with the moderators, not post it here.

I think that both of us probably troll on occasion, or at least are more keen on saying something than actually having something relevant to say. 'Let him who is without sin cast the first stone' springs to mind from the rarely-visited recesses of my Christian education. Not such a bad principle to work with.

"what if the inter-dimensional gavity leak is responsible for our continued existence?" A good question, to which I haven't the faintest idea what an answer would even look like, though I've a vague idea that some physicists might suggest that until we observed the leak, it didn't exist, so we are responsible for its existance too.

A bit of web-wandering reveals that they are looking for beauty at CERN (see here (http://ow.ly/EjUB%20#CERN #LHC)):


B is for beauty
At CERN’s Large Hadron Collider, beams of protons will be accelerated close to the speed of light and smashed together, recreating the conditions that existed when the Universe was a hundredth of a billionth of a second old.

Although absent from the Universe today, particles known as ‘beauty quarks’ were common in the aftermath of the Big Bang, and will be generated in their billions by the LHC, along with their antimatter counterparts, anti-beauty quarks.

'B' and 'anti-b' quarks are unstable and short-lived, decaying rapidly into a range of other particles. Physicists believe that by comparing these decays, they may be able to gain useful clues as to why nature prefers matter over antimatter.

Some recent experiments in this area have already met with success, but by harnessing the power of the LHC, the LHCb experiment will be able to study many more b and anti-b quark decays than ever before.


Isn't an 'anti-beauty quark' an ugly-quark? And if 'nature prefers matter over antimatter' doesn't this suggest that nature prefers beauty to ugliness? Perhaps beauty is not in the eye of the beholder, but in the fabric of the universe. Or more likely, the physicist responsible for naming the beauty quark was feeling poetic at the time.