Looks like Vivendi's nabbed the 'original' Bourne before Ubi

[Knot3D]

Vivendi Games division Sierra has revealed Robert Ludlum's The Bourne Conspiracy for PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360, a stealth-action game due to debut at E3 next month.

Linkage to article : http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=78474

So.... the market will have SC Conviction, this Bourne Conspiracy game AND The Outsider. 3 Similair concept games each with their own bada55, casually clothed H2H combat expert. http://images.eurogamer.net/assets/articles//a/7/8/4/7/5/ss_preview_ee_04.tif.jpg.jpg

I think, MGS4 will be the original stealth game King again....

[SPROGGY]

Im willing to bet Conviction will be a superior game. But Im looking forward to seeing more of this.

[element54]

Originally posted by deepego3:
Im willing to bet Conviction will be a superior game. But Im looking forward to seeing more of this.

only because sam will have a hoodie... pfft what noobs vivendi are.

[Knot3D]

Originally posted by deepego3:
Im willing to bet Conviction will be a superior game. But Im looking forward to seeing more of this.

But.. dude ! This is THE original Bourne game. The one brilliant source of Conviction inspiration. You should at least assume it's the best of the best until you play it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[SPROGGY]

Ah yes, but there is an ace up Ubisofts sleeve!!! Bourne may be the original, but Sam has....THE JACK PACK!!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif !!! What chance could a young, highly trained government assassin possibly have against an elderly secret agent with a messenger bag?

[KJ_White]

yeah i think conviction wins with the ol' jack pack. (i'm guessing this ties into 24?) pfft anyways jack would beat all

[marinius]

Originally posted by Knot3D:

So.... the market will have SC Conviction, this Bourne Conspiracy game AND The Outsider. 3 Similair concept games each with their own bada55, casually clothed H2H combat expert.

Yup, I'm pretty sure The Bourne Conspiracy is the one the Ubi devs really wanted to make. Now they'll have to strive for SCC being a better game than Bourne, which they might very well succeed with. Though, once again I'll question the "originality" of the SCC-gameplay and the supposed "staleness" of old-style SC...

Making a fugitive-style game is clearly in fashion at the moment. Ubi should have avoided the temptation to jump on that bandwagon and concentrated on what they do better than any other developer, pure shadow/light-based stealth using all the potential of the 360 to for instance better the AI.

[Knot3D]

Yeah, this thread's basically pointing out to that trend. It couldn't be more clear that big publishers jump the 24/Bourne bandwagon in which their marketeers foresee huge amounts of cash.

I mean.. look at the boards... this SC C game is bringing in people who didn't post here before ; guys who would usually find anything SC, extremely boring or stupid. Now, they get to play their bad a55 casual looking guy who happens to know some slick combat moves doing semi stealth ;

and since the popularity comes from those tv/movie sources, the inspiration is more character & story driven than gameplay-wise. ; it just happens that the quite original Assassin's Creed tech lends itself conveniently for this concept. Tacky tacked on ? Imho, indeed.

So.. i see the market like this :

original stealth games : staying true to roots or original from scratch :

-MGS4
-Assassin's Creed

the 24/Bourne infused stealth ACTION games appealing to mass audience :

- SC Conviction
- The Bourne Conspirancy
- The Outsider

Ironically, Sony already did a 24 game on PS2.. but it kind of flopped...

[goodkebab_00]

games based on movies usually suck hard core

[marinius]

@Knot3D: You're quite right. There seems to be a lot of people that are attracted to SCC that either didn't care much for the old SC-style or that never played the first games in the series. This, I have to assume, has been the grand plan of the Ubi marketeers all along; they simply want to increase the company's earnings. There's more money in games with emphasis on action, less in games with emphasis on stealth - it's as simple and cynical as that.

This means that I'll have to spend money on what looks like a cheap old style SC-knock off like Vampire Rain, while waiting for Cipher Complex, to be able to play stealth at least somewhat related to how I like it. I need my stealth fix, and it ain't gonna come from SCC.

And before people go off again about how "this is still stealth, it's new stealth, it's exciting, we don't know enough about the game yet", I believe I know enough to say that this game won't satisfy my hunger for stealth.

[wallz0r]

To me SC:C looks now like an typical action game(I could change my opinion,but I doubt it).Anyway,I doubt "The Bourne Conspiracy" will be anything good,because as goodkebab_00 said games based on movies suck.But I could be wrong and this game could be a great one,better than SC:C.

[Knot3D]

I'd guess both this Bourne game and SC C will work like they're intended.

I assume Assassin's Creed "crowd Ai system" was tested thoroughly enough and given many parameters to be quite flexible.

However, it is a mass shift in game audience focus ; attracting many pleayers who crave conspiracy driven plotlines, featuring those tv star icons.

Add in physics and animation blending and you'll have the tools to fulfill their wishes for combat and environment interacting driven playstyle.

But yeah, really.. there's so many guy's now making statements about Legacy SC games as if they're the most ******ed thing ever existed. Throwing that system and premise away also throws out the fans of that foundation.

I'll keep an eye on Ubi and whatever they'll do with the SC franchise ; but.. i won't be supporting/buying their product this round. I'll be buying MGS4, Assassin's Creed and SC DA Xbox1 version. Those purchases mark where i stand as a consumer of games.

[MKCC14]

Its a game based off of a movie, so most likely it might not be that good at all. The last good movie-game was Chronicles of Rid**** i believe. Ill wait and see what both games, SCC and this, have to offer.

[SilentAce07]

People, read an article before you assume things.

Its not based off the movies, which is why that guy looks nowhere near Matt Damon. Its based off the book series which has been out for a very long time, and actually happens to be my favorite book series ever.

And the movies are nothing like the books, BTW.

[Knot3D]

Originally posted by MKCC14:
Its a game based off of a movie, so most likely it might not be that good at all.

...and SC C's concept just appeared out of thin air ? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[MKCC14]

Originally posted by Knot3D:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MKCC14:
Its a game based off of a movie, so most likely it might not be that good at all.

...and SC C's concept just appeared out of thin air ? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Nope, it appeared almost 2 years ago when they started working on the game.

[Jackbau3r24]

lol. Matt Damon isn't even playing Bourne.

[Chinese_Bookey]

Looks like poop. Hail Kojima.

[SPROGGY]

Am i the only one here who just cant seem to get into MGS?

[MKCC14]

Originally posted by deepego3:
Am i the only one here who just cant seem to get into MGS?
I was...years back. I used to play it all the time, over and over, and had the best time of my life. But then it started to wear thin and SC came along with something even better. I thought 10 hours of gameplay was better than 2 hours of gameplay.

I just dont understand why the game isnt a movie yet when you sit down and listen to these people talk for like 45 mins and run 15 feet for them to start another conversation(MGS). http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Now Im out of the MGS series and into something else...if SC started to get boring like that there are also other games to go to.

[Knot3D]

Originally posted by deepego3:
Am i the only one here who just cant seem to get into MGS?

Why not ? Although not directly, Ferland did cite MGS as SC1's influence. Is it MGS's military feel which puts you off, or the somewhat over the top storyline (if you try to get into it...the story can be immersive, really) or just the type of gameplay ? I'd say.. give MGS3 Subsistence a chance. It's not a realistic stealthgame but it is good fun.

I'd say the highlights are the camoflage system and the new 3rd person camera which both result in a somewhat SC feel to MGS. The CQC is pretty good as well, yet limited as it should be in a stealth game.

Ow..and MKCC14... yeah, they started working on SC C those years ago..... and they probably based it off movies just like SC DA was too.

[SPROGGY]

Its the over the top storyline and the lack of realism. Im aware that a game with too much realism would be very very difficult, but Im into there being as much realism as possible without over doing it. MGS is just way over the top, and at times, somewhat corny because of it. Now to be fair I havent played ever MGS title. But the one I did play some of just put me off entirely.

As for the idea for Conviction, it couldve come from anywhere. There are obviously any number of places they couldve gotten the idea and numerous forms of media that could serve as influence. The Bourne movies, 24, The Unit, The Fugitive, The Hunted, etc... My point though is that I dont think it really matters. Chances are they derived the idea for the original SC gameplay the exact same way, from other source material. Its difficult to come up with original ideas nowadays, and its only going o get harder.

[osborne10]

i never got into it either (mgs).and what does it really matter where they got the idea from.technically you can go through any game and say they have took/stole the idea of any other game,book,movie.for the older splinter cells you can say that they took ideas from james bonde,mission impossible etc.maybe they did,maybe they didn't.and yes he is a fugitive,and i guess thats a trend or whatever.in the real world this is how it works,someone that you work with is framing you,he is one of the lead peoples.and this place provides your equipment.so you get away from the place so you don't get arrested and stuff that follows after,the kinda stuff that happens when you kill someone,or to try and blow up new york city .so to try and live a free life you try to prove your innocence.and you cant do it with the equipment you use in the other games since,because for some reason the person trying to frame you isn't going to give it to you.and if he found out that grim and so&so is giving it to you they will probably end up dying.so he cant do what used to.so he has no option but to blend in ,and try to get things done.thats just how i see it.

[Knot3D]

still, storylines are weak excuses. If anything, the.. the set up where DA left off was a wrong one.

[MKCC14]

Originally posted by Knot3D:
still, storylines are weak excuses. If anything, the.. the set up where DA left off was a wrong one.
There are many people out there that dont like the games you like because of different issues. I know people that wont play a game without a good realistic story. And others that like a game with no story or dont care about the story and just want to play.

[Chinese_Bookey]

The camoflage system in MGS3 is the greatest thing ever, and it looks even better in MGS4. w00t.

[BurningDeath.]

Originally posted by MKCC14:
I was...years back. I used to play it all the time, over and over, and had the best time of my life. But then it started to wear thin and SC came along with something even better. I thought 10 hours of gameplay was better than 2 hours of gameplay.

I just dont understand why the game isnt a movie yet when you sit down and listen to these people talk for like 45 mins and run 15 feet for them to start another conversation(MGS). http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Now Im out of the MGS series and into something else...if SC started to get boring like that there are also other games to go to.

Wow, your life must be great! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

[MKCC14]

Originally posted by BurningDeath.:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MKCC14:
I was...years back. I used to play it all the time, over and over, and had the best time of my life. But then it started to wear thin and SC came along with something even better. I thought 10 hours of gameplay was better than 2 hours of gameplay.

I just dont understand why the game isnt a movie yet when you sit down and listen to these people talk for like 45 mins and run 15 feet for them to start another conversation(MGS). http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Now Im out of the MGS series and into something else...if SC started to get boring like that there are also other games to go to.

Wow, your life must be great! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yeah, it is, because playing games is just a small portion of my life actually. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

[Jackbau3r24]

Hearing the characters talk is what makes the franchise so great. The profound writing and narrating is amazing.

[MKCC14]

Originally posted by Jackbau3r24:
Hearing the characters talk is what makes the franchise so great. The profound writing and narrating is amazing.
I loved some of the dialogue in the MGS series, they pass on some great quotes. But most of it drag on way too long and a lot of people admit to it. It drags on way too long sometimes for you to stay interested.

[FARLEYFAN]

Originally posted by MKCC14:
Yeah, it is, because playing games is just a small portion of my life actually. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

What is 4,000 posts worth of your life? Anyways I am playing MGS right now because no one is online in CT and DA just sucks. I would play SP on CT but for some reason my xbox won't read it right now.

So, the mgs that I am playing is the one for the PSP. It is IMO the greatest PSP game yet. It actually involves stealth, and it has a fun online mode believe it or not.

[Stealth_chill]

Originally posted by FARLEYFAN:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MKCC14:
Yeah, it is, because playing games is just a small portion of my life actually. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

What is 4,000 posts worth of your life? Anyways I am playing MGS right now because no one is online in CT and DA just sucks. I would play SP on CT but for some reason my xbox won't read it right now.

So, the mgs that I am playing is the one for the PSP. It is IMO the greatest PSP game yet. It actually involves stealth, and it has a fun online mode believe it or not. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

wanna play some CT farely?

[FARLEYFAN]

I won't be on today, maybe tomorrow or Friday. But sure I would be glad to play with you, just send me a friend request to Papa Skull and I will accept it when I get online.

[SITHDUKE]

They should definatly make a movie and give David Hayter the part. I just couldn't handle it if his voice wasn't David Hayters.

[LoneInTheDark]

Originally posted by Stealth_chill:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FARLEYFAN:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MKCC14:
Yeah, it is, because playing games is just a small portion of my life actually. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

What is 4,000 posts worth of your life? Anyways I am playing MGS right now because no one is online in CT and DA just sucks. I would play SP on CT but for some reason my xbox won't read it right now.

So, the mgs that I am playing is the one for the PSP. It is IMO the greatest PSP game yet. It actually involves stealth, and it has a fun online mode believe it or not. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

wanna play some CT farely? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Chili I am still waiting for our round of CT coop...I was on tonight playing CT.

[KJ_White]

i take offence to who ever says i'm only posting here coz of tv shows look for something like this on page 1 lol, i've played all SC's accept the one for psp and i've played most ghost recon's as well as rainbow six's so there http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif i'm really on these forums for the new game endwar which looks cool so lol. just stopped in to see what people's ideas on the new SC was thats all

[marinius]

Originally posted by KJ_White:
i take offence to who ever says i'm only posting here coz of tv shows look for something like this on page 1 lol, i've played all SC's accept the one for psp and i've played most ghost recon's as well as rainbow six's so there http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif i'm really on these forums for the new game endwar which looks cool so lol. just stopped in to see what people's ideas on the new SC was thats all

I don't believe anyone said exactly that about you KJ. You of course have every right to be posting your thoughts in this forum. It's just that when you've been visiting these forums since SC1, like I have, you find a noticeable difference in the topics and interests of many people on the forum today compared to those of yesteryear. That obviously is neither good nor bad objectively speaking, but I think some of us long back to the world of the old SC and those feelings might sometimes come off a bit too strongly as regards to newer member of the forums. No personal offence intended mate! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[osborne10]

in my opinion i don't think the story is a weak excuse . who ever makes up the story.whether they make it all up in the beginning or just make it up as they go.they follow that story.the game makers make the gameplay as fun as possible and line it up with the story.so if your trying to prove your innocence and the person/people framing you are the ones you work with your not going to be supplied with NVG,and all the other stuff you used in the previous games.but they could of made the story in a other direction,so they could use the older gameplay.i don't see how though ,because of what happened in 2 essentials/DA.because the only way you can prove your innocence without the stuff you used before,because you cant get it any more,is to do what he is doing in conviction.and DA was a good game depending on what platform you used.it could have been better but it was a good game.

[Jackbau3r24]

Here's the trailer for the game:

http://gametrailers.com/player/21307.html

It's near the end of the video. For a game that still has a YEAR left in development, it's looking DAMN GOOD. The graphics look great and the combat...it looks like they're going to stay true to the film's CQC. In fact, this game looks better than Conviction and so does the CQC.

[Jackbau3r24]

So nobody cares?