GRAW2 - 1080p?

[XdarXideX]

Hi,

Just looked at the tech spec on the back of the inlay and it says the game is 1080p! Is this true or is it a misprint?

Has anyone tried 1080p (not 1080i) on GRAW2 yet? Is there much degradation in performance?

[kryz]

There is no game run in 1080p for the moment only virtua tennis 3 and forza 2 will be in this resolution.

[asif123]

Originally posted by kryz:
There is no game run in 1080p for the moment only virtua tennis 3 and forza 2 will be in this resolution.

Wrong this game IS 1080p.

Also every 360 game can be upscaled to 1080p.

[Safrole]

Every game is upscaled. I read about this, and there's just not enough internal bandwidth to render gazillions of shapes in 1080 internally. So they render in 720 and the video encoder upscales it. I heard a guy say "give me photorealism at 480". That's the truth. Resolution is nothing compared to realistic texture and shading. BTW I've read games on the PS3 also will not render 1080 internally, but upscale with the encoder as well. Their memory distribution is different (some would argue better) but is still not enough to maintain a good frame rate under such a load.

[skullivan]

The PS3 isn't even capable of upscaling from 720p to 1080i. All it can do is downscale, so the games definitely run in 1080p.

On my TV for example (which does 1080i only) I can watch Blu-ray movies in 1080i and games that are 1080p will run in 1080i also.

If a game only support 720p (which is unfortunately 95% of them)then the system downscales it to 480p to display it on my screen.

And incidentally, most would argue that PS3's memory distribution is worse than the 360's, which has no distribution.

[Safrole]

By distribution I meant the differences in number of cores, amount of ram and internal bandwidth between components. I'm not up on it, really, but in principle I understand what's going on.

When you double the resolution of a picture, the memory useage goes up by four. Triple it and it goes up nine times. So high resolution is a huge resource hog, and for precious little qualitative improvement, IMO. The upscaling that takes place is that the objects all get rendered at 720, for instance. This makes it easier to maintain a good frame rate. You can render more shapes and shade them, etc. Then the video encoder, which turns the raw data into an NTSC or Pal or whatever signal, will upscale to the proper resolution. I'm not talking about movies or other video feed where it's possibly transcoding and/or scaling. I would wager that almost all the PS3 games (like ours) are being internally rendered at a lower resolution, then being upscaled (which is quick and painless) on the back end as the final video signal is generated.

On the original xbox, I hex edited a few bytes on the Summit Strike code and it plays in 480p. Nothing changed except the command to the video encoder. You could hardly tell it on my cheap HDTV anyway, heh heh. Also there are bioses for the xbox version 1, the one with the fan on the GPU (the Conexant encoder I think) that will make it encode VGA. Again, nothing changes upstream of the encoder, really. I'm not up on 360s, but if it's putting out 1080, then the only direction any scaling has gone is up.

[kryz]

Originally posted by asif123:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by kryz:
There is no game run in 1080p for the moment only virtua tennis 3 and forza 2 will be in this resolution.

Wrong this game IS 1080p.

Also every 360 game can be upscaled to 1080p. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Sorry man but is not true what you said, no game today on 360 are in 1080p native format , there are only 720p and after it depand on the tv or monitor you use them and eventualy they are upscalling but they will never be in 1080p native, only virtua tennis 3 and few more who will come soon will be.

[csteinke]

Well the box does say 1080p on the back, I hope they aren't lieing about it (no 1080p screen for me to test it). I know all games up and down convert resolutions, so that shouldn't count or be printed on the back. I know some games like Call of Duty 3 don't even display at 720p!! (They use a lower resolution, something along 10** by 5** or close to that and upconvert from there). A couple other games do this as well. Just checked the case, my CoD 3 case reads 480p/720p/1080i and it doesn't even render it at 720p. So yeah, Ubisoft/Microsoft is lieing. It should be a rule that they print on the boxes the resolution the game renders at, not just the upconverted signals it can do.

[asif123]

Originally posted by kryz:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by asif123:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by kryz:
There is no game run in 1080p for the moment only virtua tennis 3 and forza 2 will be in this resolution.

Wrong this game IS 1080p.

Also every 360 game can be upscaled to 1080p. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Sorry man but is not true what you said, no game today on 360 are in 1080p native format , there are only 720p and after it depand on the tv or monitor you use them and eventualy they are upscalling but they will never be in 1080p native, only virtua tennis 3 and few more who will come soon will be. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well on the back of my box it clearly says 1080p.

[theshadowkills]

The game renders on the Xbox 360 at 1280x720 and upscales to 1080p.

720p is the Native res.

[Targ]

Xbox 360 has no HDMI port to plug the HDMI cable into and the only way to get 1080P is to use HDMI.
720P is what 360 games get played in.

[MeanMF]

You can get 1080p through the VGA connector.

[XdarXideX]

You can get 1080p through Component too. It just wont use HDCP.