Why So Lazy Ubisoft?

[IMBAZORZ]

I love the game. Played through it, completed singleplayer, playing coop alot with my friend atm.

But why would you leave in mousesmoothing and an Aim-Assist for PC players. It's so annoying and you can't even turn it off.
If i aim relatively close to the character and zoom + trigger i will do a headshot no matter what.

I still love the game, but i really don't understand why Ubi did this, it's annoying.

Sadly all of this is just another developer money issue i guess.

[KingKong001]

Aim assets is part of the game. I'm shocked you're able to complete the whole game. I haven't been able to complete it because my game pauses every second (unless there's a cut scene). I'm using Wireless internet so that could be my problem.

Not able to get anyone out here because we're so out of reach, so we're stuck with Wireless -_-. I haven't even been able to try coop or anything because of it pausing.

It's unplayable and enjoyable. If I changed my settings and press Esc, it goes black, and the Ubisoft game launcher shuts down after saving my game O_O. This is another problem I'm having too, the Launcher doing what it does. Then I have to double click the game AGAIN watch the same title screen and wait for it to load my file -_-.

[sam2000_290]

I don't get it. I never experienced any auto-aim or aim-assist. When do you encounter?!

[kev1703]

Mouse3 on enemy and you get an auto aim... console style.

[TheStranger.]

Originally posted by sam2000_290:
I don't get it. I never experienced any auto-aim or aim-assist. When do you encounter?!

You can't honestly believe that you are so l33t that you can almost always HS a baddy across the room with your pistol. I've noticed that if you are undetected and aim at a guy you pretty much always get HS.

[IMBAZORZ]

I just want to be able to turn this and mouse smoothing off. It's really annoying. The whole point of the mouse is gone with that aim assist imo. Might as well use a controller if you have a 360

[roelbartstra]

Originally posted by TheStranger.:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by sam2000_290:
I don't get it. I never experienced any auto-aim or aim-assist. When do you encounter?!

You can't honestly believe that you are so l33t that you can almost always HS a baddy across the room with your pistol. I've noticed that if you are undetected and aim at a guy you pretty much always get HS. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

So what you want is when you aim on the head, the super elite spy shoots somewhere else randomly? That sounds convenient...

[Compassghost]

If the target is far away enough, even if your red dot is on their head, you will miss. I've had plenty of bad shots where the bullet literally goes about 2 inches from where I'm aiming it and buzz over the target's head, and I've been around the block quite a few times. Also, if you try to shoot a moving target, there's definitely no aim assist there =_=

[IMBAZORZ]

Also, if you try to shoot a moving target, there's definitely no aim assist there =_=

The above statement is false, there is ALWAYS aim assist in SCC the only variable is if you are too slow to pull the trigger/or aim too far away you will miss.
Aim close enough to the target and you get a headshot on all enemies.
It's very common in console games, and even there you can toggle it off.

[Compassghost]

That's not aim assist, that's a hit assist then... aim assist implies the game assists you with aiming your gun (so if you're like 3mm from the head, it snaps to the head.) This game gives you headshots if you aim them, but it only rarely, if ever, snaps to head, and you are still liable to miss if they even move an inch...

[Riiku2]

I dont know what auto-aim are you talking about guys. Half of time I aimed at someone's head, I miss cuz he moves he's head like 2 cm away just the moment I pull the trigger

[TheStranger.]

Well it is as Compassghost pointed out, the feature is actually HIT ASSIST and not AIM ASSIST. Regardless it give you a much better chance at shooting the bad guy in the head. I'm guessing it is a left over feature that was in place for the console controller people trying to use a thumbstick to line up shots. Not a feature that is needed on a well made PC game where you can make use of the sensitivity of a mouse. But then the mechanics of the camera aiming are crap anyhow. Just trying to line up shots with this extreme third person view complicates thing and that's why they made sure you weren't suppose to use it in the first 4 games of the series. They pretty much force you to hold still by taking cover and then you can move the camera around.

[GuZZ33]

Until we hear officialy that there is aim-assist then it's just conjecture. I play conviction on the pc and xbox360 and have to say that i'm not seeing/feeling this aim-assistance ??. The 360 console allows you to switch off aim-assist. The only pc game i can think of that had aim-assist was rainbow six raven shield, which you could actualy see the crosshair snap to the targets upper torso/head lol.

[TheStranger.]

For cripes sake, the reticule turns red BEFORE YOU EVEN SHOOT. This is meant to be an indicator that your shot will hit what you are relatively pointing at. How is that not slightly aim assist and at least hit assist?

[Rionu]

Originally posted by GuZZ33:
Until we hear officialy that there is aim-assist then it's just conjecture. I play conviction on the pc and xbox360 and have to say that i'm not seeing/feeling this aim-assistance ??.
Probably because you play xbox too much and can't tell the difference anymore? Aim assist is in, it works when you have a laser sight attachment on your gun. It even says so in the description "makes aiming easier". It snaps to the enemy's head the moment you zoom in, if the guy is relatively near you. I had cases where it glitched and crosshair would stay glued to the dude's head until i release the fire button.

[IMBAZORZ]

Oh so its the guns fault!?
I've been using the Five Seven since its the pistol with the most marks.
I guess i just have to use a ****tier gun since you can't unequip your attachments..
Still a stupid feature imho.

[darkzero7]

the laser sight makes aiming easier by letting you more easily see the center of your sight. I've noticed no aim assist, but considering how i spend a lot of time prepping my kills i doubt I'd have noticed anyways. I can believe hit assist though.

[rogue_hart]

There's definitely a aim assist. As in the rets move to the enemy target for the first half second of aiming.

[Compassghost]

I've had maybe one occasion where my crosshair obviously followed the target's head like I was aimbotting. It was very annoying... There's a guaranteed hit if your crosshair glows red, but it doesn't guide your bullet to their head unless you actually aim for their head.

[IMBAZORZ]

I've made a video now.
Aim-Assist in Splinter Cell Conviction (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2AMT9Vn-ZA)

This shows what i am trying to get rid off in the game, or atleast just make it possible to toggle it off.

[darkzero7]

definitely aim assists when you click to zoom. it will auto jump to their head, so all you have to do is zoom and shoot

[Klaz0]

I stopped watching once the awful music started.



As far as I've noticed though the aim assistance only occurs when you first go into the aiming mode, and usually I'm in that mode for awhile before I shoot anyway so this isn't really a problem for me.

[IMBAZORZ]

I couldn't help myself, here you go Klaz0,
if you don't like this then **** ithttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Aim-Assist Feat Quiet Music (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sLoY_hRO-A)

[Klaz0]

I would have preferred Requiem for a Dream or Johnny Cash or something but that was sweet of you, thank you.



And yeah even in the video it looks like it only assists when you first go into aiming mode. Maybe check the .ini files and see if there's something like aimassist=true or something similar?

[TheStranger.]

LOL at the new music.

[GuZZ33]

Using a mouse is easy anyway, even a novice will do good using one, so added aim-assist is not very challenging. On the other hand, a controller takes more skill imho.

[dukeyduke]

Using the mouse WOULD be easy, if it moved with without this annoying mouse-smoothing delay. Would be nice to turn off the auto aim, no sign of anything in the *.ini files

Ps. Imbazorz, I don't like Jack Johnson, any chance of a remix with some christmas themed pan-pipe music?

[IMBAZORZ]

It's easy, get rid of the aim assist and mouse smoothing, it's annoying. A PC game is not supposed be a console game (surprise!) but a PC game obviously.
Let us be able to disable these features.

PS: Dukey i hate youhttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Rionu]

Originally posted by GuZZ33:
Using a mouse is easy anyway, even a novice will do good using one, so added aim-assist is not very challenging.
They obviously forgot to code it out of pc version, just shows you how much effort ubi have put into this.


On the other hand, a controller takes more skill imho.
It takes more skill because it's not the right tool for the job. Playing tennis with a pool cue takes more skill too. That's why game developers make the workarounds like aimassist in every shooter on consoles.

[GuZZ33]

Originally posted by Rionu:
They obviously forgot to code it out of pc version.
It's not hard wired into the code, it's part of the games mechanics when you upgrade to the reflex site. Most of the hand guns have at least two M&E before upgrading the reflex and there is no aim-assist, the only downside to this is whith regards to the Five SEVEN for example is, it's the only hand gun that has three M&E before adding/upgrading to the reflex site, if you want the four M&E which earns you points for a four mark and execute takedown, then you'll have to upgrade it, which, in turn, adds aim-assist, but only aim-assists when you zoom in.

Originally posted by Rionu:
It takes more skill because it's not the right tool for the job.
Depends who's handling the device.

The PC mouse is easy peasy you don't really have to have any real skill level to start off using one, the gamepad takes more skill to master.

[GuZZ33]

Originally posted by darkzero7:
definitely aim assists when you click to zoom. it will auto jump to their head.
That is true but only when you upgrade to the reflex site.

If anyone does not one aim-assist, don't upgrade to the reflex site, simple as.

[Janno.BuzzBazz]

Originally posted by GuZZ33:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Rionu:
They obviously forgot to code it out of pc version.
It's not hard wired into the code, it's part of the games mechanics when you upgrade to the reflex site. Most of the hand guns have at least two M%E before upgrading the reflex and the only downside to this is the Five SEVEN is the only hand gun that has three M&E before adding/upgrading to the reflex site, which in turn adds aim-assist, but only aim-assists when you zoom in.

Originally posted by Rionu:
It takes more skill because it's not the right tool for the job.
Depends who's handling the device.

The PC mouse is easy peasy you don't really have to have any real skill level to start off using one, the gamepad takes more skill to master. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I've just noticed the Aim-Assist once or twice, but it's so brief that it doesn't matter to me.
Yeah the controller takes more to master, but you can play the game "faster" with it. I feel it that way, and I usually use the K&M.

[GuZZ33]

Originally posted by Janno.BuzzBazz:
I've just noticed the Aim-Assist once or twice.
Once you add the reflex site aim-assist is there all the time. You can see it for yourself. Add the reflex site then go on any map/level, hide somewhere then point the reticle at an enemys leg then zoom in with click middle mouse and watch the crosshair lock on to the targets head automaticaly.

Originally posted by Janno.BuzzBazz:
the controller takes more to master, but you can play the game "faster" with it.
I like using the gamepad but it doesn't feel faster than using a mouse imho, but it does feel better/smoother with a controller/gamepad. It's dead easy for me personaly to aim and shoot quick with a mouse but i haven't quite mastered the gamepad/controller, i find a gamepad/controller a lot harder to aim and shoot quick in first person shooters, third person is a tad easier.

Good game http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

[Janno.BuzzBazz]

True that.
I have most weapons all upgraded, but again, I haven't noticed to much of the AA, but it might be because I take some time to closekill, mark and be awesome afterwards, so not much sniping with the guns. But in this game, it's not such a big deal sniping anymore, it's more close up and personal, the older games I used to use hours just sniping with the pistol to preserve ammo.

Yes, I meant smoother, just couldn't remember it at the time:P And yes, FPS's are way better to use the mouse, seeing as the aim is better and more accurate, but the gamepad works better with 3PS, though many of those in the later years have had the tendency to add a slight "lag" or "delay" on mouse/camera movement, but it feels natural with the gamepad. It's like the movement was designed for a console. Not saying that I can't play, I get used to it, I even posted a record in SCCT, the bank mission, which I did in under 11 minutes with 100% stealth and expert. Could have done it faster, but some encryptions and door locks where way to random.

Would like to see one where all locks and computers where "open" and the vault had 2 telemetric lockpicks. Might have been fun:P

[GuZZ33]

Originally posted by Janno.BuzzBazz:
in this game, it's not such a big deal sniping anymore, it's more close up and personal.
Yeah i agree, conviction for me personaly is about moving surreptitiously with a touch of M&E ftw http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

[GuZZ33]

And i noticed aim-assist is only on the silenced weapons with the reflex.

[Rionu]

Originally posted by GuZZ33:

Depends who's handling the device.
Same can be said about playing tennis with a pool cue. It still doesn't make much sense to use one. Eventualy you'll get semi-good with it, yet any random dude with a racquet will own you any day of week.


Originally posted by GuZZ33:
The PC mouse is easy peasy you don't really have to have any real skill level to start off using one, the gamepad takes more skill to master.
You should duel me in quake live and see if it's easy peasy for you.
Also there're countless ways to compensate for precisice mouse aiming in games such as splinter cell to make a player less trigger-happy. Severe movement penalties, for example, have been around since first rainbow 6 and counter-strike beta. In rainbow six even moving your crosshair around too fast would inflict penalty. Ubi are just too busy selling half-baked console ports to implement this for pc version.

[IMBAZORZ]

Originally posted by GuZZ33:
And i noticed aim-assist is only on the silenced weapons with the reflex.

My Scar just showed autoaim.