Ha! Belligerent Idiots...I Called This One!

[mmjohnson29]

Ha! I called it.

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/2791043913...671048434#8671048434 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/2791043913/m/8671048434/r/8671048434#8671048434)

Here they come...

"Ubi's got one foot in the grave!"
"After the second level this game was in the trash!"

Why do the people who are so unhappy seem so belligerent?

Are you kids just sitting home in military fatigues, in front of your "rig" waiting for the game to come out? There's no problem with disliking it, but holy ****, calm down I can absolutely GAURANTEE that you will do nothing to affect the sales of this game.

There has been nothing since Operation Flashpoint as good as GRAW, so chalk this one up to a loss in the battle for seeing the glass half empty….

As I’m always here to lend a hand, allow me to teach you how to complain:

Intelligent: “It really sucks that there is no DM option in the retail release of this game.â€Â�
Stupid: “I’m starting a petition to sue Ubi for not delivering a finished product!â€Â�

Intelligent: “Damn, the AI uses machine guns like sniper rifles, what’s up with that?â€Â�
Stupid: “Oh my god! I just killed my dog because AI in this game is so ****ing bad!!â€Â�

Intelligent: “Some of the new features seem a bit more consolized that they should be!â€Â�
Stupid: “God I hope Ubi like taking it in the tailpipe from EA! I’m telling my mom to write a letter to the Consumer Protection Agency to put those white devils on notice!â€Â�

Glad to help.

[maddad68]

1 . I never understand your post's .
2 . do you have the Full version ?
3 . what exactly are you saying here ?

[IcheBAN]

Are you kids just sitting home in military fatigues, in front of your "rig" waiting for the game to come out? There's no problem with disliking it, but holy ****, calm down I can absolutely GAURANTEE that you will do nothing to affect the sales of this game.

Thats false alot of people will not be getting this game because of the lack of server support as well as not using PB as an anti-cheat.

[SODsniper]

Originally posted by IcheBAN:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Are you kids just sitting home in military fatigues, in front of your "rig" waiting for the game to come out? There's no problem with disliking it, but holy ****, calm down I can absolutely GAURANTEE that you will do nothing to affect the sales of this game.

Thats false alot of people will not be getting this game because of the lack of server support as well as not using PB as an anti-cheat. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


You hardware-challenged UBI Hater!!!!!!


http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif

[mmjohnson29]

Originally posted by maddad68:
1 . I never understand your post's .
2 . do you have the Full version ?
3 . what exactly are you saying here ?

...yikes.

1. I can dumb it down in the future.

2. No, that's why I said demo/game. Which is really immaterial because if the demo is a fair insight into the game, I’ll be first in line on Wednesday morning.

3. I would have said years a go that all the belligerent game-hate posts were made by "kids" but with the average gamer pegged now at about 30 years old, I'm concerned that these are actually being made by simple-minded adults and I'm just frustrated by all of the sensational claims we are exposed to every day from here to the daily news. The concern is that someone may actually be turned off of the game by some guy who can't spell ranting incessantly...

[JG27_Arklight]

I can absolutely GAURANTEE that you will do nothing to affect the sales of this game.


That's almost comical. I know of quite a few people who actually read about gaming products on forums, gaming websites, etc. before they make a purchase.

Lack of MP support.
Lack of settings options.
Lackluster graphics.
Lack of FSAA.

There are quite a few games I have dicided not to purchase based on the observations of others. If their views and opinions concerning various aspects of a game align with mine, then I have no reason to make a purchase.

Person A visits forum B. Person A reads about the various issues and downsides pertaining to game. Person does not buy game.

Glad to point out the obvious.

[SODsniper]

I can absolutely GAURANTEE that you will do nothing to affect the sales of this game.


I would have to say that THIS:

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/2791043913...34/showpollresults/Y (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/2791043913/m/9611031834/showpollresults/Y)

shows you might be wrong...

[mmjohnson29]

There are absolutely people who go to forums to gauge how good the game is before making their decisions.

The problem is, and I'll say it again:

These forums are like a Democrat-funded poll, run in San Francisco and focused on President Bush.


Skewed.

I mean my god, go to the Oblivion forums for a minute. You'd not get the idea that about 2 million people bought this game, because all of us having fun with it are actually playing and not spending our days in the forums..

200 people's negative opinions on a forum does not give a clear picture of the actual consumer landscape. If less than 50% of all PC games are ever actually taken online (PC Gamer article) then most of what people are complaining about matters very little.

[IcheBAN]

3. I would have said years a go that all the belligerent game-hate posts were made by "kids" but with the average gamer pegged now at about 30 years old, I'm concerned that these are actually being made by simple-minded adults and I'm just frustrated by all of the sensational claims we are exposed to every day from here to the daily news. The concern is that someone may actually be turned off of the game by some guy who can't spell ranting incessantly...

We could say the same thing for you who could be a beligerant fan who will buy into any crappy game thats released http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

The simple minded ones are the people who will take what ever is thrown at them... The standard for games these days has rasied considerably and UBI really needs to step there game up.

[SODsniper]

Originally posted by mmjohnson29:
There are absolutely people who go to forums to gauge how good the game is before making their decisions.

The problem is, and I'll say it again:

These forums are like a Democrat-funded poll, run in San Francisco and focused on President Bush.

Skewed.

I mean my god, go to the Oblivion forums for a minute. You'd not get the idea that about 2 million people bought this game, because all of us having fun with it are actually playing and not spending our days in the forums..

How are these forums "skewed"??

I mean, I see all different kinds of opinions put forth in all different kinds of ways. I see no evidence of "skewing"...

Perhaps your are meaning it in a context different than I am understanding..

[JG27_Arklight]

Originally posted by mmjohnson29:
There are absolutely people who go to forums to gauge how good the game is before making their decisions.

The problem is, and I'll say it again:

These forums are like a Democrat-funded poll, run in San Francisco and focused on President Bush.

Skewed.

I mean my god, go to the Oblivion forums for a minute. You'd not get the idea that about 2 million people bought this game, because all of us having fun with it are actually playing and not spending our days in the forums..

How are the forums skewed?

You have people here defending the product, as well as others who are speaking out (albeit in a rather immature way at times, but this is evident on both sides).

There is always 2 sides of a story.

[mmjohnson29]

Originally posted by SODsniper:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mmjohnson29:
There are absolutely people who go to forums to gauge how good the game is before making their decisions.

The problem is, and I'll say it again:

These forums are like a Democrat-funded poll, run in San Francisco and focused on President Bush.

Skewed.

I mean my god, go to the Oblivion forums for a minute. You'd not get the idea that about 2 million people bought this game, because all of us having fun with it are actually playing and not spending our days in the forums..

How are these forums "skewed"??

I mean, I see all different kinds of opinions put forth in all different kinds of ways. I see no evidence of "skewing"...

Perhaps your are meaning it in a context different than I am understanding.. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Having worked at a large consumer electronics retailer in my day, half of the store was into PC games. Despite that, I knew only one other person who would even consider posting on a forum.

We PC gamers are a finicky bunch, and should be. But I think I'm right in saying that those of us here, this afternoon are some of the most committed and thus critical, while the majority of people, sitting at home with $50 to blow on a good "shooter" could care less about what we think.

It's unlikely any major publication will give this game anything lower than an 85%, and likely the average will be much higher. What I'm getting at is that "we" represent a sliver of the base of consumers that will be interested (and will buy) this game.

[phantom110565]

Originally posted by mmjohnson29:
Ha! I called it.

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/2791043913...671048434#8671048434 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/2791043913/m/8671048434/r/8671048434#8671048434)

Here they come...

"Ubi's got one foot in the grave!"
"After the second level this game was in the trash!"

Why do the people who are so unhappy seem so belligerent?

Are you kids just sitting home in military fatigues, in front of your "rig" waiting for the game to come out? There's no problem with disliking it, but holy ****, calm down I can absolutely GAURANTEE that you will do nothing to affect the sales of this game.

There has been nothing since Operation Flashpoint as good as GRAW, so chalk this one up to a loss in the battle for seeing the glass half empty….

As I’m always here to lend a hand, allow me to teach you how to complain:

Intelligent: “It really sucks that there is no DM option in the retail release of this game.â€Â�
Stupid: “I’m starting a petition to sue Ubi for not delivering a finished product!â€Â�

Intelligent: “Damn, the AI uses machine guns like sniper rifles, what’s up with that?â€Â�
Stupid: “Oh my god! I just killed my dog because AI in this game is so ****ing bad!!â€Â�

Intelligent: “Some of the new features seem a bit more consolized that they should be!â€Â�
Stupid: “God I hope Ubi like taking it in the tailpipe from EA! I’m telling my mom to write a letter to the Consumer Protection Agency to put those white devils on notice!â€Â�

Glad to help.

I never understand your posts either. I dare say you are in danger of becoming what you are preaching against.

[SODsniper]

Originally posted by mmjohnson29:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SODsniper:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mmjohnson29:
There are absolutely people who go to forums to gauge how good the game is before making their decisions.

The problem is, and I'll say it again:

These forums are like a Democrat-funded poll, run in San Francisco and focused on President Bush.

Skewed.

I mean my god, go to the Oblivion forums for a minute. You'd not get the idea that about 2 million people bought this game, because all of us having fun with it are actually playing and not spending our days in the forums..

How are these forums "skewed"??

I mean, I see all different kinds of opinions put forth in all different kinds of ways. I see no evidence of "skewing"...

Perhaps your are meaning it in a context different than I am understanding.. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Having worked at a large consumer electronics retailer in my day, half of the store was into PC games. Despite that, I knew only one other person who would even consider posting on a forum.

We PC gamers are a finicky bunch, and should be. But I think I'm right in saying that those of us here, this afternoon are some of the most committed and thus critical, while the majority of people, sitting at home with $50 to blow on a good "shooter" could care less about what we think.

It's unlikely any major publication will give this game anything lower than an 85%, and likely the average will be much higher. What I'm getting at is that "we" represent a sliver of the base of consumers that will be interested (and will buy) this game. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Ahhhh OK I understand a little better now.. I think...

<SODsniper furtively looks to and fro to make sure Geiger is not around..>

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif ^^^ inside joke ^^^

So, if I understand you correctly, what you are saying is not so much that what people say in these forums is skewed, but rather that what is posted in these forums is useless as far as affected what average Joe Q Public will do..

Does that about sum it up???

[Defuser]

What we're talking about here is emotional investment in a title that hasn't conformed to the admittedly high expectations of a group of very loud-mouthed and self-important gamers. There are, at most, no more than ten or so posters on these forums who are doing their damndest to kick up the biggest stink they can muster while still maintaining a facade of impartiality. Some of these people prioritise certain game elements over others, some of these people are having trouble running the game on their hardware. Both are legitimate concerns, however the manner in which they are being explicated and the incessant regularity with which they are posted is highlighting the lack of external stimulus these people so sorely crave. I have sat and watched a very definite and select group of people whine and moan, without pause for breath, for the best part of a fortnight now, beating a dead horse to such an extent that it doesn't even resemble a horse anymore - the original issues over which such complaints were made have now been lost to some sort of grudge or vendetta to turn people who post positively concerning this game, or those who derive SOME enjoyment from it, away. It is this cabal, this coven of feebleminded, jumped-up, high on their own percieved sense of power idiots that feel no shame in the repeated and relentless highlighting of their own stupidity and lack of emotional clarity. Do yourselves a favour and go out and get some fresh air, walk around, enjoy the sun for a little while, and get some rationality and emotional stability back into your woefully closeted existences.

[lindy01]

Let me say a thing or two….because I canhttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I am no Democrat by far….and last year I left the tarnished state of CA to move to the great state of MO….a true hunting paradise.

This is the second post I have seen of yours condemning people for complaining. I agree that most game forums are full of complainers but you should understand that the logic is very simple.

If I don’t have a problem….then I am busy playing my new demo or full release of the game.

If I have a problem….then I try to fix it by going to the forums for answers. I look for posts about my problem. I find fixes sometimes and answers about limitations other times.

I see the less than tactful responses but I just ignore them. I see plenty of posts about problems that are clearly hardware/system specific to the true technician and NOT related to the game and again I ignore them.

I also find out some solid information about things like NO DEDICATED server. NO WAY to turn of HDR or turn on High Textures with out modifying a .xml file. These two things alone should tell everyone this was a port, Grin got the 360 code and modified it to run on a PC.

After all of my tweaking, turn off HDR, uninstall the AGEIS driver, turn up textures to high and caching to high I got this game running very smooth on my 3.2ghz P4, 7800GT, 2gigs of RAM, Audigy 2 rig, at 1280x1024. As smooth as BF2 or HL2 runs on my rig…..no way….but good enough. Nor does it look as good either of those titles even with everything maxed out.

So a almost as good graphically looking game, that performs not as well with NO dedicated server to Team Deathmatch is not for me. I have a server in a Data Center from my last job in CA sitting on a full DS3. It runs BF2 dedicated server and my friends in CA and MO play on it. It’s a 1U IBM X-Series server running Windows 2003 that I RDP into to change things. It has an onboard video card that will not support this game to run its version of Dedicated Server….and it there is not a download for the dedicated server then I am not FTP’ing the DVD or CD to that box just to run the GRAW dedicated server.

So if they patch it, un-console it more, improve the HDR performance, and create a true dedicated server me and about 20 people I know will buy it. By the time they do that…..if they do…..it will be cheaper.

[PAWG_Wolf]

I am having the same problem!!! I have played the demo and to be honest with you I have not seen the "awful graphics" The graphics my machine produce are incredible. What do most of the people expect that their dinosaur machines are going to run a next generation game at levels of the original ghost recon??

Come on guys what games are released that are bug proof?? All the games I have ever purchased are always patched within the first 3 months.

And all the people that are so fast to be critical of the game, like the original GR the files will be opened up for the modders, and that was the major factor that caused GR to be so great. So be patient grow up and quit you whining and pouting and just give the retail version a chance!!!

[mmjohnson29]

Originally posted by SODsniper:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mmjohnson29:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SODsniper:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mmjohnson29:
There are absolutely people who go to forums to gauge how good the game is before making their decisions.

The problem is, and I'll say it again:

These forums are like a Democrat-funded poll, run in San Francisco and focused on President Bush.

Skewed.

I mean my god, go to the Oblivion forums for a minute. You'd not get the idea that about 2 million people bought this game, because all of us having fun with it are actually playing and not spending our days in the forums..

How are these forums "skewed"??

I mean, I see all different kinds of opinions put forth in all different kinds of ways. I see no evidence of "skewing"...

Perhaps your are meaning it in a context different than I am understanding.. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Having worked at a large consumer electronics retailer in my day, half of the store was into PC games. Despite that, I knew only one other person who would even consider posting on a forum.

We PC gamers are a finicky bunch, and should be. But I think I'm right in saying that those of us here, this afternoon are some of the most committed and thus critical, while the majority of people, sitting at home with $50 to blow on a good "shooter" could care less about what we think.

It's unlikely any major publication will give this game anything lower than an 85%, and likely the average will be much higher. What I'm getting at is that "we" represent a sliver of the base of consumers that will be interested (and will buy) this game. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Ahhhh OK I understand a little better now.. I think...

<SODsniper furtively looks to and fro to make sure Geiger is not around..>

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif ^^^ inside joke ^^^

So, if I understand you correctly, what you are saying is not so much that what people say in these forums is skewed, but rather that what is posted in these forums is useless as far as affected what average Joe Q Public will do..

Does that about sum it up??? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Mostly.

The people who vote heaviest in a primary are those that want change the most. Thus the results usually show the town, state or nation is going to lean away from the current administration in the actual election. The problem with that is that everyone happy with the way things are has mostly stayed home, foolishly perhaps, because they are not as "charged up." Things for them are just fine.

That, is a direct correlation to this forum.

[phil4321]

what happened to the post about ea and ubi?? did they delete it?

[SODsniper]

Originally posted by phil4321:
what happened to the post about ea and ubi?? did they delete it?

Nope...

It's here:

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/2791043913/m/3121021834

[IcheBAN]

The people who vote heaviest in a primary are those that want change the most. Thus the results usually show the town, state or nation is going to lean away from the current administration in the actual election. The problem with that is that everyone happy with the way things are has mostly stayed home, foolishly perhaps, because they are not as "charged up." Things for them are just fine.

That, is a direct correlation to this forum.

Well you could also state that the people who don't voice there opinion and the people that sit back and just play could be the ones with lack of knowledge on the gaming industry and do think everything is hunky dorie with the game.. And the people that do come on these forums obviously take the time to discuss the relavent facts about the game and therefore are able to spot what needs to be changed.

[mmjohnson29]

But...Who the hell care about the gaming industry?! (I do, just making a point.)

If they HAVE FUN playing it, how are they missing something??

5 Million or so people play WoW and love it, while I can't stand it. Those people aren't blind to some grand conspiracy, they just have different tastes!

[lindy01]

WOW met and exceeded all expectations of those that like those type of games.

Can you say the same that were waiting for GRAW on the PC?

[SODsniper]

Originally posted by Defuser:
What we're talking about here is emotional investment in a title that hasn't conformed to the admittedly high expectations of a group of very loud-mouthed and self-important gamers. There are, at most, no more than ten or so posters on these forums who are doing their damndest to kick up the biggest stink they can muster while still maintaining a facade of impartiality. Some of these people prioritise certain game elements over others, some of these people are having trouble running the game on their hardware. Both are legitimate concerns, however the manner in which they are being explicated and the incessant regularity with which they are posted is highlighting the lack of external stimulus these people so sorely crave. I have sat and watched a very definite and select group of people whine and moan, without pause for breath, for the best part of a fortnight now, beating a dead horse to such an extent that it doesn't even resemble a horse anymore - the original issues over which such complaints were made have now been lost to some sort of grudge or vendetta to turn people who post positively concerning this game, or those who derive SOME enjoyment from it, away. It is this cabal, this coven of feebleminded, jumped-up, high on their own percieved sense of power idiots that feel no shame in the repeated and relentless highlighting of their own stupidity and lack of emotional clarity. Do yourselves a favour and go out and get some fresh air, walk around, enjoy the sun for a little while, and get some rationality and emotional stability back into your woefully closeted existences.


WOW! You can garner SO much about a person's life, just from a few days of forum posts!!???

Yer good.... I know people who work with others for months and years and still don't have the insight into their psyche, that you have obviously gleaned from a few days of forum posts..

Do you, like... do this professionally?? Because I think I might want to avail myself of your services!!!

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Seriously, though. It really isn't up to anyone to question anyone else's motives as to why they are here or how much they are here.

I bet you would feel like utter cr@p if one of those people you were castigating as "feebleminded" with a "woeful closeted existence" was actually a multi parapalegic war veteran who has nothing much more than these forums with which to share ideas..

There is an adage, as old as the Internet itself...

Attack the post, not the poster.

No one has the right to question another's presence on here. If you don't have a valid rebuttal to WHAT is being said and must resort to a personal attack on WHO said it, it's probably a good idea not to post anything.

Just a thought. Your mileage may vary.

[maddad68]

Listen mmjohnson , I have no problem with this game other than the things that have been pointed out by myself and other's .

Thing's that are VERY missing from this game .

All the missing thing's are what is needed to make a good game , People here have a right to make his/ her opinion's herd .

I would like to see all of the thing's pointed out that are missing put in to the game , Then i will buy it , I don't give a rat's tiny azz wether ubi make money or not , Im a gamer and a fan of Ghost recon ... I just want to play a fps with my buddys online and be able to do it without having to run around spendin e money to buy a better gun .

I would allso like to get a few more FPS ... but thats not a major issue for me , I would like to get rid of the jaggies ... but hey i can live with them as long as the gameplay ROCK's .

I hope i have made myself clear here on my standpoint in the development of this game .

[ZA_Corax]

Originally posted by mmjohnson29:
Ha! I called it.

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/2791043913...671048434#8671048434 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/2791043913/m/8671048434/r/8671048434#8671048434)

Here they come...

"Ubi's got one foot in the grave!"
"After the second level this game was in the trash!"

Why do the people who are so unhappy seem so belligerent?

Are you kids just sitting home in military fatigues, in front of your "rig" waiting for the game to come out? There's no problem with disliking it, but holy ****, calm down I can absolutely GAURANTEE that you will do nothing to affect the sales of this game.

There has been nothing since Operation Flashpoint as good as GRAW, so chalk this one up to a loss in the battle for seeing the glass half empty….

As I’m always here to lend a hand, allow me to teach you how to complain:

Intelligent: “It really sucks that there is no DM option in the retail release of this game.â€Â�
Stupid: “I’m starting a petition to sue Ubi for not delivering a finished product!â€Â�

Intelligent: “Damn, the AI uses machine guns like sniper rifles, what’s up with that?â€Â�
Stupid: “Oh my god! I just killed my dog because AI in this game is so ****ing bad!!â€Â�

Intelligent: “Some of the new features seem a bit more consolized that they should be!â€Â�
Stupid: “God I hope Ubi like taking it in the tailpipe from EA! I’m telling my mom to write a letter to the Consumer Protection Agency to put those white devils on notice!â€Â�

Glad to help. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

[mmjohnson29]

Originally posted by lindy01:
WOW met and exceeded all expectations of those that like those type of games.

Can you say the same that were waiting for GRAW on the PC?

That's funny, because I really enjoy those games (MMOs in general, Oblivion), and it was NOT what I was hoping for. Swinging my sword against the steel armor of a robot with gattline guns (Gnomergan)just didn't do it for me...

Aside from me, if you went on those forums from day one, you would have thought the game was a waste of time, when clearly it is not. More proof that devising an opinion based on forums posters is pretty foolish in many cases.

[lindy01]

Ok let me make a prediction....sales of GRAW on the PC will not even come close to BF2 or WOW....unless they add a dedicated server, Team Deathmatch, and punkbuster.

[phil4321]

Originally posted by lindy01:
Ok let me make a prediction....sales of GRAW on the PC will not even come close to BF2 or WOW....unless they add a dedicated server, Team Deathmatch, and punkbuster.

and AA!

[IcheBAN]

AA does not count its a free game http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif