Why are the mainstream PC press silent about SH3?

[Beeryus]

It's incredible to me that this game is going to be a landmark simulation, yet the game magazines are completely ignoring it. I mean, are they missing the boat (no pun intended), or what?

Sure, simulations have been mediocre to say the least during the past few years, but are these guys living in a cave or something? I realise that the sim reporters have been relegated to half a page near the end of the magazines, but surely that should mean they should work all the harder. It seems like for the top gaming magazines, simulation is a dirty word.

It really pisses me off that every gaming magazine seems to be wholly devoted to FPS titles, while ignoring every other gaming genre. Why don't they just retitle their mags 'FPS World' or 'Shooter Gamer'?

There is more to gaming than FPS. I just wish game magazines would occasionally throw a bone to those of us who just can't get excited about arcade-style FPS games.

Your thoughts?

[Beeryus]

It's incredible to me that this game is going to be a landmark simulation, yet the game magazines are completely ignoring it. I mean, are they missing the boat (no pun intended), or what?

Sure, simulations have been mediocre to say the least during the past few years, but are these guys living in a cave or something? I realise that the sim reporters have been relegated to half a page near the end of the magazines, but surely that should mean they should work all the harder. It seems like for the top gaming magazines, simulation is a dirty word.

It really pisses me off that every gaming magazine seems to be wholly devoted to FPS titles, while ignoring every other gaming genre. Why don't they just retitle their mags 'FPS World' or 'Shooter Gamer'?

There is more to gaming than FPS. I just wish game magazines would occasionally throw a bone to those of us who just can't get excited about arcade-style FPS games.

Your thoughts?

[blue_76]

yeah, this change started happening when play station 1 and nintendo 64 came about.. before that i use to read numerous articles from pretty much any magazine on simulation and strategy games... now they're just filled with 3d shooters and hack and slash **** that has been dominating the market for the past 10 yrs or so.. its so sad.. i don't want to think about it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif

[Poacher886a]

You answered your own question,i get both PCzone and Gamer each month,and it annoy's me that there is nothing(not even in the monthly releses page)about SH111,you would'nt even know it was coming out!!!!
I only found this site, and thus the game by seeing it in the 2005 line up(about an inch of space).
It annoys me because more air time means more people on board which means more future releses.
There all still 'coming'down after HL2,i bought it and was bored whithin 1 hour,now i just have the odd blast at CS sourse.

Funny enough,i mentioned it as a thread in Pczones own forum's to see if it generared any interest,the reply...........
...Sub sims are wank!,i can't wait for Stalker.

[BobV_07]

Yeah, I have had that same question too. Why aint SH3 getting the tons of advertisement that it should be getting. But, as it has so sadly been mentioned, there just aint to many of us sim lovers out there.
I think it will be very interesting to see how things unfold as time goes on after SH3 is out. Once it gets out there I think it will catch people by surprise. The word will get out and SH3 will be a hit. Hey, it has to be! I aint seen no better game out there and I haven't even played it yet. LOL http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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[Shado2k2]

It is a shame, quite a few of us have sailed up through the ranks from the early silent service through aces of the deep to the silent hunter series so we know what we’re getting but theres a lot of new players out there that might miss out, admittedly various gaming sites have hosted vidoe footage, screenshots and previews which goes some way to help.

Maybe we're biased i dont know, but one thing I do know is that we all want this sim to do well as far as sales and coverage are concerned both for the Dev team, the genre and ourselves in the long run, hopefully it will prove to the companies that the naval sim market is not a dead fish.

When their boat comes in, lets hope their not at the airport http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Nukem_Hicks]

A few thoughts:

I suggest reading PC Gamer. As the title suggests, it's a strictly PC mag, and they do an excellent job. They care more about the reviews than they do advertising space.

I can understand the angst towards console-games and the numerous FPS's out there (I wasn't the only person devastated when I discovered that "Enter the Matrix" had been crippled by consolitis) but dear Lord, don't take it out on HL2. I went from Silent Service II through C:AOD through Silent Hunter, so I'm as much of a subsim fan as anyone, but I LOVED both Half-lifes. They are works of art. Don't take your rage towards consolitis out on Half-life!! (which didn't even come out on the consoles, btw).

[jeroenrepk]

I have the PCGameplay (Belgium magazine) and it will have a:

-preview
-PCGameplay TV

next month (magazine around 5 march availible). The preview is interesting as it is, but it is the PCGameplay TV that I can't wait to see. What this means is that they have played the game, recored this, and that movie is on the DVD http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif. So it isn't THAT silent...but I agree, there is little information on this game.

[Shado2k2]

"Consolitis", man thats great you should get it copyrighted http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Yep HL1 and HL2 are classics and milestones in gaming, hell I even upgraded my machine especially to play the latter only to find out that it got delayed for a year after the hacking incident.

[Poacher886a]

Without wanting to switch the conversation to HL2 bashing,but exactly why? was HL2 a milestone?

Graphics:nope
A.I :nope
Concept :nope
Size :nope
Physics :nope

There nust be something!:nope

[peteuplink]

My theory as to why SH3 hasn't been covered too much in magazines, is because a lot of games reviewers thought SH2 wasn't all that good, (I for one thought it was too linear with it's non dynamic campaign) and I remember seeing some articles in PC Gamer where they were getting pretty excited about it.

However, the game showed up and they weren't all that impressed with it as I recall.

So, maybe instead of getting everyones hopes up by hyping it and saying it's gonna be really good. They're keeping it quiet and hoping it'll suprise everyone

[Nieldo]

Poacher: "Without wanting to switch the conversation to HL2 bashing"

then why did u post :P

I think HL2 was a milestone in Graphics and Physics, and to your other post, Stalker is gonna be great :P

[jeroenrepk]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by peteuplink:
My theory as to why SH3 hasn't been covered too much in magazines, is because a lot of games reviewers thought SH2 wasn't all that good, (I for one thought it was too linear with it's non dynamic campaign) and I remember seeing some articles in PC Gamer where they were getting pretty excited about it.

However, the game showed up and they weren't all that impressed with it as I recall.

So, maybe instead of getting everyones hopes up by hyping it and saying it's gonna be really good. They're keeping it quiet and hoping it'll suprise everyone <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thats a very good possebility, I remember SHII getting some bad reviews too. One of the reasons I never bought it.

[BobV_07]

Well.....I know it was a total accident that I even found out about SH3. I was looking up info. on Enigma: Rising Tide and there it was, an ad about SH3. So, bing the simmer that I am I checked it out. I have made it a habit to go out on the web and look up demos to try out and I never once seen anything about SH3. Hey, tell me. How many gamer web sites have SH3 pasted on there front page? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif Thats a crime in my book!

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[Jose.MaC]

Maybe the creators of shooters are paying more for including their publicity in those magazines. I cannot see why PC magazines should be different in this aspect of music magazines: the more you pay, the more you are promotioned in those publications.

Becuase, except for a bunch of magazines in both genres, all of them are just comercials that you're paying.

[Beeryus]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BobV_07:
...But, as it has so sadly been mentioned, there just aint to many of us sim lovers out there. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

But that didn't used to be the case. Back in the early '90s there was a time when 'THE gaming genre' was the simulation. Back then, it seemed like everyone was playing flight sims, and flight sims were the genre that were pushing the technological envelope. The 3D technology just wasn't there to make FPS games all that great, so it seemed that the extra intellectual aspects that simulations offered played a decisive part their success. Back then, it seemed that the future of computer gaming was bright, and we were headed into a future of smarter, deeper and more involving games that would really challenge the player's mind. Instead, what I'm finding is that games seem to actually be getting dumber: the average game today doesn't challenge the intellect as much as it used to 10 years ago, and in fact FPS games, with their focus on reaction time, aren't very intellectually stimulating at all. But then again, maybe I'm biased.

In my opinion, this FPS gaming thing is a fad. There is just not that much to FPS games that merits them being as big a phenomenon as they are. I mean they demand 'twitch' skills overall, and they require very little strategic or critical thinking. There's just not enough in them to keep me interested. Maybe I'm in a minority in regard to that, but I just don't see what all the fuss is about. I can take or leave Half-Life 2, Splinter Cell, and all the rest of those Doom clones. Having said that, at least games like Ghost Recon (before this latest installment) and Rainbow Six give the player more than a completely mindless shoot-out fest (because they involve squad command and control), but in general I find the genre to be mediocre and repetetive. Yes, FPS games are currently the games that are driving the great graphics engines, and maybe that's what drives all the excitement about these games, but graphics are not everything, and if you have great graphics and a mediocre gameplay experience, in the end you still have a mediocre game, however pretty it looks.

So I guess in the end, that's what it is - graphics are everything to many gamers, and if a game looks great, it really doesn't matter how uninvolving the actual game is. We are a visually-orientated species, so maybe attractiveness will always overwhelm intellectual aspects. I hope that's not true, because it means we're doomed to suffer mediocrity, but it certainly seems to me to be the case.

[Beeryus]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jose.MaC:
Maybe the creators of shooters are paying more for including their publicity in those magazines. I cannot see why PC magazines should be different in this aspect of music magazines <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, industry magazines don't only have a responsibility to their advertisers. Their primary responsibility is to inform the public. Sadly, I think you're right - they are abdicating their primary responsibility in favour of their need to make money. I'm all for them making money, but it shouldn't be their sole driving force. After all, why did they get involved in publishing in the first place - surely not solely for the money. There must have been an interest there that was independent of the urge to generate cash. Unfortunately it seems that the need to be paid often overwhelms the primary reason for doing a job, and they 'gain the world while losing their soul'. In my opinion, when the 'soul' goes out of any endeavour, you should quit and find something else to do. Otherwise you're not contributing to society, and you're not contributing to your own well-being either. I feel too many people are pursuing soul-destroying labours long after all interest has waned. It's depressing, and it sustains and promotes mediocrity.

[Sockeye45]

Didn't wanna start up on new thread on this, but I thought it was interesting to see that SH3 is ranked 4th (fourth) in sales rank at Amazon.ca

[Shinzoy]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Poacher886:
Without wanting to switch the conversation to HL2 bashing,but exactly why? was HL2 a milestone?

Graphics:nope
A.I :nope
Concept :nope
Size :nope
Physics :nope

There nust be something!:nope <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Since you asked here is the info you wanted
http://www.valvesoftware.com/awardslist.htm

and it only spawned the most famous game to ever be played... counter strike

i posted this so you know that alot of people love this game and HL 2, they are works of art, few games ever achieved the success or fame that this tittle has... it should get its propper respect.

[Beeryus]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Shinzoy:
i posted this so you know that alot of people love this game and HL 2, they are works of art, few games ever achieved the success or fame that this tittle has... it should get its propper respect. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

What has that got to do with this thread. We're complaining that such games get FAR TOO MUCH respect. Please take your HL2 sycophancy elsewhere. Those ****ed shooters have virtually killed the sim genre, so I'm sorry but they get no respect from me. They may be the best of their genre, but let's face facts: it's a second rate genre.

[BobV_07]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Beeryus:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Shinzoy:
i posted this so you know that alot of people love this game and HL 2, they are works of art, few games ever achieved the success or fame that this tittle has... it should get its propper respect. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

What has that got to do with this thread. We're complaining that such games get FAR TOO MUCH respect. Please take your HL2 sycophancy elsewhere. Those ****ed shooters have virtually killed the sim genre, so I'm sorry but they get no respect from me. They may be the best of their genre, but let's face facts: it's a second rate genre. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yep, no brains required. Just aim and shoot!

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[banzai_alex]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by blue_76:
yeah, this change started happening when play station 1 and nintendo 64 came about.. before that i use to read numerous articles from pretty much any magazine on simulation and strategy games... now they're just filled with 3d shooters and hack and slash **** that has been dominating the market for the past 10 yrs or so.. its so sad.. i don't want to think about it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I hate all these crappy games that are coming out too. Console is slowly taking over the PC's throne. As im sure u all know im only 12 and many kids in my grade think im some kinda nerd because i know how to go into the folders and move files and such and such, not to mention actually playing on the comp!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif

[archer49d]

The Hack and Slash trend is the gaming equivelant of rap music.

Guy Yelling + Too much bass = millions in sales

-or-

Gun + Computer + Same old graphics (touched up) = millions in sales

Look at HALO, heck it's a fun game to play, but I wouldn't say it's anything special. Then look at POTC, overall it did poor in sales, but if you take it and add the complete MOD Pack for it you have an RPG that rivals many of the new ones.

[Antrodemus]

Cool analogy, archer... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

(...but rap did have a point at one time, and it should've ended there IMO)

Wolfenstein started the shooter genre, and was genre-bustin' at the time, to be followed by a million poor imitations, dependent on improved technology...

Public Enemy were rap, and then a million pretenders did the same thing over and over, but they completely missed the point. PE weren't a ball-grabbin', b!tch hatin' bunch of morons.

A.

[Poacher886a]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Shinzoy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Poacher886:
Without wanting to switch the conversation to HL2 bashing,but exactly why? was HL2 a milestone?

Graphics:nope
A.I :nope
Concept :nope
Size :nope
Physics :nope

There nust be something!:nope <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Since you asked here is the info you wanted
http://www.valvesoftware.com/awardslist.htm

and it only spawned the most famous game to ever be played... counter strike

i posted this so you know that alot of people love this game and HL 2, they are works of art, few games ever achieved the success or fame that this tittle has... it should get its propper respect. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hl2"Best game of the year"

The problem with this award,that was so obviously going to HL2,even BEFORE THE GAME WAS RELEASED.
Is that is is'nt based on the BEST game of the year but the game that you most enjoyed!
To quote a judge from Pczones 'BEST GAME OF THE YEAR' award

"Anyone who does'nt like or think HL2 is the BEST game EVER,is either souless or chirlish and obviously does'nt like games,those who say its to linear or has no story our just Naysayer's and should'nt play games"

Its this kind of comment's that will allway's,put a shooter at the top!and why when reviewed SH3 will only get 80'something percent,no matter how polished it is!!!

I've been playing computer games for 20yrs which gives me some experience on which to comment,i bought a PC because i consider myself to be a hardcore gamer,that is to say,someone who likes to get completely emerced in a game/sim for hour's and takes it seriously,think's about it in my sleep and at work!!
If i wanted to have a click fest blast for a couple of hour's i would have bought a console!
In fact when i do,i pick up Counter strike,which is a good LIGHT HEARTED blast and the only reason i consider i did'nt waste my money buying HL2.

The fact is when it went to the public vote for the BEST game of the year,it should have been ROME without question,this is far more revolutionry than HL2,which is the same as the rest with a few ring's and bells attached.

In 1984 a little game came out called ELITE,those who are old enough should remember,and those that our younger have still probably heard of it,which is testerment to its achevement.
This game was so far removed from anything we had seen before in every respect,it was with out doubt THE MOST REVOLUTIONRY game of all time...remember everyone was playing Jet set willy and hunchback/frogger at that time!!!!
I loved it,but my mate who was'nt into sim/stratergy games did'nt care for it,he perfered his platform games(Jet set willy).

If a vote for the BEST GAME OF THE YEAR had exsisted Jet set willy might have won!!! he would have voted for it!!

[Beeryus]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Poacher886:
To quote a judge from Pczones 'BEST GAME OF THE YEAR' award

"Anyone who does'nt like or think HL2 is the BEST game EVER,is either souless or chirlish and obviously does'nt like games,those who say its to linear or has no story our just Naysayer's and should'nt play games" <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hmmm. Not sure if I trust the opinion of a 'judge' who is incapable of spelling "churlish" or "soulless" and who can't figure out where to put the apostrophe in "doesn't". With spelling like that I'm surprised they accepted him as a judge.

[KiwiVenge]

It is just a matter of money really.
FPS = putting together 20 to 30 hours of graphics intensive gameplay. Put it on the market and watch it sell. Limited replayability means people will cycle through them as fast as they can be made.
Strategic/Sim games have graphics issues as well as the need to simulate a real life thing. Which in a game is a huge pain to get right I would imagine. And lets face it, once we the players get our hands on a sim/strategic game we like, we can play it literally for years to come.
I love FPS, don't get me wrong. All I am saying is I can see how they are a huge money maker over the other genres out there, so quite popular among the game making companies.

[blue_76]

whenever i play fps games, i get bored in the first 10 minutes.. there was a time when i use to play doom when it first came out, but lately it seems to me they're all the same... point and shoot, not much of a strategy involved and after about 10 minutes of visual elements and repetitive action my interest dies off. i don't care how real they make them, its still the same.. only thing they change is the graphics and the type of weapons. I like sims, because they involve more variables.. strategy, higher learning curve, dynamics and they make u feel like u've accomplished something.. i don't get the same feeling from fps.

[finchOU]

I hate the fact that FPS is always a multiplayer first. Most dont even know what a campaign is.

The other thing is that fact that the maps are never random....once you play them 10 times, ever one runs to the snipe zones to pic off noobs or idiots or guys with balls.....

at the end of the day I didnt spend any brain activity to think up any tactics or anything of that sort.

I think the reason we dont have the press is most people dont want to have to plan out an attack hours in advance for the sinking of one/maybe two ships......I love it, it makes the sim worth playing...others just want to sit and blow SH&T up with in the first 10 minutes or they dont get entertainment out of it....that is the fact. I think the best we can hope for is the mass of simmers to love this game for its graphics and randomness....and hopefully sucker a new crop of youngsters to the genre.

[Poacher886a]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Beeryus:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Poacher886:
To quote a judge from Pczones 'BEST GAME OF THE YEAR' award

"Anyone who does'nt like or think HL2 is the BEST game EVER,is either souless or chirlish and obviously does'nt like games,those who say its to linear or has no story our just Naysayer's and should'nt play games" <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hmmm. Not sure if I trust the opinion of a 'judge' who is incapable of spelling "churlish" or "soulless" and who can't figure out where to put the apostrophe in "doesn't". With spelling like that I'm surprised they accepted him as a judge. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well you clearly understood me,so what's the bother.
Is that spelt right.!

[macker33]

At the moment shooters are top of the pops so a mega selling shooter is going to get best game of the year,
Silent hunter 3 should still get best of breed.

I disagree about elite being a particularly good game,i hated computers at the time,a modern elite could be very promising.
Most influential game ever,no way.
Space invaders and street fighter 2 for that title.wolfenstein 3d(sucks)may be in with a shout also.

I agree that a lot of the "experts"giving out the awards are clueless,they always seem to have one eye on the market.

5 MOST INFLUENTIAL GAMES OF ALL TIME

Space invaders
street fighter
wolfenstein 3d
dune 2
final fantasy or elite

[archer49d]

SH3s animated Ocean engine is worth its code in gold (1 bit = 1 oz lets say), I wish I could somehow utilize that for my work purposes becase it is definitley an active graphics breakthrough.

[macker33]

This is actually a quite unfounded romour but i heard they licensed the engine for the sea off the film titanic.

[Poacher886a]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by macker33:
At the moment shooters are top of the pops so a mega selling shooter is going to get best game of the year,
Silent hunter 3 should still get best of breed.

I disagree about elite being a particularly good game,i hated computers at the time,a modern elite could be very promising.
Most influential game ever,no way.
Space invaders and street fighter 2 for that title.wolfenstein 3d(sucks)may be in with a shout also.

I agree that a lot of the "experts"giving out the awards are clueless,they always seem to have one eye on the market.

5 MOST INFLUENTIAL GAMES OF ALL TIME

Space invaders
street fighter
wolfenstein 3d
dune 2
final fantasy or elite <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I did'nt say influential,i said Revolutionry,when everyone was playing space invader's out came the first 3D game ever,open ended and with still to date, the biggest ever universe in a game!

[HansVonLuck21]

Yes it's sad. I never would have known about SH3 unless I read about it in another game forum..

Lets pass the word about this great game gents!

[KC23]

I must say I'm reading this thread with great interest and with some relief.

Relief to know that there are still many who can appreciate software simulations as an art form as well as entertainment.

I liken it to comparing movies like "Shawshank Redemption" to "Die Hard 2". While most of the movie dollars will go to Die Hard 2, years later the one that is remembered and will be remembered for a very long time is Shawshank.

Very few new game are the type that get remembered. Silent Hunter I was a classic in my book. Falcon 3 and Chuck Yeagers Air Combat. European Air War and Rowans Battle of Britain.

I think the new title "Dangerous Waters" is destined to be a classic.

I think Silent Hunter III has that chance. It looks to have a chance at putting together all the right ingrediance.

Deep and engrossing dynamic campaign wraped up in a graphical package usually reserved for the latest "shoot em up" rip off.

A role playing aspect.

A career building campaign of several different layers.

We won't know if it will break into the classic category until will see about the AI and any bugs that may creep in and destroy any immersion that the artists and sound guys have so painful instilled.

This game truely has a slight chance to be a mega hit IMHO. The first sub sim in history to ever do it. We've seen flight sims do it, we've seen role playing games do it and we've seen first person shooters do it ... but this may be the first true simulation to really capture the imagination of a large part of the public.

I hope ubisoft's marketing is up to the task of getting people to try it. I think once they do we may have a much large demand for simulations than we presently do.

[Beeryus]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Poacher886:
Well you clearly understood me,so what's the bother.
Is that spelt right.! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sorry. I thought the guy who wrote the quote was spelling poorly, but I guess you re-wrote the quote, inserting your own spellinghttp://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif. Oops. My mistake. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

I don't usually expect that forum members have great spelling, but I do demand that people judging games and being published can spell. I just confused your spelling for the judge's.

[macker33]

Just so nobody believes it i made up the rumour about the dev team licencing the engine from titanic.

Its a pity sims dont really port(&lt;--pun)over to consoles because that would be double the money and double the hype for the game.
I reckon the games engine is going to get a very long run,

[KRJ1971]

yeah I remember when sims were where it was at for PC gaming, anything else was a kiddie game.
Sadly whenever I mention sims to someone they start going off about "the Sims"??
as for FPS, Farcry was the first one I bought since the original Doom and I was bored with it in a matter of a few hours, I uninstalled it when all that monster **** started showing up, meh same as Doom.

[macker33]

What makes me do my nut in FPS games is when you have to keep teammates alive to complete the mission,it doesnt help if they are as thick as the wall.
If you dont like monsters try something like Medal of honour,the unreal tournament games are a good bang too.

Maybe Uboats might become the next big thing,sim uboat base,sub pen tychoon.Leasure suit uboat captain,who knows?

[Poacher886a]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Beeryus:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Poacher886:
Well you clearly understood me,so what's the bother.
Is that spelt right.! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sorry. I thought the guy who wrote the quote was spelling poorly, but I guess you re-wrote the quote, inserting your own spellinghttp://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif. Oops. My mistake. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

I don't usually expect that forum members have great spelling, but I do demand that people judging games and being published can spell. I just confused your spelling for the judge's. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL no prob's mate..classic PC mistake!!
My spelling's not great at the best of times,but is magnified even more when happily typeing away!!

[Antrodemus]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>What makes me do my nut in FPS games is when you have to keep teammates alive to complete the mission,it doesnt help if they are as thick as the wall. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Couldn't agree more...

The current rash of squad-based shooters is really annoying me, as they all seem to be catering for the CS-nuts. I get really pee'd off at these games when, as you say, you have to keep Johnny-Bonehead alive, but the fool keeps running in front of you when you're emptying a mag into the enemy. Also, you never get the kind of freedom afforded by single-person shooters, as you always get hustled from place to place, and nagged-at if you go off exploring.

A.

[Beeryus]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by macker33:
What makes me do my nut in FPS games is when you have to keep teammates alive to complete the mission,it doesnt help if they are as thick as the wall.
If you dont like monsters try something like Medal of honour... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, the problem from my perspective with all those WW2 FPS games is that they are just as unrealistic as the Doom clones. I mean, what real WW2 soldier was ever called upon to drive a tank or fly a fighter plane? A lot of those FPS games seem ultra-realistic, but half-way through the game, just as you're getting really immersed in the game, they require that you climb in a tank, handle an 88mm field gun, drive a landing craft, or pilot a Spitfire. It destroys any feeling of realism for me, because infantry soldiers simply weren't trained as pilots, gunners, tank commanders/loaders/gunners or boat drivers (not to mention the fact that crew weapons need a crew - i.e. more than one man - to operate properly). In my opinion it's stupid for a game that appears to be fully realistic to go and spoil it all by forcing the player's in-game character to do something so totally improbable. Up until that point, I'm having a great time, and then suddenly I just keep thinking "This is stupid, I shouldn't be doing this". Result: total loss of immersion, and in future I avoid similar games like the plague.

[mannionmax]

Yeah, games these days are focused on the masses, and everyone knows that in the UK the millions of chavs love brain-rotting shooting games or some stupid Need for Speed Underground game that they aspire to. The days of strategy and simulation games are numbered in my opinion. So everyone buy this game and don't download it!!! Or there will be no SS4 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif

[Beeryus]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by mannionmax:
...millions of chavs love brain-rotting shooting games or some stupid Need for Speed Underground game that they aspire to. The days of strategy and simulation games are numbered in my opinion... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Firstly, what's a 'chav'? "Take a note of it Darling, I like it, and I want to use it in conversation".

Secondly, I have to disagree about the imminent demise of strategy and sim gaming. Seems every ten years some gaming genre is consigned prematurely to the grave, only for it to come back fighting with a new groundbreaking game turning the tables (to mix three metaphors simultaneously, hehe). In my opinion, the game genre in most danger is the one that appears to be strongest: the FPS, the reason being that FPSs have gone about as far as they can go. They rely overwhelmingly on graphics to 'wow' the player; they lack in terms of gameplay; and once people catch on to the fact that they're just pretty graphics with little depth or longevity, the FPS genre 'bubble' will burst and the playing field will be level once again. Mark my words, the FPS genre has only one way to go, and it's down.

[Messervy]

Beeryus wrote:
"Mark my words, the FPS genre has only one way to go, and it's down."

If you judge it by the Doom then yes!
Let`s think of Stalker and wait for it to show its virtues. We just might be in for a new level of FPS.

[HKLE]

Well. To add a bit to the discussion ...

I stopped reading those magazines frequently because I felt exluded - everybody seems to be playing FPS - and nothing else.

Maybe because the magazine people themselves have no time anymore to immerse in games, which require more skills than a standard FPS - or more than 5 minutes of figuring out, how the game runs ???

There used to be a "sim" chapter in each of these magazines some years ago. Now there are "FPS", adventures, sports ... and thats it. if its not fitting, its not existing. Point.

A typical example is one (german based) magazine still listing IL2 as standard flight sim in its overview page !!!!

You need to go to forums like this to find your community. The games market does not reflect it.

[mannionmax]

A "chav" is an english term meaning "Council Housed and Violent". It is a person of usually working class background and usually wears tracksuits for everyday activities. As for special days chavs like to fashion their freshly shoplifted burberry clothes.

[Beeryus]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by mannionmax:
A "chav" is an english term meaning "Council Housed and Violent". It is a person of usually working class background and usually wears tracksuits for everyday activities. As for special days chavs like to fashion their freshly shoplifted burberry clothes. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hmm. I'm English, but I've never heard it before. Maybe I've been an expat too long.

So I guess the US version of an English 'CHAV' would be a 'THAV' - trailer housed and violent.

[Schleichfart]

I agree to all of you, I am playing pc-games for more than ten years, and apart from graphics my overall feeling is that it has just degraded pityfully. No new concepts, no love for detail, no courage to try new things, no courage to put a lot of work in one game than just throw out a couple of them hastily.

It's not about genres though. FPS could be great, I think Call of Duty gave us a glimpse of what they could be like - although in the end it came down to the same old "I kill 50000 people all alone plus 50 tanks and then I win the war", it showed that it would be possible to simulate the tension of gun-combat.

The real problem is the lack of imagination. I think what we love about sims is that they give us the opportunity to live through things which we would never be able to experience otherwise. To master machines and concepts, to learn new things. It's the same when, before we owned a computer, read books about planes and ships and had all the games in our phantasy.

A game developer would tell you: "Well its all about what the masses want!" But then I would ask: "How could the masses want anything else than the newest shiny FPS? Thats all they ever knew! You need to show them other things and educate them!"

I think indeed SH3 has the potential to show the younger gaming crowd the real joy of simulations, the fun of sometimes watching at the screen and imagining you are in a sub, when actually all that happens is - nothing.

[TinPins]

Great thread....

I always preferred the Ultimate games back in the day when I were a lad. Knightlore. Now that was a revolutionary game, was always crap at it though and christ, I'm revealing my age range http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Slim pickings indeed for the sim crowd these days. FPS's are all very nice I suppose, but too much of a good thing is a great recipe for the computer game equivalent of porridge. As has already been stated, how many times can you shoot the Alien/CardboardCutoutNazi/Terrorist/Demon/Monster/CardboardCutoutNaziMonsterDemonTerroristfromouters pace, before getting really, really and I do mean really, bored?

Half Life 2 at least kept my interest till the end I suppose, but didn't change my life any, or make me feel like I'd just played through a computer game revolution. Just a highly polished and quite entertaining FPS, nothing more, nothing less.

Doom3? Pffff! Seriously, Pffff! If I'd wanted something that looked good but had all the soul and fun like qualities of a dead biscuit, then I'd have saved myself 30 quid and gotten in touch with my ex-girlfriend. Pffff!

In fact the only FPS's that I've really enjoyed lately have been those that have tried something a little different with the format. 'Rid**** Escape from Butcher Bay' was surprisingly good in this regard and quite the little hidden treasure. Bit heavy on the resources though. I also enjoyed playing Tron 2.0 last year (Or was that the year before?). Oh and the Jedi Knight games were a blast for a wee while there also (Could never resist lighting up the ole blue lolly and dealing out some serious amputations). That's all that's really stuck out of the crowd for me lately as far as FPS's go. Played lots more of course, and forgot most of em in less time than they took to play.

Ah well. S'long as people buy em, they'll make em.

Sports games don't ring my bell in real life or on the puter.

Been playing an old game called ARX Fatalis quite a lot recently though. Always was a sucker for the Ultima Underwurlde clones. RPG's are a bit thin on the ground lately also. Could'nt get along with morrowind for some reason.

I like Survival Horror and so Silent hill's 2,3 and 4 are currently on my rig.

Space sim's are also thin on the ground. When the hell is Elite 4 gonna see the light of day dammit?

Until recently I played the various incarnations of IL2. But then it's thin on the ground for flight sims also, and so there's not much else TO play other than IL2.

Don't do platformers.

Blimey I'm rambling! So I like FPS's but there are too many and it's all getting a bit samey which is nowadays leaving me bored. Sports games bore me. Platformers bore me. I like RPG's but there aint hardly any around which leaves me bored or playing old uns. Got some Survival Horror adventure games to play, but that aint gonna take long and it's bored time again after they are done. Puzzlers bore me. I like combat flight sims but am bored of IL2, and since that's pretty much it for recent flight sims then guess what? Yep, bored.

Sub sims. Well sub sims are as rare as a politicians conscience and so you pretty much know that if they don't get this one right, then you are in for one hell of a long wait till the next one. I have high hopes for SH3. I'm trying not to hype it up too much for myself, as in the past this sort of thinking has invariably lead to disappointment (Star wars prequels, Doom3, British Labour Government anyone?), but I can't help it. Reading stuff about this game on this message board and looking at the screen shots and videos has literally got me frothing at the mouth for this game.

Hope in 2 weeks time I can stop being bored with computer games.

We shall see....