R.U.S.E. How to stop these tactics.......

[weedbazooka]

I see people complaining about certain tactics and how they are hard to stop. This thread is just to bounce some ideas off to counter the most difficult strats.

Russian infantry rush - Since i play with russia, i am very familiar with this tactics. It is very effective being that barracks are $10 and recon comes out of that too! In my opinion, the best way to stop an infantry rush is to go air recon/light bomber in the beginning. That immediately stops the rush because one light bomber can destroy a whole stack of infantry, and you can send the other bombers to destroy their barracks/hq.
Super pershing spam - Everyone has run into the SP/M16/jackson stack of doom. It is probably the most difficult stack to defeat. But i have a strat that i use against the US that works quite often. I always go air base in the beginning against the US for pressure purposes. Upgrade to adv fighter bombers and let the opponent see them in the middle of the map(3 or 4 of them). I then go barracks and begin an infantry rush to take out all aa support towards their hq.( russia at $5 a piece infantry is great) I spam like 20 infantry all over the map in forests and cities to put more pressure on the opponent. Any aa/td my infantry handles it. Always destroy willys with fightbombers/recon. Willys are too quick and cheap for ground units to destroy them(my opinion). By now the opponent has probably misdirected his resources that he would normally use for spamming SP. With infantry/fightbombers controlling the center of the map, i then build 2 or 3 armor bases and roll out the t34's. With the cover of fighterbombers/infantry, that is a hard counter to overcome for the US. Of course if they decide to go air, you have to instead go adv fighters but few US players rarely do. Once you control the skies, the t34's will do the rest.

Please feel free to comment or add your own strats for certain situations.

[AverageSoldier]

So people don't get confused im thinking of 1v1 matches and any tactics i type is using Italy.

you need 2 light bombers to kill enemy infantry not 1. Even then its always best to have 3 to kill more. I think the best thing against an infantry rush is using forests to your advantage and have your own infantry! Infantry slows the enemy down so you can use other units like tanks, and killing their recon is essential aswell. However I play Italy ive got the carro voloce and almost every tank has an awesome MG weapon that isnt a 30. cal.

I also go air because Italy is the best faction for going air + ground, both types of units are cheap as chips and when used extremely well they cause massive losses to the enemy. I like to get truck kills with my falco + fighter start and get decoys which i micro around to look real (once an enemy screamed that i was a plane spamming noob, only had 1 real fighter and 1 recon plane, damn noob) after this you do whatever you need because the recon plane would see what the enemy is up to. USA enemies have a M16 fetish or something.

The best way to kill USA stack is to prevent it, this is hard but if they ever get to that point where they are getting $40 tanks after so much research etc they cannot get much at all. A really good tactic which i have started is to go planes and decoys then go ground and kill AA then go air again (surprise armour attack on depots and units etc for an example), while getting resources and blitzing and harrasing. This sounds easy to beat which it maybe is actually (FUUU noobs being no challenge) I can't completely test its effectiveness however if someone is going SP in 1v1 they suck then and there.

[Brenbed]

I beat two rushers today so here is my advice...

1.) Light tanks are cheap and they literally shred infantry to pieces. Put one of those in the base area to start.

2.) An armored recon can spot them from a distance and provide some extra fire support. Depending on the map you play you might need two of them to watch all directions.

3.)If you have France or Germany, flame throwing bunkers will also help but only buy one because they are expensive. If you have Russia, then it doesn't matter that they don't have any Anti-Infantry bunkers because they get Armed recon from the Barracks. So two of them should be a good amount of fire power to back up the light tank and infantry.

And If your country has a machine gun nest...PLEASE invest in one for only 20 bucks...It will provide that much more support to infantry in the base area.

4.) Have at least 8 or 9 infantry of your own scattered around the base area. Also if they lay ambush points along roads leading to your base they can knock out the engineer truck before it builds a barracks too close to your base. When you see the rush coming you can always pump more out. But you need a few out there with the other support to slow them down, weaken them and kill them off.

Mix those things up and put them all around your base area.

Don't buy more than one of each because your infantry is going to do most of the fighting, while having A LOT of back up and support.

Just make sure you have out plenty of recon so that you can spot them before it's too late.

Also, pay attention to the map! If you see an engineer truck way out in the middle of nowhere, then it probably means he is gearing up for a rush and you need to be ready.

The problem most players have is that they ASSUME that no rush is coming and fail to even build a barracks.They start out with Airstrips, AT bases, a prototype base and everything else. Point is, they have every thing THEY DON'T NEED to defend against a rush.

When I play a fair game...I always start out with a barracks, an armor base and an AA/Arty base. That way, I can prepare for a rush and keep an eye on the sky.

Never ASSUME anything!!!! If you have never played a player before...ASSUME that he will rush you, especially if he picks Russia...

It is better not to assume at all, but, if you must ASSUME something..THEN ASSUME THAT!!

[Brenbed]

And it takes less than a minute to set it up the way I said, with enough money to still purchase two depots..

[Brenbed]

Another point I forgot to add is the RUSES themselves.

Don't spend all of your RUSES up on Blitzing. Save at least one of them. I never use all of mine up just for that reason.

That way if he starts using the fanatical RUSE, you can turn on the Terror RUSE so that they cancel out and put your guys and his guys back on an even playing field.

You would be surprised how many guys I can catch while they have NO RUSES available....lol..which means they can't cancel out the Fanatical RUSE and it makes it that much easier to overrun them...

[Brenbed]

Another thing that can make my rush job Easier or Harder is how close their barracks is to their HQ...The farther away the Barracks is, the harder it is for me to take their HQ before they build another barracks closer to the HQ and start pumping out fresh recruits...Or start smashing my men with nearby tanks...

See, when your barracks is too close to your HQ....we rushers will target that first...knowing that once we take the barracks close to the HQ we can begin spawning more infantry out closer. Remember a good rush goes in stages...First, your barracks, then your HQ.

In fact we always target the barracks first...because it doesn't do much good to take an HQ if new enemy recruits can just come and take it back...lol...So remember, position your barracks away from the HQ...and put most of your security near that. Not all of it...but large amount...You don't need as many near the HQ, because if it falls you can always take it back..

If you have the barracks a good distance from the HQ...but not too far then you will have time to regroup if or when the barracks does fall into enemy hands..

[Brenbed]

NEVER USE heavy tanks to stop a rush. They are too expensive, take too much time to research and have a long production time.

Light tanks only.
They produce fast, are cheap and can move around the base quicker to provide back up. And they really do wipe the floor with Infantry...especially when they have recon at their side....

It is better to stay away from heavy tanks altogether in the beginning if you do not know what to expect.

Stay away from all research until after you have your base security in place.

Once you have everything in place, then you can begin setting up to play whatever game you choose to play...You don't have to play like a rusher in order to beat them...

Just make sure you keep sending out supply truck to snatch depots so you can keep money flowing in. I can be hard if his infantry are destroying the trucks...so you have to push them back a bit in order to give the trucks some breathing room.

Remember...at some point you have to push them back enough to take their barracks so you cut them off from spawning at that location...

They will usually have two of them close by which means you will need to be ready to fight and defend from multiple directions

[Brenbed]

Oh and I forgot to mention..A good rusher splits up their units as they move...so ONE bomber...would only kill one at a time.

It is for that reason...a good rusher would never just have one large stack of 20 units...it would be 20 units coming all spread out with spaces in between...

Planes don't do much to stop a good rush because heavy Infantry need to struck twice before being killed...Planes dip down and do ONE strike and return to base...With Fanaticism..they will just laugh and keep charging...

Planes come in Dribs and Drabs...never being able to apply a serious concentrated pressure, which is what is needed to stop a rush...

Every person I ever rushed and won...had airstrips... and all I lost to...did not...lol..so there has got to be something about the airstrip that doesn't work.


I am not saying you can't never build one...just make sure BASE SECURITY is in place before building other stuff..

[stchris666]

In a way i sort of agree about research and building heavy units ect at the start of a match.But by doing that you are sort of affecting your own stratagy and are already 4 or 5 mins behind.
I mean yaeh you need to sort out defences but when you start and recon is leaving your base (unless you only send one)you should see the rush coming and still have time to prepare to push it back.
I have found that once you can hold up and eventually start pushing back the 1st wave of a rush,aslong as you keep reinforcing the offensive then job done.

[BP_Charlie]

I find the problem is that an infantry rush can be done so cheaply the rusher can proceed with other offensive tasks such as research whilst still applying infantry pressure. He can also secure a lot more depots. So by the time you push him back, he's already far ahead at least financially (although you probably have a healthy points lead from all those +5's http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif).

As Germany, that's hard to come back from.

[weedbazooka]

I use russia always and maybe i didnt specify that. U never create just one bomber, i always have 3 or four bombers in the air. One russian bomber believe me can take out a line of infantry running on roads. Then with your air recon, you spot their bases then attack that. Light tanks are fine but only with recon. And enough infantry in forest/cities can take out both. Thats why i go with aerial recon and bombers. I may have a light tank guarding my bases while the bombers take out their attack, but thats it.
An air base at the start is never a bad idea no matter what strat your opponent takes.

[AverageSoldier]

Originally posted by weedbazooka:
I use russia always and maybe i didnt specify that. U never create just one bomber, i always have 3 or four bombers in the air. One russian bomber believe me can take out a line of infantry running on roads. Then with your air recon, you spot their bases then attack that. Light tanks are fine but only with recon. And enough infantry in forest/cities can take out both. Thats why i go with aerial recon and bombers. I may have a light tank guarding my bases while the bombers take out their attack, but thats it.
An air base at the start is never a bad idea no matter what strat your opponent takes.
The Russian bomber is a heavy bomber and does the most damage ingame, its balanced by moving as fast as a flying snail.

[BP_Charlie]

Originally posted by AverageSoldier:
...its balanced by moving as fast as a flying snail.
I dunno - I think you're being unfair to flying snails there http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd280/InfiniteStates/Animations/10r3ajs.gif

[weedbazooka]

You are very correct, launching the russian bombers(even with blitz) its like watching wet paint dry! But the damage they do is undeniable.

[fattoler]

I got my Top Gun trophy using a Russian Bomber rush against France.

[AverageSoldier]

I got top gun with Italy air vs German air http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Nice flying snail charlie

[DrumR0ll]

what should italy do against a russian infantry spam on a smal map? I keep getting overun.

[AverageSoldier]

Originally posted by DrumR0ll:
what should italy do against a russian infantry spam on a smal map? I keep getting overun.
Italy have the best anti infantry tanks, a great example is the carro voloce, armed with 2 MG 42 guns on each tank, they mow down infantry easier then grass. The only tanks that dont have MG 34 or MG 42 is the M11 carro and P26.

The flak 90 bunker also shoots 600m and it one shots the russian recon which is slow as hell.
The light infantry is more of something to slow them down, but they do any real damage when inside a forest getting surprise attacks, good idea with forests is to retreat your forest units because the enemy infantry do not see them intill they get closer then the range.

The Heavy infantry do better, but still need to be in a forest, however I find infantry quite good against enemy russians as long as their recon is dead.

For a small map like blitz, infantry need to be put into towns etc and italy light artillary does huge damage against enemy infantry, then there is very cheap tanks that can be used greatly to mow down infantry with nice micro.

[DrumR0ll]

true. But the map was so small that I couldn't micro my tanks without giving the eney access to my base.

The map was the really small one where you only get 3 depots each and theres a town on the other side of the river (thats what makesit hard to counteras the enemy infantry build up in there then overrun me.

[BP_Charlie]

Originally posted by AverageSoldier:
Nice flying snail charlie
Hehe thanks. I love that picture, but I can't lay claim to it (unfortunately). However it appears to have been edited out...or I just can't see it...?

[AverageSoldier]

Originally posted by BP_Charlie:
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Nice flying snail charlie
Hehe thanks. I love that picture, but I can't lay claim to it (unfortunately). However it appears to have been edited out...or I just can't see it...? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
The image was unfortunately not shown, however I went to quote got the link and copy and pasted it in to see the picture.

[BP_Charlie]

I've edited the post with a link to my PhotoBucket copy.
The post doesn't make much sense without it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[weedbazooka]

Probably the best way to stop an infantry rush using italy is go recon infantry first, then the light tanks in the barracks for defense. Then build air base, research falco, and buy cheap fighters(no research) when u can. The italian light tanks(from barracks) paired with the recon infantry should stop an initial rush. Then just use the air recon and fighters to finish off infantry hiding in forests and cities. Then carro 11 their depots and buildings.

[Brenbed]

Originally posted by BP_Charlie:
I find the problem is that an infantry rush can be done so cheaply the rusher can proceed with other offensive tasks such as research whilst still applying infantry pressure. He can also secure a lot more depots. So by the time you push him back, he's already far ahead at least financially (although you probably have a healthy points lead from all those +5's http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif).

As Germany, that's hard to come back from.


EXACTLY!!! The key is to box your opponent in so that defense becomes priority one...so they just keep spending money while you attack their depots and suck them dry.

See the problem is..you can't secure depots and fight off infantry...unless you fight fire with fire...and use infantry of your own...

[Brenbed]

Originally posted by weedbazooka:
Probably the best way to stop an infantry rush using italy is go recon infantry first, then the light tanks in the barracks for defense. Then build air base, research falco, and buy cheap fighters(no research) when u can. The italian light tanks(from barracks) paired with the recon infantry should stop an initial rush. Then just use the air recon and fighters to finish off infantry hiding in forests and cities. Then carro 11 their depots and buildings.

PLANES = BAD defense against a rush. Too much time and money spent on something that won't help much. How are you going to retake your depots back??

The rush comes in waves but there will be no rest period...it works by applying constant pressure until the other guy runs out of money...AND CRACKS..lol...planes will struggle just as much as tanks will when it comes time to chase the little infantry guys all over the map while still being able to keep enough forces near your base to protect it...

Once the two forward barracks are built things heat up even more...once a forward AT base is built...GAME OVER...

[Brenbed]

Originally posted by DrumR0ll:
what should italy do against a russian infantry spam on a smal map? I keep getting overun.

Infantry + Light tanks + recon infantry = good rush defense...

See, you have to play their game...fight in a similar fashion...By spreading your units out, you create ambush opportunities and you don't get boxed in....

If you sit back and just wait, you will allow him to control the map and all the depots which means he will have a constant flow of money and keep a constant pressure on your base area until you go flat broke...

To me it is all about winning...YOU CAN'T ALWAYS FIGHT HOW YOU WANT AND WIN...sometimes you have to adapt to the situation..

It's called situational awareness...lol...

[AverageSoldier]

Originally posted by weedbazooka:
Probably the best way to stop an infantry rush using italy is go recon infantry first, then the light tanks in the barracks for defense. Then build air base, research falco, and buy cheap fighters(no research) when u can. The italian light tanks(from barracks) paired with the recon infantry should stop an initial rush. Then just use the air recon and fighters to finish off infantry hiding in forests and cities. Then carro 11 their depots and buildings.
Your on te right track, you need recon infantry, and some M11 carros, it however depends, if its hordes of infantry go Carro voloce, if there is infantry and quite a few recons if you havnt got a flak 90 bunker go M11 carros, the M11 carros is always a great tank to me because it being $10 and can go and destroy a building.

The part about the airfield is a horrible idea, besides the falco being no research it requires 3 fighters to destroy infantry inside cover, I think it could even be 4 fighters for heavy infantry in cover. That would be $55 airfield, $25 recon plane, 3 fighters $60 or 4 fighters which is $80, that is $140-$160 in price so you have the airfield recon and fighters to kill random $5 soldiers in cities or forests, the option is to send your own men in there and take it! You should be quickly taking the cities near the start of the game anyways.

Also men in cover are still easily killed by your own tanks, only thing the tanks need is manual micro when the enemy has blitz.

[Brenbed]

Your on te right track, you need recon infantry, and some M11 carros, it however depends, if its hordes of infantry go Carro voloce, if there is infantry and quite a few recons if you havnt got a flak 90 bunker go M11 carros, the M11 carros is always a great tank to me because it being $10 and can go and destroy a building.

The part about the airfield is a horrible idea, besides the falco being no research it requires 3 fighters to destroy infantry inside cover, I think it could even be 4 fighters for heavy infantry in cover. That would be $55 airfield, $25 recon plane, 3 fighters $60 or 4 fighters which is $80, that is $140-$160 in price so you have the airfield recon and fighters to kill random $5 soldiers in cities or forests, the option is to send your own men in there and take it! You should be quickly taking the cities near the start of the game anyways.

Also men in cover are still easily killed by your own tanks, only thing the tanks need is manual micro when the enemy has blitz.

Exactly!!!

AverageSoldier you sound like a fun opponent to play...LoL...it would definitely not be a 5 minute game if I rushed you..hahaha..I see that we would have to battle it out for a while...

Because you know how fight with a good rusher and get on his level...I like that http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I definitely need to get RUSE on PC http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[AverageSoldier]

Originally posted by Brenbed:
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Your on te right track, you need recon infantry, and some M11 carros, it however depends, if its hordes of infantry go Carro voloce, if there is infantry and quite a few recons if you havnt got a flak 90 bunker go M11 carros, the M11 carros is always a great tank to me because it being $10 and can go and destroy a building.

The part about the airfield is a horrible idea, besides the falco being no research it requires 3 fighters to destroy infantry inside cover, I think it could even be 4 fighters for heavy infantry in cover. That would be $55 airfield, $25 recon plane, 3 fighters $60 or 4 fighters which is $80, that is $140-$160 in price so you have the airfield recon and fighters to kill random $5 soldiers in cities or forests, the option is to send your own men in there and take it! You should be quickly taking the cities near the start of the game anyways.

Also men in cover are still easily killed by your own tanks, only thing the tanks need is manual micro when the enemy has blitz.

Exactly!!!

AverageSoldier you sound like a fun opponent to play...LoL...it would definitely not be a 5 minute game if I rushed you..hahaha..I see that we would have to battle it out for a while...

Because you know how fight with a good rusher and get on his level...I like that http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I definitely need to get RUSE on PC http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
If there is anything I know its how to play Italy and other bits and pieces of RUSE, I have personally stopped playing RUSE for the time being, but I may return to it later on. Most of my tactics and ideas etc havnt gone away though http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

[Brenbed]

Originally posted by AverageSoldier:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Brenbed:
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Your on te right track, you need recon infantry, and some M11 carros, it however depends, if its hordes of infantry go Carro voloce, if there is infantry and quite a few recons if you havnt got a flak 90 bunker go M11 carros, the M11 carros is always a great tank to me because it being $10 and can go and destroy a building.

The part about the airfield is a horrible idea, besides the falco being no research it requires 3 fighters to destroy infantry inside cover, I think it could even be 4 fighters for heavy infantry in cover. That would be $55 airfield, $25 recon plane, 3 fighters $60 or 4 fighters which is $80, that is $140-$160 in price so you have the airfield recon and fighters to kill random $5 soldiers in cities or forests, the option is to send your own men in there and take it! You should be quickly taking the cities near the start of the game anyways.

Also men in cover are still easily killed by your own tanks, only thing the tanks need is manual micro when the enemy has blitz.

Exactly!!!

AverageSoldier you sound like a fun opponent to play...LoL...it would definitely not be a 5 minute game if I rushed you..hahaha..I see that we would have to battle it out for a while...

Because you know how fight with a good rusher and get on his level...I like that http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I definitely need to get RUSE on PC http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
If there is anything I know its how to play Italy and other bits and pieces of RUSE, I have personally stopped playing RUSE for the time being, but I may return to it later on. Most of my tactics and ideas etc havnt gone away though http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh I know you still got what it takes..hahaha...RUSE is like riding a bike..once you got it...you never forget it..lol..

[AverageSoldier]

Originally posted by Brenbed:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AverageSoldier:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Brenbed:
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Your on te right track, you need recon infantry, and some M11 carros, it however depends, if its hordes of infantry go Carro voloce, if there is infantry and quite a few recons if you havnt got a flak 90 bunker go M11 carros, the M11 carros is always a great tank to me because it being $10 and can go and destroy a building.

The part about the airfield is a horrible idea, besides the falco being no research it requires 3 fighters to destroy infantry inside cover, I think it could even be 4 fighters for heavy infantry in cover. That would be $55 airfield, $25 recon plane, 3 fighters $60 or 4 fighters which is $80, that is $140-$160 in price so you have the airfield recon and fighters to kill random $5 soldiers in cities or forests, the option is to send your own men in there and take it! You should be quickly taking the cities near the start of the game anyways.

Also men in cover are still easily killed by your own tanks, only thing the tanks need is manual micro when the enemy has blitz.

Exactly!!!

AverageSoldier you sound like a fun opponent to play...LoL...it would definitely not be a 5 minute game if I rushed you..hahaha..I see that we would have to battle it out for a while...

Because you know how fight with a good rusher and get on his level...I like that http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I definitely need to get RUSE on PC http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
If there is anything I know its how to play Italy and other bits and pieces of RUSE, I have personally stopped playing RUSE for the time being, but I may return to it later on. Most of my tactics and ideas etc havnt gone away though http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh I know you still got what it takes..hahaha...RUSE is like riding a bike..once you got it...you never forget it..lol.. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Once you get the rust off it is a very fast process to get back to your original skill or get higher then it was. I have seen this alot on my video games because I usually stop but come back to it later. I usually save many replays which shows me my tactics and decisions again when I replay the game.

[Brenbed]

Yeah...It would be so nice if we could actually save game replays in RUSE...

But they have something called Blitzcast...and it can record video into your computer from a console...but it is pricey...

It's easier to save videos on the PC...but console is a different story...

But it would be nice...replays help you see what mistakes you made and what you could have done differently...

And if they made it to where we could upload the replays to the Ubisoft site, we would be able to show our tactics, so that we would all have a better idea on what is being said..

I save my replays when I play Endwar...but that community is GONE...meaning NOBODY online...NOBODY http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

But I love RUSE so I don't really miss Endwar http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Brenbed]

Originally posted by weedbazooka:
I use russia always and maybe i didnt specify that. U never create just one bomber, i always have 3 or four bombers in the air. One russian bomber believe me can take out a line of infantry running on roads. Then with your air recon, you spot their bases then attack that. Light tanks are fine but only with recon. And enough infantry in forest/cities can take out both. Thats why i go with aerial recon and bombers. I may have a light tank guarding my bases while the bombers take out their attack, but thats it.
An air base at the start is never a bad idea no matter what strat your opponent takes.

I took the liberty of running a test run...

You say three or four bombers right?? Plus a recon and light tanks to stop a rush, right?

Now I actually took the time to see how long it takes before I have infantry crawling all over you, which is roughly 6 minutes...

It will take you 4 of those 6 minutes to get an aerial recon, 3 bombers, and one light tank....

That would not be nearly enough...remember my friend...check the times on how long it takes you to set up...and then see how much you will have set up in that time frame...and also how long it takes for a rush to set up.

It takes 6 minutes but you will feel pressure within 4 minutes...about the time it will take you to make 3 of those bombers and a recon....and two light tanks at most...and that is only if you secure 2 depots in the beginning...if you secure 3...it will take longerhttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

And three bombers, aerial recon and a few light tanks won't be enough....

Besides if I see planes then I will just throw up an Arty base and pump out 40 bucks worth of AA and go lighter on infantry and heavier on AT guns to deal with those few light tanks...all this while you run out of money...and once I take a depot of yours...money will become really tight...

Airstrips are nice but they cost money...and bombers are slow as molasses....

[Brenbed]

Besides...like I said before, I spread my guys out...I have a special method for making sure that they always maintain some space between them...

Just for that reason. Tanks can also target them easier when they are in clumps or a straight line. So you might take them out with your bombers, but I promise you that they won't take out more than 1 or 2 at a time...and that isn't good numbers considering how many will be running at you and all over the map....and how slow those things move and how long they take to go back and refuel....EASY MEAT!!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[AverageSoldier]

Brenbed, I want you to look at the bottem right of your post, there is 3 icons, one of them is an edit icon, I want you to click the edit post icon everytime you find you want to add something, because you dont need to make 2-3 posts right after eachother

[weedbazooka]

I just smashed a level 77 russian guy trying to rush me!....lol. Too easy! Maybe i dont specifically tell every single detail about what i do, but i did they same thing(hint; a fake base ruse at the beginning slows the rush a little bit!) . He started rushing the infantry, i started laughing. I built my air recon and used deception to see which way he was coming. I then built about 6 light tanks to protect my bases with armed recon. So he decided to stop the rush and hide in the city in front of my bases. I grabbed a couple of depots behind my base that he could not capture then researched my bombers. I built another recon plane to locate his bases. I then bombed his stagnant infantry in the city(1 bomber)and used the other bombers to take out his barracks(he had 2 forward barracks different sides of the maps). He stoppped the rush and began to build aa and arty. By then, i grabbed more depots then suicided my bombers under blitz to destroy his hq and it destroyed his bases around the hq too. All he had was a sec hq and some depots. I then built 7 or 8 t26's and charged his remaining base. Defeated him in 15 minutes. After the game, we talked about how i countered him. That was his first loss in 25 games with the infantry rush. We played again and he didnt try to rush this time, and i just t34'd him to a victory. I have mastered my tactic to defeat a infantry rush. With the italian my record was 111-25. With the russians i'm 54-2. ps 3

[BP_Charlie]

Originally posted by AverageSoldier:
Brenbed, I want you to look at the bottem right of your post, there is 3 icons, one of them is an edit icon, I want you to click the edit post icon everytime you find you want to add something, because you dont need to make 2-3 posts right after eachother
LMAO well said http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Brenbed]

Originally posted by AverageSoldier:
Brenbed, I want you to look at the bottem right of your post, there is 3 icons, one of them is an edit icon, I want you to click the edit post icon everytime you find you want to add something, because you dont need to make 2-3 posts right after eachother

My bad dude...LOL...hahaha...I be posting like 5 post that are only ONE paragraph each...I'll use the edit from now on..




I just smashed a level 77 russian guy trying to rush me!....lol. Too easy! Maybe i dont specifically tell every single detail about what i do, but i did they same thing(hint; a fake base ruse at the beginning slows the rush a little bit!) . He started rushing the infantry, i started laughing. I built my air recon and used deception to see which way he was coming. I then built about 6 light tanks to protect my bases with armed recon. So he decided to stop the rush and hide in the city in front of my bases. I grabbed a couple of depots behind my base that he could not capture then researched my bombers. I built another recon plane to locate his bases. I then bombed his stagnant infantry in the city(1 bomber)and used the other bombers to take out his barracks(he had 2 forward barracks different sides of the maps). He stoppped the rush and began to build aa and arty. By then, i grabbed more depots then suicided my bombers under blitz to destroy his hq and it destroyed his bases around the hq too. All he had was a sec hq and some depots. I then built 7 or 8 t26's and charged his remaining base. Defeated him in 15 minutes. After the game, we talked about how i countered him. That was his first loss in 25 games with the infantry rush. We played again and he didnt try to rush this time, and i just t34'd him to a victory. I have mastered my tactic to defeat a infantry rush. With the italian my record was 111-25. With the russians i'm 54-2. ps 3


Hahahaha...Nice...Yeah those Russian Bombers are DANGEROUS...they are the strongest in the whole game...

It only takes two bombers back to back to Knock out the HQ...

T21s are cheap as hell and will rip infantry units in half...it only takes about three of them in good positions to stop a whole rush by themselves...That's why I try to use AT guns with my infantry...

But With you I would have to worry about my bases being bombed so your tactic does introduce a new element that I don't normally see..lol..But don't worry, I am already trying to figure out a way to get around it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Anyways..Good win...lol..So, you basically proved my point...that a rush can be stopped. You just have to prepare and expect it.

I do rush because it works...but don't get it twisted..lmao..the minute it stops working...is the minute I will find a new tactic...lol

So it kind of goes back to what someone else said..if you stop enough Rushes...then people will stop doing them and find something else...

PathPsychocrazy is my PSN...add me so we can play...You sound like a fun player to play.

What is your PSN??

[Deton_van_Zan]

used germany vs usa to get my top gun.

[P47ace]

I've played 60+ online matches and never once been Inf rush by any faction and only once by German Para's and i shot them down before they reached the ground, but yeah just put out a few Tanketts UK or Italy and you can stop them.
Any Rush rush i can usally stop, but their have been a few.

[woodyleech729]

Italian veloce is a mobile machine gun nest at half the cost, it will rip infantry in half. Light artillery works great against infantry when you have a bunch. I got killed by a heavy russian infantry rush. I was about to build light artillery when a bunch of infantry came storming through and took my base, I wanted to get enough money to build a magino bunker but it was hopeless.

[aaronator118118]

Add me PSN aaronator118118

[Why_You_Eat_Me]

dont spam the forums with your name idiot

[aaronator118118]

sorry http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif