Kingwin Watercooling -- Best $100 I Have Ever Spent !!!

[HelSqnProtos]

S~!

Gentlemen I want to report and recommend to you all on the Kingwin Arctic Watercooling kit which I recently purchased.

It has totally changed my computing experience. I would have to rank it as the #1 best computer purchase I have ever made [surpassing even my beloved 9700pro]. Previously I was running a Thermaltake Volcano 7 solution for my Amd 2500 xp mobile (overclocked to 2.5ghz) Now bear in mind that the Thermaltake is no slouch in the cooling department and is bloody huge. The volcano was temperature controlled to reduce noise, but seeing as I was really pushing the chip it was always running very very loud at a constant 5000rpm. My idle temps were 58-62 Celsius depending on ambient room temperature.

http://www.ocprices.com/kuzals/volc7/vol7.jpg


Then I purchased this kit. I now run at the same clock settings (ran out of multiplier or I would go higher http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif)

THE KIT IS SILENT!!! Idle temp is 39C and full load is 44C --- Those temps are with no case cooling WHATSOEVER http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif Case cooling drops them another 4 degrees C.



http://images10.newegg.com/productimage/35-124-005-11.JPG




This kit could easily take me much higher if my board supported it. It is well made and packaged. Installation was fairly quick. However you have to not be afraid of it. The directions were fairly comprehensive and easy to follow. I had it up and running in 45 mins. I could do it a second time in under 15.

To use a British phrase , I BLOODY WELL LOVE THIS THING!!!http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gifhttp://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gifhttp://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

[Link_352nd]

I just ordered one of those Monday, glad to see it works well, for a 100 bucks, I was a bit leary on the quality. Thanks for the info!

[FiReLiOn1800]

the AQUAGATE MINI from COOLERMASTER is also a great product...got my for 89.99 retail...only downside is the cooler is only for cpu...not sure if the other is expandable...i have my 3700+ running on a 230 fsb @ 2.6 ghz with no problems...just thought i would throw my 2 cents in for what its worth...took 15 mins to install...very easy...either one seems like a good choice...idle 38 full load 48-49....

[-HH-Quazi]

Thank you m8. Could you tell me about the fan noise this unit produces? It looks as if it would be just as loud as using an aftermarket cou air cooling HS. I am intersted in water cooling for two reasons. Cutting the heat down to extend the life, more so than overclocking. And to cut way down the noise I am getting now with a Cooler Master HS and the fan on an X850. It wakes my wife up from a dead sleep if I turn on my rig before she gets up in the morning, which is late by my standards. I am ready to crank up at daylight. If I go with water cooling it would be for noise reduction and to take better care of my cpu and gpu by cutting the heat down some. So, iyo, did this unit cut down the noise you were experiencing in your rig with air cooling? I have read a couple reviews that said the noise from the two fans were pretty loud. I am sure it would quieter than what I am dealing with now. But I want a noise reduction down to the point that will not wake my wife from a sound sleep. So, how's the fan noise with this unit m8? Thanks!

[HelSqnProtos]

Quazi not sure if the question was for me or Firelion but the Kingwin is almost silent. By that I mean silent. Not quiet, silent. Also the kingwin has a second radiator and a gpu cooler block included. I did my research before I bought and for me this was the one to get because of the two above mentioned points.


The Kingwin has blown away my expectations. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

[FiReLiOn1800]

i did see the kingwin as well and i would have got it had i seen more possitive feedback...i did not find any bad...but i couldnt find much at all...the AQUAGATE mini version i have is the R80 and uses a 80mm fan...no louder than the other fans in my case...it comes in the R120 and has a slightly larger radiator and a 120mm fan...it runs 99.99 retail...but to be honest if your looking to overclock the video card go with the kingwin...looks like a good deal...

[-HH-Quazi]

What has sold me on this item is the gpu water block. Plus the fact that the cooler is completly modable. I mean two radiators with fans included and two water blocks. Plus I am looking more for quieter cpu operation rather than super duper cooling. I am sure it will be better than my current 44C idle and 56C load. And if it isn't, I have accomplished quieting my rig down at nearly the same cost as a the XP90C with a Panaflow 90mm fan which would cool the cpu better, but still be loud.

I will post results when I get this installed. Thanks m8 for posting. Strange I was considering water cooling today and was put off by the price of other kits, the cheapest I found to be $147. Then when I went to piece a water cooling system, $230 was the cheapest I came up with using Danger Den. I may could get this down below $200, but still, a bit rich for my wallet at this time. What I paid for this kit was close to what purchasing a cpu and gpu waterblock costs. And if I feel I need to mod this kit in any way, and if I do it would be for a better pump and a better reservoir, for what I have invested in this kit, I will still be better off $$$ wise. Again, Thanks for sharing m8!

[HelSqnProtos]

Good Luck Quazi but I am quite confident you will be more than happy.

Just make sure that the air is out of the system and that the filler cap is snug. I missed and o ring on my cpu block during my test run. took a few minutes to figure out the problem . But honestly the kit is idiot proof.

[swambast]

Hmm, this is a good topic indeed. I think Quazi and I have the same end in mind, adequate cooling but significant noise reduction.

HelSqnProtos,
How does the Arctic Liquid Cooling differ from the other liquid cooling product offering, the AS-3000? The AS-3000 is termed their "latest innovation." Can you describe/summarize the differences in both features and price? Thanks for any additional information.

[-HH-Quazi]

Hey m8. There are several differences between the two. First, the AS-3000 is all inclusive, meaning everthing is inside it's containment box. It also takes 2 5&1/2" drive bays to install it internally. You can run it externally. It comes with one radiator, again, inside the containment box. This means that there is no cooling between the the water from the cpu to the gpu.

What I like about the one this thread is about is that it installs in only one drive bay. It also comes with an extra radiator and fan that allows the water to go from the main unit to the cpu. From the cpu to the extra radiator that attaches to the back of the computer case at the 120mm fan exhaust port(fan included). After the water is re-cooled, it flows out of that radiator to the gpu. And from the gpu to the main units radiator, which draws air from the top of the unit and exhausts it out of the bottom.

I looked at this one also, and for the reasons above, I decided on the one discussed in this thread. Oh, and not to mention the difference in price. The AS-3000 I found at $149 less shipping. I got the one discussed in this thread for $86 and change. And mainly for noise reduction, but there will be some temp reduction also. Probably not as much as one would get if you pieced together a water cooling system, but definately at a savings of well over $180.

[HelSqnProtos]

S~! Quazi

If you are going to run stock -- I think you will really be surprised at just how cool your chip will be.

I forgot to mention that I did not use the paste included in the kit. I paid a little more and got the Arctic Silver 5. Worth every penny.

[-HH-Quazi]

Rgrt m8. I have some AS5 Thermal Compound ready to go. I keep a tube of AS5 around at all times. One really has to be careful when removing an air cooled HS from the cpu when using this stuff because it is very thick and sticky, almost an adhesive. But is it the best. Also, I forgot too mention to the m8 above asking about the differences between the AS-3000 and the Artic Liquid Cooling System. The latter is easily moddable if for some reason a m8 wants to add a better pump and reservoir in the future. One reason for this is the size difference. Another is the fact that a second radiator is used to cool the water as it flows between the cpu and gpu. And the biggest factor is how much the initial investment is. I am going to add a second fan to the outside radiator, having a 120mm fan on either side. This will be to aid the airflow through the radiator. Considering these fans are relatively quiet as is, it will not add much in the way of fan noise. Plus the fact the the fan included inside the unit will be blowing the air used to cool radiator inside the box, out the bottom of the unit, the extra fan I mentioned will only aid in exhausting the warm air exhausted from the unit to inside my rigs case. Still blows me away at the price of this deal. For someone like myself with noise reduction in mind over overclocking and keeping the cpu and gpu super cool, it can't be beat. I will run it outside my rig for a couple of days to ensure no leaks. And it looks as though I can bleed the system and install the unit already connected. At least this is what I am going to try to do. I'll see. Never water cooled before and concerned with bleeding the air while everything is installed. I'd like to find out what the name of the coolant is that is non-conductive in case of a leak or accident. I read about it a long time ago but I can't find the name of it now. Just still nervous about having liquid around my my rig. much less inside of it.

[swambast]

Thanks Quazi, very much for all the detailed information - very helpful indeed. This also would be my first go at water cooling. I do have a concern about this, though when you said:

"It also comes with an extra radiator and fan that allows the water to go from the main unit to the cpu. From the cpu to the extra radiator that attaches to the back of the computer case at the 120mm fan exhaust port(fan included)."

Does this mean your case has to support a 120mm fan in the back (exhaust)? Mine only supports 80mm.

[-HH-Quazi]

My bad. Here: http://www.overclockers.com/articles1082/index02.asp It is an 80mm radiator/fan setup.

[HelSqnProtos]

rgr Quazi, I like the push pull fan idea. I may try that. I have to find a super quiet 80mm.

[knightflyte]

I've looked on New Egg and ProVantage. Neither have the yjr Kingwin Water cooler listed. Fans? YES! But no watercoolers.

Where can I find one on line? Oh, and this is for a P4 3.2 Prescott.

Thanks.

[steve_v]

Heres the link to new egg for the Kingwin, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16835124005, and for the AQUAGATE MINI from COOLERMASTER http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?Submit=Go...ice=&Go.x=13&Go.y=33 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?Submit=Go&DEPA=0&type=&description=AQUAGATE+MINI+&Category=0&minPrice=&maxPrice=&Go.x=13&Go.y=33)


Originally posted by knightflyte:
I've looked on New Egg and ProVantage. Neither have the yjr Kingwin Water cooler listed. Fans? YES! But no watercoolers.

Where can I find one on line?

[HelSqnProtos]

Thanks for the link, that is the first I have ever seen of the coolermaster.


Its no contest in my eyes. Go Kingwin.

[-HH-Quazi]

TopMicro has it for $86 & change. Just google the name of the unit and it should come up as one of the top links. So far, I am satisfied with their service. I asked for a rush service to get it shipped and they did so. I was told they usually ship within 1 to 3 days, but rushed my order at my request.

[swambast]

Hey Quazi, if you are OK with it, maybe I'll let you be the guinea pig here before I purchase. Would you mind sharing your experience with everyone here as you're setting up your kit? I liked, for example, how HelSqnProtos shared some of his experience and provided a tip when he said "Just make sure that the air is out of the system and that the filler cap is snug. I missed and o ring on my cpu block during my test run. took a few minutes to figure out the problem."

Just an idea, but regardless if you want to detail the setup/install experience, perhaps you would be willing to share your overall satisfaction with the product, and your temperature/noise reductions.

Thanks for your consideration!

[-HH-Quazi]

Just a little update. I got the cooler today. Pretty great service from TopMicroUSA. Anyway, after a bit of measuring, I didn't have to cut and resize the tubing any. It came with 4 pre-cut and fabricated tubes, two short and two long. I ran one of the short tube fromt he unit to the cpu block. Then the other short tube from the cpu to the second raditor that mounts on the back inside of my case. Then out of the radiator to the gpu block with one of the longer tubes. And with the last long tube, from the gpu block to the unit.

Filled it up. Ran a string of Y-Adapters together to be able to supply power to the unit while it lays on my desktop. Plugged it in and watched a boat load of air bubbles start to move. HEHE I followed the directions for bledding the air bubbles out, which consists of turning th unit on its' side, pinching the tube 10cm from the out flow of the unit for 10 seconds, releasing it and laying the unit down flat. Then refilling it and repeating. No issues here. It bled the air wonderfully. And from the speed of the air bubbles traveling through the tubes, water flow is not a problem. I mean it moves pretty fast.

So for now, the unit is connected and running on my desktop. I will let it run for a couple days to make sure there is no leakage. Then I will install it and let you guys know the end results as far as temps and noise reduction goes.

Btw, the unit has a fan control knob and at its' wide open, it is still only half as loud as my current cpu cooler. And completely silent at its lowest. It also has a temp probe and thermal tape to attach it under the cpu water block as close to the cpu as possible to get decent readings.

So far, impressed with what I see. And it looks like it will not only cut the noise down tremendously, I believe it will cool alot better than I thought given how fast the water is flowing. I guess it boils down to the quality of the water blocks. And they do look like quality water blocks. Will will see. Stay tuned.

[HelSqnProtos]

Difference between fan at full and lowest is only a couple of degress, I set mine to 25% and it is still silent.

Your gonna want me to baptize your next child afer you get this installed. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

[vocatx]

Not trying to high-jack this thread, as I find it extremely interesting, but regarding the above post with a link to New Egg...don't call them. I tried to order a couple of components for my new system from them. I had a question to ask about two comparable products, so I called them on the telephone. I was on hold for a total of THREE hours over the course of two days. The lady (I use the term very loosely) who answered their line was not helpful at all, argumenative, and rude. When she could not or would not help me, I asked to speak to a supervisor. She hung up on me.

New Egg has been notified via e-mail of my displeasure, and answered me, but I can tell you, it will be a cold day in h$ll before I spend another penny with that company. I'll stick with Magnum PC and Tiger Direct from now on.

Just my two cents...take it or leave it.

[HelSqnProtos]

I am all for supporting Hunter at Magnum Pc. I would cut newegg some slack. I have yet to find a call center that knows what the hell they are talking about http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

You may also want to try ZipZoomFly

Now back to the Kingwin!

Qwuazi put it in already.

[Urufu_Shinjiro]

I've had nothing but wondeful experiences with zipzoomfly.com and only rarely does newegg beat thier prices (especially with most things having free secondday shipping).

[-HH-Quazi]

Originally posted by HelSqnProtos:
I am all for supporting Hunter at Magnum Pc. I would cut newegg some slack. I have yet to find a call center that knows what the hell they are talking about http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

You may also want to try ZipZoomFly

Now back to the Kingwin!

Qwuazi put it in already.

I am so ready. It's killimg me sitting watching it run. It's all dry. No leaks. And I am fighting the urge to install it. For the money I spent on this, it may turn out to be the best investment in cooling that I have ever made. I have a feeling I will not be able to wait two days to make sure it won't leak. HEHE

[HelSqnProtos]

Trust me if its gonna leak it would have done it by now. PUT IT IN http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[-HH-Quazi]

Originally posted by HelSqnProtos:
Trust me if its gonna leak it would have done it by now. PUT IT IN http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Ok. You talked me into it. If all is dry in the morning, I will install it. Thanks for the push. HEHE

[HelSqnProtos]

S~!

so whats the deal?

[PF_Coastie]

Originally posted by vocatx:
Not trying to high-jack this thread, as I find it extremely interesting, but regarding the above post with a link to New Egg...don't call them. I tried to order a couple of components for my new system from them. I had a question to ask about two comparable products, so I called them on the telephone. I was on hold for a total of THREE hours over the course of two days. The lady (I use the term very loosely) who answered their line was not helpful at all, argumenative, and rude. When she could not or would not help me, I asked to speak to a supervisor. She hung up on me.

New Egg has been notified via e-mail of my displeasure, and answered me, but I can tell you, it will be a cold day in h$ll before I spend another penny with that company. I'll stick with Magnum PC and Tiger Direct from now on.

Just my two cents...take it or leave it.

Newegg does not offer tech support and that is basically what you were asking of them. If you dont see the info you want on thier website, then you won't get the info from them. Its better to do the research elsewhere.

They have never ever let me down on ordering, RMA's or Pricing. Thats what they do well and thats what they advertise.

I am also in favor of supporting Hunter at MagnumPC. Hard to go wrong there no matter what.

[-HH-Quazi]

Ok m8's. All done. It installed incredibly easy. Here are the temps before the install. CPU idle temps were 44C. CPU load temps after an hour of non-stop flying was 58C. Idle temps for the GPU were 38C. GPU load temps and an hour of straight flying was 68C(X850XT with factory Heastsink).

After the install, hehe, CPU idle temps are 41C. CPU load temps are 48C. GPU idle temps are 34C. GPU load temps are 49C. These temps are with the fan inside of the unit as slow as it goes on low speed settings. I can't even hear it running. I haven't tested with the fan control speed wide open yet. It may reduce the temps above by 1C or 2C.

And above all, it is silent with the exception of the PSU fans and the 80mm fan on the radiator attached to the inside back of my case. I am tremendously satisfied. Not only with the performance and silence of my rig now, but with the service TopMicroUSA provided in shipping it to me within two days. Ordered it Wednesday and recieved it on Friday. Of course I asked for quick shipping, and since I was a first time customer, how fast it gets shipped and how fast I receive it will determine whether or not I purchase from them in the future. So, if I ever need anything else, after I check with Magnum-PC and possibly Monarch Computer, I will definately use them again.

For those of you thinking of getting this product, for the price, and for the effectiveness, you can't go wrong. I priced a cooling system by purchasing the parts I needed to get it done. The cheapest I got by with was a little over $200. Of course there are cheaper radiators, like a heater core from a Ford truck that a squad mate of mine is using. And I could have probably gotten by for around $160. But I would have tubing running out the back of my rig among other items that on the outside of my rig looking a bit tacky. This unit is completely contained inside my rig. Nice, neat, and gets the job done.

So there you have it m8's. I will give this unit a 10 out of 10!

[Link_352nd]

I got my KingWin installed last night, no leaks and much more quite than the Thermaltake SP94 with a Tornado fan mounted on it, sounded like a jet engine inside my pc. I only dropped about 5 degrees Celcius on temps, tells me the SP94 was doing a pretty good job, but the silence of the KingWin makes it worth it by far. It was fairly easy to install plus you get to clean your case out while putting it in!

[Urufu_Shinjiro]

What's you vcore?

[HelSqnProtos]

S~! Great to hear Quazi. I knew you would love it.

I dont know how you stacked it in your rig. I should have mentioned that. I made sure I had a free drive bay above and below mine. Perhaps that accounts for my slightly better cooling. Either way I love it and now have made some convers. Enjoy the silence and the extra performance gents ! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Also I advise turning the fan dial up to about 30%, its still silent but gives you that degree or two of extra cooling.

[-HH-Quazi]

Actually, I only have 4 5 1/2" drive bays. So I had to leave my CD-Rom out and am only using my re-writable CD-Rom drive. And I also left a space above and below the unit for airflow. I wish I had went with a full tower when I built this rig.

Anyway, thanks so much for starting this thread when you did. I would have purchased an XP-90 and a Panaflow fan for better cooling and still be dealing with the noise from it and my video card fan.

[HelSqnProtos]

S~! Glad it was of use. Hate to sound like a fanboy, but love this thing.

[-HH-Quazi]

I just got through with 6 back to back coops with my squad m8's. My max load cpu temp topped out at 48C, this is down 10C. And my max load gpu temp was 47C, this is down 21C!

I am a fan boy of this all-in-one unit. What it costs to purchase a water block for the cpu and the gpu, I was able to purchase this water cooling unit. I am not sure how much better a water cooling setup consisting of the best manufactured components, but this unit reduced the gpu load temp by 21C! This tells me I shouldn't even wonder about such things. Plus my cpu load temps are reduced by 10C. And now, I don't have to worry about waking the house when I fire my rig up in the mornings. All for $86 and change. Geesh! Oh yea. Call me a fanboy because I also love this unit. HEHE!

[Urufu_Shinjiro]

Hey quazi, just for S's and G's, what order do you have it tubed up in? If you're willing (and curious as a bugger) try running it in different configs, move that second radiator around in the flow order or something and see if it's better or worse. It might be a lot of work but if your bored one day or would like to know yourself I'd love to hear about it.

[Urufu_Shinjiro]

For anyone looking to buy this I have price info for you, while quazi is right that the best initial price is at topmicro for $86 and change when I checked shipping it came to a total of $102 and change. This still beats the **** outa newegg which has it for $107 with shipping, but http://www.zipzoomfly.com has it for $96.99 and free 2nd day fedex shipping. I'm ordering one right now http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[-HH-Quazi]

Originally posted by Urufu_Shinjiro:
Hey quazi, just for S's and G's, what order do you have it tubed up in? If you're willing (and curious as a bugger) try running it in different configs, move that second radiator around in the flow order or something and see if it's better or worse. It might be a lot of work but if your bored one day or would like to know yourself I'd love to hear about it.

I have it set up with the outside radiator between the cpu and gpu. The diagram in the manual has the flow from the unit to the cpu to the gpu to the outside radiator to the units radiator. This didn't make sense to me seeing as the water is already heated from the cpu before it goes to the gpu. I thought it would be better to run the water out of the cpu to the outside radiator for cooling before it gets to the gpu. If you try it in any other configuration, please share your results. I am open to changing things around for better results.

This is the first time I have had both sides on my rig since it has been built. I'd have to rank this addition as one of the best I have ever done. Main thing here is that my wife is happy that she can't hear the computer running. HEHE

[Urufu_Shinjiro]

Yeah, thats definitally what I would have done with the radiator. I'm thinking that the second radiator would be the most efficiant, therefor the water leaving it the coolest. Perhaps I'll run the flow out of the drive unit to the GPU to the second radiator to the CPU and back to the unit. This way there is still a radiator between each block but the coolest water goes to the cpu and may allow for more overclock. We'll see how it looks when I have the thing in front of me....

[PROWLER35]

Quazi,

My arctic cooler is in the mail to me now. I have a couple questions for you please. First of all, I have an Antec Sonata mid tower case. It only has one rear fan which is a 120mm fan. I noticed that the kingwin kit comes with a radiator attached to an 80mm fan. Would I be able to attach my 120mm fan to the radiator instead and mount it or would I have to take my 120mm fan down and somehow attach the 80mm with the radiator to the back of my case?

Second question.....I have a Geforce FX 6800 GT OC video card. Is the GPU block compatible with that card and will it be difficult to connect? It has a huge heat sink on top with two fans. Will I have to take all that off or does it mount on the bottom somehow? Any advice or help you can give me will be greatly appreciated. Thanks

[steve_v]

Here is a direct link to the Kingwin manual in PDF format, 1.88MB


http://www.kingwin.com/download/Arctic%20Liquid%20Cooler%20User%20Manual.pdf

[-HH-Quazi]

Originally posted by PROWLER35:
Quazi,

My arctic cooler is in the mail to me now. I have a couple questions for you please. First of all, I have an Antec Sonata mid tower case. It only has one rear fan which is a 120mm fan. I noticed that the kingwin kit comes with a radiator attached to an 80mm fan. Would I be able to attach my 120mm fan to the radiator instead and mount it or would I have to take my 120mm fan down and somehow attach the 80mm with the radiator to the back of my case?

Second question.....I have a Geforce FX 6800 GT OC video card. Is the GPU block compatible with that card and will it be difficult to connect? It has a huge heat sink on top with two fans. Will I have to take all that off or does it mount on the bottom somehow? Any advice or help you can give me will be greatly appreciated. Thanks

Yea m8. It comes with a clip for the Nvidia cards. And my mid tower case had a 120mm fan in the back, but it also has holes drilled to fit a 92mm or an 80mm. If yours don't have the extra holes to fit smaller fans, you may need to drill them yourself. Just take a piece of paper and make a template and transfer that to the back of your case. If you do any drilling, you will definately need to remove your mobo. No need in taking any chances with metal shaving shorting out your mobo. And this isn't to much more to do because I was down to taking my mobo out after removing my PSU connections and cd-rom and floppy connectors. It's just alot easier installing this when everything else is completely out of the way. After it is installed, then reconnecting everything is no big issue. Actually, it gave me a chance to tidy up my wiring, something I have been needing to do since I built this rig.

[PROWLER35]

Wow!! Thanks for the fast reply. I can't wait to get the cooler in and set it up. I think it will complete my system for now. These are my current specs.........

-ASUS P4C800 Deluxe MOBO
-Pentium 4 3.2E processor with HT and 1mb cache
-Western Digital Raptor 10,000 rpm serial ata HD
-3 gigs dual channel DDR 400 ram
-Geforce FX 6800 GT OC Video Card
-Nostromo N52 speed pad
-Saitek Gaming Keyboard
-Razerzone Diamondback Chameleon Mouse

Add a Kingwin Arctic Cooler and a little overclocking and my system should be all pimped out!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Thanks again for the advice.

[Link_352nd]

I am already thinking of putting a little resevoir in my pc, just to have a little more coolant and maybe get a few degrees cooler, what should I be looking for as far as fittings so I can hook the Kingwin hoses up to the resevoir? I figured I could splice into the hose that runs from second radiator up to the pump and first radiator with a small resavoir mounted to floor of the pc or even somewhere on the rear wall.

[Urufu_Shinjiro]

I'm curious as to fittings as well, I'm thinking about maybe a third radiotor or just a high end double radiator in the future. I don't see any specs as to tube size (inside diamiter or outside diamiter) anywhere.

[HelSqnProtos]

S~! Gentlemen, glad to see this thread was helpful. As far as adding resevoirs ect... I am dubious as to how much effect that will have. Personally I purchased another "silent" 80mm fan and placed it on the back of my case to give me a push pull through the secondary radiator. This dropped temps another 5-6 c for me.

I couldn't be more delighted with this product. The new 80mm fan spins at 1500 so its silent. This Kingwin Rocks!

[Urufu_Shinjiro]

Glad to hear about the second fan, I was planning on doing this myself since I already have one in the case. I'm SOOOO looking forward to this.

[HelSqnProtos]

Bump for newcomers.

[-HH-Quazi]

I am going to install an 80mm in front of the outside radiator in the morning to get the push/pull effect. I hope it reduces temps as much as it did yours Protos.

[HelSqnProtos]

Rgr, good luck, but anything we get over and above is gravy as far as I am concerned.

[-HH-Quazi]

Originally posted by HelSqnProtos:
Rgr, good luck, but anything we get over and above is gravy as far as I am concerned.

Yea, good sausage gravy, homemade with a couple big fat homemade buttermilk biscuits, grits, and eggs over easy. Oh yea...and a nice tall glass of ice cold milk. HEHEHEHEHE

Just cuttin' up m8. Yea, I do agree anything more than what we have now is gravy, no doubt.

[HelSqnProtos]

Post your results once you install the second fan Quazi. I am interested to see how you do.

[-HH-Quazi]

Originally posted by HelSqnProtos:
Post your results once you install the second fan Quazi. I am interested to see how you do.

I got a 1C drop in load temps on my cpu and a 3C drop in load temps for the GPU. I have a feeling that if I had the gpu in front of the cpu as far as flow goes, that those numbers would be bassackwards. If I had it to do over, the gpu would be first in line, then to the radiator, then to the cpu. It seems the second raditator is cooling the water a bit better than the units radiator, especially with the second fan. But all in all, well worth adding the fan in front of the radiator.

[Urufu_Shinjiro]

I have now installed my kingwin and EUREKA! Before on a thermaltake silent tower my temps were 45idle and 58load, now I'm 33idle and 40 load!!!!! I have mine set up in order of main unit-cpu-gpu-second rad-main unit, the thinking being that I'd rather have the coolest water on my cpu for oc purposes and anything better than air on the gpu is gravey. I have two fans on the second radiator and I'm very pleased with whole thing. After my new rig is done (hopefully by xmas) I'll begin to assemble the parts for a custom liquid setup, but I can hardly imagine how much better my temps would be on something with a triple 120mm radiator and 1/2" ID tubing when this setup is doing so well. I'll post back and let everyone know my oc results and my temps with higher vcore.

P.S. I was planning on putting the temp sensor on my gpu as it doesn't have one on it's own but forgot in my excitement to git it together lol. I have some other parts coming this week so I'll do it then when the pc is apart anyway http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

[-HH-Quazi]

Congrats m8. And I am of the same thinking. I really don't see any more cooling by doing a pieced together water cooling setup. And the best part about it is that this little unit costs half of what a pieced together system would cost. I may at some time re-route the flow to the way you have it set up.

[Urufu_Shinjiro]

If you do "rewire" your setup let us know how it affects your cpu/gpu temps, I'm curious to see what, if any, rise you get in gpu temps by having cpu first in the loop with no rad in between, not to mention the drop in cpu.

[HelSqnProtos]

Originally posted by Urufu_Shinjiro:
I have now installed my kingwin and EUREKA! Before on a thermaltake silent tower my temps were 45idle and 58load, now I'm 33idle and 40 load!!!!! I have mine set up in order of main unit-cpu-gpu-second rad-main unit, the thinking being that I'd rather have the coolest water on my cpu for oc purposes and anything better than air on the gpu is gravey. I have two fans on the second radiator and I'm very pleased with whole thing. After my new rig is done (hopefully by xmas) I'll begin to assemble the parts for a custom liquid setup, but I can hardly imagine how much better my temps would be on something with a triple 120mm radiator and 1/2" ID tubing when this setup is doing so well. I'll post back and let everyone know my oc results and my temps with higher vcore.

P.S. I was planning on putting the temp sensor on my gpu as it doesn't have one on it's own but forgot in my excitement to git it together lol. I have some other parts coming this week so I'll do it then when the pc is apart anyway http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

I have friends who have the full swiftech job, the best waterblocks money can buy ect..... I mean a 500+ dollar setup. He is approximiately 3-4 degrees celsius cooler. FOR 5 TIMES THE PRICES. This one is a no brainer!! KINGWIN ROCKS. Duh!!!

[HelSqnProtos]

S~!

I have added a link to the Discuss New Hardware and Software .... Please Keep It Civil Thread. For those that may wish to reference this thread.

[-HH-Quazi]

Bump for TOAD.

[T_O_A_D]

Thanks just found it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

It appears MagnumPC doesn't carry it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

It also appears zipzoom is cheapest 96.99 free shipping.

[Fliegeroffizier]

First off, I'm NOT a techie...I'm focussing in on a new Rig with the components listed below. The Case has 120mm fan in front, 120mm fan in rear, 90mm fan on top. I am NOT an 'Overclocker"(again, I am not a techie).

Do you experts think I will need water cooling? If so, would that mean that this particular case with the big fans would be unneccessary 'fan-overkill', because I would want to turn OFF the fans and rely on the 'silent' water cooler instead?

Also I note in the description of the case (http://www.bigbruin.com/reviews05/ttarmor/index.php?file=1) that it is specifically pointed out that there are four circular "punch-outs" on the back to facilitate water coolant tubes to/from an external water cooling system. If I were to choose water cooling, would I be best off going the external route?

if i sound confused, it is because I am... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

CASE:
Thermaltake VA8000 (http://www.bigbruin.com/reviews05/ttarmor/index.php?file=1)

MOBO:
DFI LANPARTY nF4 SLI-DR

PSU:
OCZ Powerstream 600W

CPU:
AMD 64X2 4800 Dual-core cpu
OR
AMD64 FX-57 (.San Diego only??)

RAM:
OCZ Enhanced Latency Dual-Channel Gold VX 184 Pin 1GB DDR PC-4000 (2x512MB)
OR
OCZ 2GB 184-Pin DDR SDRAM Unbuffered (2 x 1GB) DDR 400 (PC 3200) Dual Channel Platinum System Memory, 2.3.2.5

GPU:
Two BFG GeForce 7800 GTX OC 256MB PCI-E

HD:
One Western Digital Raptor 74Gb 10krpm SATA
Plus
One Maxtor Diamondmax 10 (6B300SO) 7200RPM 300GB Hard Drive w/ 16Mb Cache (SATAII)

Optical Drive:
Plextor PX-716SA SATA DVDâ±R/RW drive.

[-HH-Quazi]

If you are interested in keeping your rig silent, then water cooling is the way to go. And if you aren't interested in overclocking, then then Kingwin will suit your needs very well.

I am not saying that you can't oc with this unit, but it isn't going to cool your cpu as well as a better unit. The Kingwin will keep your cpu and gpu alot cooler than any air cooler with fans.

But an enthusiasts water cooling set up will keep your cpu and gpu alot cooler than the Kingwin, and therefore afford a m8 better oc speeds. And as big as your case is, which is an awesome case, you could put together an enthusiasts water cooling setup and keep in all inside your case.

But, I think, from what you said, the Kingwin will fit your needs perfectly and probsbly save you $150 by not pieceing an enthusiasts water cooling setup. Your rig will be silent, and your cpu and gpu will be cooler than any air coolers or aftermarket VGA coolers could ever cool. Btw, excellent rig m8!

[-HH-Quazi]

I believe you have just sold me on this case you are going to use m8. I have been looking for a case but wanted to find one big enough to install an enthusiasts water cooling setup if ever I wanted to go that route. For now the Kingwin is getting the job done beautifully. I may however get the bug to oc the stuffing out of my FX-53 and will need to go the supper water cooling route. But I believe this case will do fine for what I need. Thanks 8!

[steve_v]

I'd like to add a few ideas I've found effective in modding cases that would also improve the performance of the Kingwin.

1.) If you're going to mount the radiator to exhaust out the back panel, use snips to cut a clean hole from the perforated back panel of the case and use a fan grill for protection. You just wouldn't believe how much air flow is improved with the removal of the perforation, allowing unhindered airflow.

2.) If possible, mount the radiator on the top of the case. It should fit easily between the optical drives and psu, espically since you're leaving the top drive bay empty for the Kingwin. Again, use a fan grill. This will also give you the benefit of unrestricted airfolw along with added top case ventillation. Its a win/win mod if you can do it.

3.) Another fan can be added to the radiator to create a push/pull effect, or a fan adapter can be used to fit a larger size fan for increased cfm, which results in better cooling without added fan noise. Here is one example, 80mm to 120mm fan adapter in conjunction with a Panaflo producing 68.9 CFM @ 30 dBA. There should be plenty of room if used as a top exhaust. The 80mm that comes with the unit produces 32.4 CFM @ 25dBA. http://www.kingwin.com/pdut_detail.asp?LineID=&CateID=53&ID=187


http://www.plycon.com/fans/adapt120.jpg

http://www.plycon.com/fans/panaflo_120mm_low.jpg

[Urufu_Shinjiro]

I've thought about the 120mm adaptor myself, I have a big case and it has a 120 fan space for rear exaust so right now I have the push/pull thing going with the pull 80mm attached to the holes with washers. I've thought about even maybe a push/pull with two 120mm's and two adaptors but that would be huge. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[HelSqnProtos]

S~!

Wow steve terrific post !!

I have to seriously look at doing that. I have never seen an adapter like that before, but just the thought of doubling the cfm is incredible. Super idea !!!

I just did the perferation trick and it REALLY worked. I thought of it when I first mounted, but thought it wouldn't do much.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif super tip. Can't wait to try the rest.

[-HH-Quazi]

And I am thinking if I run from the unit, to the second radiator, then to the cpu, then to the gpu, then back to the units radiator, I would probably see cooler cpu temps. Right now, I am running from the unit, to the cpu, then to the second radiator to the gpu, then back to the units radiator. Running it the way I am thinking about may supply cooler water to the cpu. My gpu temps may increase a little under load, but it won't hurt any because as it is now it runs 47C under load. And as of now, my cpu load temps reach 50C if I play for over 30 miutes straight. I would like to see that a little cooler, at least down to 45C. But I am not complaining. This unit, for the investment, is the best bang for the buck that I have seen in a long while. I just want to get all it will give me and that means re-routing the flow to see if there are any differences. I will probably re-route it when I purchase the case I am looking at, which will be within the next 7 to 10 days. I will post any differences I find.

Btw Steve, great advice on getting more out of the Kingwin by doing a little case modding. I am already doing the push/pull effect on the second radiator.

[Cdn.401GATOR]

I see everybody is jumping on the bandwagon that this thing is better than sliced bread and cools better than air cooling hands down..

so let me hit you with some facts...

Here is a review from Bjorn3d..

http://www.bjorn3d.com/read.php?cID=656&pageID=923


and here is their conlusion:
"
The Kingwin Arctic Liquid Cooler makes getting into watercooling a walk in the park. With its wonderful and easy-to-use hose connections, its wonderful display unit and high quality looking components, the product definitely has a way of walking the walk. When it comes to talking the talk however, the Arctic Liquid Cooler keeps its mouth shut. Temperatures easily obtained by stock or aftermarket air cooling are all that the watercooling unit was able to produce.

For those wanting to quiet down their computer and use watercooling to do it, the Kingwin Arctic Liquid Cooler should fare just fine. Users that are looking to overclock the bejesus out of their processor and not have to worry about overheating their hardware will want to pass right on by this unit. As far as performance goes, this unit is all bark and no bite.

Some improvements that I think would definitely help out the performance of this kit are: a beefier water pump and reservoir, tubing that is not as susceptible to kinks and has a larger diameter, a temperature sensing unit that has a memory, and a more efficient way of moving air across the main radiator.

Pros

Quiet
Cheap for watercooling
Includes both CPU and GPU blocks
Mounting hardware for AMD, Intel, NVIDIA and ATI
Front mounted controls and temperature monitor
Cons

Lackluster performance
Temperatures are easily obtainable by traditional cooling methods
Water in a PC is always a risk
Some parts of kit are low in quality
Filling can be difficult without included bottle
Full speed on main fan is almost unbearable
After a rigorous testing period I am not as happy with my watercooling results as I thought I would be, and therefore award the Kingwin Arctic Liquid Cooler 6 out of 10.
"

I use air cooling and am getting better results than those posted by everybody here.. Not to say its not a bad product.. I think its quite good for the guy who doesn't want to OC and wants a quiet sounding rig..

right now on my air cooled rig with heat pipe Thermalright XP-90, with 80 mm fan and 5 additional custom installed 120CM fans I get:

CPU temp of 91F in idle and about 104F under load.. thats with room temp of 76-78 degree F..

This thing is good.. But statements I'm seeing here saying that air cooling cannot provide similar temps is just wrong..

But with many of you guys not interested in doing case mods, who are using stock coolers and such, this looks like a great solution..

I've never seen a water cooling system that looks this easy to install..

BTW I have done some extreme active water cooling in the past with Peltier devices, and it was a lot of fun and got super cool temps, til I sprung a leak....



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[Urufu_Shinjiro]

I agree and disagree at the same time. This is by no means a high end water solution, if anything said above in this thread implied that then I think I can speak for the other m8's and appologize. I think all of us were aware that we were speaking low end water/mid range air. As for myself I'm very impressed that it does what it does seeing as it is what it is, if that makes sense. Also I belive that most of us in this thread were after noice reduction as opposed to high oc's, which this thing is way quiet. also I think by the time you spend the money on an xp90c and a high cfm fan and 5 (5?!) 120mm case fans AND an aftermarket video card cooler that the price difference is neglegable if not cheaper for the kingwin. I definatley plan on a high end water setup after I build a new rig around xmas (storm g4 waterblock, asetek usb controlled pump, bixIII rad, etc.) but this is much improved on my aftermarket heatpipe cpu cooler(thermaltake silent tower in push/pull) and stock 9800pro hsf. Noise is a big factor with some and I'm pretty sure a high cfm 80mm fan and 5 (seriously?!) 120mm case fans that thing is a tornado. I'm not trying to flame you, merely clear things up so it puts what we said in perspective. 45C load @1.92vcore seems like pretty good results to me.

[HelSqnProtos]

S~! Gator

Well we can all look around the net and find a negative review of just about any product we want -- to say just about anything we want. I saw the review you were talking about. Not really going to get into it as I question their results. However I will say that if you want a REAL reality check. Count up all the negative reviews and then count up all the positive ones. Or go to newegg or somewhere else. Its 99% extremely favourable. Or do you think you are the only one who knows how to use google? Or that the rest of us are ******ed and didn't do our research before we purchased??

Most people who have had a problem. Have done something wrong. It happened to me (dropped and O ring) and I consider myself pretty tech savvy.

By the way the best review is the one that YOU yourself do. Most of the posters in this thread bought, tried and loved this kit. There is no way aircooled can compete with watercooled. FACT. I don't care what kind of heat pipe or whatever your running. Also, imho watercooling does not really begin to shine till you start overclocking. Today's AMD chips for example run quite cool at stock settings.

You tell overclockers to pass on by. I say STOP ON IN. I tried it and I have an "old" processor that runs hot. Amd2500xp mobile overclocked to 2.5 ghz. That is a ridiculous overclock. I could go higher too but my multiplier tops out at 12.5. And since I KNOW what my temps were before and after this modification to my system. I can confidently make a realistic evaluation. Something you sir cannot.

All your doing is quoting one source -- which is not exactly great stats tracking imho. Try the kit, then come post. There are some very very knowledgeable people here who love this thing and are looking to improve it. Guys like Steve_v and Quazi have posted very cheap ways to get even MORE performance out of it.

I am very glad you are happy with your aircooled solution. And if you like what was it?? 6-8 spinning fans in your case with all the racket that comes with it. Great. More power to you. But dont' compare inexpensive, efficient and silent water cooling to your solution. It does not compute. I write this because I don't want someone who may be interested in going the watercooling route put off by what I feel are uniformed comments, Air cooling alone cannot and will not ever be able to compete with watercooling. To say so is false in my opinion.

Good luck with your modding and see you in the air.

[-HH-Quazi]

I am not sure the manner in which you are getting your temp readings, but, in all my reading about air cooling products and a massive amount of reviews especially on the XP-90Cu, never has any air cooling device including the XP-90Cu ever produced cpu load temps of 40C(104F). And before making the decision to give this little water cooling unit a shot, I read every review I could find on many, many after market coolers, with the XP-90Cu being the best performer out of them all.

Actually spent hours upon hours reading in order to make the most informed decision on which air cooler to purchase. The best load temps I ever saw the XP-90Cu produce from the reviews I read was in the upper 40'sC. I think 49C was the best under load that any review I have read published. So I am thinking you may need to check the manner in which you are getting your temp readings m8.

Also, I have clocked my FX-53 to 2.6GHz at 260MHz FSB at a voltage of 1.55v's(default is 1.50v's) and saw no increase in load temps. I mean if I were to want to get xtreme and try to beat other m8's marks, this unit isn't what I would need. And seeing as my main deal was to have a silent running PC that cools this well, it definately does this.

I probably could have went with the XP-90Cu and got load temps the same as I am now, and was fixing to make that order, until I read this thread. And wouldn't you know it, I got by cheaper, alot cheaper than if I were to have purchased the XP-90Cu, and a fan to mount on top of it, and then a VF700Cu for my X850XT PE. Not only alot cheaper, but alot quieter.

So don't post one negative review that might keep a m8 from purchasing a low to mid-level water cooling solution that is the best bang for the buck we have ever seen. (I believe these other m8's would agree that this has been the best bang for the buck for themselves so I don't mind speaking for them) For that one negative review, I read three more that praised this little unit.

Plus, the fact that real world m8's that have purchased and use this water cooler and posted their satisfaction with results in this forum, in this thread, should tell you and others not to believe one review from a group that is hard to please.

I have read more negative reviews from Bjorn than I have any other group. Up to the point that I do not bother to read any review they may have published on any component or item I am looking to purchase.

Btw, I believe the bios you are using to get those temp readings is whacked. 40C under air cooling? No way m8. I am not calling you a liar. Please don't take it that way. I believe you are seeing what you are seeing. But unless you are keeping the ambient air temps cold enough to keep meat, I really do not believe air cooling can produce load temps that low. Or just let me say, out of the 100's of reviews (maybe not that many but a whole krudpotfull of them) trying to find the best air cooling product for my cpu, none of them ever produced load temps that low, at least none that I can remember. That was exactly what I was looking for in every review I read about an air cooling unit, was the load temps. I really do not think I am mistaken.

But if noise isn't an issue, for sure the XP-90Cu is the best air cooling you can get for a cpu, along with a 92mm fan to mount on top of it. With that said, this Kingwin Arctic Liquid Cooling unit will cool as well as the XP-90Cu, and cool you video cards gpu alot better than a VF700-Cu, and do it all with no noise.

[HelSqnProtos]

I probably could have went with the XP-90Cu and got load temps the same as I am now, and was fixing to make that order, until I read this thread. And wouldn't you know it, I got by cheaper, alot cheaper than if I were to have purchased the XP-90Cu, and a fan to mount on top of it, and then a VF700Cu for my X850XT PE. Not only alot cheaper, but alot quieter.


But if noise isn't an issue, for sure the XP-90Cu is the best air cooling you can get for a cpu, along with a 92mm fan to mount on top of it. With that said, this Kingwin Arctic Liquid Cooling unit will cool as well as the XP-90Cu, and cool you video cards gpu alot better than a VF700-Cu, and do it all with no noise.

Hmmm lets see now....... CHEAPER TO PURCHASE, MORE EFFICIENT, BETTER COOLING AND SILENT.

Can we get a review???

[ashley2005]

ooooo woudent mind getting one of those and over cloking my amd xp2800+ cpu to 3ghz nice one trev http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

[-HH-Quazi]

Yea. The Kingwin Arctic Liquid Cooler is a low to mid level cooling solution and does allow for better oc's, but not the truly insane oc's like the m8's at Xtreme Systems. I have seen picture threads of m8's showing off their cooling setups. And speaking of strictly the water cooling setups, these m8's have it going on. And probably invests up in the $300 to $400 range. Some have two or three large radiators in their setups. Some even set their reservour, and radiators up in a small refridgerator. HEHE

But, for the $$$, this unit is a super water cooling setup. You will spend more $$$ for an air cooled setup for your cpu and gpu than you will on this unit, and get better results.

[Urufu_Shinjiro]

Originally posted by ashley2005:
ooooo woudent mind getting one of those and over cloking my amd xp2800+ cpu to 3ghz nice one trev http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

I don't know about 3ghz but I do know that my athlonXP 3200+ barton running at 1.93vcore (thats alotta vcore) will not go over 47C!

[HelSqnProtos]

S~!

Its clear this thread has been invaded by the doofus society. First one idiot with no knowledge of the system comes in --- then we get his ******ed buddy.

Let me help you out there ashley since you are obviously a pc mechanic with great skill and knowledge http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Below is a CpuZ shot with just a multiplier overclock. Now add about 25-30mhz to the fsb --- which is NOTHING for this board and your up to 2.9 ghz -- but you and your buddy trev know best ...... pfttt.

Oh wait, all while idling at 38-39c at 74 degrees farenheit ambient. Yes indeed, what was I thinking trying to bring such a system to top pros like you and trev was it....... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

Hark !! What is that I hear???? Ah yes...... notice the fan headers in that pic --- they are all 0 doofus. That means silence. --- Try it till you know what your talking about mkay???? Ya'll take care now ya heaahh!!

http://www.13th-hellenicsqn.com/Images/CpuZ1.JPG


http://www.13th-hellenicsqn.com/Images/mbmidle.JPG


http://www.13th-hellenicsqn.com/Images/SandraArithmaticCpuTest.JPG


http://www.13th-hellenicsqn.com/Images/SandraMultimediaTest.JPG

[T_O_A_D]

I got my Kingwin yesterday and plan to spens some time with it Next Monday.

Just for fun can any of ya post a pick of it all installed in your rig?

I'll post mine once done.

Here are my temps today with about 30 minutes of looped "The Black Death" track
http://home.mchsi.com/~t_o_a_d/stock_temps_b4_kingwin.jpg

CPU 1/1
Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.40GHz
Manufacturer Intel
Family Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.40GHz
Architecture 32-bit
Internal Clock 2.4 GHz
Internal Clock Maximum 2.4 GHz
External Clock 200.0 MHz
Socket Designation CPU 1
Type Central
HyperThreadingTechnology Available - 2 Logical Processors
Capabilities MMX, CMov, RDTSC, SSE, SSE2, PAE
Version Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.40GHz

RADEON 9800 PRO

Driver 6.14.10.6517

Description RADEON 9800 PRO
Manufacturer ATI Technologies Inc.
Total Local Video Memory 256 MB
Total Local Texture Memory 256 MB
Total AGP Memory 128 MB
Driver File ati2dvag.dll
Driver Version 6.14.10.6517
Driver Details 8.111-050222a-021277C-ATI
Driver Date 2-22-2005
Driver WHQL Certified true
Max Texture Width 2048 px
Max Texture Height 2048 px
Max User Clipping Planes 6
Max Active Hardware Lights 8
Max Texture Blending Stages 8
Fixed Function Textures In Single Pass 8
Vertex Shader Version 2.0
Pixel Shader Version 2.0
Max Vertex Blend Matrices 37
Max Texture Coordinates 8
VGA Memory Clock 337.5 MHz
VGA Core Clock 378.0 MHz

[HelSqnProtos]

S~!

Holy **** Toad you have 56 processes running in the background. I have like 17-18 when I am playing. You really need to clean some of those out imho.

[T_O_A_D]

Your right of course, and I do when I play. I just slapped that up last night just for the screen shot.

I do though only get it down to maybey 44 processes when playing.

I have fooled wit a profile for awhile for gaming but always manage to turn stuff off I need, If I try and get below 44 or so. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

I can post my processes if you like, maybey you can enlighten me.

[HelSqnProtos]

S~!

Sure, but there is an easier way. Just download FSAutostart and turn things off with that. It will automatically restart everything once you turn it off. It also has some built in suggestions for what is safe and what should stay. Great proggie.

[ReichstagMad]

Heres the link for FSautostart downloads.

http://www.kensalter.com/fsautostart/download.htm

[T_O_A_D]

TY I'll give it a look.

[-HH-Quazi]

Originally posted by Cdn.401GATOR:
I use air cooling and am getting better results than those posted by everybody here.. Not to say its not a bad product.. I think its quite good for the guy who doesn't want to OC and wants a quiet sounding rig..

right now on my air cooled rig with heat pipe Thermalright XP-90, with 80 mm fan and 5 additional custom installed 120CM fans I get:

CPU temp of 91F in idle and about 104F under load.. thats with room temp of 76-78 degree F..

This thing is good.. But statements I'm seeing here saying that air cooling cannot provide similar temps is just wrong..

But with many of you guys not interested in doing case mods, who are using stock coolers and such, this looks like a great solution..

I've never seen a water cooling system that looks this easy to install..

BTW I have done some extreme active water cooling in the past with Peltier devices, and it was a lot of fun and got super cool temps, til I sprung a leak....



http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1072.gif

I stand corrected. I posted in this thread that I thought those readings were wrong because out of all the reviews about the XP-90Cu, I had never seen load temps as low as what you were claiming. Well, it seems another m8, and he just started a thread about his experience with an XP90Cu that he just installed, is getting the same load temp results as you are. So I was wrong in saying your temps had to be off.

I knew the XP90Cu was the best air cooling heatsink, and still is, but I never read in any review about load temps this low. I think it is awewsome that an aircooler can perform and give results like this.

Still yet, given the sound of silence, and even if the Kingwin isn't giving me similar results, I am satisfied I went this route to start with.

Of course now, I am interested in a more xtreme cooling setup, at least the best water cooling can give me. So I am in the process of setting up an overclockers water cooling setup and have already made the initial purchase of a Cooler Master Stacker case as a base to start building a professional water cooling setup.

Bottomline, you were right about those temps, and I was wrong for thinking differently. My apologies.

[HelSqnProtos]

Quazi you may buy it but I don't. There is no way imho that air can compete with water. I applaud you for having the sack to apologize though.

For me, I still think 6 120mm custom fans, + cpu fan +gpu fan + pw supply fan = ridiculous.

[JV44Rall]

Originally posted by HelSqnProtos:
Quazi you may buy it but I don't. There is no way imho that air can compete with water. I applaud you for having the sack to apologize though.

For me, I still think 6 120mm custom fans, + cpu fan +gpu fan + pw supply fan = ridiculous.

I posted elsewhere - so I'll abbreviate it here;

Posted Fri August 05 2005 20:22
I have a P4 3.06Ghz that I overclock up to 3.4GHz. I've been running stock (Intel) CPU cooling with two additional case fans to keep it down.

I upgraded to a XP-90C heatsink and 90mm fan. According to Motherboard Monitor, the CPU went from an average of 59 degrees C to 39 degrees C, in game.

A 20 degree C drop, for about $65.

Here's the Motherboard Monitor log file with before and after temps - the before log was from playing on an online server and the after XP90C log (on top) was running the "Black Death" track looped:

XP90C
|8/5/2005|12:01:21AM|3459MHz|37â?C|4821RPM|3125RPM|100. 00%|
|8/5/2005|12:00:51AM|3459MHz|36â?C|4821RPM|3125RPM|100. 00%|
|8/5/2005|12:00:21AM|3459MHz|36â?C|4821RPM|3125RPM|100. 00%|
|8/4/2005|11:59:51PM|3459MHz|37â?C|4821RPM|3125RPM|100. 00%|
|8/4/2005|11:59:21PM|3459MHz|36â?C|4963RPM|3096RPM|100. 00%|
|8/4/2005|11:58:51PM|3459MHz|36â?C|4963RPM|3154RPM|69.0 0%|
|8/4/2005|11:58:21PM|3459MHz|36â?C|4963RPM|3096RPM|100. 00%|
|8/4/2005|11:57:51PM|3459MHz|29â?C|4963RPM|3125RPM|16.0 0%|
|8/4/2005|11:56:51PM|3459MHz|34â?C|4821RPM|3125RPM|71.0 0%|
|8/4/2005|11:56:21PM|3459MHz|29â?C|4963RPM|3125RPM|3.00 %|

Stock Intel cooler
|8/4/2005|1:23:25AM|3459MHz|45â?C|4530RPM|948RPM|2700RP M|0.00%|
|8/4/2005|1:22:55AM|3459MHz|58â?C|4560RPM|998RPM|2789RP M|92.00%|
|8/4/2005|1:22:25AM|3459MHz|59â?C|4560RPM|992RPM|2721RP M|100.00%|
|8/4/2005|1:21:55AM|3459MHz|60â?C|4530RPM|998RPM|2721RP M|100.00%|
|8/4/2005|1:21:25AM|3459MHz|58â?C|4560RPM|998RPM|2812RP M|100.00%|
|8/4/2005|1:20:55AM|3459MHz|59â?C|4591RPM|992RPM|2812RP M|100.00%|
|8/4/2005|1:20:25AM|3459MHz|58â?C|4560RPM|1004RPM|2836R PM|100.00%|
|8/4/2005|1:19:55AM|3459MHz|58â?C|4560RPM|998RPM|2789RP M|100.00%|
|8/4/2005|1:19:25AM|3459MHz|57â?C|4560RPM|992RPM|2766RP M|57.00%|
|8/4/2005|1:18:55AM|3459MHz|59â?C|4591RPM|998RPM|2884RP M|100.00%|
|8/4/2005|1:18:25AM|3459MHz|59â?C|4560RPM|992RPM|2721RP M|100.00%|

[swambast]

JV44, while interesting, unless I'm missing something, I don't think you did the comparison fairly (of course, I could be reading this wrong). Usually fan1 is the CPU fan with MBM, and you'll notice that your stock Intel is ALWAYS running below what your XP90C is speedwise. So of course, with the fan running at a slower RPM, you would expect a higher temp! In fact it looks like to me, the data you post shows the stock Intel ALWAYS running at lower RPMs, as well as your other fans. For example, you're taking the XP90 running at 4821RPM, and your Intel running at 4530RPM| Wouldn't it make more sense to run BOTH fans at the same RPM and test...?

[-HH-Quazi]

Originally posted by swambast:
JV44, while interesting, unless I'm missing something, I don't think you did the comparison fairly (of course, I could be reading this wrong). Usually fan1 is the CPU fan with MBM, and you'll notice that your stock Intel is ALWAYS running below what your XP90C is speedwise. So of course, with the fan running at a slower RPM, you would expect a higher temp! In fact it looks like to me, the data you post shows the stock Intel ALWAYS running at lower RPMs, as well as your other fans. For example, you're taking the XP90 running at 4821RPM, and your Intel running at 4530RPM| Wouldn't it make more sense to run BOTH fans at the same RPM and test...?

I believe that is the max speed of the fan on the stock HS m8.

[swambast]

OK then, mine are all on variable rheostats, and can be dialed up and down as needed.

But still, is that really a fair comparison - RPM to RPM?

[steve_v]

I found an old thread in the archieves on ocing a P4 to the extreme, 4.0GHz. While not dealing specifically with thremal solutions, there is alot of valuable information contained in this thread. Understanding the principles of cooling and how to achieve your goal is whats important, not the hardware used.

OK Ladies I did it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/49310655/m.../419108872#419108872 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/49310655/m/419108872/r/419108872#419108872)

[HelSqnProtos]

For TOAD


This what I normally have when playing online. You can see that I can get down pretty far with the processes and threads. This pic is showing 22, because it includes the process for viewing the taskmanager. So you can safely figure 21 or under, depending on what windows is doing.

Online I run, with HyperLobby of course, my Team Speak, FS autostart and the game. Sometimes I will add Voice Activated Commands. You have a lot of cpu that you could free up for the game. I urge you to do it.

http://www.13th-hellenicsqn.com/Images/Processes.JPG

[T_O_A_D]

I see, I made a profile for FS auto and am using it today. I still need to finish tweaking it, but I am close.

I installed the Kingwin WC, today. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Take a look at these. The black death ran for atleast 1/2 hour before screen shots.

Stock 2.4 no OC with Stock Air cooling Admitedly I had alot of stuff runnig when I took this shot, last week. I was just concerend about temps, not playablility. CPU 20 deg hotter than case temp.

http://home.mchsi.com/~t_o_a_d/stock_temps_b4_kingwin.jpg

Stock settings no Overclocking with water cooling, with FS Autostart running and shutting down unwanted processes in the background.
7 degrees warmer than case temp. Very very happy with this http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

http://home.mchsi.com/~t_o_a_d/stock_set_water_cool.jpg

Over clocked the 2.4 to 3000 mhz Only 11 degrees warmer than case. gained 600 mhz and still way below a warm temp. 57+ C This makes me wonder just how far I can go http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

http://home.mchsi.com/~t_o_a_d/3000_mhz_250_OC_WC.jpg


I did notice that the Kingwin's panel says my CPU is 2 -2 1/2 deg. cooler than my ASUS software does. I would bet the kingwin is more accurate since the probe is on the water block.

http://home.mchsi.com/~t_o_a_d/rig1.JPG

http://home.mchsi.com/~t_o_a_d/rig2.JPG

http://home.mchsi.com/~t_o_a_d/rig3.JPG

Just some shots with the lights out http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

http://home.mchsi.com/~t_o_a_d/lights1.JPG

http://home.mchsi.com/~t_o_a_d/lights2.JPG

http://home.mchsi.com/~t_o_a_d/lights3.JPG

Water blocks installed view looking up.

http://home.mchsi.com/~t_o_a_d/gpu_wb.JPG

Here I did a flip over on the PSU this will draw the hot air out of the top of case and push it on out. I had to do a slight mod to PSU bracket ground off two corners, so mounting holes lined up. I didn't feel like punching a blow hole in the top. I have a tendency to put stuff on top of the case. Since I'm not air cooling having it upside down will not hurt the case temp any.

I also made a couple of brakets and mounted a case fan to blow lower case air towards the Kingwin upper radiatior.

http://home.mchsi.com/~t_o_a_d/psu_upsidedown.JPG

I had to modify the back of the case slightly to accept the lower radiator. I remove plastic fan holder and had to drill holes for mounting screws.

Just added this bit of cardboard to direct the air a bit better toward the upper radiator. Once I decide it helps I may make one of Plastic.

http://home.mchsi.com/~t_o_a_d/MVC-004F.JPG

[HelSqnProtos]

Sweet !!!

Looks Great!

I got a new trick for this thing too.

On the main unit, take the top off. Becareful when removing it as the fan is held to the top with plastic brackets. Just a little properly applied pressure and it comes right off. Remember to note which what it was oriented so that it blows down again. I have notice a very marked decrease in sound when turning the unit to full and air flow has to be up at least 30 -40% It also facilitates easy visual confirmation that reservoir is full and airbubble free. After I took the top off, I angled the unit in such a way as to position all the air in the system at the top of the filler tube. I then just squirted in what I needed till the system was full. No muss no fuss. Full reservoir, no bubbles, increased flow, deacreased noise. WIN/WIN

I would highly recommend reading steve v's post regarding possible improvements. It really helped me out, that coupled with some fo the other tricks in here can improve the system even further. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif


Check my new temp readings vs my previous in this thread. I have increased the heat load significantly and managed to REDUCE temps. I love this thing. Cant wait to put a panaflow 120mm on the back of the secondary rad.

This unit rocks!!! There may be better out there --- But NOTHING comes close for the price.http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Below is a new reading WITH GPU CONNECTED AND OVERCLOCKED TO 610/580
Cpu is AMD 2500 xp overcloced from 1.7 to 2.5 gzh

Before GPU waterblock connected and Top of Unit removed.

http://www.13th-hellenicsqn.com/Images/mbmidle.JPG

After GPU waterblock connected and Top of Unit removed.
http://www.13th-hellenicsqn.com/Images/GpuTopoff.JPG

[T_O_A_D]

The top fan blows down? I tested mine with a piece of small paper and mine blows up??

Thats why I put in the angled fan to blow more air towards bottom of the upper radiator.

[HelSqnProtos]

Mine blows down, anyone else Quazi, urufu? Direction of air travel on main unit please?

I would tend to think up would be better though.

[-HH-Quazi]

Originally posted by HelSqnProtos:
Mine blows down, anyone else Quazi, urufu? Direction of air travel on main unit please?

I would tend to think up would be better though.

Mine blows up also.

[HelSqnProtos]

Hmmm maybe I flipped them, will try up and see temps. Maybe I can get another degree or two.

[steve_v]

Originally posted by HelSqnProtos:
Mine blows down, anyone else Quazi, urufu? Direction of air travel on main unit please?
The unit is designed for air flow to be from the top down.
The base unit includes a radiator, waterpump, reservoir and LCD control panel. There is a radiator fan in the top which exits through the bottom of the unit. http://www.overclockers.com/articles1082/index.asp

Helping to keep the water cool are the main system radiator and fan. The internal radiator features 12 passes up and down through copper fins to radiate the heat. The thin 80mm fan moves air in from the top of the unit and pushes it down through the radiator. Since this fan and radiator do not have a shroud to direct air flow, much of the air pulled down from the top of the case is just blown into the main unit, instead of right onto the radiator. http://www.bjorn3d.com/read.php?cID=656&pageID=922
Heres a pic of the top off, looking at the side facing the radiator. Notice how the fan is positioned, to move air into the radiator.
http://www.bjorn3d.com/Material/ReviewImages/Kingwin%20Arctic%20Liquid%20Cooler/alcmainfan%20(WinCE).JPG

Here is another pic from the bottom confirming airflow is from top down.
http://www.bjorn3d.com/Material/ReviewImages/Kingwin%20Arctic%20Liquid%20Cooler/alcmainbottom%20(WinCE).JPG

It wouldn't make sense to have it from the bottom up, although I am at a loss to explain why it is happening, other than the polarity/power leads are reversed or the fan has been turned over. Mechanically, a fan pulling in this configuration would be very inefficient.

Edit: I am unable to link the pics to the forum. The pics were taken from the review linked above with the quote. You can also copy/paste into the address window of explorer.

[-HH-Quazi]

This may explain one reason why I am not cooling as well as others. Also, I have a Cooler Master Stacker that will be here Wednesday. While I am moving everything from this case to the other, I am going to take the top of the unit off and see if there is anyway to create some kind of shroud. But this got me thinking. If it is meant to push air from the top to the bottom, and that most of the air is blown out the sides of the unit and never makes it through the radiator, the fact that some of the fans in these units are pulling air from the bottom to the top may allow more air to actually make it through the radiator, seeing as the bottom of the radiator is flush against the bottom and covers the entire opening. There's no where else for the air to go but through the radiator. Nevertheless, if there is a way to fit some kind of shroud or way to keep the air from blowing out of the units sides, then I may see about reversing the fan or maybe flipping it. But as it is right now, nearly all the air being pulled from the bottom to the top is making it aroung the radiators fins and tubes.

[T_O_A_D]

Well if it pulls air through rad it should expose more rad to moving air. If it is getting pushed then the center of the fan will black some of the airflow, with it so close to the rad.

I can turn mine around and push down tommorrow, and then see what it does, for temps. In the house here I have yet to get over 42 deg. Not OC.

I haven't got it stable yet while playing. With it OC. It plays tracks fine OC. I hear a screech in speakers, just before it locks. Once I heard a pilot say somethiing over and over and over, like a stuck record just beofore it died. Then another time it died, it gave me a black screen. I could still hear everyone talking, even though I had no control of the machine.

So I will have to play with settings some more, and try and figure out if its the Audigy thats fighting the OC or the Mobo.

[-HH-Quazi]

Hey, that would be great if you could. It would at least help me knowing whether or not I should spend time turning mine around when I transfer to my new case Wednesday.

It seems to be pulling very well. I can put my hand up close to the bottom of the unit and actually feel the vacuum pull from the fan.

[T_O_A_D]

Well it appears I was wrong on the direction of my fans airflow. I had assumed it would blow up since Heat rises it only made sence to move it up.

So I took the top off of the unit and flipped the fan around to blow up instead of down. So I could go with my instincs on air flow and heat rising.

It was the right thing to do. Yesterday with stock settings I had a 7 deg diferential from case temp and CPU temp with it blowing down.

Today I have a 4 deg differential. Thats 3 degrees to the good. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

My temps are all higher than yesterday, the reason why is I'm in the house Family keeps it about 78deg F in here. Out in my garage I run it on down to 65deg F I hate to sweat.

http://home.mchsi.com/~t_o_a_d/Fan_blowing_up.jpg

Here are pics of my airflow.

http://home.mchsi.com/~t_o_a_d/Air_Flow.jpg

http://home.mchsi.com/~t_o_a_d/Air_Flow_2.jpg

http://home.mchsi.com/~t_o_a_d/Airflow3.jpg

Now if you are inclined to go ahead and cut a blow hole in the top of your case, above the fan,blowing fresh air down would most likely work very well. (I would just drop something into it and fubar the whole thing. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif)

[HelSqnProtos]

Strange... I have better results with the top off and fan blowing down. Reversing fan to suck air through causes my temps to go up 6c. I am gonna go back to the blow down method personally. I guess it is very individual to case air movement dynamics. I have no case fans working at all, so I am sure that may have something to do with my different results.

TOAD I think you probably had your addon fan fighting with your main unit fan and that is why you were not getting as good results. Now that they are both inline, obviously your temps would go down http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Glad to hear your liking the unit. As for your unstable overclock, your right on the money, your pci/agp bus may not be locked ect.... I have full locks on my board so it is not such an issue, but I do this when oc friends comps. I go up gradually in increments of 100mhz and run futuremark at each one. I take the scores and compare. If the latest overclock is slower than my last overclock then I have a base point to start troubleshooting from. Hope it can be of some help.

[T_O_A_D]

Yes I'm sure the two fans were fighing. I was just hoping you wouldn't say it out loud http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Either way what ever works for us is the best answer. I have no plans of rmoving my fans and trying the otherway. It not loud at all, nothing like my old AMD gaming rig in the garage. I only use it to server games now online and LAN.

Still looking for the OC answere though http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

[-HH-Quazi]

Originally posted by T_O_A_D:
Yes I'm sure the two fans were fighing. I was just hoping you wouldn't say it out loud http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Either way what ever works for us is the best answer. I have no plans of rmoving my fans and trying the otherway. It not loud at all, nothing like my old AMD gaming rig in the garage. I only use it to server games now online and LAN.

Still looking for the OC answere though http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

If you can't figure the oc thing out, go to http://www.xtremesystems.org and visit their forums. Explain where you are at and how you got there and ask them for pointers to get you farther. I've been splittin' time between there and here for a long time. They are a helpful bunch. A bit entusiastic and xtreme, but helpful.

[HelSqnProtos]

Well I keep on being delighted with this thing. I am actually biotching now because I think my hardrives are too loud http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Did some further testing and finally downloaded the latest Cats with the ccc. I must say I like it a lot, though not thrilled with the two extra processes it jacks in. I got it so I could check my gpu temps. After 1 hour of play I online and having the gpu clock set ot 615 I never got over 45c on the gpu core. I love this thing. Quieter hardrives anyone????

[XyZspineZyX]

MAN I wish i had the money for one of those, i got a meter tall server tower that i can mod up to accomidate fans ect, i currently use a midtower wich will probably do fine, however the fans are all 88mm. Im running an xp2800 (wich runs quite hot even with 5 88mm fans on the case (not including the cpu fan, also 88mm fan/heatsink, the thing sounds like its ready to hover, im gonna see if Microbytes can give me a price for this unit (Canadian company) probably will be over 150$ but with all the pics and ideas, it sounds like a wonderful rig (im not home right now so i cannot post temps, but i will let you know as soon as i get back next week) I wonder if theres a way to get a block for your ram too...... oh well i can get heatsinks for those, awesome looking rigs guys S!

[XyZspineZyX]

see if u guys can find it here, i cant

Microbytes (http://www.microbytes.ca)

[XyZspineZyX]

wait a sec, i think i found it at NCIX at a really good price (now all i need is a credit card)

NCIX Kingwin Price (CAD) (http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=14721&vpn=AWC1&manufacture=Kingwin)

[T_O_A_D]

Yep thats it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif



Originally posted by VMF-214_Prop:
wait a sec, i think i found it at NCIX at a really good price (now all i need is a credit card)

NCIX Kingwin Price (CAD) (http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=14721&vpn=AWC1&manufacture=Kingwin)

[-HH-Quazi]

Originally posted by VMF-214_Prop:
wait a sec, i think i found it at NCIX at a really good price (now all i need is a credit card)

NCIX Kingwin Price (CAD) (http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=14721&vpn=AWC1&manufacture=Kingwin)

If you'll check eBay next week, there will be one listed $20 off retail with free shipping.

Yes, it's true. This Kingwin is a little jewel, but I have been bitten by the XtremeSystems overclocking m8's and have a custom 1/2" water cooling system on its way as I type. The Kingwin is doing a bang up job for keeping this FX-53 and X850XT PE alot cooler than any loud air cooled cpu heatsink/VGA cooler could ever do. Plus, it is silent, which was the main reason for wanting to purchase it to start with. But, what the Kingwin has allowed me to do is get a bit more of an oc, then I hit a wall. So my temps need to be as cool as a high end water cooling system can give me, then I will see exactly what this cpu will do.

I was going to keep it for any future build that may get done for the wife or kids, but, I went a little overboard spending for this water cooling system and I need to recoup all I can to justify it with the misses. Yes, I have to keep her off my back and keep peace in the house. I can't stand it any other way. HEHE

[HelSqnProtos]

Bump for Swambast

[swambast]

Thanks, HelSqnProtos. SOLD.

Just bought one yesterday, see this thread:
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/49310655/m/6651037843

[HelSqnProtos]

S~! Bump for GL

[-HH-Quazi]

Yea, I'd like to see Swambasts results or hear his thoughts since he ordered it back in August.

[swambast]

Quazi, you must have missed my post here:

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/49310655/m/1221052153

[-HH-Quazi]

Yea, I must have missed that one. Well, how about those details. I know you said it was cooling better than what you were previously using. Got any numbers? Idle temps? Load temps? What configuration did you set yours up in? I am runninf mine through both radiators then to the cpu, then to the gpu and back to the reservour. Some m8s are splitting the route up using the radiators between the cpu/gpu. And are you satisfied with the $$$ spent and the cooling you are getting?

The ambient air in my room at this time of day is 28C. I idle at 34C and get up to 46C under load (about an hours worth of straight missions). The idle temp is with the units fan on low. With the units fan on high, my idle temps will hit 32C, but it takes about 5 minutes of running it on high to get that. Load temps stay the same whether or not the unit fan is on high or low.

I think what makes this little deal such a value is that it offers a gpu waterblock as well.

[T_O_A_D]

Question guys, do you have to add water to yours from time to time?

I've had to twice now and am about to again. It has no visible leaks. Although I can smell it just like you can in a car, when its heater core goes bad.

[-HH-Quazi]

Yea, I have had to add water only once and I guess I had mine running a couple weeks before you set yours up. If you are getting that smell you mentioned, check real close for a small leak. You could place a paper towel under the unit and maybe one in the bottom of your case and let them stay there for quite a while. If there is a smal leak, you should see the wetness somewhere on the parper towel(s) and this should give you a good idea where to look for a small leak. Sometimes leaks like these are so small, it's nearly impossible to find, hence the reason behind using a paper towel to spot wetness. My guess, if it is leaking a little, is that the leak is probably coming from one of the connection points. Just guessing on this though m8.

[HelSqnProtos]

S~!

Same here Quazi and Toad. I have had to top it up a couple of times. Not a watercooling expert by any stretch of the imagination but I have been told this is normal. I used to get the smell, now I never get it anymore. I went around a few weeks after the first install and retighted the fittings.

[T_O_A_D]

Yeh I would understand it if it had a vent of some sort, but it don't its a sealed unit. I have checked fittings and done the towel thing twice now. Its weird I smell it from the fan in my case above the rear radiator. But not the fan blowing through either radiators.

[HelSqnProtos]

S~! I will have to check the manual but if I recall correctly there is something about period ic topping up. Will have to check.

[-HH-Quazi]

I believe it's just evaporation m8's. A closed unit doesn't stop evaporation. The water heats up, then cools down. This causes evaporative cooling. Gases can escape nearly anything. My guess is that it's escaping through the threaded fill port. I have read many water cooling forums and this question comes up allot. Bottomline is that if you run any type of water cooled system, you will have to refill it from time to time.

With the exception of a new cooling unit from a well known company, I forgot the name. But this unit houses the reservour filled with water and the pump on top of the waterblock and has two built in tubes going to a radiator/fan setup that connects at the 120mm exhaust port on the back on many cases. Now this unit is completely air tight and there's no evaporative cooling going on here.

But if you think about it, there are many places for a gas to escape this Kingwin unit, or really, any other watercooling setup. It's normal.

[T_O_A_D]

I figured as much too. I am blaming the tank a and the wire grommet to the pump through the tank. The fill hole has an oring, odds of an Oring doing it are slim to none, unless its got a cut,or cracked.

[Hunter82]

You guys may want to check but a sealed unit will not require 'topping off'.

I've had many systems with liquid...my current has not been topped off in a year since I had filled it.

Evaporation cannot occur in a sealed unit...it would condense again into liquid.

[-HH-Quazi]

Yea. Evidently, these units aren't air tight. And I have tightened every fitting and the fill port as tight as I can. Just wondering where the evaporation is coming from? Maybe from the place T_O_A_D mentioned.

[Hunter82]

you guys better watch then if it is not an airtight unit. During colder months you could get condensation or system movement can cause spillage. This is why I do not stock or sell these types of products (Kingwin,Koolance,etc).

I stayed out of the thread because you guys seemed happy with it. Until I saw the usual problems these types of units have becuase I didn't want it to sound like a sales pitch for the stuff I use. Monitor it very carefully.

[TheGozr]

Hunter what do you use ?
thx

[Hunter82]

I use Danger Den products. Swiftech are good also but backorder stuff for long periods of time too often.


Originally posted by TheGozr:
Hunter what do you use ?
thx

[HelSqnProtos]

S~!

One possible area of evaporation is the air bleeder port. I agree that the system is probably not sealed.

Either way is a great bang for buck and the best introductory system for water cooling in my opinion. I won't be getting rid of many ANY time soon. Gonna use it to cool my next cpu/gpu combo as well. If it aint broke it don't need fixing http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[T_O_A_D]

I agree it was a very cheap and eye opening manuver. When I upgrade to my next gaming setup I'll take Hunter under me wing, and let him line me out on the good stuff. Then put this thing to good use on My wifes machine or something.

After dipping me toes in the water me likes it. And am ready to swim the rest of me life http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[HelSqnProtos]

S~! Toad

Yes once you go water cooling there is no going back.

P.S.

You ever hear from Oddball?

[TheGozr]

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif thx. Keeping my bookmarks to date

[T_O_A_D]

No I haven't, I got it from the grapevine he will be back anytime He had to leave for a couple months. I saw another of his M8's on ICQ and he told me that. Looking forward to see him again.


Originally posted by HelSqnProtos:
S~! Toad

Yes once you go water cooling there is no going back.

P.S.

You ever hear from Oddball?

[HelSqnProtos]

S~!

Trust me Gozr if your thinking of this setup you won't go wrong. It is not the "supreme" system but for the money the performance and ease of setup is truly remarkable.

@ Toad

Thanks for the update, give my respects when you see him please.

[GT182]

HSP, don't get me wrong as it's a nice looking rig for water cooling. The only thing I can't understand is your idle and full load temps. I'm running a P4 3.2E with stock heatsink and fan and my idle temp is 26.1C to 26.4C, with full load at 32C to 39C max. All this is with air cooling only in a Thermaltake case, the one in my sig. And to be honest... I do have temp problems in VERY hot weather but not as bad as to where I have to shut down. The highest temp I seen was 39.9 and my alarm is only set to 41C.

Why does mine run cooler than water cooled? I was thinking of going to water cooled but after seeing those temps you have, I think I'll stay with air cooling. I don't understand the difference.

[FoolTrottel]

GT182 ... Are you sure those temp readings are correct?

My P4 2.4Ghz is on 43C idle ...up to 60C in game http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif
(Stock Cooler&Fan)

[HelSqnProtos]

S~!

That is NOT correct GT. I don't know where your getting those numbers sir, but a pentium E is famous for the amount of heat it puts out. I don't remember the stock wattage but it is quite high. Certainly more than your temps would indicate, your basically talking room temps here.

[GT182]

Yep, they be correct. Sorry to say it but it be true, they are not room temps. I don't think the temp monitor in my Thermaltake case would lie. It's brand new and the probe is sitting right where is should, between the CPU and motherboard.

[Urufu_Shinjiro]

Originally posted by GT182:
Yep, they be correct. Sorry to say it but it be true, they are not room temps. I don't think the temp monitor in my Thermaltake case would lie. It's brand new and the probe is sitting right where is should, between the CPU and motherboard.

Use motherboard monitor or speedfan to find the cpu die temp, I think you are getting very wrong readings on that temp probe, there is absolutely no way a pentium is running that cool on stock air, the only way would be to severely underclock it and lower the voltage. I'm not trying to slam you or burst your bubble, I'm trying to help you read your temps right, 39C max is not possible on the highest end air cooling with that cpu.

[HelSqnProtos]

S~!

I agree with urufu. I urge you to use Motherboard Monitor as well. No offense but those temps ARE incorrect. The purpose of pointing that out is definetly not to insult. We are just trying to help you have an informed understanding of your system. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif