Cliffs of Dover box art

[Feathered_IV]

Earlier today I posted this pic at the bannana lounge and I wondered what you all might think of it.
I was considering the title of the game and how it would look if the image and the name were in contrast with one another.

The Cliffs of Dover title is so very British and immediately brings a certain picture to mind. If the picture instead ran directly in counter to it, it's impact might be far more telling.
The image below uses Wiek Luijken's artwork with some very subdued text. No Spitfires, no smoke, flame or Union Jacks and symbols of RAF victory. It jars the eye and imposes itself over Britain's domminion. Conflict is inevitable.


http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd119/Feathered_IV/ProposedArt-WiekLuijken.jpg

[thefruitbat]

it looks good.

however, Ubi's already got what they want.

name, box art etc mean little to me really, its all about what the games like when i play it.

also, the name il2 meant nothing to me when i bought it, never heard of the plane, the box art was nothing special, and that didn't turn out so bad....

[stalkervision]

and on the back panel a ww2 era burlesque dancer called..

Cliffs of Dover http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

[trumper]

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif It's a cracking picture BUT i feel it needs to tell a tale that all looking at it could understand.
Maybe some bombers in the far distance below crossing over the White cliffs.
The battle of Britain film had a great one that summed it up.
Why not use a series of screen shots from the game itself,shame they won't listen to some of the talented people willing to help.

[miatacol]

From an enthusiast perspective it's awesome and a massive improvement to the actual box art. From a "catch someone's eye as they walk past it at the game store" it doesn't work at all which is why it's totally different to Ubi's box. Their only goal with box art is to grab your attention and get you to buy it so EXPLOSIONS, TONS OF PLANES, SPITFIRES!

[Mr_Zooly]

I hated the silly name since day one, The box art looks like it was done by some clueless fool that has no appreciation for the subject matter. Well it was either that or it was knocked up in about 3 mins.

[stalkervision]

Originally posted by Mr_Zooly:
I hated the silly name since day one, The box art looks like it was done by some clueless fool that has no appreciation for the subject matter. Well it was either that or it was knocked up in about 3 mins.

me too http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

[RSS-Martin]

Originally posted by miatacol:
From an enthusiast perspective it's awesome and a massive improvement to the actual box art. From a "catch someone's eye as they walk past it at the game store" it doesn't work at all which is why it's totally different to Ubi's box. Their only goal with box art is to grab your attention and get you to buy it so EXPLOSIONS, TONS OF PLANES, SPITFIRES!
Well normally marketing is about doing something original and not the thousandth rerun of what others have done countless times before.
Exactly that kind of picture you already have on that old "Battle of Britain" movie from the late sixties (although there at least they put a Hurricane at the center of attention) Pretty well every game that had the Battle of Britain as topic has come out with a very simular picture. Does anyone really want to say marketing has come to a stand still since the sixties? As to the picture itself that looks like either a rushed job done by some one who doesn´t give a hoot or by some apprentice trying to figur things out.
Not well done, but beneath the line, the contents count for me, I would buy it even if the cover art had some one mooning.

[PB0_shadow]

Originally posted by thefruitbat:
it looks good.

however, Ubi's already got what they want.


Nope.

Box art is not final

[leitmotiv]

Originally posted by Feathered_IV:
Earlier today I posted this pic at the bannana lounge and I wondered what you all might think of it.
I was considering the title of the game and how it would look if the image and the name were in contrast with one another.

The Cliffs of Dover title is so very British and immediately brings a certain picture to mind. If the picture instead ran directly in counter to it, it's impact might be far more telling.
The image below uses Wiek Luijken's artwork with some very subdued text. No Spitfires, no smoke, flame or Union Jacks and symbols of RAF victory. It jars the eye and imposes itself over Britain's domminion. Conflict is inevitable.


http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd119/Feathered_IV/Art-BOX-BoBcopy.jpg

This is art. Remember, they are marketing this stuff to 13 yr old sociopaths with hormonal anomalies and the adult equivalents! This would sell to a history-oriented person who likes fine things---Ubi would be horrified!!!!



.

[thefruitbat]

Originally posted by PB0_shadow:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by thefruitbat:
it looks good.

however, Ubi's already got what they want.


Nope.

Box art is not final </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

well like i said, i couldn't care less what the box art is.

game yes, box art no, name no.

[PB0_shadow]

Originally posted by thefruitbat:
[game yes, box art no, name no.

Game, ask 1C
Box art, ask Ubi (or not, in your case)

[trumper]

I would buy it even if the cover art had some one mooning.
Up to a point i agree, but you are preaching to the converted who will already buy.You need to get it across to those that didn't know or don't know they want it - - yet http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
It needs to leap out and scream and stranglehold the casual buyers looking at magazine adverts,internet advertising and boxes on shelves surrounded by other products,it has to scream BUY ME ,and also tell the tale in one picture and a split second. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[stalkervision]

Originally posted by trumper:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> I would buy it even if the cover art had some one mooning.
Up to a point i agree, but you are preaching to the converted who will already buy.You need to get it across to those that didn't know or don't know they want it - - yet http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
It needs to leap out and scream and stranglehold the casual buyers looking at magazine adverts,internet advertising and boxes on shelves surrounded by other products,it has to scream BUY ME ,and also tell the tale in one picture and a split second. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

UbI could introduce it in stores and put the world's stickiest spray glue on it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

with the glue remover packaged inside

[Jaws2002]

I think AFJ_Viper got the box art about right:
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/9367/il2art.jpg

[Ba5tard5word]

Where is the official box art, I don't think I've seen it anywhere.

[Romanator21]

Behold:

http://www.tothegame.com/res/game/12690/boxshot_uk_large.jpg

Note the missing spinner, and flames coming from a totally empty piece of wing which looks as though someone bit into it.

Feathered, yours is much better. "Cliffs of Dover" changes from the symbol of defiance and victory, to "the target". I don't think casual shoppers will pick it up though...

[Ba5tard5word]

Eh, could be worse. I don't really like how the He-111's look, they look kinda static and copy and pasted.

In any case so long as it's a sim sim and not an arcade sim I'll be happy. Hopefully controlling the cover art is about as intrusive as Ubi gets with the game.

[Mr_Zooly]

I would like to know why the Spitfire has what appears to be a Soviet winter skin and the pilots are not visible in both the fighters for some reason http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/disagree.gif

[DKoor]

This was working internal version.
Somehow deemed not fit to be a candidate for final release.

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o125/DKoor/101/art_box_wmce.jpg

[stalkervision]

Originally posted by DKoor:
This was working internal version.
Somehow deemed not fit to be a candidate for final release.

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o125/DKoor/101/art_box_wmce.jpg

Oh you are soo bad. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

[knightflyte]

Looking at Feather's mock up I already have the feeling of impending combat. The stomach knots up. My hands grow sweaty as I near the object of the attack. My eyes are darting looking for counter attack.

There's more character in that picture than one with 100 He 111s and Hurricanes coming to intercept. I can look at that box art and my imagination conjures up more than many other box cover renditions ever could. IOW: I like it.

Frankly, if UBI is marketing CoD to 13 year olds, they have no clue who their buying public is.

[M2morris]

Yeah, that is a beautiful shot of those 109s in formation like that. It leaves a lot to the imagination of possible things to come and it invites you to investigate the adventures ahead.


Here's an idea http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b206/planegeek/Art-BOX-BoBcopy.jpg

[Romanator21]

Maybe as a background (with planes dueling in the foreground), but certainly not as the focus of the box art.

[Mysticpuma2003]

I know I should be hard at work making Part 2 of my Checkertails Documentary, but I had a little time, and with idle hands I had a play around with a cover idea:

http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk71/Mysticpuma/CliffsofDoverConceptCoverArt.jpg

Cheers, MP

[Feathered_IV]

Originally posted by knightflyte:
Looking at Feather's mock up I already have the feeling of impending combat. The stomach knots up. My hands grow sweaty as I near the object of the attack. My eyes are darting looking for counter attack.

There's more character in that picture than one with 100 He 111s and Hurricanes coming to intercept. I can look at that box art and my imagination conjures up more than many other box cover renditions ever could. IOW: I like it.


Thanks! I thought it was just me. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

I quite like the typeface. For some of the older members here, it might bring back memories of the covers of Purnell/Ballantine, Illustrated History of WW2 books that came out during the 1970's... Loved those bloody things.

[LEBillfish]

Feathered IV, personally I think it looks great and hints at the wave of oppression that is "on the way".

M2Morrises also suits me well, yet sadly the masses want color and action not to expect to learn something.

However....Neither do I feel would help sell in the DukeNukem, GTA, Halo generation....What probably would to them would be a screenshot on "arcade" settings with a big bubble stating "kill them all", and a kill counter for that sortie at 2,374 (as clearly CoD is using the rearm-refuel mod).

K2

[stalkervision]

You guys need to have really some box art that loads the sky with german bombers IMO

Just like the real thing was http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

[stalkervision]

How about this as a follow on idea..

" Escape from Dover"

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/4977/shot478.jpg

nine count them nine..

always fly with a wingman http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

btw I got away ! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

[thefruitbat]

Originally posted by stalkervision:
How about this as a follow on idea..

" Escape from Dover"

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/4977/shot478.jpg

nine count them nine..

always fly with a wingman http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

btw I got away ! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

man that looks ugly.

by the way, it doesn't say much for the ai if you can get away from 9 planes chasing you....

[Low_Flyer_MkIX]

Box art for the downers' edition:

http://i912.photobucket.com/albums/ac325/LF_Artwork/DunkirkSpit001b.jpg

[stalkervision]

Originally posted by thefruitbat:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
How about this as a follow on idea..

" Escape from Dover"

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/4977/shot478.jpg

nine count them nine..

always fly with a wingman http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

btw I got away ! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

man that looks ugly.

by the way, it doesn't say much for the ai if you can get away from 9 planes chasing you.... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh really? You haven't flown against these guys I sure see. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I had to pull out all the stops ! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

But I was Goood http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif


you can say that when you get a copy of the game and try it...which you won't. "It's ugly.." LOL !

The ai is excellent

You only wish COD has one equivalent to it

It won't Oleg said the Il-2 ai was just fine http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Oh and the new COD FM's !

Be very very afraid.

[thefruitbat]

Originally posted by stalkervision:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by thefruitbat:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
How about this as a follow on idea..

" Escape from Dover"



nine count them nine..

always fly with a wingman http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

btw I got away ! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

man that looks ugly.

by the way, it doesn't say much for the ai if you can get away from 9 planes chasing you.... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh really? You haven't flown against these guys I sure see. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I had to pull out all the stops ! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

But I was Goood http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif


you can say that when you get a copy of the game and try it...which you won't. "It's ugly.." LOL !

The ai is excellent

You only wish COD has one equivalent to it

It won't Oleg said the Il-2 ai was just fine http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I've got it thanks.

still think it looks ugly, modded il2 looks 1000% better, let alone COD.

still think that 1 person should not be able to get away from 9 enemy planes, unless they fly like clueless wonders..

[stalkervision]

Originally posted by thefruitbat:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by thefruitbat:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
How about this as a follow on idea..

" Escape from Dover"



nine count them nine..

always fly with a wingman http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

btw I got away ! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

man that looks ugly.

by the way, it doesn't say much for the ai if you can get away from 9 planes chasing you.... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh really? You haven't flown against these guys I sure see. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I had to pull out all the stops ! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

But I was Goood http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif


you can say that when you get a copy of the game and try it...which you won't. "It's ugly.." LOL !

The ai is excellent

You only wish COD has one equivalent to it

It won't Oleg said the Il-2 ai was just fine http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I've got it thanks.

still think it looks ugly, modded il2 looks 1000% better, let alone COD.

still think that 1 person should not be able to get away from 9 enemy planes, unless they fly like clueless wonders.. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

When did you play it about fifteen revisions ago? and put it right away..LOL!

Ya sure. whatever..

Ugly ? That's you opinion. You haven't seen the new graphics either it appears.

Not a surprise

COD will no doubt trounce it's graphics but it's the other aspects of the game I worry far more about


Yup sure is ugly !

http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/1517/shot485.png

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/4518/shot361.png

http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/8207/shot099.jpg

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/1312/shot005x.jpg

[thefruitbat]

last revision i played was about a year ago.

still looked ugly. the ground textures in your screnshots are awful imo I know which i prefer,

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y290/thefruitbat1/2809201015-15-21.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y290/thefruitbat1/0411200920-00-06.jpg

and as to your speculation on the ai in COD, what model of crystal ball have you got?

and as you've made abundantly clear you have a vested interest in the ai in BoB, i'm sorry if i hurt your feelings, but it appears you only seemed to have worked on the 109....

fruitbat out.

[stalkervision]

Ya that's it. sure Um.. Right... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


You think that looks better ! WOW ! LMAO !



and as you've made abundantly clear you have a vested interest in the ai in BoB, i'm sorry if i hurt your feelings, but it appears you only seemed to have worked on the 109....

fruitbat out.

Vested interest in BOB?

What do you believe I have own stock in the game? LMAO !

I haven't played it in a long long time But I sure know a BOB BS sh-itter when I hear one Fruity my friend. Never saw you on the BOB forum in fact. ..ever

No you didn't hurt my feelings whatsoever but I believe what I posted hurt yours seeing your far over the top reaction.

Sorry...

[thefruitbat]

Originally posted by stalkervision:

You think that looks better ! WOW ! LMAO !



pretty much what i thinking about you.

agree to disagree.

oh and big lol.

[stalkervision]

Originally posted by thefruitbat:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:

You think that looks better ! WOW ! LMAO !



pretty much what i thinking about you.

agree to disagree. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Except you might try the game your dissing more then once.

[stalkervision]

Actually F/B as Leit pointed out in another thread yours is a very common reaction.

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/9203/shot6073752907.jpg

[stalkervision]

Oleg DID say the Il-2 ai was in his opinion fine. Judging by how people think about it and all the complaints this may be a slight problem.

Sorry I caused you such a stir F/B posting an example of me being chased by ai BOB spits.

I never ever have that problem with Il-2

[stalkervision]

shezz F/B I only want to post a example of what I was saying ! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Now back to the box art.

BTW I thought the follow on game "Escape from Dover"

was just peachy http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

maybe it could be a add on. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

[Mr_Zooly]

This thread seems to have gone OT and I would say that maybe another thread would be more appropriate, this one is for people whining (me especially) about the crappy box art.

[stalkervision]

Originally posted by Mr_Zooly:
This thread seems to have gone OT and I would say that maybe another thread would be more appropriate, this one is for people whining (me especially) about the crappy box art.

I like the box art http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif



They're just all COD whiners http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Shezz now we are complaining about the box art?

wait for the game to do that. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[PB0_shadow]

Originally posted by stalkervision:
[ Shezz now we are complaining about the non final box art?

wait for the game to do that. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

fixed

[stalkervision]

Originally posted by PB0_shadow:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
[ Shezz now we are complaining about the non final box art?

wait for the game to do that. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

fixed </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

[stalkervision]

Box art on models is important to me but not so much in a game.

[knightflyte]

The reworked AI in BoB:WoV was pretty good IMO. The plane models were adequate if not sometimes almost as good as IL2. Damage model was horrible. The scenery was a draw back, but still very serviceable.

Visually I'll take IL2, hands down. AI? BoB:WoV. FMs were good for both I thought.

I must say I HATED that Brit yelling in my ear, "SHOOT HIM!!!!!!"

"Who?" The only guy in front of me is more than 500 meters away. Shuddup already!"

"SHOOT HIM!!!!"

Oh brother. LOL

[thefruitbat]

roflmao, 4 more posts after i stopped responding.

and you think i'm bothered http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

[stalkervision]

Originally posted by thefruitbat:
roflmao, 4 more posts after i stopped responding.

and you think i'm bothered http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Who are you kidding we both know you were. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

[stalkervision]

Originally posted by knightflyte:
The reworked AI in BoB:WoV was pretty good IMO. The plane models were adequate if not sometimes almost as good as IL2. Damage model was horrible. The scenery was a draw back, but still very serviceable.

Visually I'll take IL2, hands down. AI? BoB:WoV. FMs were good for both I thought.

I must say I HATED that Brit yelling in my ear, "SHOOT HIM!!!!!!"

"Who?" The only guy in front of me is more than 500 meters away. Shuddup already!"

"SHOOT HIM!!!!"

Oh brother. LOL

The "shoot them" complaint was a common thing but I believe you can edit that right out. I believe I turned off the squadron voice because it was annoying me.

your squadron mates do come to your rescue when you call them unless they're very busy.

In Il-2 they do when they feel like it.

I believe in BOB there is also a nice request you can ask your squadron leader for directions back to the group in case you get separated.

I don't recall if Il-2 has this but it is a real nice feature.

Not to worried about BOB anymore seeing that COD finally is rearing it's head.

BOB does have an awful lot of nice features I hope Oleg swiped from the game. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

The one thing that saddens me is the merlin engine really needs about the most powerful computers in existence to get all the best out of it unlike early Il-2 versions that would run on a weaker system just fine.

Hope COD is like the early Il-2 was.

[knightflyte]

For some reason I never experimented fully with config file in BoB.

I know there were a ton and a half of options to select.

I had a hard time getting used to the track IR with the 6 DoF. SeaBee had a tutorial, but I could get tit to where I was comfortable.... especially in 109s which were what I preferred to fly.

[stalkervision]

Originally posted by knightflyte:
For some reason I never experimented fully with config file in BoB.

I know there were a ton and a half of options to select.

I had a hard time getting used to the track IR with the 6 DoF. SeaBee had a tutorial, but I could get tit to where I was comfortable.... especially in 109s which were what I preferred to fly.


With the options you could completely tailor the game to your personal likes.

Great feature

A lot of people had the track IR right down and wouldn't fly without it.


I really should have given it a try. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

The 109 was your bird of choice.

You must be a good pilot. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif


Most people couldn't learn how to land her.

[DKoor]

Ultimate aces fly without trackir, only num part of keyboard using for viewing the world around from their (pre-MG151 fixed) Bf-109 pits.

Hartmann 1337!!!2

[knightflyte]

Originally posted by stalkervision:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by knightflyte:
For some reason I never experimented fully with config file in BoB.

I know there were a ton and a half of options to select.

I had a hard time getting used to the track IR with the 6 DoF. SeaBee had a tutorial, but I could get tit to where I was comfortable.... especially in 109s which were what I preferred to fly.


With the options you could completely tailor the game to your personal likes.

Great feature

A lot of people had the track IR right down and wouldn't fly without it.


I really should have given it a try. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

The 109 was your bird of choice.

You must be a good pilot. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif


Most people couldn't learn how to land her. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


I like BnZ. Even TnB'ers I fly BnZ.

Landing wasn't my problem in the 109..... most of the time. Taking off was a biotch for me. Go figure.

My nephew was getting into flight sims, and since I was not flying BoB at the time I let him have it. Not sure if he had just watched the BoB movie and was excited about Hurries and 109s or not.



LOL DKoor. I'll paint by numbers, but I won't sim by numbers. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

[stalkervision]

Originally posted by DKoor:
Ultimate aces fly without trackir, only num part of keyboard using for viewing the world around from their (pre-MG151 fixed) Bf-109 pits.

Hartmann 1337!!!2

I'm an expert with the hat switch. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

[stalkervision]

Originally posted by knightflyte:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by knightflyte:
For some reason I never experimented fully with config file in BoB.

I know there were a ton and a half of options to select.

I had a hard time getting used to the track IR with the 6 DoF. SeaBee had a tutorial, but I could get tit to where I was comfortable.... especially in 109s which were what I preferred to fly.


With the options you could completely tailor the game to your personal likes.

Great feature

A lot of people had the track IR right down and wouldn't fly without it.


I really should have given it a try. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

The 109 was your bird of choice.

You must be a good pilot. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif


Most people couldn't learn how to land her. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


I like BnZ. Even TnB'ers I fly BnZ.

Landing wasn't my problem in the 109..... most of the time. Taking off was a biotch for me. Go figure.



LOL DKoor. I'll paint by numbers, but I won't sim by numbers. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Your different that's for sure but taking off with the 109 wasn't a picnic either.

All one has to do is go to youtube and see how difficult a 109 really is the take off and land compared to a spit or Hurricane.

If oleg even gets that close to half right they will need a separate thread for just this problem.

I can see it now.."I crashed my 109 for the thirteenth time straight,what do I do now?"

The 109 will make a awful lot of guys switch sides or fly the Me-110. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[knightflyte]

You learn not to floor the throttle to the gate, that's for sure. Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! BOOM!

[stalkervision]

Originally posted by knightflyte:
You learn not to floor the throttle to the gate, that's for sure. Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! BOOM!

Your not the only one who did it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blush.gif

sometimes I was rushing to get airborne and WAM!

I truly believe 109 pilots were far more worried about take offs and landings then the missions they flew.

[knightflyte]

I think landings and take offs wouldn't have been as hard in BoB if you could get a feel of the torque. I had a hard time gauging it without FF, and consequently ended up over steering. One tip of the wing and BoOoOoOoM!

In flight I didn't have that problem. Hmmmmm. On landing I did do extended glides so I came in real slow with no throttle applied. Easy Peasy.

[knightflyte]

There were patches in IL@ where I thought the AI was really good, and actually would have sweaty palms. But Bob was a lot more consistent in that area of flight simming.

AI is going to be make or break for me in CoD. I'll buy it out of the gate, but I will be critical of the AI toward my next purchase should the AI be bad.

[stalkervision]

Originally posted by knightflyte:
I think landings and take offs wouldn't have been as hard in BoB if you could get a feel of the torque. I had a hard time gauging it without FF, and consequently ended up over steering. One tip of the wing and BoOoOoOoM!

In flight I didn't have that problem. Hmmmmm. On landing I did do extended glides so I came in real slow with no throttle applied. Easy Peasy.


You know I had that in my old microsoft FF stick and it crapped out on me.

That stick truly made the game come alive. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

[stalkervision]

Originally posted by knightflyte:
There were patches in IL@ where I thought the AI was really good, and actually would have sweaty palms. But Bob was a lot more consistent in that area of flight simming.

AI is going to be make or break for me in CoD. I'll buy it out of the gate, but I will be critical of the AI toward my next purchase should the AI be bad.

Ya the patches helped quite a lot but as you said they weren't perfect.

YUP the AI will certainly make or break it for me too.

I hear you

[knightflyte]

Originally posted by stalkervision:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by knightflyte:
There were patches in IL@ where I thought the AI was really good, and actually would have sweaty palms. But Bob was a lot more consistent in that area of flight simming.

AI is going to be make or break for me in CoD. I'll buy it out of the gate, but I will be critical of the AI toward my next purchase should the AI be bad.

Ya the patches helped quite a lot but as you said they weren't perfect.

YUP the AI will certainly make or break it for me too.

I hear you </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


I don't like the AI in IL2 at all. Haven't flown 4.10, but 4.09 wasn't any fun for me.

[Bearcat99]

I never really liked BoBII .. I just couldn't get into it..

[DKoor]

But it had its moments... I very much disliked the concept tho.
You are some sort of general-tactician and also a pilot?! Never could get into it really. However the game is nicely done, flying and hitting something is everything but easy, but I feel IL-2 is much much more ahead in just about every game aspect.

[stalkervision]

Originally posted by DKoor:
But it had its moments... I very much disliked the concept tho.
You are some sort of general-tactician and also a pilot?! Never could get into it really. However the game is nicely done, flying and hitting something is everything but easy, but I feel IL-2 is much much more ahead in just about every game aspect.



I never played the tactical end for the same reason but I should have tried it. One can throw oneself into a mission you have set up before and get into the meat of the battle.

I almost always played the quick missions

You would think that might be boring but it isn't whatsoever because while they begin the same in a half second that all changes just like real combat. It's always different with different outcomes.

What I loved was THE BIG MISSIONS with hundred and hundreds of aircraft.

Those are truly breathtaking

The one problem is if you don't have a uber computer like I don't the frame rate goes right down in the largest dog fights. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Hope COD is better.

[kimosabi79]

I don't like the box art on CoD:IL-2 if that's how it's going to look. These things matters to me so I sent my own box art suggestion to 1C:

http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/4945822/1024/Random/ugly-chick-2.jpg

They replied very positively so fingers crossed Gents!

[Mercanario]

A typical English wench, thats why i moved to Australia

[Mercanario]

Originally posted by Feathered_IV:
Earlier today I posted this pic at the bannana lounge and I wondered what you all might think of it.
I was considering the title of the game and how it would look if the image and the name were in contrast with one another.

The Cliffs of Dover title is so very British and immediately brings a certain picture to mind. If the picture instead ran directly in counter to it, it's impact might be far more telling.
The image below uses Wiek Luijken's artwork with some very subdued text. No Spitfires, no smoke, flame or Union Jacks and symbols of RAF victory. It jars the eye and imposes itself over Britain's domminion. Conflict is inevitable.


http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd119/Feathered_IV/ProposedArt-WiekLuijken.jpg i might print that off and stick it onto my COD box...
" It jars the eye and imposes itself over Britain's domminion. Conflict is inevitable.", thats cool..

[kimosabi79]

Fruitbat told me I killed this thread. He was wrong. No feedback from 1C yet I'm afraid.

Those 109's look mighty fine. I want one.

[Mr_Zooly]

posting pictures of androgynous underwear models makes you a sick man Kimo http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

[arthursmedley]

Originally posted by kimosabi79:
Fruitbat told me I killed this thread. He was wrong.


Bloody good try though, Kimo! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif

That box art with the three 109's is really fantastic and works on oh-so-many levels. It even gives the title "Cliffs of Dover" proper context and meaning.
IF you know anything about WW2. The problem for Ubisoft and 1c is they've got to grab the attention of shoppers in Walmart, Game and Tescos. It's a beauty contest for the attention and wallet of Jo Average.

I read somewhere, probably on here, that IL2 in it's various incarnations has sold nearly a millon copies over the years. I wonder how many of them are being regularly used now? Most game software ends up in the trash,given away or just lost for a variety of reasons.

I'm an enthusiast but my copy of Lock On is lost behind the book case somewhere and my copy of CFS3 is still doing a grand job helping to prop up my brother-in-law's workbench in his garage.

For most buyers CoD will be a brief fling cut short by other interests, or they can't be bothered to learn how it all works or their pc will run it like a magic lantern show and they'll give up quickly. A few, a very few will end up here! Good luck to 'em http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

[ins-a-nity]

i had the 3 109's as my deskop background years ago, anyone know where i can get again?

[PB0_shadow]

Originally posted by arthursmedley:
The problem for Ubisoft and 1c is they've got to grab the attention of shoppers in Walmart, Game and Tescos. It's a beauty contest for the attention and wallet of Jo Average.


Maybe not. Given the time of year of release of the game, I think they won't care for Joe average but rely on simmers & commnunity, and possibly, the quality of the game to sell itself.

One million copy is quite good for a PC game and for a simulation, but it's not that huge compared to other Ubi games; plus that figures is for almost 10 years, several installments & add ons...
How many copies did WOP sell?

That said I really like the 109s cover

[kimosabi79]

Originally posted by Mr_Zooly:
posting pictures of androgynous underwear models makes you a sick man Kimo http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

Probably, but it's more funner! Yeah!

Thanks Arthur, did my best. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Urufu_Shinjiro]

Check out the Il-2 facebook page, the linked to this thread and the proposed box art in the OP!