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Tfrogs1
11-18-2007, 08:57 PM
Howdy y'all,
I'm considering buying Vista Home Premium 32-bit OEM as an upgrade for my XP Media Centre.
Tried a bit of googling but can't really find what I'm after, so I thought I'd come here... so, what issues are there with Vista and is it worth the AU$132? It can handle 4gb ram, yes? Is the copy protection evil? Is the OS stable?

Thankye

VTAssault
11-18-2007, 09:19 PM
No.

People are saying Vista is a dead OS now, because microsoft refuses to fix some critical errors in it. Most companies are going to stick with XP till microsoft releases its next OS (or fixes Vista).

Stick with XP right now. The only benefit of Vista is to play Halo 2 (which you can mod to work on XP anyway).

Aj6627
11-18-2007, 09:26 PM
I have had no problems with it, and I've been running it for over a year now.(since a little before Beta 2)

Right now I'm running 32-bit OEM Ultimate. I love it.

VT, have you used Vista? If so, then what critical errors are in it that you've experienced?

VTAssault
11-18-2007, 09:42 PM
I dont run vista, so I guess i am just speaking for other people. I have several friends who run vista (and while some might not actually say it) they dont like it and want to go back.

As for critical errors, sometimes it stops booting at the dos screen (where you can access bios), or will try and boot from a printer and end up having to be restarted. It also has frequent problems with networking to routers.

The rest is just preset stuff that makes things painful (like trying to burn to the wrong drive, DVD-ROM instead of DVD-RW ROM)

Also the aero thingy (invisible border stuff) takes up ALOT of processing power when shuffling windows around, and alot of memory to run.

One of my friends bought it as a Dell setup it comes with Macafee security suite or whatever, which always pulls random **** and makes the computer run funky. Plus you cant get rid of it without killing your comp (like uninstalling IE or something).

Aj6627
11-18-2007, 10:43 PM
I've never had any of those problems, and I run it on my desktop and my school laptop, but each to his own I guess.

VTAssault
11-18-2007, 10:51 PM
Yeah i really guess it the luck of the draw.

Id say to hell with it, buy it and try it, and if it doesnt work for you (too many problems, doesnt work with your computers specs, whatever) just go back to XP and return Vista.

Make sure you backup ALL your files onto a external source. Otherwise your gonna hate yourself if you want to go back.

quillan
11-19-2007, 07:57 AM
Aj, do you play games on your computer? I have a friend who tried it and went back to XP Pro, because a lot of his programs wouldn't run correctly (or at all) in Vista. He couldn't play either Bioshock or Crysis in Vista.

Tfrogs1
11-19-2007, 02:05 PM
Hmmm, program compatibility is a definite selling point for me (although games moreso for my brother than me). I suppose I could make a small partition on one of my drives for Vista, so that it's easy enough to go back... thanks for the advice chums.

Aj6627
11-19-2007, 03:47 PM
I have had very little problems with games.

Bioshock's Demo and Crysis' demo run fine on mine.

The only ones I have issues with are CoD1 and RvS. Both were easily fixed with running in compatibility mode, and I believe a driver update for CoD1.

WhiteKnight77
11-19-2007, 05:45 PM
I have Vista on a laptop and though I only have a minor problem with one program (it still works mind you), I can play SimCity 4 Deluxe, Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy, Ground Control and Ghost Recon on it.

While there may have been a few bugs to begin with for some users, I haven't noticed any. There have been security fixes (all OS's have security problems even Apple had to release a massive patch to fix security problems with OSX recently) and SP one is due early next year.

Yes, you do need plenty of memory, but with some of the new games coming out, you need plenty of memory for them too.

One thing, when you do install it, make sure you do a fresh install and not just an upgrade.

GrImReApEr192
11-19-2007, 05:52 PM
So it's kinda like the 360's?
Some work,some have problems.

halo_99
11-19-2007, 06:11 PM
NOOOOOOOOO

MeloniesHomeboy
11-19-2007, 06:34 PM
Vista will murder your family. ITS NOT SAFE.

Aj6627
11-19-2007, 07:31 PM
For all the people saying no: have you used it?

VTAssault
11-19-2007, 07:55 PM
Safety is not guaranteed.

AJ, no we havent used it. But with all the overwhelmingly bad feedback from so many varied sources it just seems like its bad.

Plus several trusted computer websites i go to say not to use it until Microsoft fixes some stuff.

But Grims right, its definitely 50/50 of whether it will work for you or not (although you probably will still find some small problems, nothing to stop you from using it though).

I still say dont use it (your partition idea is pretty good too), because chances are somethings gonna not work for you.

ROLNIK
11-19-2007, 10:18 PM
Wait 1-2 years 'till it gets more stable just to be sure, but for now use only XP.

Tfrogs1
11-19-2007, 10:41 PM
Originally posted by WhiteKnight77:
One thing, when you do install it, make sure you do a fresh install and not just an upgrade.

Oh, why's that? Would it mess with all my already-installed programs?

quillan
11-20-2007, 07:34 AM
Upgrades rarely work perfectly, as there are always traces of the old code left floating around. It's the same reason they usually recommend you remove your old video card drivers before installing the new ones, to avoid conflicts. I tried it once, when I upgraded from 98 to XP, and I had to reformat the drive and completely reinstall a week later. Performance was atrocious.

MadamTampini
11-20-2007, 09:38 AM
I FLIPPING HATE Vista. My laptop has it, and if I could install Windows XP on it, I WOULD.

Tfrogs1
11-21-2007, 05:17 AM
Well I've ordered it anyway. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif Should get it sometime over the next week.

Tried to make a new partition for it but having trouble... so if i choose to do a fresh install (either on my XP drive or other currently-non-OS drives), will it have to format or just make a new user and keep all the files intact? I remember with XP it can be made to do either, but I suppose it's probably different going from XP to Vista... or does the Vista setup have its own partition manager that'll let me create one out of my XP drive?

WhiteKnight77
11-21-2007, 08:00 AM
Do you have a blank HDD or one with just data files on it? If so, you can install Vista on that drive (after moving the files to the XP drive). Move that drive to the primary position on the cable (if using PATA) and then install Vista. Once done, reinstall the XP drive (this saves you from having to reformat and keeps everything intact and usable, I have 3 drives, 2 with XP and one with 2000 that if the primary drive takes a ****, I still have an install of an OS and will not loose a lot of stuff.) in the secondary position. Make sure both drives are set to cable select so Windows sees both drives properly.

Jackie Fiest
11-21-2007, 10:05 AM
Originally posted by WhiteKnight77:
one with 2000 that if the primary drive takes a ****, I still have an install of an OS

Wow...my PC can't do that. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Tfrogs1
11-21-2007, 01:55 PM
I've got 3 sata drives, two with XP and one with just files. So if I move those files to another drive, I can install Vista, move the files back, and then choose which OS to load at boot? Schweeto, thanks.

WhiteKnight77
11-21-2007, 06:39 PM
No, I didn't say you could choose with OS to load at startup that way, I just stated you could have the OSes installed that way. Still, If your BIOS allows you to choose which drive to use at startup, you could change it prior to starting, but that is a big pain in the arse if ya ask me.

If you wish to do the dual-boot thing, do a fresh install of XP, after formating your drive into 2 partitions of the size you want. Once XP is installed, install Vista on the second partition. That way you can choose which OS you wish to use without having to go into the BIOS.

WhiteKnight77
11-21-2007, 06:40 PM
Originally posted by TFS_Jackie:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WhiteKnight77:
one with 2000 that if the primary drive takes a ****, I still have an install of an OS

Wow...my PC can't do that. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Smart-***. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Jackie Fiest
11-21-2007, 06:44 PM
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WhiteKnight77
11-21-2007, 09:07 PM
Originally posted by TFS_Jackie:
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If we keep this up, some may think we are married. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Jackie Fiest
11-21-2007, 09:26 PM
Originally posted by WhiteKnight77:
If we keep this up, some may think we are married. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Nah, they will think we are married when you start showing up on the forum a broken man with tears and strap marks... LOL http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif


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Stealth_chill
11-21-2007, 09:30 PM
Originally posted by TFS_Jackie:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WhiteKnight77:
If we keep this up, some may think we are married. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Nah, they will think we are married when you start showing up on the forum a broken man with tears and strap marks... LOL http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif


http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Jackie Fiest
11-21-2007, 09:36 PM
You will get it when you're older, my dear. lol

Tfrogs1
11-22-2007, 04:04 AM
Originally posted by WhiteKnight77:
No, I didn't say you could choose with OS to load at startup that way, I just stated you could have the OSes installed that way. Still, If your BIOS allows you to choose which drive to use at startup, you could change it prior to starting, but that is a big pain in the arse if ya ask me.

If you wish to do the dual-boot thing, do a fresh install of XP, after formating your drive into 2 partitions of the size you want. Once XP is installed, install Vista on the second partition. That way you can choose which OS you wish to use without having to go into the BIOS.

Oh, just that I seem to recall that when I had the beta (didn't use it much though... probably should've...), XP was on one drive and Vista on a separate partition of another, and I was able to choose "earlier version" or "windows vista" at startup. Although I could be wrong about that. Meh, I'll find a way...

Aj6627
11-22-2007, 07:59 AM
You can still do that.http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

ROLNIK
11-22-2007, 12:16 PM
Originally posted by TFS_Jackie:
You will get it when you're older, my dear. lol
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pwnd!

WhiteKnight77
11-22-2007, 05:15 PM
Originally posted by Tfrogs1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WhiteKnight77:
No, I didn't say you could choose with OS to load at startup that way, I just stated you could have the OSes installed that way. Still, If your BIOS allows you to choose which drive to use at startup, you could change it prior to starting, but that is a big pain in the arse if ya ask me.

If you wish to do the dual-boot thing, do a fresh install of XP, after formating your drive into 2 partitions of the size you want. Once XP is installed, install Vista on the second partition. That way you can choose which OS you wish to use without having to go into the BIOS.

Oh, just that I seem to recall that when I had the beta (didn't use it much though... probably should've...), XP was on one drive and Vista on a separate partition of another, and I was able to choose "earlier version" or "windows vista" at startup. Although I could be wrong about that. Meh, I'll find a way... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I did tell you the best way to dual boot so you can choose at startup, do the fresh install of both onto seperate partitions on the same drive of that drive you have just files on (after you move them to the other drive you already have XP on).

scworld
11-22-2007, 06:21 PM
For the answer to "Is Vista safe?", wait for the reviews of the first Service Pack. Then wait another 2 months to see if people are complaining alot. Then buy it if it's good.

VTAssault
11-22-2007, 09:04 PM
Initial reviews say SP1 for vista doesnt do a whole lot in the way of improving performance, or addressing some of the compatibility issues.

Nicole7053
11-22-2007, 11:44 PM
Originally posted by MadamTampini:
I FLIPPING HATE Vista. My laptop has it, and if I could install Windows XP on it, I WOULD.
YOUR laptop, eh? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif
I agree though, Vista sucks. I'd pick XP over Vista ANY DAY.

Tfrogs1
11-23-2007, 11:43 PM
So far so good.
I have XP on my first drive and Vista on a partition of the same. A few compatibility errors, most of which I've managed to fix... goes strangely slow every now and then but I get the feeling that when I finish setting everything up it'll be fine.
... dang does it look sexay! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

MadamTampini
11-24-2007, 05:05 AM
Originally posted by Nicole7053:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MadamTampini:
I FLIPPING HATE Vista. My laptop has it, and if I could install Windows XP on it, I WOULD.
YOUR laptop, eh? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif
I agree though, Vista sucks. I'd pick XP over Vista ANY DAY. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blush.gif