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Goose_Green
01-17-2007, 08:11 PM
As mentioned in the thread started by Viking Grandad after his trip to Germany last year, I mentioned my plan of visiting Germany mainly to visit the Marine Memorial and U-995 in Laboe.

Well I have at last booked it and I am really looking forward to it. I'm staying in Hamburg for a couple of days with the intention of driving up to Laboe for the day and seeing U-995 and the memorial while the second day will be a quick tour around Hamburg itself.

If possible I would appreciate any recommendations with regards to the cuisine and beer - such as the popular/traditional German dishes and any interesting beer too. Also if possible, any helpful tips from anyone who regularly uses the roads in Germany, since I will be using a hire car for the day. Even though I drive trucks for a living it's been a while since I have driven on the continent.

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edjcox
01-17-2007, 09:26 PM
Make sure you find a decent Bratwurst stand and order it with Sauerkraut und Senf... You'll quickly find out the spicy mustard Senf is great..

Try a dunkel beer (dark more like stout)...



Brotchen und Cafe butter and jelly are typical breakfast fare.

Driving is no problem just watch the International signs. Pay attention to no parking as the fines are hefty...

When on the road yield if you get flashed from behind as they are trying to pass..

Be cautious in towns as Bicycles are the norm in many places and pedestrians are king...

Do not use a cell while driving....

Stay away from the Red light districts or you'll bring home more than you ever wanted...

Have fun and try and talk with people. If you are freindly they will be to...

TheRealPotoroo
01-18-2007, 12:07 AM
It's been 14 years since I was in Hamburg so I'm reluctant to recommend anything. I will however endorse the suggestion that you do not sit in the fast lane, as is the practice in Britain.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Realjambo
01-18-2007, 01:16 AM
In case you haven't looked yet Goose:

Hamburg Tourist Office (http://www.hamburg-tourism.de/index.php?id=2&L=1)

A Bloggers Hamburg Site (http://visithamburg.blogspot.com/)

Oh, and don't go too mad gift hunting for all of us, give yourself a little time to enjoy your trip http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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TheRealPotoroo
01-18-2007, 01:32 AM
Originally posted by Realjambo:
Oh, and don't go too mad gift hunting for all of us, give yourself a little time to enjoy your trip http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
Quite right. The last thing he should do is waste time looking for the last 939 X2 4600 in Germany just for you!<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Goose_Green
01-18-2007, 01:58 AM
Originally posted by TheRealPotoroo:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Realjambo:
Oh, and don't go too mad gift hunting for all of us, give yourself a little time to enjoy your trip http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
Quite right. The last thing he should do is waste time looking for the last 939 X2 4600 in Germany just for you! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Thanks for the comments guys.

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VikingGrandad
01-18-2007, 02:29 AM
Try the Hamburg pub guide (http://www.xs4all.nl/%7Epatto1ro/hambpubs.htm). The guy who writes this website is a proper beer expert, but can be rather over-opinionated at times. His pages on Munich's pubs, breweries and beers were certainly helpful for my visit http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Goose_Green
01-18-2007, 02:38 AM
Thanks VG, I will have a look later. Do you speak any German?<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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VikingGrandad
01-18-2007, 03:00 AM
I only know some 'tourist' German - enough to read a menu, order food and drink, read street signs, etc.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Celeon999
01-18-2007, 05:05 AM
Celeon made a little collection of useful articles from the "Germany Survival Bible" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Especially the first one is important for you. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

How not to die on German roads (http://www.spiegel.de/international/0,1518,414677,00.html)


Humility, Heaven and Hell (http://www.spiegel.de/international/0,1518,412231,00.html)


The Land of Beer, Sausage and Sex Shops (http://www.spiegel.de/international/0,1518,408826,00.html)

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Kaleun1961
01-18-2007, 01:35 PM
Celeon, great links! I especially loved the first one. I truly wish somebody would write a book for lazy Canadian motorists, something like "Driving in Canada for Dummies." God knows, there is a very large community of dummies driving cars here. Come to think of it, perhaps that should be my first writing endeavour.

My first observation would most likely be: "If you are being passed on the right while on a multilane highway, you are in the wrong lane." So many idiots over here think the middle lane is the lane to be in. They actually think they are safer there: "From this lane, I have two possible escapes if I get into trouble." Wrong, dummie! It means you are blocking traffic and more likely to cause or be involved in an accident as people try to pass you on both sides. Here in Ontario, there are way too many idiots who occupy a middle lane for their whole highway journey, regardless of how slowly they drive in comparison to others or how many people pass them on both sides. It is not illegal to pass on the right in Ontario. One thing I have noticed when I visit Britain is a better sense of lane discipline. Some of you Britons may be thinking, "Yeah, right!" as you read this, but compared to Canadians, you are the tops. [I've yet to visit continental Europe.] I have the opinion, not firsthand but from other sources, that Germans are more aware of occupying the correct lane for their travelling speed on the highways.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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geoffwessex
01-18-2007, 02:19 PM
Originally posted by Kaleun1961:
Celeon, great links! I especially loved the first one. I truly wish somebody would write a book for lazy Canadian motorists, something like "Driving in Canada for Dummies." God knows, there is a very large community of dummies driving cars here. Here in Ontario, there are way too many idiots who occupy a middle lane for their whole highway journey, regardless of how slowly they drive in comparison to others or how many people pass them on both sides. It is not illegal to pass on the right in Ontario. One thing I have noticed when I visit Britain is a better sense of lane discipline.

Good grief! Exactly what I'd been thinking! I get told I'm being much too fussy. On my first drives along the 401 & QEW (Kingston to Niagara) I was quite happy in the right-hand lane keeping to the speed limit until I kept coming up to slower cars and trucks on the outside lane (what I'd consider the overtaking lane, but apparently not here). Not wishing to overtake them (or is it "undertake" them?) on the inside, I've slowed down for a while, but eventually end up driving behind them (though not as closely as Canadians normally do - haven't they heard of 'braking distances'?) until they see sense or pulls off. Anyway, perhaps this isn't the best Forum for Canadian Driving Skills -- I could go on at length about it!<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

Geoff Wessex, Ontario

Goose_Green
01-18-2007, 05:32 PM
Thanks for the links Celeon http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

BTW to prove my German is improving links is german for left http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Kaleun1961
01-18-2007, 05:55 PM
Originally posted by geoffwessex:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kaleun1961:
Celeon, great links! I especially loved the first one. I truly wish somebody would write a book for lazy Canadian motorists, something like "Driving in Canada for Dummies." God knows, there is a very large community of dummies driving cars here. Here in Ontario, there are way too many idiots who occupy a middle lane for their whole highway journey, regardless of how slowly they drive in comparison to others or how many people pass them on both sides. It is not illegal to pass on the right in Ontario. One thing I have noticed when I visit Britain is a better sense of lane discipline.

Good grief! Exactly what I'd been thinking! I get told I'm being much too fussy. On my first drives along the 401 & QEW (Kingston to Niagara) I was quite happy in the right-hand lane keeping to the speed limit until I kept coming up to slower cars and trucks on the outside lane (what I'd consider the overtaking lane, but apparently not here). Not wishing to overtake them (or is it "undertake" them?) on the inside, I've slowed down for a while, but eventually end up driving behind them (though not as closely as Canadians normally do - haven't they heard of 'braking distances'?) until they see sense or pulls off. Anyway, perhaps this isn't the best Forum for Canadian Driving Skills -- I could go on at length about it! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Tell your wife [or whomever it is] that you are not being fussy. Most any 18-wheeler driver like me will tell you the same thing. We are more acutely aware of it, as we are not allowed in the leftmost lane on most major highways. This means that on a three lane highway, the middle lane is our passing lane. All it takes to bung things up is some dope in the centre lane matching the speed of the fellow in the right lane to cause a backup of trucks who wish to pass. Sometimes I see this while in my car and I have mercy on the truckers and open up the right lane. Truckers don't like to pass on the right, but sometimes it just has to be done.

I'm aware of the flaws of truckers as well, but for this discussion I am focusing on four-wheelers. I may be prejudiced in my opionions, but I seem to find more women are prone to this centre lane hogging. Perhaps they do so out of some misplaced sense of security? "Foreigners" seem fond of this practice as well. Since they make up a large part of the population of the Toronto area, I am no longer surprised when I see it is an Asian or East Indian driver plodding along under the speed limit in the middle lane.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Goose_Green
01-18-2007, 06:05 PM
@K61 - Your comments are very true over here in the UK, my truck is limited to about 55mph, which menas that when I'm on the motorway I'm flat out with no room to accelerate. The middle lane is my overtaking lane, what really annoys me are the cars that drive slower than me and then accelerate when I get broadside to them, then slow down after I have moved back into the slow lane - only to start the overtaking process again to no avail.

Personally, people like this should be banned from the motorway and in most cases shot at dawn - so there http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

Anyway, after reading that article on driving in Germany I think I will leave the Autobahn alone while driving to and from Laboe. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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TheRealPotoroo
01-18-2007, 07:32 PM
Originally posted by Goose_Green:
Anyway, after reading that article on driving in Germany I think I will leave the Autobahn alone while driving to and from Laboe. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif
Autobahns are fun!

I lived in the Netherlands in the early '90s and just after Christmas '92 I drove to Hamburg to visit an ex-work colleague who had married a German lass and was living there. My company car was a BMW 318 I'd tricked out with the sports suspension, etc, and in passing I must say that car changed my opinion about small cars. Anyway, at that time of year northern Germany is like a picture postcard, white as far as the eye can see, very pretty and very, very different for an Australian (most of whom never see snow except on TV).

On my way home I was cruising along between Bremen and the Dutch border at a comfy 180 or so when for no apparent reason the car just moved sideways about 3 feet. Hmmm, must be black ice, I thought, so I slowed down to 150 until I hit the border and speed limits again. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif

In my experience the Germans are the most lane disciplined drivers I've encountered, marginally more even than the Dutch. They need to be. I've been doing close to 200 on an Autobahn and been passed like I was standing still. Trundling along in the fast lane and belatedly deciding to make way when the car behind is up your clacker simply isn't a viable option.

In '93 I took the car on the ferry across to Britain for a touring holiday. Going from Folkeston to Edinburgh and back I encountered my fair share of idiots in the fast lane for no apparent reason. Apparently British cars are not equipped with rear vision mirrors.

My one experience of driving in Canada was a trip I made with a colleague from Boston, where we were at a conference, to Ottowa. I don't remember the traffic being too awful, although we were driving to a schedule and simply overtook anyone in the wrong lane and didn't think about it.

Australians have mediocre lane discipline too, although at least we know what lanes are for, unlike drivers in SE Asia. Having said that, you can tell the regular drivers on the Hume Highway, which runs between Melbourne and Sydney, as they do tend to keep left unless they're overtaking themselves.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Celeon999
01-19-2007, 01:46 AM
I have the opinion, not firsthand but from other sources, that Germans are more aware of occupying the correct lane for their travelling speed on the highways.


Not really http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif

You will find a lot of notorious left drivers on the Autobahn. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Goose_Green
01-19-2007, 01:51 AM
@Celeon, do you drive? If so, what's your experience of driving in Germany? Is the experience as cut throat as described in the article?

I have a feeling the article could be a "plant" to get visitors to use public transport - maybe the author has an agenda to have public transport superirority http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Celeon999
01-19-2007, 02:00 AM
Originally posted by Goose_Green:
@Celeon, do you drive? If so, what's your experience of driving in Germany? Is the experience as cut throat as described in the article?

I have a feeling the article could be a "plant" to get visitors to use public transport - maybe the author has an agenda to have public transport superirority http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif


Nope. But i can asure that the article is a bit exaggerated http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Its not that worse. From time to time you meet some crazy drivers on the Autobahn , just get out of their way and let them pass. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


Just remember to use the CORRECT side of the streets. The one on the right. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif And remember ...this article was written by an american.....americans....exaggerations..... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Goose_Green
01-19-2007, 06:20 PM
After reading your comments there Celeon I feel much better. Having said that, I did spend 10 months driving in the Balkans and there were some nutty drivers there - must be the Mediterranian air http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I seem to remember that the traffic flow (priorities at junctions) in Bosnia was somewhat similar to that of Germany and probably the rest of Europe. I guess we Brits have to be awkward and do things differently.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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