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Airmail109
01-07-2011, 07:50 PM
Not going to another. I'm not saying why, they are just **** and involve to much drama. It's completely weird going to a party in the company of your boss as well.

Ughhhhh gonna feel a hangover tomorrow.

stalkervision
01-07-2011, 07:57 PM
Originally posted by Aimail101:
Not going to another. I'm not saying why, they are just **** and involve to much drama. It's completely weird going to a party in the company of your boss as well.

Ughhhhh gonna feel a hangover tomorrow.

So tell me what happened. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

Ba5tard5word
01-07-2011, 08:47 PM
- get drunk for free
- eat free food
- leave early

Airmail109
01-07-2011, 08:53 PM
Originally posted by Ba5tard5word:
- get drunk for free
- eat free food
- leave early

I had to pay for my own booze! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

Needless to say there was an erm altercation between some of the staff. That's all I'm saying. There are going to be a few interviews without coffee over the weekend. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

PhantomKira
01-07-2011, 09:02 PM
Hmmm, altercations and staff parties! Yay! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Only ever went to one, myself. It was my first real job and for some reason, that crew really did bond quite well. Can't say the same for any other group I've worked with. Oh, and the party was a crew deal, with management invited, not the other way around. (We loved our boss. He was just really, really good with people.)

Ba5tard5word
01-08-2011, 03:14 AM
I had to pay for my own booze!

That's not a proper office party then. You should have boycotted it for such a crime against humanity as No Free Booze.

Low_Flyer_MkIX
01-08-2011, 04:08 AM
Must admit I avoid them or organise an alternative on the same night with colleagues I actually like socialising with.

A lot of 'rights of passage' ******** witnessed over the years - from the ritual getting drunk and stripping naked of the youngest male by the oldest women, through the management woefully trying to get down with the kids and the suicidal weeping woman to the ritual punch-up/criminal damage via the 'who's getting off with who' lottery.

Maybe I was spoilt by a riotous bout of making up for lost time in my late twenties, but most people I've worked with wouldn't know a good party if it bit them on the arse. I hate being ordered to have a good time. Not saying you can't have one at a staff party, but the whole oh-so-scriptable game of temptation and consequence gets on my wick. If I want to get blitzed off my face, tell certain people exactly what I think about them and wake up in a minger's boudoir the next morning then I'll do it. I don't need to be told it's Christmas/Birthday/Yom Kippur as an excuse. I find behavioural patterns set by time of year detestable to say the least.

JG52Uther
01-08-2011, 07:38 AM
Office parties:NO, full of ****s

SK Beertent : YES, full of ****s,but in a good way http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

You haven't really lived until you have seen a full on SK beertent...

(SK=Sealed Knot)

VW-IceFire
01-08-2011, 08:56 AM
I keep hearing about office staff parties around the holidays and what potentially life-altering events they are. I work in the academic environment right now and the staff parties are always so chilled and cool. Even with the alcohol... it just means the philosophers in the group more freely express their opinions. I must be weird http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

These wild things really happen eh?

Low_Flyer_MkIX
01-08-2011, 09:12 AM
Originally posted by JG52Uther:
Office parties:NO, full of ****s

SK Beertent : YES, full of ****s,but in a good way http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

You haven't really lived until you have seen a full on SK beertent...

(SK=Sealed Knot)

Indeed. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

GoToAway
01-08-2011, 09:23 AM
Why did you even bother going in the first place?

My policy is to never attend anything of the sort. They're your coworkers. You owe them nothing. You have no obligation to haul yourself to a "party" that some moron in middle management felt would be a "team bonding experience."

Outlaw---
01-08-2011, 10:26 AM
If you can't make the decision to stay sober around your boss for a few hours you should start preparing yourself for a life of unhappiness.

--Outlaw.

Airmail109
01-08-2011, 10:33 AM
Originally posted by Outlaw---:
If you can't make the decision to stay sober around your boss for a few hours you should start preparing yourself for a life of unhappiness.

--Outlaw.

My boss is a chef, I believe he was off his face as well. As was everyone. Hotel parties arn't tea and crumpets. Besides I can be blindingly drunk and most people will think I'm sober.

Airmail109
01-08-2011, 10:34 AM
Originally posted by GoToAway:
Why did you even bother going in the first place?

My policy is to never attend anything of the sort. They're your coworkers. You owe them nothing. You have no obligation to haul yourself to a "party" that some moron in middle management felt would be a "team bonding experience."

Lots of waitresses to harass.

Low_Flyer_MkIX
01-08-2011, 10:58 AM
Besides I can be blindingly drunk and most people will think I'm sober.

Lots of drunks think that. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Airmail109
01-08-2011, 11:06 AM
Originally posted by Low_Flyer_MkIX:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Besides I can be blindingly drunk and most people will think I'm sober.

Lots of drunks think that. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif I just don't say much. Most people give it away by being loud and obnoxious. Most people can't tell anyhow.....I hope! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Messaschnitzel
01-08-2011, 11:14 AM
Originally posted by Low_Flyer_MkIX:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JG52Uther:
Office parties:NO, full of ****s

SK Beertent : YES, full of ****s,but in a good way http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

You haven't really lived until you have seen a full on SK beertent...

(SK=Sealed Knot)

Indeed. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

SCA parties at weekend events during the evening are much the same way. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I worked for 10 years at a non-union company where the owners would really go to great lengths to see that their employees were happy. There were around 125 employees, and we all got really good Christmas bonuses and a great Christmas party at the end of the year. The owners would rent the entire restaurant and bar area for around 5 hours of a place nearby called The Hotel Mac in Point Richmond. There was really good food and an open bar. One year I asked one of the owners back in the 1990s how much they would spend to throw the party and he said around $30,000 on average. In 2000, the company got sold to Newport Corp and after that, going to the Christmas parties were like going to a funeral. The food went from steak to macaroni and cheese, no open bar, etc. In short, the real deciding factor with the 'blah' feeling environment was that there was no genuine esprit de corps in the company anymore. Ie, you don't treat your workforce in an indifferent manner during the year, only to become the benevolent and giving phony 'Santa' one day, and then go back to normal after the holidays.

The parties pre 2000 were a lot of fun though. I'd have a couple of Guiness', but I'd stop there. It was entertaining to get to see the folks' real personalities come out after the booze got to flowing, which ones who were the leches, bullies, etc. Sometimes I'd be totally surprised who it would be. One year there was this really nice and fairly attractive secretary who sort of slid into a chair across at the table where a couple of guys and I were sitting and talking. She was lit to the point where she was slurring and weaving back and forth trying to focus both her mind and eyes on us. When she saw we were trying not to laugh when she asked what we did for fun, she made this face, got up and staggered off. What really surprised me was that she was ordinarily this really efficient and polite no nonsense lady who turned into this prowling hunter wandering around with this hungry look in her eyes when she got to drinking. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

Warrington_Wolf
01-08-2011, 02:18 PM
Originally posted by Low_Flyer_MkIX:
Must admit I avoid them or organise an alternative on the same night with colleagues I actually like socialising with.

A lot of 'rights of passage' ******** witnessed over the years - from the ritual getting drunk and stripping naked of the youngest male by the oldest women, through the management woefully trying to get down with the kids and the suicidal weeping woman to the ritual punch-up/criminal damage via the 'who's getting off with who' lottery.

Maybe I was spoilt by a riotous bout of making up for lost time in my late twenties, but most people I've worked with wouldn't know a good party if it bit them on the arse. I hate being ordered to have a good time. Not saying you can't have one at a staff party, but the whole oh-so-scriptable game of temptation and consequence gets on my wick. If I want to get blitzed off my face, tell certain people exactly what I think about them and wake up in a minger's boudoir the next morning then I'll do it. I don't need to be told it's Christmas/Birthday/Yom Kippur as an excuse. I find behavioural patterns set by time of year detestable to say the least. Have you been to or witnessed a party by my workplace because you've just described our christmas do to a tee.
We in our lab had a placepot on who was going to cop off with who, incidently the guy who won the placepot was the one who copped off so it was win-win for him.
We had two pukers, one woman puked in her shoe and another on the table, one of the part timers couldn't remember where he lived so we chucked him out of the taxi near to his street, it looked like a mafia body dump.
We drank the place dry, they ran out of Budweisser, Carlsberg, Sambuca, Vodka, Southern Comfort and Jagermeister, the bar was free all night.
As usual we were the last to leave and as we left the manager at the hotel told our director to book the christmas do somewhere else next year, because we were no longer welcome http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blush.gif.

danjama
01-08-2011, 03:22 PM
Every year at our Christmas staff parties, I lose a little bit more respect for everyone i work with. I'm sure they feel the same about me too.

GoToAway
01-08-2011, 03:23 PM
Originally posted by Outlaw---:
If you can't make the decision to stay sober around your boss for a few hours you should start preparing yourself for a life of unhappiness.

--Outlaw. So because you work for somebody, you have to always be on your guard and be miserable. Why? Just because they have a higher salary? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

You have a very strange world view.

Outlaw---
01-08-2011, 04:41 PM
Originally posted by GoToAway:
So because you work for somebody, you have to always be on your guard and be miserable. Why? Just because they have a higher salary? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

You have a very strange world view.

It seem pretty self evident to me that anyone capable of comprehending the English language at a 5th grade+ level and who isn't actually drunk and/or on drugs while reading my post would be able to understand it. However, it seems that I am mistaken so I will expound a bit...

IF ALCOHOL IS SO IMPORTANT TO YOU THAT YOU CAN'T DECIDE NOT TO DRINK YOURSELF TO STUPIDITY IN THE PRESENCE OF YOUR BOSS, THEN YOU WILL CLEARLY HAVE ISSUES WITH ALCOHOL FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE AND SHOULD BE PREPARED FOR IT.

As far as why, it's because IT'S YOUR BOSS and if you act like a ******* he/she might decide that you're not really the kind of person they want working for them. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out.

It would be interesting to know how you could possibly interpret ANY class or salary references from my post. Additionally, where did I indicate misery at any level? Why do you equate sobriety with misery?

Just FYI, Tuesday last week was a retirement party for a guy who's been working at my company for 27 years. Most of my group, including my boss, his boss, and his boss' boss were there. Also in attendance were managers from other local EPCs who had worked with Marty over the last 40 years he's been in Houston. About 80 people total. I drank diet-coke the whole night. I wasn't miserable. In fact, I had a great time. There were a few who didn't make such intelligent decisions and one low level manager in particular who should be very grateful that most people had left before she said what she did (very loudly) about her boss. If you're that stupid, you deserve what you get.


--Outlaw.

danjama
01-08-2011, 06:14 PM
Originally posted by Outlaw---:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by GoToAway:
So because you work for somebody, you have to always be on your guard and be miserable. Why? Just because they have a higher salary? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

You have a very strange world view.

IF ALCOHOL IS SO IMPORTANT TO YOU THAT YOU CAN'T DECIDE NOT TO DRINK YOURSELF TO STUPIDITY IN THE PRESENCE OF YOUR BOSS, THEN YOU WILL CLEARLY HAVE ISSUES WITH ALCOHOL FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE AND SHOULD BE PREPARED FOR IT.

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Dude, why do you have to be so narrow minded at times?

Outlaw---
01-08-2011, 06:30 PM
Originally posted by danjama:
Dude, why do you have to be so narrow minded at times?

If the ability to maintain sobriety is considered, "narrow minded", then this country is truly doomed.

--Outlaw.

DKoor
01-08-2011, 07:01 PM
Originally posted by Aimail101:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Low_Flyer_MkIX:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Besides I can be blindingly drunk and most people will think I'm sober.

Lots of drunks think that. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif I just don't say much. Most people give it away by being loud and obnoxious. Most people can't tell anyhow.....I hope! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Believe me I'm the same way as you when I'm drunk, mildly, heavy and in between.

I don't go around being a jerk, I don't harass people, i don't hug them, I don't kiss them, I don't yell to people like they are deaf or in need of medical ear implants, I don't harass females unless they want me to http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif (yep there is that kind of women too http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif). I just hang around.
I know many people that are just that way.

But the truth is, after certain amount of alcohol you will be unable to hide the alcohol effect. You movements, your eyes, general look... all that will reveal your state.

But the important thing is, that either you are fully sober or fully drunk (still standing on 2) , always remember not to make a pig out of yourself. It's doable and your friends and people around you will appreciate it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif .

When I just remember how many times I've heard those bad stories told around about my certain friends who are quite easily blown away with alcohol and become quite pain in the arse while intoxicated. Not good.

PhantomKira
01-08-2011, 07:05 PM
+1 Outlaw

I don't often agree with your views, Outlaw, but in this case, I must. In a world where your life is open to anyone and everyone (Facebook etc, anyone), and private information is readily available to those who wish to spend even a tiny amount of time searching for it, why would you do things like putting yourself in a position of not being in control of your actions around people who DO control your life? Sounds rather silly [read: stupid] to me.

Airmail109
01-08-2011, 08:05 PM
If my boss is hammered I get hammered. Besides even though the booze wasn't free he gave me 30 quid to get rat arsed.

Chefs are a different breed.

DrHerb
01-08-2011, 08:12 PM
There is a girl at my work who just looooooooves to stir the pot, she loves the drama involved with it. At our last xmas party, my boss whipped out a bottle of really, really good port, and poured a glass for everyone except her and her boyfriend. She ended up literally crying from being alienated by everyone, but to be honest, she brought that on herself.

Messaschnitzel
01-08-2011, 08:35 PM
Originally posted by GoToAway:
So because you work for somebody, you have to always be on your guard and be miserable. Why? Just because they have a higher salary? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

You have a very strange world view.

The part about being on your guard has always been true, at least in my experience. I have found out the hard way that these are the folks that you have to favorably impress in order to get a raise, not to mention keeping the job as long as I'm working for them. When I was under 30 years of age I thought that anyone I saw who rode the straight and narrow and did everything that the boss told them to was a simpering s*ck@ss who was beneath my contempt. As I got older I found that the jobs that used to be plentiful were becoming harder to come by, and that one of the keys to keeping those jobs were to be circumspect, polite, and to have a can-do attitude around those who controlled the jobs and paychecks. In other words, there was a big difference losing a disposable job in my twenties where I didn't have a whole lot to lose in the first place, along with few responsibilities and nobody else but me to think about, and a job today where I have my wife, our property, and financial responsibilities to consider. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

GoToAway
01-08-2011, 11:04 PM
Originally posted by Outlaw---:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by danjama:
Dude, why do you have to be so narrow minded at times?

If the ability to maintain sobriety is considered, "narrow minded", then this country is truly doomed.

--Outlaw. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>No.

The fact that you seem to think there's something "wrong" with drinking at a company party that has drinks provided simply because your "boss" is there is narrow-minded.

If your corporate overlord didn't want people to drink, he would make it a dry party. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

The only reason you gave for why we shouldn't drink is because a "boss" is present, so you are the one that invoked a socio-economic hierarchy to begin with.

Do you ever have any fun? Honestly?
You come across as a very uptight person in virtually everything you post.

It would be one thing to drink at a dry party.
It's another thing entirely to drink at a party where it's encouraged.

GoToAway
01-08-2011, 11:08 PM
Originally posted by Messaschnitzel:
The part about being on your guard has always been true, at least in my experience. I have found out the hard way that these are the folks that you have to favorably impress in order to get a raise, not to mention keeping the job as long as I'm working for them. When I was under 30 years of age I thought that anyone I saw who rode the straight and narrow and did everything that the boss told them to was a simpering s*ck@ss who was beneath my contempt. As I got older I found that the jobs that used to be plentiful were becoming harder to come by, and that one of the keys to keeping those jobs were to be circumspect, polite, and to have a can-do attitude around those who controlled the jobs and paychecks. In other words, there was a big difference losing a disposable job in my twenties where I didn't have a whole lot to lose in the first place, along with few responsibilities and nobody else but me to think about, and a job today where I have my wife, our property, and financial responsibilities to consider. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif I have my own financial responsibilities, but I've come to terms with the fact that I will always be poor.

Corporate America disgusts me. Capitalism sickens me. I refuse to spend my life lining the pockets of the aristocracy that was born into their wealth while only "earning" a pittance to show for it.

Obviously this makes me an outlier, but I'm OK with that.

VW-IceFire
01-08-2011, 11:10 PM
Wow everyone has such exciting lives.... None of this stuff ever happens. I always assumed that the office party cliche was a TV/movie invention at best and that most parties were fairly tame compared to the so called stories...

Messaschnitzel
01-09-2011, 12:52 AM
Originally posted by GoToAway:
I have my own financial responsibilities, but I've come to terms with the fact that I will always be poor.

Corporate America disgusts me. Capitalism sickens me. I refuse to spend my life lining the pockets of the aristocracy that was born into their wealth while only "earning" a pittance to show for it.

Obviously this makes me an outlier, but I'm OK with that.

Don't feel like you're the only one that feels this way. Although I've supported myself since I was 16, I've always been poor, and I don't fool myself into thinking I'll ever be rich in the financial sense of the word. I do however consider myself rich and extremely well off in other ways such as that I am lucky to have such a wonderful wife, I have several proven long time friends who cover my back as I cover theirs anytime anything comes up, I have food to eat and a roof over my head, and last but not least, I have good health. (knock on wood...)

As far as lining the aristocracy's pockets: The only way to completely avoid that is to use the barter system where you don't use paper or plastic to purchase anything. Otherwise if you put money into the bank for example, you're giving them permission to use whatever funds deposited to make money for their own ends practically for free. I was a 'Fight Club' mentality kind of guy until I met my wife. Before that, every transaction I made was with cash, money order, or barter, and I got by very well doing that for many years. When I got my paycheck, I'd cash it and stash it. After I hooked up with my future wife, I felt and still feel like a chump whenever I put money into the bank in order to play 'the game' in a responsible and adult manner.

F*ck. It's hard to believe that Tyler Durden got married and now lives in a house with his wife and two cats. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

GoToAway
01-09-2011, 08:46 AM
I shouldn't have that problem--I have no intention of being roped into marriage. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

I only put enough money into the bank to cover the bills that have to be paid by check each month. I carry pretty close to a zero balance (having no money helps.) I don't use credit cards. I don't patronize mega corporations. I don't have a cell phone, I don't use facebook, etc.

It's useless, though. I know that.
Particularly when you have a legion of sheep that cheerlead for the 3% and remain oblivious to the fact that their beloved heroes view them as just that--livestock to generate a profit.

I am Jack's raging bile duct.

Messaschnitzel
01-09-2011, 12:28 PM
Originally posted by GoToAway:
I shouldn't have that problem--I have no intention of being roped into marriage. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

I only put enough money into the bank to cover the bills that have to be paid by check each month. I carry pretty close to a zero balance (having no money helps.) I don't use credit cards. I don't patronize mega corporations. I don't have a cell phone, I don't use facebook, etc.

It's useless, though. I know that.
Particularly when you have a legion of sheep that cheerlead for the 3% and remain oblivious to the fact that their beloved heroes view them as just that--livestock to generate a profit.

I am Jack's raging bile duct.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

I used to think exactly the same thing about marriage back when I was your age, and for years afterwards. I got willingly 'roped' at age 42. Women are wily where a guy thinks he has control, and will chase a woman until she catches him. I'll be willing to bet that one day there will be a woman that has your number, and she'll come out of nowhere and surprise you when you least expect it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

I'm not an electronic gadget fiend at all, where I got to have the latest stuff. I have a cell phone, but the Facebook type stuff doesn't interest me. I still use the 17in computer monitor I got in 1997, and our 19in TV is from 1993. We don't watch TV, but we do have a DVD player and my wife has an Xbox 360.

I don't get mad anymore about the status quo as I get older. As I've said before, I have developed more of a 'The Big Lebowski' philosophy nowadays, and have gotten away from the 'Fight Club' train of thought. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

Ba5tard5word
01-09-2011, 01:53 PM
Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
Wow everyone has such exciting lives.... None of this stuff ever happens. I always assumed that the office party cliche was a TV/movie invention at best and that most parties were fairly tame compared to the so called stories...

To be honest, most Americans, especially the kind who work at white collar offices, seem much less tolerant of drunken shenanigans than Brits. Plus some of the stuff people are talking about here would result in a stiff sexual harrassment lawsuit.

GoToAway
01-09-2011, 04:06 PM
Originally posted by Messaschnitzel:
I'll be willing to bet that one day there will be a woman that has your number, and she'll come out of nowhere and surprise you when you least expect it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif I already met her. Known her for 10 years, in fact. She's married. (I suspect I'm a bit older than you think. 30 is approaching rather rapidly... and depressingly.)

I really don't see my views on marriage changing, though.
I'm not looking for anyone.
I've never had a healthy relationship.
And I've never personally seen a marriage survive.


I don't get mad anymore about the status quo as I get older. I don't get mad about it. I'm not some sort of activist.

I know that there's nothing that I can do about it and that I'm utterly impotent. If anything, I'm just world-weary.

Messaschnitzel
01-09-2011, 05:20 PM
Originally posted by GoToAway:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Messaschnitzel:
I'll be willing to bet that one day there will be a woman that has your number, and she'll come out of nowhere and surprise you when you least expect it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif I already met her. Known her for 10 years, in fact. She's married. (I suspect I'm a bit older than you think. 30 is approaching rather rapidly... and depressingly.)

I really don't see my views on marriage changing, though.
I'm not looking for anyone.
I've never had a healthy relationship.
And I've never personally seen a marriage survive. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I figured you to be in your late twenties, and under thirty from what you have alluded to in your previous posts, IIRC. I have several friends whose marriages have lasted well over twenty years, and it is they who I will ask advice from over the years about marriage, their relationships, and what the heck do they do to make it work. It's not easy. All in all, it takes two to tango, and my big stumbling block was learning how to compromise. It's been a long road and I'm still learning. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

GoToAway
01-09-2011, 05:58 PM
Originally posted by Messaschnitzel:
I figured you to be in your late twenties, and under thirty from what you have alluded to in your previous posts, IIRC. I have several friends whose marriages have lasted well over twenty years, and it is they who I will ask advice from over the years about marriage, their relationships, and what the heck do they do to make it work. It's not easy. All in all, it takes two to tango, and my big stumbling block was learning how to compromise. It's been a long road and I'm still learning. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif I have no problem with compromising. I do it all the time with my current girlfriend. It's interesting, though, that "compromise" always needs to happen in one direction and to the benefit of one party.

But I suppose that's why marriage is miserable. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

I'm really only unwilling to compromise on two points: I'll never move to a city, and I'll never have kids. Life is hard and unpleasant enough without agreeing to two things that would suck out every last drop of enjoyment that I get from it.

Everything else... I don't really care.
For example, I had to replace my toilet because my floor warped in the flood. I went to Home Depot and picked the highest quality model for the least amount of money. My visual inspection of it revealed that it was indeed a toilet and it was white.

My girlfriend pitched a fit.
Apparently it was "ugly" and "pretentious" looking. She insisted that I get another toilet from a knock off brand that was marginally cheaper because she liked the way it looked better.

I tried to explain that she won't have to look at it while she's ****ting on it and that it looks "like a toilet" to me, but it was no use.

So in order to avoid an indeterminate period of her complaining every time that she sees it in my bathroom, I went with her choice.

Compromise: The story of my life.

Outlaw---
01-09-2011, 06:08 PM
Originally posted by GoToAway:
The fact that you seem to think there's something "wrong" with drinking at a company party that has drinks provided simply because your "boss" is there is narrow-minded.


Nowhere did I ever say there was something wrong with drinking in the presence of your boss. Aimail is not talking about a party where everyone has a glass of wine and a cheery old time and then goes home. Aimail specifically mentioned excessive amounts of alcohol, specifically mentioned his boss, and specifically mentioned an altercation.

To me that strongly implies some morons got drunk beyond the capability to control themselves. Maybe I interpreted it wrong. If that's the case, my bad.


Originally posted by GoToAway:
The only reason you gave for why we shouldn't drink is because a "boss" is present, so you are the one that invoked a socio-economic hierarchy to begin with.


NOWHERE DID I SAY ANYONE SHOULD NOT DRINK IN THE PRESENCE OF THE BOSS. I SPECIFICALLY mentioned being DRUNK at such an occasion.



Originally posted by GoToAway:
If your corporate overlord didn't want people to drink, he would make it a dry party. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif


You should take off your commie colored caste-ing glasses when you read my posts b/c in my world my boss isn't my "corporate overlord". In fact, he's a friend. We hit the Hooters near his house (his choice, not mine) for dinner a few weeks ago when his wife took the kids out of town. We play in charity poker tournaments together regularly. A few times a month I stop by the office of the director of engineering where I work (my boss', boss', boss', boss) and talk cars. When I pass the regional VP (6 states worth) I don't drop to the ground, avert my eyes, and chant, "hail to the overlord" over and over until I am no longer graced with his presence. I say, "Hiya Mike, how are you". If it's waiting for the elevator (as opposed to simply passing by) a bit of chit chat usually follows.

I especially enjoy your, "lining the pockets of the corporate overlords" statement. My "corporate overlords" pay me $62 and some change hourly for my services. Along with that wage, they provide unemployment insurance so I won't be empty handed if they have to lay me off when business gets slow, they pay worker's compensation insurance in case I get hurt on the job, they pay O&E insurance so that my personal finances won't be attacked if my mistakes cause a loss to the client, they pay half of my health and ADD insurance, half of my dental/vision plans, they provide life insurance equal to my salary at no charge, they pay half of my FICA tax, they have partnered with multiple car/home insurance companies to provide discounts, they have also partnered with multiple retail providers such as Sams, Dell, Panasonic, and 10 or 12 others, to provide discounts, they provide an entire sales team that aggressively pursues clients so I can concentrate on actually providing services to clients, and they pay for all utility services and the tools I use for my job including about $300k worth of software, computing hardware, office space, supplies, voice and data connections, and all the remaining technical infrastructure (file servers, e-mail, industry codes and standards, etc.).



Originally posted by GoToAway:
Do you ever have any fun? Honestly?
You come across as a very uptight person in virtually everything you post.


What do I do for fun? Let's see...

I build cars (my 1965 Shelby Daytona kit car - http://www.factoryfive.com/coupehome.html)
I restore cars (my 1973 big block Corvette)
I hit local car shows and cruise-ins with the above
I hit the indoor rock gym with friends once or twice a month
I play paintball as often as possible
I shoot my collection of firearms at the range
I hit the indoor go-kart track with friends on occasion
I travel the world scuba diving (Honduras, Mexico, The Bahamas, Ecuador, The Cayman Islands, Jamaica, California, Florida, The Gulf of Mexico)
I cut my grass (it relaxes me)
I play the occasional video game (IL-2, BF, ARMA, COD, L4D, the whole RB/GH series, ROF, DCS, etc.)
I write software
I play around with web/Internet technologies
I work out on occasion - not near enough
A few times a year I decide it's time to get tore down drunk at a happy hour

Yes, it's truly a horrible life I lead under the crushing hand of my corporate overlords.

ISN'T THERE ANYONE OUT THERE WHO WILL TRADE LIVES AND SAVE ME FROM THIS HORRIBLE LIFE I LEAD?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!


Originally posted by GoToAway:
It would be one thing to drink at a dry party.
It's another thing entirely to drink at a party where it's encouraged.

And it's another thing to drink yourself to stupidity in the presence of coworkers/bosses, WHICH IS WHAT I SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED IN EVERY POST I MADE ON THAT SUBJECT.

If you want to live in your self imposed hell hole of poverty rock on with that - it's your choice. But for $&@k*^ sake keep your whining and whimpering to yourself.

Oh, and just for the record, anyone with a billionth of a brain cell knows that the, "I was just going with the traffic", line flies like a lead balloon. Don't get me wrong, it's worth a shot but it's never worked for me and it probably never will. If you don't want a speeding ticket, don't speed. If you chose to do so and you get a ticket, see the above statement about whining.

--Outlaw.

Pirschjaeger
01-09-2011, 06:31 PM
I'll take the Shelby when it's done. Blue with white stripes please. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

When I worked in Germany I asked some colleagues if there was to be a Xmas party before the holiday. They told me the boss had said there'd be no more since at the last one many were confused with who they arrived with and left with the wrong wives. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I guess this created post-party tension among the staff. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

We have an "annual staff party" coming up in the next few days. Enjoy the invitation:

Dear all,

Firstly, i wish all of u a coming happy new year!

Do a great thanks for your constant hard works and supports to xxxxxxxx!

Please be kindly notified that we will spend a delighted evening on the 13th January, 2011 as the celebration of our annual party. The party will begin to pipe up from the 6:00PM. Please make your arrangement accordingly in advance. Florid arena stage, delicious food, beautiful girls ,wonderful showing and excited lucky drawing.......all will be specially presented for you! Let's join in and expect from now on!!

PS?Sincerely hope all the staff will join in this specially party we can have together one time by one year!

Wear your favorite clothing, make you look so attarctive......

Name of party site(restuarant) : xxxxxxxxxxxx

Address: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (i will take 15 minites there on walking)

Telephone:xxxxxxxxxxxxx

Please feel free to contact HR for your any questions.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

I avoid these things like the plague and would much rather pick lint from my favorite sweater.

Unofficially, attendance is mandatory and I expect an 11th hour memo making it official. But reality is a totally different thing. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

GoToAway
01-09-2011, 06:38 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif I have apparently struck a deep nerve.


Originally posted by Outlaw---:
NOWHERE DID I SAY ANYONE SHOULD NOT DRINK IN THE PRESENCE OF THE BOSS. I SPECIFICALLY mentioned being DRUNK at such an occasion. And if the boss is also drunk? Who cares.

For some people, mowing the lawn doesn't qualify as a fun way to spend a Friday night. I know that may be tough to understand from way up on that high horse, but just take my word for it.


You should take off your commie colored caste-ing glasses when you read my posts b/c in my world my boss isn't my "corporate overlord". I found this statement legitimately funny.


In fact, he's a friend. We hit the Hooters near his house (his choice, not mine) for dinner a few weeks ago when his wife took the kids out of town. We play in charity poker tournaments together regularly. A few times a month I stop by the office of the director of engineering where I work (my boss', boss', boss', boss) and talk cars. When I pass the regional VP (6 states worth) I don't drop to the ground, avert my eyes, and chant, "hail to the overlord" over and over until I am no longer graced with his presence. I say, "Hiya Mike, how are you". If it's waiting for the elevator (as opposed to simply passing by) a bit of chit chat usually follows.

I especially enjoy your, "lining the pockets of the corporate overlords" statement. My "corporate overlords" pay me $62 and some change hourly for my services. Along with that wage, they provide unemployment insurance so I won't be empty handed if they have to lay me off when business gets slow, they pay worker's compensation insurance in case I get hurt on the job, they pay O&E insurance so that my personal finances won't be attacked if my mistakes cause a loss to the client, they pay half of my health and ADD insurance, half of my dental/vision plans, they provide life insurance equal to my salary at no charge, they pay half of my FICA tax, they have partnered with multiple car/home insurance companies to provide discounts, they have also partnered with multiple retail providers such as Sams, Dell, Panasonic, and 10 or 12 others, to provide discounts, they provide an entire sales team that aggressively pursues clients so I can concentrate on actually providing services to clients, and they pay for all utility services and the tools I use for my job including about $300k worth of software, computing hardware, office space, supplies, voice and data connections, and all the remaining technical infrastructure (file servers, e-mail, industry codes and standards, etc.). That's wonderful.

But you have to realize that 99% of the world isn't a member of your "good old boys" club. Most of us don't have the opportunity to be employed by a friend. In the real world, we have to struggle and your experience is far from the norm.



Yes, it's truly a horrible life I lead under the crushing hand of my corporate overlords. That's not what I was saying at all.

I don't think I've ever seen you crack a joke on here or say anything positive. You're always lashing out at people and your world view appears to be very straight, narrow, and bounded by doom and gloom. The point of most of your posts is, "I'm right, and everyone else is too stupid to understand."

So, yes. I did wonder if you got any enjoyment out of your life. I'm glad you do.

But you really should calm down. You're going to give yourself a coronary.


ISN'T THERE ANYONE OUT THERE WHO WILL TRADE LIVES AND SAVE ME FROM THIS HORRIBLE LIFE I LEAD?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?! That's laying it on a bit thick, don't you think?

If you're so happy, then why are you so obviously insecure? I didn't demand to know your salary or your benefits, but you volunteered these facts freely. You're clearly trying to prove something.

What, I can't imagine.


If you want to live in your self imposed hell hole of poverty rock on with that - it's your choice. But for $&@k*^ sake keep your whining and whimpering to yourself. I don't recall ever once complaining. I've accepted my place in the world.

That doesn't mean that I can't have my own ideas about what's wrong with the world. The fact that they may not be congruent with what you see on Fox News does not mean that I am "whining."


Oh, and just for the record, anyone with a billionth of a brain cell knows that the, "I was just going with the traffic", line flies like a lead balloon. Don't get me wrong, it's worth a shot but it's never worked for me and it probably never will. If you don't want a speeding ticket, don't speed. If you chose to do so and you get a ticket, see the above statement about whining. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif
This is classic. You really needed to drag that up, huh? Because it has so much to do with what's at hand? I thought you were better than that.

In any case, where did I complain about that? I freely admitted that I was going over the limit. That's a fact. But it's also a fact that I was keeping pace with every other car on the road. I was ticketed to meet a quota. Nothing more, nothing less, and I found that fact a bit frustrating, especially when it came mere days after most of what I own was destroyed, particularly considering that I'd never gotten a ticket before. Pardon me for being frustrated. Of course, you really can't relate, so I don't blame you.

Regardless...
I didn't argue with him.
I didn't contest the ticket.
In fact, I've already paid it.

You might have picked up on those facts if you'd ever come down from that high horse of yours. I assure you that we mere peasants aren't that bad.

Outlaw---
01-09-2011, 06:46 PM
Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
I'll take the Shelby when it's done. Blue with white stripes please. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Oh that's bad luck PJ, I'm going to paint it silver with charcoal gray stripes. The next one I build I'll do for you.

--Outlaw.

GoToAway
01-09-2011, 06:50 PM
Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
Unofficially, attendance is mandatory and I expect an 11th hour memo making it official. But reality is a totally different thing. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif That sounds awful.

Outlaw---
01-09-2011, 07:00 PM
Originally posted by GoToAway:
For some people, mowing the lawn doesn't qualify as a fun way to spend a Friday night. I know that may be tough to understand from way up on that high horse, but just take my word for it.


And where did I say I do that on Friday nights? Is that the best you can do? English comprehension isn't really your strong point is it?


Originally posted by GoToAway:
But you have to realize that 99% of the world isn't a member of your "good old boys" club. Most of us don't have the opportunity to be employed by a friend. In the real world, we have to struggle and your experience is far from the norm.


He's not the one who hired me. They guy who hired me was 35 years older than me and a complete stranger. Aside from my brother and a guy in my Air Warrior squad, I didn't know a single person in Houston when I interviewed and subsequently moved here. So much for your "good old boys" club crap.

My current boss, like the rest of the non-whining world, worked hard to move up to department manager. I worked beside him during part of that time. I don't begrudge him or complain about his successes compared to mine. I think it's great he accomplished what he did.


Originally posted by GoToAway:
If you're so happy, then why are you so obviously insecure? I didn't demand to know your salary or your benefits, but you volunteered these facts freely. You're clearly trying to prove something.

What, I can't imagine.


Don't judge my by your limitations. Maybe you would only disclose your salary to prove something but I could care less. It is plainly obvious to even the must dull of individuals that I disclosed such information to show how my "corporate overlords" are NOT screwing me like you repeatedly claim.


Originally posted by GoToAway:
I don't recall ever once complaining. I've accepted my place in the world.

That doesn't mean that I can't have my own ideas about what's wrong with the world. The fact that they may not be congruent with what you see on Fox News does not mean that I am "whining."


Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, smells like a duck...

Dude, you whine about everything.

--Outlaw.

GoToAway
01-09-2011, 07:06 PM
Originally posted by Outlaw---:
Dude, you whine about everything. ...and yet your only "example" was citing a thread in which I expressed frustration at ticket quotas, all while maintaining that I had been speeding and would pay the ticket. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

I don't "whine" about anything. I disagree with you about a lot of things, but that is not "whining." You may rationalize it as such so that you may dismiss it, but that doesn't make it so.

You very clearly have a personal problem with me, because you make things personal every time we have a disagreement. I'd like to know what it is. PM me.

Pirschjaeger
01-09-2011, 07:14 PM
Originally posted by Outlaw---:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
I'll take the Shelby when it's done. Blue with white stripes please. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Oh that's bad luck PJ, I'm going to paint it silver with charcoal gray stripes. The next one I build I'll do for you.

--Outlaw. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

After careful deliberation, I think the silver with charcoal gray stripes would look pretty good. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Outlaw---
01-09-2011, 07:26 PM
Just for the record GTA, due to the aforementioned comprehension issues I'll be more explicit...

EVERYONE in my 3000+ local employee offices (40000+ employees world wide) is on a first name basis with their boss. The janitors call Mike (the VP I mentioned) by his first name.

Every other engineering office in Houston is the same way. Nearly every other corporation in the world is the same way. It's the way people work together. Note that the term "people" includes the managers

There are no, "corporate overlords". They exist only in your brain. It is you who does not live in the real world.

Now I realize that there are pathetic individuals who require the Mr/Ms when being addressed but it's not the norm and my bet is that it's very rarely an "overlord" issue with them.

In the real world real people can make real money and be real happy. You should join us sometime.

--Outlaw.

Outlaw---
01-09-2011, 07:30 PM
Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
After careful deliberation, I think the silver with charcoal gray stripes would look pretty good. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Dammit PJ, just after I made that post I went and etched my name on the serial number plate. Once that's done there's no going back per the Texas DMV regulations.

On the plus side, you're first on the waiting list.

--Outlaw.

GoToAway
01-09-2011, 07:35 PM
Originally posted by Outlaw---:
In the real world real people can make real money and be real happy. You should join us sometime. I've never suggested otherwise.
I'm just not willing to sell my soul to do it.

I've worked in corporate America. I know what it's all about. Not all of us have your experience, and I'm sorry that makes you angry for some reason.

Pirschjaeger
01-09-2011, 07:45 PM
Originally posted by Outlaw---:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
After careful deliberation, I think the silver with charcoal gray stripes would look pretty good. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Dammit PJ, just after I made that post I went and etched my name on the serial number plate. Once that's done there's no going back per the Texas DMV regulations.

On the plus side, you're first on the waiting list.

--Outlaw. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

After further careful deliberation, I think a name-change is not so bad after all. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Outlaw---
01-09-2011, 07:54 PM
Originally posted by GoToAway:
You very clearly have a personal problem with me, because you make things personal every time we have a disagreement. I'd like to know what it is. PM me.


I don't even know you, how can I hold anything against you personally?


Originally posted by GoToAway:
I've never suggested otherwise.
I'm just not willing to sell my soul to do it.


There isn't enough bandwidth in the world to show enough of these so just pretend the following goes to infinity...
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

After you've taken that in, please enlighten me as to how I have, "sold my soul".

After that, feel free to comment on your claims about me stating that it was "wrong" to drink around the boss versus what I actually said. I'd hate to get that "raaaid" like feeling about you again.


Originally posted by GoToAway:
I've worked in corporate America. I know what it's all about. Not all of us have your experience, and I'm sorry that makes you angry for some reason.

Me angry? Are you kidding? I have very little to be angry about. If you're using my posts as a reference, I hate to tell you this, but I get quite a kick out of these little conversations.

You claim to know what the corporate world is all about yet in the very next sentence you state that you haven't had my experience. If you haven't had my experience then it's pretty clear that you DON'T know what it's all about.

--Outlaw.

Outlaw---
01-09-2011, 07:57 PM
Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
After further careful deliberation, I think a name-change is not so bad after all. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

HELP HELP!!!
IDENTITY THEFT!!!!
IDENTITY THEFT!!!!
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GoToAway
01-09-2011, 08:10 PM
Originally posted by Outlaw---:
I don't even know you, how can I hold anything against you personally? That's a good question, and it's precisely why I've posed it.

You've made an awful lot of value judgments about me. I've merely questioned what you've posted on this forum.


After you've taken that in, please enlighten me as to how I have, "sold my soul". I never claimed you did. Do you not understand what "exception" means? Your experience is exceptional. Not the norm.

Most people are wage slaves. Be thankful you aren't.


After that, feel free to comment on your claims about me stating that it was "wrong" to drink around the boss versus what I actually said. That's certainly what it looked like to me. And considering that you seem to perpetually have a stick up your ***, it seemed like a reasonable assumption to make.

I thought we've moved on from that?


You claim to know what the corporate world is all about yet in the very next sentence you state that you haven't had my experience. If you haven't had my experience then it's pretty clear that you DON'T know what it's all about. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif
And you deign to question my reading comprehension.

I said that your experience is NOT the norm.
Not that I had no experience.
There's a rather large difference between the two, yes?

I realize that corporate capitalism is practically a religion to you, but you really need to take a step back and realize that your experiences are not the norm. And while you're at it, you should maybe work on trying not to become inexplicably hostile when that is mentioned.

If you'd like to continue this, I've extended the invitation to take it to PM. I'm more than happy to do that.

But I suspect that you may need to get in the "last word" publicly. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

danjama
01-09-2011, 09:14 PM
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blairgowrie
01-10-2011, 06:05 AM
The topic here is staff parties.

Outlaw and GoToAway, please quit your pointless bickering.

iroseland01
01-10-2011, 10:52 AM
hmm

good timing.. The office party was Friday night. The place I am working at now is in the entertainment media industry. Not too far off from a video game company, but not that close either. We are in Seattle, and had everyone from New York come out here. That was pretty cool, the booze was not only free but the operations folks invented a new drink to have served, and it was surprisingly good. We all drank like fish, but no one managed to make an fool of themselves. The party moved over to a bar around 11pm and ended at bar time.

Messaschnitzel
01-10-2011, 11:45 AM
Originally posted by Outlaw---:
EVERYONE in my 3000+ local employee offices (40000+ employees world wide) is on a first name basis with their boss. The janitors call Mike (the VP I mentioned) by his first name.

Every other engineering office in Houston is the same way. Nearly every other corporation in the world is the same way. It's the way people work together. Note that the term "people" includes the managers

There are no, "corporate overlords". They exist only in your brain. It is you who does not live in the real world.

Now I realize that there are pathetic individuals who require the Mr/Ms when being addressed but it's not the norm and my bet is that it's very rarely an "overlord" issue with them.

In the real world real people can make real money and be real happy. You should join us sometime.

--Outlaw.

I've mentioned before that I used to work for a company much like yours that was sold to a corporation where it was run by a feudal 'overlord' unfortunately. It went from being a great place to work where everyone called the owners by their first names, got their paychecks handed to them personally by one of the owners along with chit-chat and asked how everything is going, to working in a morgue because of this 'atmosphere of repression' that came along with the new corporation.

What I hated most of all was that it went from sometimes making extra money by being asked to make parts and modifications for the 3 owners' various motorcycles if we had the time, and also being able to use any machines for our own personal use during off hours, to the absolute restriction that the machinists couldn't use any company equipment to do their own work brought in on their own time. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Outlaw---
01-10-2011, 01:02 PM
Originally posted by Messaschnitzel:
I've mentioned before that I used to work for a company much like yours that was sold to a corporation where it was run by a feudal 'overlord' unfortunately. It went from being a great place to work where everyone called the owners by their first names, got their paychecks handed to them personally by one of the owners along with chit-chat and asked how everything is going, to working in a morgue because of this 'atmosphere of repression' that came along with the new corporation.

What I hated most of all was that it went from sometimes making extra money by being asked to make parts and modifications for the 3 owners' various motorcycles if we had the time, and also being able to use any machines for our own personal use during off hours, to the absolute restriction that the machinists couldn't use any company equipment to do their own work brought in on their own time. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

It's been a long time since I've actually received a paper check and even when I did it never came from an owner. I can't imagine a company like mine being run any differently by being bought out. It's already one of the largest EPC firms in the world so getting bought out wouldn't really change anything.

As far as using the machinery after hours for personal work, chalk that one up to the lawyers. The previous owners were taking a huge risk in allowing that. One tiny injury during that time and it could easily cost them millions.

I'm in the engineering office so there is no machinery here but, we have similar rules regarding personal use of equipment (NOT ALLOWED) regardless of time (ie, on or off the clock).

--Outlaw.