Its on!

[Airmail109]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/ho...head-into-Libya.html (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3448102/British-troops-from-Blackwatch-on-24-hour-standby-to-head-into-Libya.html)

Falklands war effect anyone? (Raising national pride in a time of economic uncertainty?)


http://www.guardian.co.uk/worl...ition-leaders-advice (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/04/libyan-opposition-leaders-advice)

*Cough* Military advisers?? *Cough* Vietnam *Cough* Dirty War *cough* The nutters from Poole, Herefordshire or Aldershot are probably already running amok right now.

The Daily Mail/The Sun on any international crisis - "Send the SAS HEROOES in, they'll sort it singlehandedly!"

Sod it I see the Queen is off for her first state visit to Ireland soon, let's just be open about our imperial desires and march on Paris. Killing brown people is to easy, kind of a hollow victory.

[Low_Flyer_MkIX]

Elite forces - so last war.
Unleash the badgers! (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/6295138.stm)


Talking of which, I'm not taking this crisis seriously unless a Mossad trained animal is caught in the act.

http://www.chickyog.net/2011/0...h-the-decadent-west/ (http://www.chickyog.net/2011/03/04/lassie-come-home-and-crush-the-decadent-west/)

Dog lovers - don't click on the Cyber-Collie link there. It'll take you to places you really don't want to go.

[M_Gunz]

Any western leader with more than half a brain should know to stay well out of Libya. Stick your nose in and no matter what goes wrong it will be blamed on you and guess who gets to pay for that? Again and again and again, same stuff different day.

Given the 'leaders' we've got, it's time to get stuck in big time.

[Airmail109]

Originally posted by Low_Flyer_MkIX:
Elite forces - so last war.
Unleash the badgers! (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/6295138.stm)


Talking of which, I'm not taking this crisis seriously unless a Mossad trained animal is caught in the act.

http://www.chickyog.net/2011/0...h-the-decadent-west/ (http://www.chickyog.net/2011/03/04/lassie-come-home-and-crush-the-decadent-west/)

Dog lovers - don't click on the Cyber-Collie link there. It'll take you to places you really don't want to go.

"UK military spokesman Major Mike Shearer said: "We can categorically state that we have not released man-eating badgers into the area." http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

[kimosabi79]

Libya has loads of oil resources. Lots of countries has an interest in getting their hands on those resources. Besides, war is a big industry. Kinda like McD but not as deadly.

[Treetop64]

Originally posted by kimosabi79:
...Besides, war is a big industry. Kinda like McD but not as deadly.

That depends on who you talk to. There are safe jobs in the military, and eating too much fast food will definitely kill you. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

[PhantomKira]

Originally posted by Treetop64:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by kimosabi79:
...Besides, war is a big industry. Kinda like McD but not as deadly.

That depends on who you talk to. There are safe jobs in the military, and eating too much fast food will definitely kill you. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Which is exactly what I understood his thread to imply.

[arthursmedley]

Oh dear. I think we really should have sent in the badgers! Me thinks the Foreign Office have misjudged this one;
http://uk.reuters.com/article/...dUKTRE72507C20110306 (http://uk.reuters.com/article/2011/03/06/uk-britain-libya-sas-idUKTRE72507C20110306)

[DrHerb]

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[Airmail109]

Originally posted by arthursmedley:
Oh dear. I think we really should have sent in the badgers! Me thinks the Foreign Office have misjudged this one;
http://uk.reuters.com/article/...dUKTRE72507C20110306 (http://uk.reuters.com/article/2011/03/06/uk-britain-libya-sas-idUKTRE72507C20110306)

How did I guess lol. "Junior Diplomat" Yeah right lol, more like poncey long haired Oxbridge graduate with James Bond aspirations and 8 armed to the teeth blokes go out on a jolly for Cameron. They probably want to secure oil contracts with the potential winners. Give us oil and we'll give you lots of shooty things and manpads.

[stugumby]

Didnt you guys have some sailors snatched up near iran a while back??

[Airmail109]

Originally posted by stugumby:
Didnt you guys have some sailors snatched up near iran a while back??

Yeah they were the butt of jokes from the Army and RAF after complaining they had their Ipods taken by the Iranians on tv or something.

Anyway some reports are now surfacing they were SBS which will only serve to increase the amount of jokes aimed at the Navy by the junior forces lol.

[Airmail109]

Yes I was right! It was a spook running around with a load of blokes dressed in black with their bags stuffed full of boom sticks and false passports. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

[huggy87]

Oh, for the love of Pete, let's stay the F out of Libya.

Washington Post
March 9, 2011
Pg. 23


Then What?


Before we use force in Libya, questions to answer


By George F. Will


In September 1941, Japan's leaders had a question for Adm. Isoroku Yamamoto: Could he cripple the U.S. fleet in Hawaii? Yes, he said. Then he had a question for the leaders: But then what?


Following an attack, he said, "I shall run wild considerably for the first six months or a year, but I have utterly no confidence" after that. Yamamoto knew America: He had attended Harvard and been naval attache in Japan's embassy in Washington. He knew Japan would be at war with an enraged industrial giant. The tide-turning defeat of Japan's navy at the Battle of Midway occurred June 7, 1942 - exactly six months after Pearl Harbor.


Today, some Washington voices are calling for U.S. force to be applied, somehow, on behalf of the people trying to overthrow Moammar Gaddafi. Some interventionists are Republicans, whose skepticism about government's abilities to achieve intended effects ends at the water's edge. All interventionists should answer some questions:


*The world would be better without Gaddafi. But is that a vital U.S. national interest? If it is, when did it become so? A month ago, no one thought it was.


*How much of Gaddafi's violence is coming from the air? Even if his aircraft are swept from his skies, would that be decisive?


*What lesson should be learned from the fact that Europe's worst atrocity since the Second World War - the massacre by Serbs of Bosnian Muslims at Srebrenica - occurred beneath a no-fly zone?


*Sen. John Kerry says: "The last thing we want to think about is any kind of military intervention. And I don't consider the fly zone stepping over that line." But how is imposing a no-fly zone - the use of military force to further military and political objectives - not military intervention?


*U.S. forces might ground Gaddafi's fixed-wing aircraft by destroying runways at his 13 air bases, but to keep helicopter gunships grounded would require continuing air patrols, which would require the destruction of Libya's radar and anti-aircraft installations. If collateral damage from such destruction included civilian deaths - remember those nine Afghan boys recently killed by mistake when they were gathering firewood - are we prepared for the televised pictures?


*The Economist reports Gaddafi has "a huge arsenal of Russian surface-to-air missiles" and that some experts think Libya has SAMs that could threaten U.S. or allies' aircraft. If a pilot is downed and captured, are we ready for the hostage drama?


*If we decide to give war supplies to the anti-Gaddafi fighters, how do we get them there?


*Presumably we would coordinate aid with the leaders of the anti-Gaddafi forces. Who are they?


*Libya is a tribal society. What concerning our Iraq and Afghanistan experiences justifies confidence that we understand Libyan dynamics?


*Because of what seems to have been the controlling goal of avoiding U.S. and NATO casualties, the humanitarian intervention - 79 days of bombing - against Serbia in Kosovo was conducted from 15,000 feet. This marked the intervention as a project worth killing for but not worth dying for. Would intervention in Libya be similar? Are such interventions morally dubious?


*Could intervention avoid "mission creep"? If grounding Gaddafi's aircraft is a humanitarian imperative, why isn't protecting his enemies from ground attacks?


*In Tunisia and then in Egypt, regimes were toppled by protests. Libya is convulsed not by protests but by war. Not a war of aggression, not a war with armies violating national borders and thereby implicating the basic tenets of agreed-upon elements of international law, but a civil war. How often has intervention by nation A in nation B's civil war enlarged the welfare of nation A?


*Before we intervene in Libya, do we ask the United Nations for permission? If it is refused, do we proceed anyway? If so, why ask? If we are refused permission and recede from intervention, have we not made U.S. foreign policy hostage to a hostile institution?


*Secretary of State Hilary Clinton fears Libya becoming a failed state - "a giant Somalia." Speaking of which, have we not seen a cautionary movie - "Black Hawk Down" - about how humanitarian military interventions can take nasty turns?


*The Egyptian crowds watched and learned from the Tunisian crowds. But the Libyan government watched and learned from the fate of the Tunisian and Egyptian governments. It has decided to fight. Would not U.S. intervention in Libya encourage other restive peoples to expect U.S. military assistance?


*Would it be wise for U.S. military force to be engaged simultaneously in three Muslim nations?

[M_Gunz]

Against all that is the MIC looking forwards to big weapons contracts, more "foreign aid" to pay for them, and restocking whatever is lost.