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Outlaw---
01-26-2011, 06:57 AM
I just made some phone calls and HOLY CRAP, it looks like a paint job for my kit car could easily reach $7000+ depending on the final look I choose.

That's a bit more than I budgeted so....

Does anyone here have any experience with fiberglass finish work? Although it's assembled at the factory, the body has VERY rough seams (3/8" in some places). I was thinking that I might be able to clean some of those up to save time ($$$) at the paint shop. I'm not looking to bring it to finish quality, just make it easier on the shop.

Is it reasonable for a total and complete novice in this realm to attempt such a feat and would it reduce the amount of paint shop labor enough to make it worth it? Could I do it with an electric belt sander and hand sanding?

Thanks.

--Outlaw.

stalkervision
01-26-2011, 07:17 AM
Originally posted by Outlaw---:
I just made some phone calls and HOLY CRAP, it looks like a paint job for my kit car could easily reach $7000+ depending on the final look I choose.

That's a bit more than I budgeted so....

Does anyone here have any experience with fiberglass finish work? Although it's assembled at the factory, the body has VERY rough seams (3/8" in some places). I was thinking that I might be able to clean some of those up to save time ($$$) at the paint shop. I'm not looking to bring it to finish quality, just make it easier on the shop.

Is it reasonable for a total and complete novice in this realm to attempt such a feat and would it reduce the amount of paint shop labor enough to make it worth it? Could I do it with an electric belt sander and hand sanding?

Thanks.

--Outlaw.

Yes, I believe it is If you look into the topic a bit. Try some You tube videos to get you started off.

arthursmedley
01-26-2011, 10:19 AM
Perhaps you could post some pictures Outlaw?

I believe Archie_Calvert is yer man for professional advice in these matters. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Belt-sander? Can have a mind of their own and be a bit brutal on fibre-glass.

Messaschnitzel
01-26-2011, 11:24 AM
Hey Outlaw, although I never did auto bodywork, we did make some contoured fiberglas covers that had some complex curves where we made some forms and laid the fiberglas over them. Once it set hard, we used a body file to knock off all the rough high spots and a jitterbug finish it up.

You probably already know what this stuff is, but just in case you don't:

Bodifile (http://www.toolfetch.com/files-183-20189n.shtml)

File Holder (http://www.nolansupply.com/bysubcategory.asp?category=Abrasives&supercategory=Files&subcategory=Nicholson+Miscellaneous+Tools+-+Adjustable+Flexible+File+Holder+No.+25%26nbsp%3B&type=False&specs=True)

What's great about this file is you can make the file convex or concave with the turnbuckle.

If you got a compressor for air at home in your shop, you can get things done a lot quicker if you use a jitterbug to blend it down where you get rid of the file marks.

WTE_Galway
01-26-2011, 03:12 PM
Originally posted by Outlaw---:
Could I do it with an electric belt sander and hand sanding?

Thanks.

--Outlaw.

orbital sander

wear overalls and a mask

Jagdgeschwader2
01-26-2011, 05:26 PM
You can sand some of the seams smooth but I would take care not to use too coarse of a sand paper. You could very easily create deep scratches with rough paper and there is also the danger of creating low spots by sanding too much in one area. Did the body not come gelcoated? If so you will need to re-gelcoat any spots that you sand through. It's not that hard to work with fiberglass as I have done it myself. Make sure to use sanding blocks preferably the rubber ones and start with light paper. I'm not sure I would whip out the air tools unless you are confident in your abilities. If you plan on getting the body up to finishing specs be sure to use a good primer surfacer that will allow you to spot any high or low spots in the finish. You need a good surfacer as no matter how good the fiberglass is it's bound to have pinholes somewhere and this will take care of it. I can't think of the name of this primer at the moment but it highlights any low or wavy spots as you sand. This is where I've got all my supplies in the past: http://www.eastwood.com/feathe...g2-black-gallon.html (http://www.eastwood.com/featherfill-g2-black-gallon.html) . And yes we must have pics of this little project of yours. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif



http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x277/Jagdgeschwader2/JG2Mobile.jpg

Outlaw---
01-28-2011, 05:49 AM
Thanks for the info guys. The body is in a storage facility now so it's a pain to take pics. I'll head out this weekend and get some close-ups of the seams.

For now...

As delivered back in September '09...
http://www.kitbuilds.com/OtherForumPics/Body01.jpg

Body off with some interior sheet metal in place (as shipped)...
http://www.kitbuilds.com/OtherForumPics/SheetMetal.jpg

Bare frame ready for the build to start...
http://www.kitbuilds.com/OtherForumPics/Frame01.jpg

What she looks like now with front and rear suspension in place...
http://www.kitbuilds.com/OtherForumPics/Current.jpg

What I HOPE she will look like in a year from now...
http://www.kitbuilds.com/OtherForumPics/Coupe.jpg

--Outlaw.

Toten_Waffe
01-28-2011, 07:01 AM
Will this be road legal or for track use only.

Looks really nice.....are you going for a similar colour scheme?

Outlaw---
01-28-2011, 08:38 AM
Originally posted by Toten_Waffe:
Will this be road legal or for track use only.

Looks really nice.....are you going for a similar colour scheme?

Street legal. I'm too old to race.

It will certainly be the titanium base color. I may go with dark charcoal stripes instead of orange.

--Outlaw.

ARCHIE_CALVERT
01-28-2011, 11:31 AM
http://www.kitbuilds.com/OtherForumPics/Body01.jpg

Outlaw, if you want some advice, I would say unless you're familiar and competent working with GRP to leave well alone and let the bodyshop do what they do... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

I hear what your thinking of doing fairly often from punters wanting to save some money by doing some of the work themselves, but unless your naturally gifted in producing a professional finish first time, you will end up just creating more work for the bodyshop to put right, which is not good.
The words 'How much will you knock off if I do all the prep?' are not commensurate in achieving the desired end result, this is due to inexperiance in repair materials, tools and lack of the necessary body skills.

The kit must have cost you a good deal from the photo's you've shown, is it not worth spending some more to get yourself something worth alot more than the some of parts?

What are you getting exactly for $7000 (4400 in real money... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif)

Archie...

ytareh
01-28-2011, 11:47 AM
Wow that looks gorgeous ...like a cross between best of USA and british lines ...(Coke bottle Corvette meets Marcos ?)Best of luck with it ,looks well worth doing right first time even if it ends up costing you a few thou more .

Outlaw---
01-28-2011, 01:17 PM
Originally posted by ytareh:
Wow that looks gorgeous ...like a cross between best of USA and british lines ...(Coke bottle Corvette meets Marcos ?)

It's a Shelby Daytona which was an AC Cobra chassis (British) with a coupe body and powered by a Ford engine. It only raced in '64 and '65 after which time the Ford GT took over for that class.

It is neat seeing it sitting next to my '73 Vette.

My kit is from Factory Five (http://www.factoryfive.com/coupehome.htm) so it's not identical to the original but pretty damn close. I actually saw a brand new Daytona (license built by Super Performance) a few weeks ago at the monthly cars and coffee gathering here in Houston. It's much more of a "finished" car but it's ridiculously expensive.

--Outlaw.

Jagdgeschwader2
01-28-2011, 06:43 PM
Sweetness! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

You must have these wheels.
http://www.vintagewheelsus.com/

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x277/Jagdgeschwader2/JG2Mobile.jpg