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Semia
07-21-2008, 08:46 AM
BDUs (Battle Dress Uniforms) and Camouflage became an essential part of modern military tactics. The intent of BDUs and camouflage is to disrupt an outline by merging it with the surroundings, making a harder target to spot or hit and represent uniformity and discipline in tactical teams.

The term Rainbow operative (pun intended) doesn't mean players characters should look like totally clowns on the battlefield wearing brightly, mismatched, and unlogical battle clothing such as pink and other tacky colors found in a crayon box. Custom camouflage should not give players custom colors but custom mixtures of real authentic camouflage colors along with their respected patterns and designs in which the player can mix and match to their desire.

We play as Elite Rainbow operatives in this tactical shooter not Spartans or Elites running around in Halo with flashy colors.

When players select clothing colors the options should only be authentic battle dress uniform patterns and colors such as the traditional navy blue, tiger striped, black, woodland, snow, etc listed here
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/bdustp1.jpg


<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">What is acceptable clothing colors in a tactical military shooter like Rainbow Six in this game.</span>

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/bdu-urban-s.jpg



Colors that are not appropriate for Persistent Elite Creation are anomalies such as crimson, pink, purple, yellow, and their dark and light tone variations.

<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">What is not acceptable clothing colors for P.E.C. </span>

http://www.strikebackdefense.com/files/1807373/uploaded/KT10KidsPinkCamoT.jpg

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41XZS20HM2L._AA280_.jpg

http://www.nexternal.com/armynavy/images/stinger-yellow-BDU-pants1.gif

maxpontiac
07-21-2008, 09:46 AM
Although I am not fan of the colors, I know why Ubisoft put's them in.

It's all about appealing to a wider market, and unfortunately, that includes the folks who like to put pink camo on.

Semia
07-21-2008, 09:47 AM
And it is this appeal that has casued them to no longer be the number 1 played game on xboxlive

DeimosWilliams
07-21-2008, 12:19 PM
I would leave it alone for now, maybe in the next R6 they can tone down a little bit.

As annoying as it is, it's probably on the bottom of the list of things I would like to be addressed.

I understand how important customization is though, but just because they limit the colors doesn't mean they have to limit what you can do to your uniform.

Maybe designing your own gear, clothings, and armor from a basic set of pieces (ammo, pouches, holsters, etc.) that you can add.

Vendetta_Z
07-21-2008, 01:26 PM
I saw someone today with a green helmet, red vest, orange legs, and pink arms.

I hate people that do that.

Xanavi23
07-21-2008, 02:04 PM
I wouldn't say take them all out, although i don't beleive in wearing flashy colors. Even my Custom Camos serve a tactical purpose like my Urban Variant which is suited for Vegas.

Tan-brown/Grey mix which i think is pretty effective for the Maps in Vegas2..so some players like myself actually use even the Custom Camo tactically.

I don't like flashy Camos and never really wore any for the reasons you said. But still they should be left in for people who want to use them as well as making some of my targets easier to kill, especially effective when im Sniping. Basically, i can't complain here.

Doc_Gerbil_1
07-21-2008, 02:15 PM
I want some better, more realistic vests. There are so few good vests.

STRAKAZulu
07-21-2008, 02:48 PM
I like a few of the outlandish colors, although I rarely use them. My customs are: darkest blue, darkest red, darkest purple and second darkest blue in a woodland pattern, good for dark levels; and an orange (filling three color slots) and second blue in desert pattern, good in Calypso Casino.
My third color is solid red for the clothing and shoulder armor, paired with black for the rest of the armor. Looks cool, but would have no tactical advantage.

Robert21589
07-21-2008, 04:19 PM
Screw "more" gear. There is absolutely no reason for some pieces of armor to have been removed to begin with. If "more" gear means the return of the Hurricane Assault legs, the t-shirt and the premier of the pants Rainbow operatives get, I'd support it. There's no reason for anything to be sacrificed to have them.

ERN456
07-21-2008, 04:40 PM
I agree I want my T-Shirt and the complete Hurricane and Typhoon armors.

AntiPersonnel
07-21-2008, 04:43 PM
i think colors/camo patterns should be limited to real-world camo only.

there is no reason for bright primary/neon color camos in this game.


i'm also for removing ALL of the armor in this game except for the Omega Tactical vest and replacing them with gear that exists in the real world (and is in use in modern combat).

none of the Riot gear (aka: elbow pads, knee pads, arm/shin protectors) should be categorized under the Armor section, since none of that stuff is designed to stop bullets. the purpose for riot gear like this is to protect against melee/striking objects, or debris and should be put under clothing.... since in R6 its use would be purely cosmetic (there is no melee attacks, civilian riots or falling debris in this game).

Semia
07-21-2008, 04:49 PM
Originally posted by AntiPersonnel:
i think colors/camo patterns should be limited to real-world camo only.

there is no reason for bright primary/neon color camos in this game.


i'm also for removing ALL of the armor in this game except for the Omega Tactical vest and replacing them with gear that exists in the real world (and is in use in modern combat).

none of the Riot gear (aka: elbow pads, knee pads, arm/shin protectors) should be categorized under the Armor section, since none of that stuff is designed to stop bullets. the purpose for riot gear like this is to protect against melee/striking objects, or debris and should be put under clothing.... since in R6 its use would be purely cosmetic (there is no melee attacks, civilian riots or falling debris in this game). i agree 100 % about the armor system this should be changed. Pads should be cosmetic only

Real World Camo only

gunner6903
07-21-2008, 05:01 PM
Are you guys SERIOUS!?!? THIS IS A GAME NOT REAL LIFE. If people want to make their own CUSTOM CAMO they can make it whatever they want. Why do you care what someone else wears? If its bright and goofy, THEY ARE EASIER TO SEE AND SHOOT!!! If you want realism, get in the Army...you people are rediuclous

Robert21589
07-21-2008, 05:10 PM
Maybe it's just because I enjoy the nonsensical things like clown faces or the deliberately bright and obnoxious Fruity Pebbles Camo, but from my experience you're no more noticable in bright and flashy colors than you are in the drab "tacticool" real-world camoflauge.

In Vegas 1 I wore all black, and then that evolved into mostly black with a white "blood-stained" shirt and face mask. Now in Vegas 2 I wear just about anything depending on my mood.

I could have a black and grey outfit derived from Rainbow, a black, sand, and custom brown outfit based on Al-Asad from CoD4, or even a tactical variation on the superhero "Captain America", my performance stays consistent.


Originally posted by AntiPersonnel:
none of the Riot gear (aka: elbow pads, knee pads, arm/shin protectors) should be categorized under the Armor section, since none of that stuff is designed to stop bullets. the purpose for riot gear like this is to protect against melee/striking objects, or debris and should be put under clothing.... since in R6 its use would be purely cosmetic (there is no melee attacks, civilian riots or falling debris in this game).

Now that's just being picky. "Armor" doesn't exclusively mean "can stop bullets". Protection from bullets, from a flaming bottle of alcohol, protection from a wicked fall off the half-pipe. It's all armor.

Also I'm curious, what unit do you know of wears elbow and knee pads under their clothing? They must be horribly uncomfortable all the time.

GroundBranch
07-21-2008, 05:30 PM
Yes the Omega Tactical vest (in-game raven recon armour) is the only realistic vest to select from. Nearly all the PEC needs to be taken out! The game is supposed to about a NATO SPECIAL FORCES CT unit.

Remove: BS Custom camo – only keep navy, woodland, urban, black and olive green, snow (only if there are snow maps).
Remove: The armour (and the riot crap) and replace with Black Hawk and Interceptor vests.
Remove: The BS clown colours, Pink, Red, Orange and Yellow.
Remove: The night vision goggles and replace with AN PVS-7B goggles – keep the rest of eye ware.
Remove: Ballistic facemask and breathing masks.
Remove: That BS sc-fi mercenary helmet.
Remove: Anything that looks remotely sc-fi, HALO, Army of Two, Super Hero BS etc or another of that ********!
Remove: The Army of Two looking mercs in terrorist hunt, give us real looking terrorists and Black Water private military contractors – not someone who looks like they belong in a camp flash Gordon movie circa 1980.
Remove: Cover system – bring the lean back.
Remove: Regenerating health, I want to get shot and to limp... then die!
Kill: Logan and Bishop off with an IED.
Kill: Vegas, nuke it.
Kill: Spider Man, Capt America, Hulk or anyother crap like this! your either lost or on the wrong forum!

UPDATE: ok ERN456 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif the t-shirt comes back and the gay vest gets binned.

I WANT MORE OF THIS
http://www.defensereview.com/stories/adt/sf3.jpg

AND LESS OF THIS BS
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j82/D_Wheaton/attachmenthfdhd.jpg

ERN456
07-21-2008, 05:39 PM
I agree with everything you say Groundbranch but I still want my T-Shirt. I really hate seeing people dressing up like clowns, mercenaries, sci fi characters, etc. They should also remove half face masks and breathing masks.

RainbowRanger1
07-21-2008, 05:54 PM
I agree to remove them. Yea i understand that the game is suppose to be more open to a great amount of people, but really i think if they never had added it in the beginning, there really wouldn't be know difference. This game is suppose to be tactical. How does pink involve with tactical. Its not like if you dress yourself up with black and yellow to look like a bee, people will be like "omg - there's a freaking shooting killing bee machine. run."

and also, my camo is olive green, sand, woodland or marpat clothing, sand equipment. Trying to look like special forces lol xD

Chuck_Withers
07-21-2008, 06:01 PM
To bad pink is in some desert camo and the british SAS used pink panther camo to blend into the sunrise/sun set in the desert so it is a real world camo. Red and orange are in flecktarn although they are a deeper colour they are still there and how do you know what real world terroists look like by the ones you see on tv? come on same with the mercs how do you know there isnt mercs running around with face masks on? Sure I would like to see more "real" gear but that would cost ubisoft money and if that money went to making Rainbow Six better well I would take a better 6 over "real gear"

Robert21589
07-21-2008, 06:02 PM
Originally posted by GroundBranch:
The game is supposed to about a NATO SPECIAL FORCES CT unit.

A NATO Spec Ops unit created by Tom Clancy. I can't figure out why you lot are suprised there are unrealistic things in this game.

While I don't explicitly disagree with some of the points you make, I can't help but get the feeling that you should be playing something else. The entire game seems wrong with the way you put it.

Seriously man, the terrorists? You're complaining about the terrorists?? It's a fictional video game about a fictional spec ops unit fighting against fictional threats. If you feel slighted by this, you should look into getting a different game.

DeimosWilliams
07-21-2008, 06:20 PM
Originally posted by gunner6903:
Are you guys SERIOUS!?!? THIS IS A GAME NOT REAL LIFE. If people want to make their own CUSTOM CAMO they can make it whatever they want. Why do you care what someone else wears? If its bright and goofy, THEY ARE EASIER TO SEE AND SHOOT!!! If you want realism, get in the Army...you people are rediuclous

I agree with you to a certain extent, and I think some games should allow you to create any color combination that you want for your gear, but just not Rainbow 6.

We're a little picky with the franchise because we hold the current Rainbow 6 releases to the high standards that it once was.

It's alienating the core audience of Rainbow 6, it doesn't have to be REAL, but we'd like it REALISTIC.

Just like fans of Gran Turismo wouldn't want the rocket powered cars of Need For Speed in it. That's not to say both games aren't fun, but they're fun for different reasons.

Semia
07-21-2008, 06:45 PM
Originally posted by Chuck_Withers:
To bad pink is in some desert camo and the british SAS used pink panther camo to blend into the sunrise/sun set in the desert so it is a real world camo. Red and orange are in flecktarn although they are a deeper colour they are still there and how do you know what real world terroists look like by the ones you see on tv? come on same with the mercs how do you know there isnt mercs running around with face masks on? Sure I would like to see more "real" gear but that would cost ubisoft money and if that money went to making Rainbow Six better well I would take a better 6 over "real gear" Wtf are you talking aabout the detail of pink is so small you need lense to see it up close.


Orange should only be apart or a detail in fall camo but should not be a stand alone color

GroundBranch
07-21-2008, 07:10 PM
Originally posted by Robert21589:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by GroundBranch:
The game is supposed to about a NATO SPECIAL FORCES CT unit.

A NATO Spec Ops unit created by Tom Clancy. I can't figure out why you lot are suprised there are unrealistic things in this game.

While I don't explicitly disagree with some of the points you make, I can't help but get the feeling that you should be playing something else. The entire game seems wrong with the way you put it.

Seriously man, the terrorists? You're complaining about the terrorists?? It's a fictional video game about a fictional spec ops unit fighting against fictional threats. If you feel slighted by this, you should look into getting a different game. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

LMAO http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif you really have zero knowledge about the history of this game!

Hey its your views and I am not going to dispute it with you, can I ask have either of you played R6, Rogue Spear or Raven Shield? I seem to think not! Or your responses would have been far different!

You ask why am I here, probably to survey the mess errr I mean direction of the current franchise to see where it goes and for my own amusement! You see I have always been here! Not with this account, the other expired two years ago, I have frequented these forums since 2001. You ask... "Why don't I play another game"¯, well I hate to inform you this WAS the game to play in that genre of military tactical FPS, it is now a joke a shadow of its former self!

You see the idealism and dynamics of this community have changed! You still have a lot of the old guard on here, but a lot have gone, or are waiting for a game called Ground Branch to arrive and at that point I will go too! I will probably drop in, in the future to see how things are going... I think by that point in R6 we will see total body coverage armour, pulse weapons and a hostage situation in a lunar moon base, or something along that lines to please the kiddies and keep em happy http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif.

Happy gaming http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

GroundBranch
07-21-2008, 07:10 PM
Originally posted by Chuck_Withers:
To bad pink is in some desert camo and the british SAS used pink panther camo to blend into the sunrise/sun set in the desert so it is a real world camo. Red and orange are in flecktarn although they are a deeper colour they are still there and how do you know what real world terroists look like by the ones you see on tv? come on same with the mercs how do you know there isnt mercs running around with face masks on? Sure I would like to see more "real" gear but that would cost ubisoft money and if that money went to making Rainbow Six better well I would take a better 6 over "real gear"

Semia: he is just trying to justify having pink in the game, by making a statement about the Land Rover 110 HCPU the SAS's Desert Patrol Vehicle (DPV). It is painted dusk light pink, to camouflage it against the backdrop of the desert. Yet what he fails to realise is! There is no pink in the desert DPM (distributed pattern material) camo battle dress the SAS wear! Its only on the vehicles!!!!

signal13
07-21-2008, 07:16 PM
"Are you guys SERIOUS!?!? THIS IS A GAME NOT REAL LIFE. If people want to make their own CUSTOM CAMO they can make it whatever they want. Why do you care what someone else wears? If its bright and goofy, THEY ARE EASIER TO SEE AND SHOOT!!! If you want realism, get in the Army...you people are rediuclous"

....Yeah I gotta agree. It's a game get a grip. Part of the appeal of a game is to have control over things like the camo, and unforms.
I wonder how many of the complaining have "real world" experience to back up some of thier complaints..lol

Semia
07-21-2008, 07:19 PM
I do, im in the military http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Chuck_Withers
07-21-2008, 07:19 PM
*sigh* I never said they were it now, and no I'm not trying to justify pink should be in the game it's not plasuble(sp really) camo pattern to be used in vegas. Depending on where in vegas you are is what camo you would be using. Not to mention R6 looks likie SWAT officers therefore Navey blue or black camo only. With green "ninja" suits for night time ops.

MD_Sennet
07-21-2008, 07:33 PM
Originally posted by signal13:
"Are you guys SERIOUS!?!? THIS IS A GAME NOT REAL LIFE. If people want to make their own CUSTOM CAMO they can make it whatever they want. Why do you care what someone else wears? If its bright and goofy, THEY ARE EASIER TO SEE AND SHOOT!!! If you want realism, get in the Army...you people are rediuclous"

....Yeah I gotta agree. It's a game get a grip. Part of the appeal of a game is to have control over things like the camo, and unforms.
I wonder how many of the complaining have "real world" experience to back up some of thier complaints..lol
You are the reason UBI makes horrible Rainbow Six games now. You are their target audience.

GroundBranch
07-21-2008, 07:44 PM
Originally posted by MD_Sennet:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by signal13:
"Are you guys SERIOUS!?!? THIS IS A GAME NOT REAL LIFE. If people want to make their own CUSTOM CAMO they can make it whatever they want. Why do you care what someone else wears? If its bright and goofy, THEY ARE EASIER TO SEE AND SHOOT!!! If you want realism, get in the Army...you people are rediuclous"

....Yeah I gotta agree. It's a game get a grip. Part of the appeal of a game is to have control over things like the camo, and unforms.
I wonder how many of the complaining have "real world" experience to back up some of thier complaints..lol
You are the reason UBI makes horrible Rainbow Six games now. You are their target audience. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

WELL SAIDhttp://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif
Exactly!!!! I did not want to go down the harsh truth route... but! MD_Sennet you nailed it on the head there, two words "TARGET AUDIENCE".


quote from another post:
The community is now split into 3 divisions, the first two are compatible the third is not!!!! first you have the old skool PC crowd Raven Shield and Rogue Spear, second you have the older generation of console users Rainbow Six 3 and Black Arrow and thirdly the out of place demographic of HALO, Army of Two, COD4 and other fast paced run and gun kill *****s. Sorry I don't wan to vindicate people here, but its generally the younger new to the franchise 360 owner. They are not interested in the realistic gameplay, content and storyline, they have never heard of SEAL Team 6, CIA Groundbranch, real special forces tactics or counter revolutionary warfare, it means jack to them!

Vegas is a great game to the majority, who see Rainbow as a SWAT team of CSI, or some other soap cop show! They are not bothered about the R6 books, the history of the unit, they just want to put on BS PINK CAMO and run round HALO style, shooting the crap out of each other with unrealistic weapons And regenerating health.

Robert21589
07-21-2008, 08:27 PM
Originally posted by GroundBranch:
LMAO http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif you really have zero knowledge about the history of this game!

Hey its your views and I am not going to dispute it with you, can I ask have either of you played R6, Rogue Spear or Raven Shield? I seem to think not! Or your responses would have been far different!

You ask why am I here, probably to survey the mess errr I mean direction of the current franchise to see where it goes and for my own amusement! You see I have always been here! Not with this account, the other expired two years ago, I have frequented these forums since 2001. You ask... "Why don't I play another game"¯, well I hate to inform you this WAS the game to play in that genre of military tactical FPS, it is now a joke a shadow of its former self!

You see the idealism and dynamics of this community have changed! You still have a lot of the old guard on here, but a lot have gone, or are waiting for a game called Ground Branch to arrive and at that point I will go too! I will probably drop in, in the future to see how things are going... I think by that point in R6 we will see total body coverage armour, pulse weapons and a hostage situation in a lunar moon base, or something along that lines to please the kiddies and keep em happy http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif.


Don't patronize me. I'm treating you as a mature gamer and I expect the same from you. I have played Rainbow Six way back on the Nintendo 64 and Black Arrow on the X-Box, but this is all trivial and irrelevant to the discussion at hand, as is your history on the forums.

You seem to be suffering from some sort of delusion that being a veteran of the series means that the game must be catered to your specifications. I hear Rogue Spear and Raven Shield were pretty fun games. That's great, I don't doubt it for a second. Unfortunately this is neither of those games. Whether the series is making a turn for the better or worse is not the topic at hand.

I did not ask "why do you play Rainbow Six". I am asking "Why do you play Vegas/2?" It's a very clear deviant from what the series is supposed to be, this has been established several times. However, these wonderfully pretentious changes you and several others want would be better suited for the NEXT installment. You're asking for an entirely different game.

Video games are meant to be enjoyed. If you don't enjoy a game, move along. Yes, the series is good and Vegas/2 is bad. Unfortunately this is what we have now. Don't hang onto it like a parasite bawwwing about how Ubisoft screwed you over as if it were a deliberate act.

Enjoy Ground Branch.

Semia
07-21-2008, 08:41 PM
Hiw are we asking for a different game? We know UBI can make major gameplay changes via a title update, just look at Hign Stakes

Robert21589
07-21-2008, 08:48 PM
Originally posted by Semia:
Hiw are we asking for a different game? We know UBI can make major gameplay changes via a title update, just look at Hign Stakes

The key difference between High Stakes and what some of you want, is that High Stakes is optional.

Some of you want the full blown removal of some PEC features and game play functions. This is what would make it an entirely different game.

Semia
07-21-2008, 08:54 PM
Removeing things makes a new game? Since when does subtraction via an update change the properties of a game? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif Since when are Rainbow games decided if they are new, current, or old just based on the removal of color schemes? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Please answer my question.

Robert21589
07-21-2008, 09:03 PM
Yes, removing the PEC from Vegas 2 does make an entirely different game.

On the back of the casing for this game, it promises users the ability to "Customize your character to reflect your inner operative. Use your unique character in all game modes--it evolves as you play."

So what happens when somebody buys this game, but doesn't have Live? They don't get this update and become accustomed to the PEC system. What happens when this person gets the update and PEC has been ripped out of the game? Now instead of simply having a mediocre game, you have a mediocre game with false advertising.

One of the key things veterans talk about is the way Vegas/2 has alienated the original, hardcore Rogue Spear/Raven Shield fan base.

The worst possible thing Ubisoft could do at this point, would be to alienate what little followers they still have left by taking away a feature that was touted as "unique and new" to the game.

If this was something you could turn on and off like High Stakes, it would be fine. Hell, I'd even support it. The full blown removal would be analogous to Ubisoft shooting themselves in the foot.

Ashley.
07-21-2008, 09:07 PM
Any color can be effective camo, it all depends on the environment. I use pink/purple camo all the time in casinos and blend in better with all the slot machines than I do when I wear woodland green.

I voted to keep all the colors.

AntiPersonnel
07-21-2008, 09:24 PM
Now that's just being picky. "Armor" doesn't exclusively mean "can stop bullets". Protection from bullets, from a flaming bottle of alcohol, protection from a wicked fall off the half-pipe. It's all armor.

Also I'm curious, what unit do you know of wears elbow and knee pads under their clothing? They must be horribly uncomfortable all the time.
according to this game, everything filed under ARMOR is meant to stop bullets. the ONLY thing the "PROTECTION INDEX" increases is the amount of bullets you can absorb.

it isnt realistic for riot gear to belong in a category that is treated as "ballistic protection". it should be where the Riot Helmet and other COSMETIC protection is kept, filed under clothing.


and WTF are you talking about wearing elbow pads underneath clothing? i said pads and riot gear should be FILED UNDER the clothing category in the menu, not WORN UNDER clothing.

Semia
07-21-2008, 09:27 PM
Originally posted by Robert21589:
Yes, removing the PEC from Vegas 2 does make an entirely different game.

On the back of the casing for this game, it promises users the ability to "Customize your character to reflect your inner operative. Use your unique character in all game modes--it evolves as you play."

So what happens when somebody buys this game, but doesn't have Live? They don't get this update and become accustomed to the PEC system. What happens when this person gets the update and PEC has been ripped out of the game? Now instead of simply having a mediocre game, you have a mediocre game with false advertising.

One of the key things veterans talk about is the way Vegas/2 has alienated the original, hardcore Rogue Spear/Raven Shield fan base.

The worst possible thing Ubisoft could do at this point, would be to alienate what little followers they still have left by taking away a feature that was touted as "unique and new" to the game.

If this was something you could turn on and off like High Stakes, it would be fine. Hell, I'd even support it. The full blown removal would be analogous to Ubisoft shooting themselves in the foot. It also says tactics and realism and when when did we say remove p.e.c?

DeimosWilliams
07-21-2008, 09:31 PM
Originally posted by Robert21589:
Yes, removing the PEC from Vegas 2 does make an entirely different game.

The worst possible thing Ubisoft could do at this point, would be to alienate what little followers they still have left by taking away a feature that was touted as "unique and new" to the game.

I agree with this comment, this is why I say leave the Non-Military camouflage in at this point.

However, in the next Rainbow 6 installment adjust the customization for the on-line multiplayer.

Chuck_Withers
07-21-2008, 09:44 PM
There is tactics Run and Gun is a tactic, dual door breaching is a tactic. Open Bang and clear is a "real tactic" so it is realistic in a sense. But yet you seem to ignore the fact that you can really use tactics but you are not forced to, although yes earlier games in the franchise did make you use the usage "tactics" this games leave it open and thus with games like Halo where running and gunning are the norm and because most people play halo thus why it is an over usage of tactic like back a few years where " camping" was the bad tactic in CS. Your biggest problem which is every ones problem is we are take it in our own personal way you want a tactical counter terrorist game like the old games use to be, but Ubisoft on the other hand wants to sell games so they can make money so they can pay there people so there people can live. Sure a Whino story but you have to look at it like this for every one hardcore gamer there is 5 people who dont give a real damn if team rainbow is a SWAT team or a Counter terrorist team they want a game which they can pick up shoot non alien things with some what realistic looking stuff and if you say **** it im not buying this game they dont care because there is 5 other people willing to buy it because they dont give a damn.

Oh and Anti he could be talking about inter graded elbow/knee pads found in some makes of camo.

AntiPersonnel
07-21-2008, 09:53 PM
Oh and Anti he could be talking about inter graded elbow/knee pads found in some makes of camo.
he was calling me out because he misread what i wrote. it had nothing to do with integrated pads in the BDU, read the post.

Semia
07-21-2008, 09:59 PM
If this continues this is what Rainbow Six and its community would look like


http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r99/Hekatef/lazlo.jpg

Chuck_Withers
07-21-2008, 10:00 PM
But that would involve work COME ON MAN!

Oh and roger roger on what you said anti just read the post

Semia
07-21-2008, 10:00 PM
Originally posted by Semia:
If this continues this is what Rainbow Six and its community would look like


http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r99/Hekatef/lazlo.jpg

AntiPersonnel
07-21-2008, 10:05 PM
ive already seen this character in RSV2.

yellow curved boonie
yellow/red custom camo BDU
clown face
MG36

Robert21589
07-21-2008, 10:16 PM
Originally posted by AntiPersonnel:
and WTF are you talking about wearing elbow pads underneath clothing? i said pads and riot gear should be FILED UNDER the clothing category in the menu, not WORN UNDER clothing.

Ah, my mistake. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif No harm, no foul, right?


Originally posted by Semia:
It also says tactics and realism and when when did we say remove p.e.c?

Listen, if you're not going to follow the discussion in your own thread, do not bother posting one at all.

I'm all for additional content, I'm against radical changes and removal of others. To make my point clear: High Stakes would be an example of additional content, not radical changes, as it is an optional feature.

DrSpas
07-21-2008, 11:45 PM
if someone wants to run around lie a bag of skittles, i think its thier choice. I would prefer more realistic camo colors, but i see no need to remove the existing anything, just add some new stuff.

WhiteKnight77
07-21-2008, 11:49 PM
Originally posted by Robert21589:
I'm all for additional content, I'm against radical changes and removal of others.

The irony of this statement astounds me.

WhiteKnight77
07-21-2008, 11:56 PM
To the poster who said I should join the military if I want realistic. News flash, I liked the R6 series due to prior military service. While not a CT, I understand uniforms and what is worn where. I understand movement. If I wanted to play a HALO/CoD/BF game, I would buy them, but I don't. The only HALO or High Altitude Low Opening thing I want to do is insert into a level in a GR type game, of which is another bastardized franchise.

Uniforms for a unit made up from NATO countries should reflect such and not the garish junk we see now.

For the record, RSE originally created Rainbow Six, Tom Clancy was forced to write the book, but still, the book and game have many parallels and coveys what a counterterrorist group would do.

AntiPersonnel
07-22-2008, 05:36 AM
I'm all for additional content, I'm against radical changes and removal of others. To make my point clear: High Stakes would be an example of additional content, not radical changes, as it is an optional feature.
you do realize that ever since Lockdown, every title is a RADICAL CHANGE (with removed KEY features) from the original R6?

however you think you might feel about us suggesting so-called "radical" changes is exactly how we feel now about the RADICAL changes that were already made to this franchise.

ERN456
07-22-2008, 08:07 AM
So can anyone post any pics of Spec ops doesnt matter if its SWAT, SAS whatever I just want to look like one thanks.

Xanavi23
07-22-2008, 09:02 AM
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/3756/sasvietnamnf6.jpg

Theres an SAS group from Vietnam...notice the lack of fruity colors.

Here's another more recent member of the SAS, again notice the lack of fruit-loop colors.

http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/1751/sassmock02hc9.jpg

signal13
07-22-2008, 09:18 AM
Originally posted by MD_Sennet:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by signal13:
"Are you guys SERIOUS!?!? THIS IS A GAME NOT REAL LIFE. If people want to make their own CUSTOM CAMO they can make it whatever they want. Why do you care what someone else wears? If its bright and goofy, THEY ARE EASIER TO SEE AND SHOOT!!! If you want realism, get in the Army...you people are rediuclous"

....Yeah I gotta agree. It's a game get a grip. Part of the appeal of a game is to have control over things like the camo, and unforms.
I wonder how many of the complaining have "real world" experience to back up some of thier complaints..lol
You are the reason UBI makes horrible Rainbow Six games now. You are their target audience. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Correct me if I'm wrong but uhmm..aren't you playing the same game too?, so wouldn't you be equally responsible if that was true. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

I work full time and every now and then I like to pass free time with games like this. Why? because even though it's similar to what I do it's not an exact replica to the form of a simulation where it's boring.
I like the original R6 series don't get me wrong I loved them. Would I have like to see Vegas go the same route, you betcha. But they didn't. Are some of the uniforms outlandish and not true to form yeah, but, hey it's a game not a simulation.

Sorry I'm not as passionate about this topic as some of you guys. Its just that I see this everyday, it's not that big of a deal to me. I take it for what it is ..a game. If i get tired of looking at uniforms that aren't accurately depicted, I'll take my happy @ss to work.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Morphial
07-22-2008, 10:38 AM
What about these

http://myrtus.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/05/18/police_mobil_unit_peru.jpg

http://www.cursor.org/images/herold_us_special_forces1.jpg

http://www.specwargear.com/images/USMC%20SRT-3.jpg

http://www.navy.mil/moh/mpmurphy/images/image005.jpg

http://www.blackfive.net/photos/uncategorized/2007/05/09/43825.jpg

http://br.geocities.com/pitbull_alsosprachzarathustra/u...l_forces_mh-47es.jpg (http://br.geocities.com/pitbull_alsosprachzarathustra/us_army_afeg_special_forces_mh-47es.jpg)

http://www.defencetalk.com/pictures/data/3085/medium/DutchSpecialForces-DefenceTalk.com001.jpg

http://www.specwargear.com/images/USMC%20SRT-9.jpg

http://www.specwargear.com/images/US%20others-15.jpg

WhiteKnight77
07-22-2008, 11:09 AM
What many people here who like the clown colors do not understand is the concept of team. A team all wears the same uniforms and wears the proper color uniform for a particular area or time of day for the matter.

Xanavi23
07-22-2008, 11:16 AM
Agreed brother, but i don't mind at all, if the overall look of the team is a bit different, say USMC/Urban Camo is worn by everybody but not on the exact same areas. However that still entails looking like a Unit.

GroundBranch
07-22-2008, 11:25 AM
Originally posted by Robert21589:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by GroundBranch:
LMAO http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif you really have zero knowledge about the history of this game!

Hey its your views and I am not going to dispute it with you, can I ask have either of you played R6, Rogue Spear or Raven Shield? I seem to think not! Or your responses would have been far different!

You ask why am I here, probably to survey the mess errr I mean direction of the current franchise to see where it goes and for my own amusement! You see I have always been here! Not with this account, the other expired two years ago, I have frequented these forums since 2001. You ask... "Why don't I play another game"¯, well I hate to inform you this WAS the game to play in that genre of military tactical FPS, it is now a joke a shadow of its former self!

You see the idealism and dynamics of this community have changed! You still have a lot of the old guard on here, but a lot have gone, or are waiting for a game called Ground Branch to arrive and at that point I will go too! I will probably drop in, in the future to see how things are going... I think by that point in R6 we will see total body coverage armour, pulse weapons and a hostage situation in a lunar moon base, or something along that lines to please the kiddies and keep em happy http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif.


Don't patronize me. I'm treating you as a mature gamer and I expect the same from you. I have played Rainbow Six way back on the Nintendo 64 and Black Arrow on the X-Box, but this is all trivial and irrelevant to the discussion at hand, as is your history on the forums.

You seem to be suffering from some sort of delusion that being a veteran of the series means that the game must be catered to your specifications. I hear Rogue Spear and Raven Shield were pretty fun games. That's great, I don't doubt it for a second. Unfortunately this is neither of those games. Whether the series is making a turn for the better or worse is not the topic at hand.

I did not ask "why do you play Rainbow Six". I am asking "Why do you play Vegas/2?" It's a very clear deviant from what the series is supposed to be, this has been established several times. However, these wonderfully pretentious changes you and several others want would be better suited for the NEXT installment. You're asking for an entirely different game.

Video games are meant to be enjoyed. If you don't enjoy a game, move along. Yes, the series is good and Vegas/2 is bad. Unfortunately this is what we have now. Don't hang onto it like a parasite bawwwing about how Ubisoft screwed you over as if it were a deliberate act.

Enjoy Ground Branch. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>



[/QUOTE]

Don't patronize me. I'm treating you as a mature gamer and I expect the same from you. I have played Rainbow Six way back on the Nintendo 64 and Black Arrow on the X-Box, but this is all trivial and irrelevant to the discussion at hand, as is your history on the forums.

****So you claim the old games are irrelevant, the games that were ground breaking (not my statement, that is an industry quote). So you played Black Arrow? Please tell me, I would like to know what do you prefer Black Arrow? Or Vegas 1&2. ***

You seem to be suffering from some sort of delusion that being a veteran of the series means that the game must be catered to your specifications. I hear Rogue Spear and Raven Shield were pretty fun games. That's great, I don't doubt it for a second. Unfortunately this is neither of those games. Whether the series is making a turn for the better or worse is not the topic at hand.

****Delusion... no that statement is just a figment of your imagination, and as for "game must be catered to your specifications"¯, no my specifications don't come into it! The game has always been based off the Tom Clancy R6 franchise; I suggest you read the R6 book! Realism was its main content and its speciality that is what attracted me to the franchise. The topic at hand, IS the state of the current in game PEC in contradiction to the original R6 games equipment & gear set up, being based more on real world then krusty the gay pink clown!****

I did not ask "why do you play Rainbow Six". I am asking "Why do you play Vegas/2?" It's a very clear deviant from what the series is supposed to be, this has been established several times. However, these wonderfully pretentious changes you and several others want would be better suited for the NEXT installment. You're asking for an entirely different game.

****You did ask why I play R6 games, Vegas is still classed as R6 game, even in its watered down bastardised state! "These wonderful pretentious changes"¯ sorry to inform you but! They are not changes! They have always been there since its inception; all the key original tactical elements are now stripped out! ****

Video games are meant to be enjoyed. If you don't enjoy a game, move along. Yes, the series is good and Vegas/2 is bad. Unfortunately this is what we have now. Don't hang onto it like a parasite bawwwing about how Ubisoft screwed you over as if it were a deliberate act.

****I do enjoy tactical gaming of the original R6 concept, I will move along when I choose too! Believe me in the virtual world of this forum and the physical world you could not move me a millimetre!!!! I am not a parasite; I am a Homo sapiens mammal last time I looked! The words "screwed you over"¯ never cam into context, Ubi changed what was a unique game concept to please a new target audience and you are that target audience!****

Enjoy Ground Branch.[/QUOTE]

****Thank you I will greatly! And hope you enjoy future instalments of Krusty the Clowns - Counter Clown Team ENJOYhttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif****

http://z.about.com/d/animatedtv/1/7/F/A/krustyheyhey.jpg

Semia
07-22-2008, 11:42 AM
Originally posted by GroundBranch:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Robert21589:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by GroundBranch:
LMAO http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif you really have zero knowledge about the history of this game!

Hey its your views and I am not going to dispute it with you, can I ask have either of you played R6, Rogue Spear or Raven Shield? I seem to think not! Or your responses would have been far different!

You ask why am I here, probably to survey the mess errr I mean direction of the current franchise to see where it goes and for my own amusement! You see I have always been here! Not with this account, the other expired two years ago, I have frequented these forums since 2001. You ask... "Why don't I play another game"¯, well I hate to inform you this WAS the game to play in that genre of military tactical FPS, it is now a joke a shadow of its former self!

You see the idealism and dynamics of this community have changed! You still have a lot of the old guard on here, but a lot have gone, or are waiting for a game called Ground Branch to arrive and at that point I will go too! I will probably drop in, in the future to see how things are going... I think by that point in R6 we will see total body coverage armour, pulse weapons and a hostage situation in a lunar moon base, or something along that lines to please the kiddies and keep em happy http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif.


Don't patronize me. I'm treating you as a mature gamer and I expect the same from you. I have played Rainbow Six way back on the Nintendo 64 and Black Arrow on the X-Box, but this is all trivial and irrelevant to the discussion at hand, as is your history on the forums.

You seem to be suffering from some sort of delusion that being a veteran of the series means that the game must be catered to your specifications. I hear Rogue Spear and Raven Shield were pretty fun games. That's great, I don't doubt it for a second. Unfortunately this is neither of those games. Whether the series is making a turn for the better or worse is not the topic at hand.

I did not ask "why do you play Rainbow Six". I am asking "Why do you play Vegas/2?" It's a very clear deviant from what the series is supposed to be, this has been established several times. However, these wonderfully pretentious changes you and several others want would be better suited for the NEXT installment. You're asking for an entirely different game.

Video games are meant to be enjoyed. If you don't enjoy a game, move along. Yes, the series is good and Vegas/2 is bad. Unfortunately this is what we have now. Don't hang onto it like a parasite bawwwing about how Ubisoft screwed you over as if it were a deliberate act.

Enjoy Ground Branch. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>



</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Don't patronize me. I'm treating you as a mature gamer and I expect the same from you. I have played Rainbow Six way back on the Nintendo 64 and Black Arrow on the X-Box, but this is all trivial and irrelevant to the discussion at hand, as is your history on the forums.

****So you claim the old games are irrelevant, the games that were ground breaking (not my statement, that is an industry quote). So you played Black Arrow? Please tell me, I would like to know what do you prefer Black Arrow? Or Vegas 1&2. ***

You seem to be suffering from some sort of delusion that being a veteran of the series means that the game must be catered to your specifications. I hear Rogue Spear and Raven Shield were pretty fun games. That's great, I don't doubt it for a second. Unfortunately this is neither of those games. Whether the series is making a turn for the better or worse is not the topic at hand.

****Delusion... no that statement is just a figment of your imagination, and as for "game must be catered to your specifications"¯, no my specifications don't come into it! The game has always been based off the Tom Clancy R6 franchise; I suggest you read the R6 book! Realism was its main content and its speciality that is what attracted me to the franchise. The topic at hand, IS the state of the current in game PEC in contradiction to the original R6 games equipment & gear set up, being based more on real world then krusty the gay pink clown!****

I did not ask "why do you play Rainbow Six". I am asking "Why do you play Vegas/2?" It's a very clear deviant from what the series is supposed to be, this has been established several times. However, these wonderfully pretentious changes you and several others want would be better suited for the NEXT installment. You're asking for an entirely different game.

****You did ask why I play R6 games, Vegas is still classed as R6 game, even in its watered down bastardised state! "These wonderful pretentious changes"¯ sorry to inform you but! They are not changes! They have always been there since its inception; all the key original tactical elements are now stripped out! ****

Video games are meant to be enjoyed. If you don't enjoy a game, move along. Yes, the series is good and Vegas/2 is bad. Unfortunately this is what we have now. Don't hang onto it like a parasite bawwwing about how Ubisoft screwed you over as if it were a deliberate act.

****I do enjoy tactical gaming of the original R6 concept, I will move along when I choose too! Believe me in the virtual world of this forum and the physical world you could not move me a millimetre!!!! I am not a parasite; I am a Homo sapiens mammal last time I looked! The words "screwed you over"¯ never cam into context, Ubi just moved a game franchise to please a new target audience and you are that target audience!****

Enjoy Ground Branch.[/QUOTE]

****Thank you I will greatly! And hope you enjoy future instalments of Krusty the Clowns - Counter Clown Team ENJOYhttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif****

http://z.about.com/d/animatedtv/1/7/F/A/krustyheyhey.jpg [/QUOTE]LOL YOU JUST GOT OWNED, Groud Branch, Authenticy, and Realistic appeal for the winner.

ERN456
07-22-2008, 02:32 PM
Originally posted by WhiteKnight77:
What many people here who like the clown colors do not understand is the concept of team. A team all wears the same uniforms and wears the proper color uniform for a particular area or time of day for the matter.

I agree it would be cooler if everyone wore the same camo and similar uniforms its a better way to know whos your teamate instead of that annoying Tom Clancy thing on your head.

Thanks to the people who posted the Spec Ops pics. I wish they would let you use olive camo on your face mask.

Morphial
07-22-2008, 03:04 PM
Originally posted by ERN456:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WhiteKnight77:
What many people here who like the clown colors do not understand is the concept of team. A team all wears the same uniforms and wears the proper color uniform for a particular area or time of day for the matter.

I agree it would be cooler if everyone wore the same camo and similar uniforms its a better way to know whos your teamate instead of that annoying Tom Clancy thing on your head.

Thanks to the people who posted the Spec Ops pics. I wish they would let you use olive camo on your face mask. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

ern456,

no problem mate

sent ages looking for real life pictures cause the clown thing just sucks!

Robert21589
07-22-2008, 04:57 PM
Originally posted by AntiPersonnel:
you do realize that ever since Lockdown, every title is a RADICAL CHANGE (with removed KEY features) from the original R6?

This is not a discussion about changes we want in the next installment in the Rainbow Six franchise. This is about changes to Vegas/2. Otherwise I would not be giving you such a hard time over it.


however you think you might feel about us suggesting so-called "radical" changes is exactly how we feel now about the RADICAL changes that were already made to this franchise.

If we were talking about the next Rainbow Six game I'd think these ideas would be pretty cool. Now unless you're reading an entirely different thread than I am, these suggestions were posted under the pretense that they would be changes to Vegas/2 as it is.


Originally posted by GroundBranch:

****Thank you I will greatly! And hope you enjoy future instalments of Krusty the Clowns - Counter Clown Team ENJOYhttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif****

http://z.about.com/d/animatedtv/1/7/F/A/krustyheyhey.jpg

OHAY thanx ;o

xxII_JaS_IIxx
07-22-2008, 05:20 PM
I have to say keep the game how it is, I worked hard to get to Elite 25 and some times I just want to go in game with solid colors like red and yellow. I earned it and that's my purgative if anyone else likes it or not.

Semia
07-22-2008, 05:27 PM
Originally posted by xxII_JaS_IIxx:
I have to say keep the game how it is, I worked hard to get to Elite 25 and some times I just want to go in game with solid colors like red and yellow. I earned it and that's my purgative if anyone else likes it or not.

If it makes me easier to hit then so be it. Tho from what I can tell como makes no difference in game other then personal expression. how about Ubi replace the dumb colors with Gear

Robert21589
07-22-2008, 06:34 PM
Originally posted by Semia:
how about Ubi replace the dumb colors with Gear


Originally posted by Robert21589:
Screw "more" gear. There is absolutely no reason for some pieces of armor to have been removed to begin with. If "more" gear means the return of the Hurricane Assault legs, the t-shirt and the premier of the pants Rainbow operatives get, I'd support it. There's no reason for anything to be sacrificed to have them.

taj75755
07-22-2008, 06:45 PM
why did ubi even remove those things we had in vegas 1 anyways? seriously ubi does some dumb ****....

ERN456
07-22-2008, 10:39 PM
Originally posted by GroundBranch:
Yes the Omega Tactical vest (in-game raven recon armour) is the only realistic vest to select from. Nearly all the PEC needs to be taken out! The game is supposed to about a NATO SPECIAL FORCES CT unit.

Remove: BS Custom camo – only keep navy, woodland, urban, black and olive green, snow (only if there are snow maps).
Remove: The armour (and the riot crap) and replace with Black Hawk and Interceptor vests.
Remove: The BS clown colours, Pink, Red, Orange and Yellow.
Remove: The night vision goggles and replace with AN PVS-7B goggles – keep the rest of eye ware.
Remove: Ballistic facemask and breathing masks.
Remove: That BS sc-fi mercenary helmet.
Remove: Anything that looks remotely sc-fi, HALO, Army of Two, Super Hero BS etc or another of that ********!
Remove: The Army of Two looking mercs in terrorist hunt, give us real looking terrorists and Black Water private military contractors – not someone who looks like they belong in a camp flash Gordon movie circa 1980.
Remove: Cover system – bring the lean back.
Remove: Regenerating health, I want to get shot and to limp... then die!
Kill: Logan and Bishop off with an IED.
Kill: Vegas, nuke it.
Kill: Spider Man, Capt America, Hulk or anyother crap like this! your either lost or on the wrong forum!


This is what needs to happen. If the games says tactical and realistic then why should people dress up like if they were playing a run n gun game.

Megalodon26
07-22-2008, 11:12 PM
A few things, keep the bright colours for SP only, and realistic ones for online (and for GODs sake, include black), and it would be covered by the existing disclaimer "ESRB warning - gameplay may vary or be altered while online" or however it goes. This way if you want to stare at youself for hours looking like Bozo the narsistic clown, go play offline.

I personally don't care what I look like, as long as the gear I select works, reduces damage and keeps the enemy from spotting me at any distance, then if they ever ditch the cover system, I can ask my buddies if I look cool getting the job done. On second thought, they won't care, since they will be doing their job of taking out bad guys, not acting as judges on America Next Combat Supermodel, and if I want to create the next hottest fashion must have, I can always plug in my daughters "Barbie Fashion desigher" CD.

As far as gear goes, there is no sufficiant reason the remove gear or weapons in a sequel, so all the gear from V1 should be there, with at least 5 additional options in each catagory, and failing to do so is just laziness on UBI's part, since the artistic team has very little to as far as coding the game, and I've seen others produce 3D models within a week or two, from start to finish.

Flo_145
07-23-2008, 04:39 AM
Who Remembers Medal of Honor; Pacific Assault?

That was the most realistic FPS game i have ever played. When you got shot you stay hurt until the medic runs over and heals you. When you go down the you have a predetermined time for the medic to "patch you up" before you die of your wounds

Even though it is set in WW2 its still the most realistic I have ever played. The Next best is one that is hated by 60% of the people that know of it.
Conflict

Corrupt2005
07-23-2008, 05:37 AM
Whats the opinion on berets out of interest?
Most of the time I'm in olive drab fatigues, the black ballistic starting vest, a black military cap and tactical sunglasses. Looks cool and reasonably tactical.Occasiaonlly switching olive drab to desert II camo on the sandy maps (CQB type colour ones) But ive bin known to run around in a bright red pseudo Paratrooper beret, but leaving the rest of the kit the same. What are opinions on that then?

Chuck_Withers
07-23-2008, 05:46 AM
Medal of Honor realistic is like saying Rambo is a good war movie

Xanavi23
07-23-2008, 06:16 AM
Originally posted by Corrupt2005:
Whats the opinion on berets out of interest?
Most of the time I'm in olive drab fatigues, the black ballistic starting vest, a black military cap and tactical sunglasses. Looks cool and reasonably tactical.Occasiaonlly switching olive drab to desert II camo on the sandy maps (CQB type colour ones) But ive bin known to run around in a bright red pseudo Paratrooper beret, but leaving the rest of the kit the same. What are opinions on that then?

Its not bad, not sure whether or not it has any less/more protection than say a tactical helmet but at least its pretty small so your head stays a relatively small target unlike say putting on a flight helmet.

Corrupt2005
07-23-2008, 07:28 AM
I'm happy with the size, I meant in reference to the new gucci pink and yellow camo craze people are complainging about here...

Xanavi23
07-23-2008, 08:15 AM
Originally posted by Corrupt2005:
I'm happy with the size, I meant in reference to the new gucci pink and yellow camo craze people are complainging about here...

Ohhhh, haha, my bad man. IMO, crimson camo isn't too bad..its a bit flashy but in certain areas on maps it can be used. Darker the better of course.

Semia
07-23-2008, 02:39 PM
It doesnt matter where it fits in this cqc game. If it isnt based off a authentic real life camo pattern or color then it shouldnt be in the game.


Thats like saying if the next Rainbow games the entire of the games bulidings where pink, and that should warant pink camo. I DONT THINK SO http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif


Well if UBI keeps dumbing down this series that might happen

ERN456
07-23-2008, 02:46 PM
If ubi keeps destroying the Tom Clancy franchises by appealing the run n gun crowd then Im going to look for a new company and a new game. Im tired of my R6 looking all colorful and crap. Im not buying more Ubi games until this game and the other Tom Clancy games are returned to their roots.

AntiPersonnel
07-23-2008, 02:46 PM
Originally posted by Corrupt2005:
Whats the opinion on berets out of interest?
Most of the time I'm in olive drab fatigues, the black ballistic starting vest, a black military cap and tactical sunglasses. Looks cool and reasonably tactical.Occasiaonlly switching olive drab to desert II camo on the sandy maps (CQB type colour ones) But ive bin known to run around in a bright red pseudo Paratrooper beret, but leaving the rest of the kit the same. What are opinions on that then?
the russians approve. a lot of russian spec ops units have a red beret as part of their uniform, but based on pics ive seen of them in action, they wear helmets with full-face shields in combat.

Spetsnaz operator:
http://club.guns.ru/images/specops/13.jpg

GroundBranch
07-23-2008, 02:56 PM
Hey Anipersonnel http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif I like that PP-19 silenced Bizon, 64-round magazine on it.

Red or green berets, most countries use them as a sign of elite forces.

AntiPersonnel
07-23-2008, 02:57 PM
the Bizon was one of my favorite up-close weapons in OGR.

GroundBranch
07-23-2008, 03:01 PM
good ole OGR, also in Operation Flash Point

Semia
07-23-2008, 03:49 PM
Red is only acceptable only on the beret

Xanavi23
07-23-2008, 06:08 PM
Dude, i like the re-do on the OP...nicely done, not to mention the gay purple and pink camo as well as the guy with the rediculous pose in the Wasp camo.
BTW, you're right about crimson...its not tactical, never fear, ive never worn it. Well maybe once, but it was just after i unloced it.
One thing though, i want to maintain Custom Camos...i design them from a tactical color stand-point, so i wouldnt want to lose them http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

AntiPersonnel
07-23-2008, 07:23 PM
i want to maintain Custom Camos...i design them from a tactical color stand-point, so i wouldnt want to lose them Wink.
i agree, in Vegas1 i was able to give my guy Urban Tiger stripes (black and dark grey) and in Vegas2, the only thing i can come close to it is only if i wear the baggy BDU pants (dark green + grey appears to look black/grey)

Xanavi23
07-23-2008, 09:23 PM
Originally posted by AntiPersonnel:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">i want to maintain Custom Camos...i design them from a tactical color stand-point, so i wouldnt want to lose them Wink.
i agree, in Vegas1 i was able to give my guy Urban Tiger stripes (black and dark grey) and in Vegas2, the only thing i can come close to it is only if i wear the baggy BDU pants (dark green + grey appears to look black/grey) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I hear that, pretty strange to have arbitrary colors like the lighter purple and not have a key shade of life..black.

Semia
07-23-2008, 10:02 PM
Originally posted by Xanavi23:
One thing though, i want to maintain Custom Camos...i design them from a tactical color stand-point, so i wouldnt want to lose them http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif. Custom camouflage should not give players custom colors but custom mixtures of real camouflage patterns and designs in which the player can mix and match to their desire.

Xanavi23
07-23-2008, 10:14 PM
Originally posted by Semia:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Xanavi23:
One thing though, i want to maintain Custom Camos...i design them from a tactical color stand-point, so i wouldnt want to lose them http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif. Custom camouflage should not give players custom colors but custom mixtures of real camouflage patterns and designs in which the player can mix and match to their desire. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'ld still like to dictate how the patterns are arranged. They could drop all the lame colors like Purple as the serve no real-life tactical purpose but i'ld still like to customize the pattern type/color. Just my opinion.

Semia
07-23-2008, 10:23 PM
Originally posted by Xanavi23:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Semia:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Xanavi23:
One thing though, i want to maintain Custom Camos...i design them from a tactical color stand-point, so i wouldnt want to lose them http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif. Custom camouflage should not give players custom colors but custom mixtures of real camouflage patterns and designs in which the player can mix and match to their desire. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'ld still like to dictate how the patterns are arranged. They could drop all the lame colors like Purple as the serve no real-life tactical purpose but i'ld still like to customize the pattern type/color. Just my opinion. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>thats what i said It would be the same just without acces to the lame colors

ERN456
07-23-2008, 11:37 PM
Anyone have pics of German and Swiss spec ops? Your pics would be appreciated http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Morphial
07-24-2008, 12:16 AM
ERN456

I have found these on google

swiss ops

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40803000/jpg/_40803845_enteringap203body.jpg

German

http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,783277,00.jpg

http://cache.viewimages.com/xc/1164315.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF1939057D9939C83F1067A0D4EBFE01DFA24 5A5397277B4DC33E

http://www.airventure.de/tag_der_heeresflieger_06/1/TdH_2006_KSK_Scharfschuetzen.jpg

http://www.justflecktarn.co.uk/images/chermans/ksk-soldaten-1.jpg

AntiPersonnel
07-24-2008, 12:24 AM
EKO Cobra (Austrian)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6d/EKO_Cobra3.jpg/436px-EKO_Cobra3.jpg

http://www.regionalnews.at/xedaq/src/uploads/images/regionimage/3811.jpg



SEK (germany)

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=9005&d=1151687239
(check out the AUG A3)

http://img.stern.de/_content/56/25/562537/sek_600_600.jpg



KSK (germany)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1850000/images/_1854187_300_ksk_afp_1_.jpg

http://www.kommando-spezialkraefte.eu/imgs/ksk040.jpg
(i love this tactical shemagh, it should be an option for headwear in the future)

http://www.kommando-spezialkraefte.eu/imgs/ksk004.jpg



GSG-9 (germany)

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/04Em31TdnS2BE/610x.jpg

Semia
07-24-2008, 12:28 AM
Is Ubi Level Up taking this all in for a near title update.

Remove irregular colors from camo selection

Morphial
07-24-2008, 12:36 AM
Originally posted by Semia:
Is Ubi Level Up taking this all in for a near title update.

Remove irregular colors from camo selection

I very much doubt it.

Robert21589
07-24-2008, 01:38 AM
Originally posted by AntiPersonnel:
http://www.kommando-spezialkraefte.eu/imgs/ksk040.jpg
(i love this tactical shemagh, it should be an option for headwear in the future)


I've been toying around with the bandana and half-face mask to recreate this look. Though I'm working with combinations of red and white to match the one some OpFor and Spetsnaz operatives wear in CoD4.

Nothing beats the real thing though, this and a head-set are items I'd like to see implemented, even if the latter would attract wannabe thugs.

GroundBranch
07-24-2008, 04:49 AM
Nice selection of pictures Antipersonnel http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif exactly how it should be!!!! the tactical shemagh is great!

Now for all of you that remember Lock Down, the game was absolute garbage but! Take a look at how the Rainbow operators looked within the game, notice head gear, colours, body armour, this is far more accurate and realistic than both Vegas titles!

I like this look, you can identify your team, they all look like their real life Special Forces counterparts. Notice the operator with the British Flag on his arm, I think he was ex SAS in the game. He is wearing an SAS hooded smock and fire resistant open faced balaclava.


http://rainbowsix.3dretreat.com/images/r6lockdown_operatives.jpg

Semia
07-24-2008, 06:48 AM
Originally posted by GroundBranch:
Nice selection of pictures Antipersonnel http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif exactly how it should be!!!! the tactical shemagh is great!

Now for all of you that remember Lock Down, the game was absolute garbage but! Take a look at how the Rainbow operators looked within the game, notice head gear, colours, body armour, this is far more accurate and realistic than both Vegas titles!

I like this look, you can identify your team, they all look like their real life Special Forces counterparts. Notice the operator with the British Flag on his arm, I think he was ex SAS in the game. He is wearing an SAS hooded smock and fire resistant open faced balaclava.


http://rainbowsix.3dretreat.com/images/r6lockdown_operatives.jpg yes colpy this clothing and camo color example but please don't bring back this games gameplay, graffics, or anything along those lines.

Semia
07-24-2008, 06:55 AM
Can someone get a list of every camo color in Vegas 2 so i can list the ones not needed in the OP.

Semia
07-24-2008, 07:18 AM
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ERN456
07-24-2008, 08:00 AM
Cool thanks for the pics guys.

Morphial
07-24-2008, 08:02 AM
De nada,

GroundBranch
07-24-2008, 08:53 AM
Originally posted by Semia:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by GroundBranch:
Nice selection of pictures Antipersonnel http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif exactly how it should be!!!! the tactical shemagh is great!

Now for all of you that remember Lock Down, the game was absolute garbage but! Take a look at how the Rainbow operators looked within the game, notice head gear, colours, body armour, this is far more accurate and realistic than both Vegas titles!

I like this look, you can identify your team, they all look like their real life Special Forces counterparts. Notice the operator with the British Flag on his arm, I think he was ex SAS in the game. He is wearing an SAS hooded smock and fire resistant open faced balaclava.

http://rainbowsix.3dretreat.com/images/r6lockdown_operatives.jpg
yes colpy this clothing and camo color example but please don't bring back this games gameplay, graffics, or anything along those lines. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No not the crap gameplay... god no http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif but the overall look of these R6 operators, the body armour and BDU's, are more like a real counter terrorist unit than what Vegas offers.

Immersion is a key factor for me when I play these type of games, R6 always had this! Vegas kinda lost its way. Yes I think Vegas is a better game than Lock Down, yet strangely Lock Down had more realistic looking R6 Operators and the worse game play ever.

What do you think Antipersonnel?

WhiteKnight77
07-24-2008, 11:25 AM
I would remove the identification markings/patches. Rainbow is a secret group.

oorlogshond
07-24-2008, 11:40 AM
Originally posted by WhiteKnight77:
I would remove the identification markings/patches. Rainbow is a secret group.

Exactly. Balaclava's only. The guy third from the right is the most Rainbow of the bunch, minus the arm patch. Well almost, he needs some big *** tactical goggles too and he's done.

GroundBranch
07-24-2008, 11:47 AM
Yeah im with you both on that one

Doc_Gerbil_1
07-24-2008, 01:09 PM
Who says the online players are Rainbow members? I'm pretty sure they're Mercenaries. I hate the vest selection myself, but I like the solid red sometimes. It works well in Killhouse and Streets - it actually camouflages there.

Also, I rock the beret sometimes. No one in their right mind would wear a beret into battle, but if you're a mercenary walking around guarding a base, it's his decision if he wants to wear a beret. The armor often comes out of his own wallet. Or if you're a spec-ops unit at the shooting range like that Spetsnaz picture, you'd be required to wear a beret.

Xanavi23
07-24-2008, 02:59 PM
Originally posted by Doc_Gerbil_1:
Who says the online players are Rainbow members? I'm pretty sure they're Mercenaries. I hate the vest selection myself, but I like the solid red sometimes. It works well in Killhouse and Streets - it actually camouflages there.

Thats a very good point. I'll always bear tactically colored clothing but looking like Copycat Rainbow Operatives isn't something i necessarily want or should have to do. Thats great for story but for Online, they never actually say you're a Rainbow Member. Like you said, you could be a Mercenary or one of the Black Bear type Private Contracted soldiers(both pretty much the same) that were operating in Iraq if I'm not mistaken. Probably wear the same type of color Camo, field-wear and Armor as Rainbow members but not down to a tee.

Hope nobody takes offense, im not saying looking a Rainbow member is a bad thing just not what i would have to be forced to look totally like.

ERN456
07-24-2008, 03:03 PM
Who says that those who dress up like counter terrorists are rainbow you know there is many real counter terrorist organizations from different countries.

Semia
07-24-2008, 03:38 PM
sorry but Ubi says your a Rainbow member as you are Bishop or Knight as your character is the same throughout the game.

You also level up by Rainbow Six Ranks and there is a bravo and alpha team

ERN456
07-24-2008, 03:41 PM
Oh well Ill imagine Im not rainbow then.

Semia
07-24-2008, 03:58 PM
remember to vote check and see if you did

AntiPersonnel
07-24-2008, 04:17 PM
Originally posted by WhiteKnight77:
I would remove the identification markings/patches. Rainbow is a secret group.
actually this is true, especially with flags. in the event something goes wrong, there should be some room for political deniability.

imagine Jorg gets killed in action and the enemy recovers his body. they ask "who the F are these people? i dont know but check out that german flag on his arm. germany is responsible for this attack!" when in fact germany has nothing to do with R6 operations (technically Rainbow shouldnt even exist to the public, so no country should be able to claim responsibility)

with the 22nd SAS, they have absolutely nothing on their uniform that bears any kind of numbers, marking, ID or patches other than the colored square on their arm to differentiate between squads. once those masks go on, even the team members themselves cannot tell each other apart by name. the truest form of "anonymous operator"

Xanavi23
07-24-2008, 04:21 PM
Originally posted by ERN456:
Oh well Ill imagine Im not rainbow then.

Like wise...Rainbows cool...but i'll also imagine im a member of another Unit.

Semia
07-24-2008, 05:51 PM
Originally posted by AntiPersonnel:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WhiteKnight77:
I would remove the identification markings/patches. Rainbow is a secret group.
actually this is true, especially with flags. in the event something goes wrong, there should be some room for political deniability.

imagine Jorg gets killed in action and the enemy recovers his body. they ask "who the F are these people? i dont know but check out that german flag on his arm. germany is responsible for this attack!" when in fact germany has nothing to do with R6 operations (technically Rainbow shouldnt even exist to the public, so no country should be able to claim responsibility)

with the 22nd SAS, they have absolutely nothing on their uniform that bears any kind of numbers, marking, ID or patches other than the colored square on their arm to differentiate between squads. once those masks go on, even the team members themselves cannot tell each other apart by name. the truest form of "anonymous operator" </div></BLOCKQUOTE>But who else is resembles the SAS?

Back on the main topic

AntiPersonnel
07-24-2008, 07:19 PM
well with the SAS, the "no-ID" persona of their kit is to retain individual anonymity more than it is for deniability

i think the UK govt officially takes full responsibility for SAS involvement, as they are a military SF unit, so deniability isnt an issue (correct me if im wrong).

in the case with highly covert paramilitary organizations (not officially belonging to any one nations military) such as CIA and in this case something like Rainbow, no country can take responsibility for their actions so it would be in their best interests to remain anonymous for deniability reasons (again, correct me if i am wrong)

Robert21589
07-24-2008, 08:09 PM
Originally posted by Semia:
sorry but Ubi says your a Rainbow member as you are Bishop or Knight as your character is the same throughout the game.

You also level up by Rainbow Six Ranks and there is a bravo and alpha team

You're really only Bishop/Knight in the story mode. Unless somewhere in Hereford there's a facility with a ton of Bishop and Knight clones, I don't know.

To be honest, I've always seen the multiplayer(in Vegas/2) as an all-inclusive training exercise, since the crimson and pink camos specifically say they are intended for training purposes. The latter is used to handicap elite operatives.

It's probably really farfetched and absurd, when you think of the Vegas chapter like that, all the ridiculous features don't seem so bad.

Semia
07-24-2008, 08:17 PM
Originally posted by Robert21589:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Semia:
sorry but Ubi says your a Rainbow member as you are Bishop or Knight as your character is the same throughout the game.

You also level up by Rainbow Six Ranks and there is a bravo and alpha team

You're really only Bishop/Knight in the story mode. Unless somewhere in Hereford there's a facility with a ton of Bishop and Knight clones, I don't know.

To be honest, I've always seen the multiplayer(in Vegas/2) as an all-inclusive training exercise, since the crimson and pink camos specifically say they are intended for training purposes. The latter is used to handicap elite operatives.

It's probably really farfetched and absurd, when you think of the Vegas chapter like that, all the ridiculous features don't seem so bad. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Omg from that statement i am scared about the mindset of the UBI developers

Xanavi23
07-24-2008, 09:40 PM
Originally posted by Robert21589:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Semia:
sorry but Ubi says your a Rainbow member as you are Bishop or Knight as your character is the same throughout the game.

You also level up by Rainbow Six Ranks and there is a bravo and alpha team

You're really only Bishop/Knight in the story mode. Unless somewhere in Hereford there's a facility with a ton of Bishop and Knight clones, I don't know.

To be honest, I've always seen the multiplayer(in Vegas/2) as an all-inclusive training exercise, since the crimson and pink camos specifically say they are intended for training purposes. The latter is used to handicap elite operatives.

It's probably really farfetched and absurd, when you think of the Vegas chapter like that, all the ridiculous features don't seem so bad. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hahaha....if thats a training session, then me blowing off a comrades head with the SV-98 and the blood exploding from said head is pretty damn realistic.

Real720
07-24-2008, 10:40 PM
Originally posted by gunner6903:
Are you guys SERIOUS!?!? THIS IS A GAME NOT REAL LIFE. If people want to make their own CUSTOM CAMO they can make it whatever they want. Why do you care what someone else wears? If its bright and goofy, THEY ARE EASIER TO SEE AND SHOOT!!! If you want realism, get in the Army...you people are rediuclous
you can't even spell ridiculous right.

WhiteKnight77
07-24-2008, 11:37 PM
I always played R6/RS as Homer Johnston (he is in the book BTW).

The whole idea behind the game to begin with is you played as the team, even in MP. What Ubi has thrust upon y'all is nothing but a clone of something else and as been said before, a mediocre clone at that.

Semia
07-24-2008, 11:38 PM
Go vote on the poll

WhiteKnight77
07-24-2008, 11:48 PM
I already have.

Xanavi23
07-25-2008, 05:35 AM
Originally posted by WhiteKnight77:
I always played R6/RS as Homer Johnston (he is in the book BTW).

The whole idea behind the game to begin with is you played as the team, even in MP. What Ubi has thrust upon y'all is nothing but a clone of something else and as been said before, a mediocre clone at that.

I imagine you're right about that as you've been playing Rainbow Games from back when they were the hardcore Counterstrike(not carbon copy) type of tactical shooter. But in Vegas 2 at least on PS3, Ubisoft doesn't actually do anything to make you feel like you're part of said team(the Rainbow Unit) in Online Multi-player.

ERN456
07-25-2008, 07:38 AM
In the 360 community there is too little people who know anything about past R6 games and go on saying things like this game should be more like COD4 with Grenade launchers and M107s. I guess they got some of COD4 with their sprinting and grenade indicators. Besides you can never feel part of a team with that community because most of the people are really immature and start fighting about something stupid like who has the highest rank and who uses the best weapon.

WhiteKnight77
07-25-2008, 11:48 AM
Originally posted by Xanavi23:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WhiteKnight77:
I always played R6/RS as Homer Johnston (he is in the book BTW).

The whole idea behind the game to begin with is you played as the team, even in MP. What Ubi has thrust upon y'all is nothing but a clone of something else and as been said before, a mediocre clone at that.

I imagine you're right about that as you've been playing Rainbow Games from back when they were the hardcore Counterstrike(not carbon copy) type of tactical shooter. But in Vegas 2 at least on PS3, Ubisoft doesn't actually do anything to make you feel like you're part of said team(the Rainbow Unit) in Online Multi-player. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The makers of CS got their inspiration for their mod with R6 which flattered the guys at RSE.

Xanavi23
07-25-2008, 11:58 AM
The makers of CS got their inspiration for their mod with R6 which flattered the guys at RSE.

Ahh, i stand corrected. Thats even better.

I_Hate_UbiHard
07-25-2008, 12:19 PM
Originally posted by Xanavi23:
But in Vegas 2 Ubisoft doesn't actually do anything to make you feel like you're part of said team(the Rainbow Unit) in Online Multi-player. Maybe once they remove all of the ******ed and unneed camo colors such as yellow, pink, etc they can give the host the option to select uniformed team camos for alpha and Bravo Team like the host can do in GRAW.

Maybe that should also be a poll option.


Is Ubi doing anything about this we want a response.

ERN456
07-25-2008, 12:23 PM
No they are not doing anything or we would have a devs response and unfortunately for us devs dont care about these forums.

I_Hate_UbiHard
07-25-2008, 12:24 PM
Everyone PM Ubi LevelUp so he can respond here

Chuck_Withers
07-25-2008, 02:47 PM
Originally posted by ERN456:
In the 360 community there is too little people who know anything about past R6 games and go on saying things like this game should be more like COD4 with Grenade launchers and M107s. I guess they got some of COD4 with their sprinting and grenade indicators. Besides you can never feel part of a team with that community because most of the people are really immature and start fighting about something stupid like who has the highest rank and who uses the best weapon.

Dude that is one of the best post's I have seen in a while, all I would add in is most people don't even talk on live anymore so planning anything is hard that and trying to staywith that group is also hard as well

ERN456
07-25-2008, 02:56 PM
Nobody makes plans because this game is like a run n gun fest you dont need to plan anything you just go on your own and kill 4 guys say defending the bomb, intel, hostages I dont know who ever thought of that. One guy shouldnt be able to kill 4 guys unless they are really that stupid to get killed.

Action_Carl
07-26-2008, 09:14 AM
Ya'll never be a true R6V2 playa until you can roll LIKE DIS:
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb152/ActionCarl/animation/Thizz.gif http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb152/ActionCarl/animation/Thizz.gif http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb152/ActionCarl/animation/Thizz.gif
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb152/ActionCarl/awesome/HOWIROLL.png
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb152/ActionCarl/animation/Thizz.gif http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb152/ActionCarl/animation/Thizz.gif http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb152/ActionCarl/animation/Thizz.gif

Chuck_Withers
07-26-2008, 10:37 AM
Originally posted by ERN456:
Nobody makes plans because this game is like a run n gun fest you dont need to plan anything you just go on your own and kill 4 guys say defending the bomb, intel, hostages I dont know who ever thought of that. One guy shouldnt be able to kill 4 guys unless they are really that stupid to get killed.

Very correct lol, you can still find some guys who have some what of a plan. But tis true I've some how manged to pull it off pure luck with some skill in there, but hey what can you do. So to keep this thread on topic what kinda of gear are talking about CIRAS 82 H pattern come on now

GroundBranch
07-26-2008, 11:05 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Action_Carl:
Ya'll never be a true R6V2 playa until you can roll LIKE DIS:

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb152/ActionCarl/awesome/HOWIROLL.png

That is a very tactical looking realistic CT operator you have there, great to see you keeping it real, adds total integrity to this thread http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

I didn't realise Krusty the Clown was recruiting for the gay circus anti terror team, apparently he is and you are the number one combat clown specialist. YOU WIN A GOLDFISH IN A GLASS BOWL CONGRATS COMMANDER KRUSTY WOULD BE PROUD OF YA http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

http://www.furiousseasons.com/blog%20images/krusty.jpg

Chuck_Withers
07-26-2008, 11:59 AM
man who wouldnt want to rock like that really come on it blends in with vegas which is what he wants to do http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

ERN456
07-26-2008, 12:59 PM
I really hate the vest selection there is only one real life vest in the game the rest are made up and they all look stupid.

Xanavi23
07-26-2008, 01:06 PM
Originally posted by ERN456:
I really hate the vest selection there is only one real life vest in the game the rest are made up and they all look stupid.

Which one is the real one ? I always thought it was Anaconda cause i thought i saw US and Canadian troops wearing them in their current respective fights. But i remember some one saying it was another vest.

ERN456
07-26-2008, 02:52 PM
I believe its the raven recon armor but I dont know. I would rather like some of the vests Spec ops use today than some made up ones.

Chuck_Withers
07-26-2008, 03:06 PM
Raven Recon is a true to life vest.

Robert21589
07-26-2008, 03:52 PM
Originally posted by Xanavi23:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ERN456:
I really hate the vest selection there is only one real life vest in the game the rest are made up and they all look stupid.

Which one is the real one ? I always thought it was Anaconda cause i thought i saw US and Canadian troops wearing them in their current respective fights. But i remember some one saying it was another vest. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Some are similar to some real life armors. I suppose it's because Ubi wants the real life experience, but can't afford the licensing.

AntiPersonnel
07-26-2008, 06:40 PM
omega tactical vest

http://www.blackhawk.com/images/catalog/30VT05_3.JPG

AntiPersonnel
07-26-2008, 06:46 PM
the anaconda is sorta based on this (worn by some LE and CT units like Hong Kong's SDU):

http://www.evike.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/Vest_SWAT_SAMURAI_lg.gif


and then theres one thats something similar to this (like what LAPD SWAT wears)

http://www.wolverineqtg.com/images/lapd-vest-l2.jpg

ERN456
07-26-2008, 09:19 PM
Is the Diamondback based on what the US army uses because it looks similar but I dont know since there might be another armor thats similar to it.

AntiPersonnel
07-26-2008, 10:05 PM
actually now that i think about it i cant remember which one was which (diamond back or anaconda) the one i posted up there is one thats supposed to be like the heavy armor one in-game (highest protection index)


i think US Army standard issue vest is the Interceptor (correct me if im wrong) which doesnt look like any of the vests in the game other than the fact they have MOLLE webbing

http://www.bulletproofme.com/Interceptor%20-%20Original/Interceptor-Front-Coyote-L.jpg

Chuck_Withers
07-27-2008, 12:41 AM
Thought Standard kevlar vest was CIRAS but really in most battle fields ops its all personal preference

that1guy1980
07-27-2008, 12:42 AM
Originally posted by DeimosWilliams:
I would leave it alone for now, maybe in the next R6 they can tone down a little bit.

As annoying as it is, it's probably on the bottom of the list of things I would like to be addressed.

I understand how important customization is though, but just because they limit the colors doesn't mean they have to limit what you can do to your uniform.

Maybe designing your own gear, clothings, and armor from a basic set of pieces (ammo, pouches, holsters, etc.) that you can add.

yeah, the gear design would be awesome

Chuck_Withers
07-27-2008, 12:47 AM
Well they should only keep the tank top if they give you an M60, come on who doesn't wantto pull off the FMJ look lmao

that1guy1980
07-27-2008, 12:48 AM
Originally posted by gunner6903:
Are you guys SERIOUS!?!? THIS IS A GAME NOT REAL LIFE. If people want to make their own CUSTOM CAMO they can make it whatever they want. Why do you care what someone else wears? If its bright and goofy, THEY ARE EASIER TO SEE AND SHOOT!!! If you want realism, get in the Army...you people are rediuclous

I agree totally

that1guy1980
07-27-2008, 01:11 AM
Originally posted by Chuck_Withers:
There is tactics Run and Gun is a tactic, dual door breaching is a tactic. Open Bang and clear is a "real tactic" so it is realistic in a sense. But yet you seem to ignore the fact that you can really use tactics but you are not forced to, although yes earlier games in the franchise did make you use the usage "tactics" this games leave it open and thus with games like Halo where running and gunning are the norm and because most people play halo thus why it is an over usage of tactic like back a few years where " camping" was the bad tactic in CS. Your biggest problem which is every ones problem is we are take it in our own personal way you want a tactical counter terrorist game like the old games use to be, but Ubisoft on the other hand wants to sell games so they can make money so they can pay there people so there people can live. Sure a Whino story but you have to look at it like this for every one hardcore gamer there is 5 people who dont give a real damn if team rainbow is a SWAT team or a Counter terrorist team they want a game which they can pick up shoot non alien things with some what realistic looking stuff and if you say **** it im not buying this game they dont care because there is 5 other people willing to buy it because they dont give a damn.

Oh and Anti he could be talking about inter graded elbow/knee pads found in some makes of camo.

The ultimate answer, I agree all the way

AntiPersonnel
07-27-2008, 03:22 AM
Originally posted by Chuck_Withers:
Thought Standard kevlar vest was CIRAS but really in most battle fields ops its all personal preference
not 100% sure, but i dont think CIRAS is standard issue for US Army. more of a SF/spec ops vest.

but i was wrong about the interceptor. i went back and read up and it looks like has been replaced with the IOTV which does look kinda similar to the Diamondback armor,l so ERN is right about that.

http://www.armytimes.com/xml/news/2007/05/army_armorcontracts_070523w/AT_OTV_070524_800p.JPG

oorlogshond
07-27-2008, 04:28 AM
The last 5 armor pictures that have been posted are exactly the kind of PEC options we should have gotten instead of the ridiculous looking carnival crap. Eventhough we have atleast the recon vest and some that look similar, they all look WAY to bulky.

AntiPersonnel
07-27-2008, 04:36 AM
Eventhough we have atleast the recon vest and some that look similar, they all look WAY to bulky.
yeah, thats why i never even use the Anaconda or Diamondback. even with SAPI plates vests in real life arent THAT thick. i mean it looks like he is wearing a Sealy Posturepedic™ on his chest.

oorlogshond
07-27-2008, 04:48 AM
Originally posted by AntiPersonnel:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Eventhough we have atleast the recon vest and some that look similar, they all look WAY to bulky.
yeah, thats why i never even use the Anaconda or Diamondback. even with SAPI plates vests in real life arent THAT thick. i mean it looks like he is wearing a Sealy Posturepedic™ on his chest. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah and then there's the thing that they've put most of the bulk in the wrong place. Most of the bulk(ammo etc) of a vest should be around the waist. That's where you have the most strenght and stability.

You'll break your back with something like the Diamondback.

Chuck_Withers
07-27-2008, 12:11 PM
Originally posted by oorlogshond:
The last 5 armor pictures that have been posted are exactly the kind of PEC options we should have gotten instead of the ridiculous looking carnival crap. Eventhough we have atleast the recon vest and some that look similar, they all look WAY to bulky.
It's all about licencing issues as well you have to buy the equipment to model it properly and to get good MOCAP or they way the equipment looks on the player then after all that you have to licence it not enough bang for the buck really, thats why its these half assed looking armours

SanitysEclips3
07-27-2008, 01:01 PM
More Spec-ops pictures http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Afghani ANA Commandos
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/27/ANA_commando_training.JPG/800px-ANA_commando_training.JPG

Australian SAS
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/af/SASR_Tactical_Assault_Group.jpg

Norwegian FSK
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d3/Fly37_13458a.jpg

More to come later.

Mr.Hanky2005
07-27-2008, 03:38 PM
Originally posted by AntiPersonnel:
i mean it looks like he is wearing a Sealy Posturepedic™ on his chest.

LOL At least he has comfort http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

And I agree with you davies. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

WhiteKnight77
07-27-2008, 06:35 PM
I don't know about anyone else, but the clown wearing the yellow camoflauge tank top has his shoes on backwards from the looks of things. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

If anyone hasn't noticed, one thing all the pics show (outside of the screens from the game) is that everyone is wearing the same uniforms. How innovative! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

Chuck_Withers
07-27-2008, 06:54 PM
They are not wearing the same uniform! HASA there is always minor differences LOL just kidding hahaha

Megalodon26
07-27-2008, 07:13 PM
Originally posted by SanitysEclips3:
More Spec-ops pictures http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Australian SAS
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/af/SASR_Tactical_Assault_Group.jpg

More to come later.

I just don't know. When the MP5 has versions with integrated taclights, why on earth would anyone strap ona mag light like that. It's gotta throw of the balance of the weapon and make it difficult to look down the sights. I guess the Aussies have a different meaning for "special" in their SAS.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c4/V17907864/church_lady.jpg

"Isn't that Special!"

Chuck_Withers
07-27-2008, 07:18 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v223/Titan62/Canadian%20Military/060727_CSOR_02.jpg

JTF2 Training

cracker_JPD
07-27-2008, 07:39 PM
"Should Ubi remove non Military camouflage colors and replace them with more P.E.C gear in a near title update?"

who cares its just a game if you want it realistic go join the army

"Should the function of Thermal and Night Vision be disabled and only be available by players whose P.E.C characters are equipped with the correct optical gear meaning the Night Vision goggles or the default Ballistic Assault Helmet?"

no they should be visible on the body some where so it doesn't look like i comes from nowhere and should be over the eyes so people know its on

AntiPersonnel
07-27-2008, 07:55 PM
Originally posted by bigrexxx:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SanitysEclips3:
More Spec-ops pictures http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Australian SAS
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/af/SASR_Tactical_Assault_Group.jpg

More to come later.

I just don't know. When the MP5 has versions with integrated taclights, why on earth would anyone strap ona mag light like that. It's gotta throw of the balance of the weapon and make it difficult to look down the sights. I guess the Aussies have a different meaning for "special" in their SAS.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c4/V17907864/church_lady.jpg

"Isn't that Special!" </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

as far as i know the British SAS were the first to mount a "torch" on top of the MP5 like that, using the sight rail. but that was a while back back (in the 70's/80's, ??).

i wonder what the date is when the Australian SAS pic was taken. looks really old and outdated to me.

AntiPersonnel
07-27-2008, 09:47 PM
this is freaking awesome:

im waiting for this book to come out, but check out that cover photo

http://images.barnesandnoble.com/images/28140000/28141825.jpg

i cant even begin to count all the win that this one photo has. skull balaclava masks, the flag... and even a pet goat in the front.


i do wonder though, do teams wear this mask in combat or is this just for photo effect?

http://www.cruisercustomizing.com/images/BLCLV008-Skull_600.jpg

Megalodon26
07-27-2008, 10:53 PM
Well I had a look, but didn't see any other samples of an MP5 or any other weapon with a flashlight mounted on top like that, did see an MP5 with a GL though, hopefully used with smoke or CS gas for CQB.

I also found this little interesting fellow, seems the Taiwanese Special Air Service like themselves some Army of Two/ Vegas action themselves.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c4/V17907864/299428125_8d7cabbd06.jpg

AntiPersonnel
07-28-2008, 02:05 AM
yea the ballistic face mask was once used by, i think, the LAPD SWAT some years ago as well (doubt they still use it, it seems really impractical)

abnegnejs
07-28-2008, 03:37 AM
Originally posted by cracker_JPD:
who cares its just a game if you want it realistic go join the army

If you want unrealistic, go play Halo.

Semia
07-28-2008, 05:01 AM
GRAW 2 IS PERFECT > RAINBOW SX VEGAS 2 AND IM A RAINBOW FAN

Chuck_Withers
07-28-2008, 05:37 AM
LMAO! Graw 2 perfect HAHAHAHALMAH HAHAHAHAHDALDFAFA no just no

Real720
07-28-2008, 06:15 AM
Originally posted by Semia:
GRAW 2 IS PERFECT > RAINBOW SX VEGAS 2 AND IM A RAINBOW FAN
You're joking right? Neither of them are perfect!

Real720
07-28-2008, 06:15 AM
Originally posted by abnegnejs:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by cracker_JPD:
who cares its just a game if you want it realistic go join the army

If you want unrealistic, go play Halo. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
hahaha! OWNED!

oorlogshond
07-28-2008, 06:17 AM
GRAW2 was alot better then Vegas, but perfect? No sorry.

Atleast GRAW2 had realistic looking characters/armor and a real coop campaign that's worth playing with your friends. It's too bad we didn't get a first person weapon view and a hardcore mode.

DeimosWilliams
07-28-2008, 09:27 AM
Originally posted by AntiPersonnel:
i do wonder though, do teams wear this mask in combat or is this just for photo effect?


I don't think it's prohibited for an ENTIRE team to wear matching skull masks, it would just take the right group of guys (obviously from the cover of the book.)

But, they are definitely common place on the battle field.

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s150/deimoswilliams/skulltwo.jpg

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s150/deimoswilliams/skullone.jpg

And this is the opening sequence to a low budget Christian Bale movie called Harsh Times with a team wearing the skull masks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfB861aT-Bg

InfiltratorXX
07-28-2008, 01:42 PM
What people choose to where is personal choice, and to remove a COMPLETELY OPTIONAL FEATURE THAT HAS NO DIRECT INFLUENCE ON YOU, is ridiculous. I don't wear clown colors, but if someone wants to stick out, or have a custom clan get-up how does that effect my game? And remember, this a game that not only features HARD CORE SUPER RAINBOW OPERATORS but could be considered from the perspectve of a terrorist, who would not have access to the most tactical looking gear, and why would you want to punish players who want to have that look? Sure "magic" nightvision is strange, but why would you unbalance the game and get rid of the feature just to be more hardcore? Instead of lame drastic measures the best solution would be compromise, and make Nightvision integrated automatically into the costume, regardless of what you're wearing. Everyone has NV goggles around their necks and since this the same world that has Sam Fisher they would be all-purpose goggles. I can understand "elitests" wanting their hardcore super realistic rainbow six game back, but alienating players by removing OPTIONS is bad business. The Vegas series might have been casualised but it has also been more successful than the other recent games. So, shooting themselves in the foot just to please a small group of people can only hurt the game.

oorlogshond
07-28-2008, 03:03 PM
How small or big is the hardcore crowd anyway? I honestly have no idea but next year is going to be a very interesting year for the console. No less then 3 hardcore titles are lurking on the horizon. We've already seen the trailer of Operation Flashpoint 2 and on the first of september the website of Armed Assault 2 is going online: ArmA 2 (http://www.arma2.com/). And then there's ofcourse Ground Branch but it's still a little uncertain whether this is actually coming to the console. Let's hope it does.

But man, we're talking about three combat sims in the same year. Possibly even in the same period/season. There has to be some kind of market out there.

AntiPersonnel
07-28-2008, 05:30 PM
Sure "magic" nightvision is strange, but why would you unbalance the game and get rid of the feature just to be more hardcore? Instead of lame drastic measures the best solution would be compromise, and make Nightvision integrated automatically into the costume, regardless of what you're wearing. Everyone has NV goggles around their necks and since this the same world that has Sam Fisher they would be all-purpose goggles.
well the thing with the NVG/thermals is it really shouldnt be a "given"

you should have to equip it as an item same as gas mask. otherwise what is the point of even having smoke grenades really? the use of smoke screen is extremely limited as it is. you claim this will unbalance the game? i personally think it is unbalanced as it is now.

also note that this IS NOT the same "world" as Splinter Cell.

they are both written in 2 totally different universes (well, at least back when Tom Clancy had a say in it)

R6 is part of the Jack Ryan universe, where although it is still fictional, all of the physics of that world are based in reality, and all of the stories written in the Jack Ryan universe are supposed to be realistic.

with the exception of the heartbeat sensor, the tools/weapons used by rainbow are supposed to be ones available through current technology and not works of science fiction, as the stories of R6 take place in present day.

Splinter cell, and now GR all take place sometime in the future and have hypothetical, fictional or prototype weapons/gadgets.

Megalodon26
07-28-2008, 06:15 PM
Originally posted by InfiltratorXX:
The Vegas series might have been casualised but it has also been more successful than the other recent games. So, shooting themselves in the foot just to please a small group of people can only hurt the game.

Tell me what recent realistic tactical shooter that has been less successful than Vegas? I can't think of any.

NuBeatz
07-28-2008, 06:28 PM
Are you people serious? Who cares?! It's a friggin game...it's not training for the military or the swat team. I'm sure there will be even more outlandish colors and combinations created in the next week or so. So get used to it or go back to CoD4 imo. Thanx Bye!

ERN456
07-28-2008, 06:36 PM
Originally posted by NuBeatz:
Are you people serious? Who cares?! It's a friggin game...it's not training for the military or the swat team. I'm sure there will be even more outlandish colors and combinations created in the next week or so. So get used to it or go back to CoD4 imo. Thanx Bye!

No what should happen is that all you people who want to look like clowns and other things should go play halo 3 were you can actually dress like a clown. R6 is supposed to be a tactical shooter and looking like a clown is not tactical.

Mr.Hanky2005
07-28-2008, 06:37 PM
Originally posted by NuBeatz:

So get used to it or go back to CoD4 imo. Thanx Bye!

Why would we go back to COD4? COD4 has nothing that a Rainbow game should have. Rainbow Six is supposed to be a realistic shooter specializing in squad based tactics. A squad wearing pink is not a squad.

Chuck_Withers
07-28-2008, 09:10 PM
Originally posted by NuBeatz:
Are you people serious? Who cares?! It's a friggin game...it's not training for the military or the swat team. I'm sure there will be even more outlandish colors and combinations created in the next week or so. So get used to it or go back to CoD4 imo. Thanx Bye!

To bad Military training is nothing like it I wish it were that damn easy

Real720
07-29-2008, 02:55 AM
Originally posted by bigrexxx:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by InfiltratorXX:
The Vegas series might have been casualised but it has also been more successful than the other recent games. So, shooting themselves in the foot just to please a small group of people can only hurt the game.

Tell me what recent realistic tactical shooter that has been less successful than Vegas? I can't think of any. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Me neither.......

This is one of the best threads ever.

ERN456
07-29-2008, 08:46 AM
Originally posted by AntiPersonnel:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Sure "magic" nightvision is strange, but why would you unbalance the game and get rid of the feature just to be more hardcore? Instead of lame drastic measures the best solution would be compromise, and make Nightvision integrated automatically into the costume, regardless of what you're wearing. Everyone has NV goggles around their necks and since this



the same world that has Sam Fisher they would be all-purpose goggles.
well the thing with the NVG/thermals is it really shouldnt be a "given"

you should have to equip it as an item same as gas mask. otherwise what is the point of even having smoke grenades really? the use of smoke screen is extremely limited as it is. you claim this will unbalance the game? i personally think it is unbalanced as it is now.

also note that this IS NOT the same "world" as Splinter Cell.

they are both written in 2 totally different universes (well, at least back when Tom Clancy had a say in it)

R6 is part of the Jack Ryan universe, where although it is still fictional, all of the physics of that world are based in reality, and all of the stories written in the Jack Ryan universe are supposed to be realistic.

with the exception of the heartbeat sensor, the tools/weapons used by rainbow are supposed to be ones available through current technology and not works of science fiction, as the stories of R6 take place in present day.

Splinter cell, and now GR all take place sometime in the future and have hypothetical, fictional or prototype weapons/gadgets. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well some of the things in Splinter Cell do exist if you are talking about Splinter Cell 1-3 not the DA 360 version which has all kinds of nonsense like say flash mines. Besides that the game has been made crap with DA 360 and with the future Conviction which is a stupid game because it wont have shadows. Why couldnt they just release Chaos Theory 2.

Shock.
07-29-2008, 09:15 AM
back on topic . . i like being able to make crazy cammo with purple, red and green. dont care what people say that its " unrealistic an ****" its a frickin game for christ sake! this isnt the real world. heres my cammo lol

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg82/Shock220/tcr6v2-20080719-011013-1.png

Tacamo
07-29-2008, 09:15 AM
Originally posted by AntiPersonnel:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Sure "magic" nightvision is strange, but why would you unbalance the game and get rid of the feature just to be more hardcore? Instead of lame drastic measures the best solution would be compromise, and make Nightvision integrated automatically into the costume, regardless of what you're wearing. Everyone has NV goggles around their necks and since this the same world that has Sam Fisher they would be all-purpose goggles.
well the thing with the NVG/thermals is it really shouldnt be a "given"

you should have to equip it as an item same as gas mask. otherwise what is the point of even having smoke grenades really? the use of smoke screen is extremely limited as it is. you claim this will unbalance the game? i personally think it is unbalanced as it is now.

also note that this IS NOT the same "world" as Splinter Cell.

they are both written in 2 totally different universes (well, at least back when Tom Clancy had a say in it)

R6 is part of the Jack Ryan universe, where although it is still fictional, all of the physics of that world are based in reality, and all of the stories written in the Jack Ryan universe are supposed to be realistic.

with the exception of the heartbeat sensor, the tools/weapons used by rainbow are supposed to be ones available through current technology and not works of science fiction, as the stories of R6 take place in present day.

Splinter cell, and now GR all take place sometime in the future and have hypothetical, fictional or prototype weapons/gadgets. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
The closest thing to a semi-realistic counter to the thermal goggles would be IR smoke grenades. Only problem being that I doubt they're available in a form a soldier can carry. I believe they're even rare for armored vehicles.

abnegnejs
07-29-2008, 09:47 AM
Originally posted by Shock.:
back on topic . . i like being able to make crazy cammo with purple, red and green. dont care what people say that its " unrealistic an ****" its a frickin game for christ sake! this isnt the real world. heres my cammo lol

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg82/Shock220/tcr6v2-20080719-011013-1.png

Some people like to have a more realistic game, and that's what R6 is supposed to be.

And if you didn't notice, the thread's name isn't "post yuor uberc00l clown camo here". In other words, your picture is off topic.

Shock.
07-29-2008, 09:51 AM
vegas isnt realistic lol

regenerating health?
3rd person gameplay?
fall damage? die if you fall 10 feet lol

and my post was on topic.

abnegnejs
07-29-2008, 09:53 AM
Originally posted by Shock.:
vegas isnt realistic lol

regenerating health?
3rd person gameplay?
fall damage? die if you fall 10 feet lol

I said "supposed to be".

NuBeatz
07-29-2008, 12:58 PM
Some people like to have a more realistic game, and that's what R6 is supposed to be.

Game and realistic? That's funny, is that even possible? That's like....reality...and TV! LoL

I still don't get that one but whatever. Just play, have fun and kill the "clowns" dressed in pink and purple and if those "clowns" pwn you in-game, just say it was someone with "tactical gear" LoL

I hope this thread never ends...NEVER I TELL YA! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Tacamo
07-29-2008, 01:29 PM
Games can definitely be realistic to a degree. The armed forces of many nations do not waste money by training armor and air crews in simulators. Or for that matter any computerized simulation of nuclear, conventional and everything in between for a NATO-Warsaw Pact conflict played out on simulators.

Of course that's an extreme level of realism. Nobody expects that level. Things like realistic ballistics, semi-reasonable ballistic penetration, realistic physics in action for character movement and map objects for example. At the very least a realistic story would be nice.

abnegnejs
07-29-2008, 02:26 PM
Originally posted by NuBeatz:
That's like....reality...and TV! LoL

Was that sarcasm? If not, ever heard about something called documentaries, news?

GroundBranch
07-29-2008, 02:56 PM
<span class="ev_code_RED">*EDIT - Content removed, posting insults to fellow members is not permitted on these boards*</span>

ms-kleaneasy you seem to fail to realise the content of my message! The following words, vocabulary, or anything similar in the context of, slander, insult, defame or vilify anybody in a malign way were not embed within that message.

I simply said and directed to an individual "you do not belong here, your more suited to the HALO community with your ideas!"¯

Every one please take note of this! ms-kleaneasy if you start to censor community members points of view, especially valid points of view, this franchise! which already on a slippery slope is going to take a big fall! This is obviously UBI soft policy, not your own! You are just the messenger, so please don't take offence.

UBI seriously need to look at their censorship policy, and then their community as a whole, if the game had not taken such a U-turn in direction, threads like this would not exist within this negative viewpoint! It is bad business policy and overall bad customer communications, which leaves a sour taste in the mouth!

The reasons these forums exist at all! Is through financial enterprise, built on a digital multimedia product called R6, which I purchased and thousands of others have, over the past 10 years!

Shock.
07-29-2008, 03:25 PM
lol yeah . . wth is wrong with all of you? you treat this game like its some kind of religion. i have as much right as the next person to play the damn game. so stfu

ERN456
07-29-2008, 03:34 PM
Sure you can play it but R6 series were made so people could have a tactical shooter. Every game is supposed to be unique so if you want to play something unrealistic and untactical the R6 series isnt the best game to play. In anyway UBI is too stupid and now made the game just like anyother arcade shooter making it boring and common.

Shock.
07-29-2008, 03:45 PM
i never said i didnt want to play a tactical shooter. only thing i said was that vegas 2 isnt realistic and that i have no problem with having all the odd colored cammo in the game. And i disagree, it may be run and gun in versus, but in coop terrorist hunt it takes alot of tactics to win. the Ai have lightning reflexes and spawn at will. this makes it very hard, and in many cases very annoyieng. but this game is nothing like halo, or the other arcade shooters. but it isnt like the old r6 games such as raven shield

NuBeatz
07-29-2008, 03:53 PM
Was that sarcasm? If not, ever heard about something called documentaries, news?

Documentaries and the News along with "some" sports are about the only thing I watch on television these days. Everything else is crap and I don't know why they feed us this crap like everyone watches it. There's not too much believability on television nowadays along with youtube and such cause computers have criss-crossed real and fake and made them almost seamlessly interchangeable. I don't know what to believe anymore but I know R6 is a game and I'm not joining the Marines tomorrow so I log in to have fun, not to yell through my mic about my teammate wearing blue jeans, a backwards hat and a lime green jacket. I could care less really. Wear what you want people...just be a little more "color coordinated" that's all I ask! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Shock.
07-29-2008, 04:41 PM
Well said. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Chuck_Withers
07-29-2008, 04:56 PM
Basically if you tools haven't gotten the idea yet is this sure it would be super awesome to have the clownafluge removed but in all reality it's not going to happen in vegas two it would take to much time effort and cashola to do that, what most of us are fighting for is the next game to be more tactical. Also no this game is not real life were not asking for that because in all reality it would be a ****ty game if it would be truley realistic waiting for idk like 400 hours to do a 30 sec ops would be boring plus what would happen when you died your game would explode or some thing. What most people want is a more realistic sense of game play not a full on realism but more so then what it is now. Tools there every where

ms-kleaneasy
07-29-2008, 05:05 PM
GroundBranch check your PT's

Mr.Hanky2005
07-29-2008, 05:15 PM
Originally posted by NuBeatz:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Some people like to have a more realistic game, and that's what R6 is supposed to be.

Game and realistic? That's funny, is that even possible? That's like....reality...and TV! LoL

I still don't get that one but whatever. Just play, have fun and kill the "clowns" dressed in pink and purple and if those "clowns" pwn you in-game, just say it was someone with "tactical gear" LoL

I hope this thread never ends...NEVER I TELL YA! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why do you insist on making multiple accounts?

Semia
07-29-2008, 07:55 PM
Hey hey hey. Dont bring the mods into this, their only good for relaying information back to the developers i hope. Back on topic about colored clothing

NuBeatz
07-29-2008, 08:50 PM
What is this guy talkin about? Multiple accounts? This is my first and only account. I would go by nothing other than NuBeatz homey...get it right or relinquish your mod status imo. kthanxbye

Chuck_Withers
07-29-2008, 08:59 PM
Keep it to the PMs, really so what about some other gear we should have in there what camos that are missing that should be brought in/fixed.

Fix the CAD PAT please and bring in Multi cam

abnegnejs
07-30-2008, 02:30 AM
To all of you saying you don't want a tactical/realistic game. There is a reason for there being High Stakes mode and "normal" mode separately. You can keep the clowns in normal mode, as long as they're not in High Stakes mode. Also, if you've played any R6 titles prior to Letdown (Lockdown), you'll know that Rainbow Six is supposed to be realistic and tactical. If Ubisoft wants to change the game, they should also change the name to something else than "Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six...".

Xanavi23
07-30-2008, 06:28 AM
I'ld almost ask them to put in a Gilli suit, but none of the Maps in Vegas would serve a point for it.

Mr.Hanky2005
07-30-2008, 07:15 AM
Originally posted by Chuck_Withers:
Keep it to the PMs

No. I think everyone should know when somebody makes another account to agree with themselves. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Davies is known to do that.

abnegnejs
07-30-2008, 07:36 AM
Originally posted by Mr.Hanky2005:
Why do you insist on making multiple accounts?

I think the 2 most likely reasons are:

1. He wants to type "Well said!" after his own posts on a different account.

2. Schizophrenia.

Chuck_Withers
07-30-2008, 04:21 PM
Originally posted by Mr.Hanky2005:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Chuck_Withers:
Keep it to the PMs

No. I think everyone should know when somebody makes another account to agree with themselves. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Davies is known to do that. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Pruley meant it if he wanted to fight about it and really I don't know why any one would care if some one is making multiple accounts they should be gonzo I don't really care if some kid wants to make diffrent accounts

Real720
07-31-2008, 05:49 AM
Originally posted by abnegnejs:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NuBeatz:
That's like....reality...and TV! LoL

Was that sarcasm? If not, ever heard about something called documentaries, news? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
If that wasn't sarcasm, then I wouldn't know what to call it.

Robert21589
07-31-2008, 06:47 AM
Originally posted by Real720:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by abnegnejs:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NuBeatz:
That's like....reality...and TV! LoL

Was that sarcasm? If not, ever heard about something called documentaries, news? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
If that wasn't sarcasm, then I wouldn't know what to call it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

He means "Reality TV" like The Real World or Big Brother, not "real TV" like documentaries on burmese tigers and biographies on Dr.Martin Luther King.

Also, I still do not see a "leave the colors, new gear will only be a few MBs worth of data at the most and nothing needs to be sacrificed to have it" option on the poll.

SolidSnakeSK
07-31-2008, 06:08 PM
Originally posted by abnegnejs:
To all of you saying you don't want a tactical/realistic game. There is a reason for there being High Stakes mode and "normal" mode separately. You can keep the clowns in normal mode, as long as they're not in High Stakes mode. Also, if you've played any R6 titles prior to Letdown (Lockdown), you'll know that Rainbow Six is supposed to be realistic and tactical. If Ubisoft wants to change the game, they should also change the name to something else than "Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six...".

It'll be nice to separate the clowns this way but it's not and it won't happen, I even stopped playing versus because of clowns and runny gunny little dudes. (run n gun thing stopped me from buying COD4 even)

and sticked to T-hunt mode, and I host very most of times, so when I see a clown got in, I shoot him on sight, if he did not bleed orange juice, I kick'em, and hey, if he got in again, I kick'em again and add'em to FUNK BUSTER ban list http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

with this way, let the clowns have fun with colors (it's their own pink clowny private rights), but away from me http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Real720
08-01-2008, 02:46 PM
Originally posted by SolidSnakeSK:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by abnegnejs:
To all of you saying you don't want a tactical/realistic game. There is a reason for there being High Stakes mode and "normal" mode separately. You can keep the clowns in normal mode, as long as they're not in High Stakes mode. Also, if you've played any R6 titles prior to Letdown (Lockdown), you'll know that Rainbow Six is supposed to be realistic and tactical. If Ubisoft wants to change the game, they should also change the name to something else than "Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six...".

It'll be nice to separate the clowns this way but it's not and it won't happen, I even stopped playing versus because of clowns and runny gunny little dudes. (run n gun thing stopped me from buying COD4 even)

and sticked to T-hunt mode, and I host very most of times, so when I see a clown got in, I shoot him on sight, if he did not bleed orange juice, I kick'em, and hey, if he got in again, I kick'em again and add'em to FUNK BUSTER ban list http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

with this way, let the clowns have fun with colors (it's their own pink clowny private rights), but away from me http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
yup

lvrpatriot01
08-01-2008, 08:56 PM
all the camo in this game is military even the pink camo it is used in special forces training like in place with pink background etc join the military and you will learn more about it

Mr.Hanky2005
08-01-2008, 09:00 PM
Originally posted by lvrpatriot01:
all the camo in this game is military even the pink camo it is used in special forces training like in place with pink background etc join the military and you will learn more about it

Could you please give a link to support that statement? And even so, Spec Ops would never wear it into combat.

Thanks.

Tacamo
08-01-2008, 09:21 PM
Pink is the only color in the visible wavelength spectrum that completely blocks any waves of the infrared spectrum. Due to the Abrams gas turbine producing such a large IR signature there's plan to retrofit some models slated for the TUSK upgrade with pink paint. The Russian PAK-FA fighter is also rumored to come with a pink paint scheme in order to keep it invisible to heat seeking missles. The US and USSR have used this color on it's MIRV's for years to make accurate tracking of ballistic missle warheads significantly less effective.

Mr.Hanky2005
08-01-2008, 09:26 PM
Originally posted by Tacamo:
Pink is the only color in the visible wavelength spectrum that completely blocks any waves of the infrared spectrum. Due to the Abrams gas turbine producing such a large IR signature there's plan to retrofit some models slated for the TUSK upgrade with pink paint. The Russian PAK-FA fighter is also rumored to come with a pink paint scheme in order to keep it invisible to heat seeking missles. The US and USSR have used this color on it's MIRV's for years to make accurate tracking of ballistic missle warheads significantly less effective.

The SAS also used pink on their vehicles for a little while. Ever heard of the pink panther? But that pink and the pink in question are two separate colors all-together. The pink panthers were great because they were nearly invisible at night. I don't think pink on solders would do much good. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/disagree.gif

Tacamo
08-01-2008, 09:30 PM
Believe him it works. Pink camo plus pink body paint makes people invisible to the most sophisticated FLIR scanners. Put that on and everything from Strykers to Predators to F-22's can't pick up the heat. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Chuck_Withers
08-01-2008, 10:17 PM
Ahem, sorry for the chinglish post. Now your thinking of the pink usually used in desert tri colour that is more of a salmon colour rather than the neon or "clown" pink in this game. Also before you go to say join the army and you'll know it this funny thing called karma because then usually and Armed forces guy pops in and says um no.

Tacamo
08-01-2008, 10:50 PM
Nope I'm talking the pink made for real men. Combat proven pink rover right here. (http://www.cardomain.com/ride/506448) I sometimes wonder why the UK's MOD never approved this paint scheme.

Chuck_Withers
08-01-2008, 10:53 PM
If you need to wear pink to prove your a man you're not a man a man has nothing to prove http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Mr.Hanky2005
08-02-2008, 07:52 AM
Originally posted by Chuck_Withers:
Now your thinking of the pink usually used in desert tri colour that is more of a salmon colour rather than the neon or "clown" pink in this game.

As I said in an earlier post, I stated that the pink we were referring to and the pink in the game are two different things.

Xanavi23
08-02-2008, 07:59 AM
Tocamo, you might be right but like others have said, you're talking a salmon kind of pink while everyone else is talking about "hot pink"(actual color name) that is offered in Vegas.

Hot Pink is tooo bright, too flashy to ever be used on the battle field.

Chuck_Withers
08-02-2008, 08:42 AM
Originally posted by Mr.Hanky2005:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Chuck_Withers:
Now your thinking of the pink usually used in desert tri colour that is more of a salmon colour rather than the neon or "clown" pink in this game.

As I said in an earlier post, I stated that the pink we were referring to and the pink in the game are two different things. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah but some people just dont get it

pleomax30
08-02-2008, 09:14 AM
I kick'em, and hey, if he got in again, I kick'em again and add'em to FUNK BUSTER ban list This is why i play only on dedicated servers, people should be able to make their characters look how they want.

I change mine all the time because i get bored, at the moment he's red and yellow, wish i had a webcam so i could experiment with the face.

Honestly some of you people should have joined the army, you all want it to be ultra realistic, but it's just a videogame.

If you want that true experience then sign up for the territorial army or something.

Xanavi23
08-02-2008, 09:16 AM
Originally posted by pleomax30:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I kick'em, and hey, if he got in again, I kick'em again and add'em to FUNK BUSTER ban list This is why i play only on dedicated servers, people should be able to make their characters look how they want.

I change mine all the time because i get bored, at the moment he's red and yellow, wish i had a webcam so i could experiment with the face.

Honestly some of you people should have joined the army, you all want it to be ultra realistic, but it's just a videogame.

If you want that true experience then sign up for the territorial army or something. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You do of course realise, there are at least 2 members here i KNOW of that were in the ARMY ? Im pretty sure there are more.

pleomax30
08-02-2008, 09:26 AM
I have the up most respect for anybody that serves their country in the armed forces.

I just don't take r6 that seriously.

Tacamo
08-02-2008, 09:57 AM
Just to set the record straight the pink thing was a joke and yes I'm familiar with the Brit's Pinkies. I'm sure if it did stop IR waves from being seen the exhaust nozzles and wingtips of most aircraft would have a hot pink color. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Very few people want R6 to be some kind of ultra realistic simulator. It never was since it's inception but was significantly more realistic than the FPS competition at the time. A lot of the so-called complainers just don't like the game being dumbed down in it's story and gameplay mechanics. Nobody likes to see something they once considered as being a trendsetter turn into a generic product that badly imitates its competition.

Chuck_Withers
08-02-2008, 11:13 AM
lol thus my real man has nothing to prove lol, but yeah who wants some ultra realistic sim not me been there done there got the t shirt

Xanavi23
08-02-2008, 12:15 PM
For the record, players can where whatever color camo they want, even on my team. I wouldn't do it, and some camo set-ups are pure rediculous but its their health(in-game) on the line and their life so its their choice.

I would be lying though if i said, players wearing fushia, hot pink and other tones didn't make extremely easy targets. Not saying they don't have skill, some have ALOT, but they just stick out more.

TheJeeper
08-02-2008, 12:49 PM
I don't think the camo should get removed if someone is stupid enough to put that @#$% on then so be it we will all take pleasure in killing the gays but I do believe the gear needs to be costomizable or completely removed and have real time armor and such added in i would like to have the curent armor used by the marine corps hell I would also love to have the curent digital desert and woodland camo used by the marine corps. Also! a must have is more customizations of the weapons!!! I want a scope a laser and even a flashlight! all on one gun I have no idea why you can only have one piece on your weapon if I'm supposed to be playing as some nato special forces soldier I wanna look like one. Also I think there should be more weapons like M4's and M16's I thanked god when I got vegas 2 and finally seen that they added an M16 but I was disapointed when I found out that the basic sites weren't added the M16 in this game is like an A.E.G. S-system weapon id like to see a normal one and a few M4's. But about the armor I believe the shoulder armor should stay because some curent soldiers do have that it is not fake it is real i've seen it its mostly used when your on the .50 on a humvee but it is real. Like I said about the camo if someone is stupid enough to wear it so be it they can wear that dumb stuff and the players who wanna look like real soldiers can dress up like "real" soldiers and go kill the kitties in pink.

TheJeeper
08-02-2008, 01:03 PM
Oh one more thing I think you should beable to put your pwn patches on I would like to have the usmc force recon skull on one shoulder and the american flag on the other that would be nice but idk I just love military games so maybe they should come out with an entirely new game with marines!!!! thats not horrible like all the other shooters out there battle field 2 *cough* *cough* all the halo's although they have marines involved in it it's still just a giant gay game i don't wanna be no damn space marine i wanna have digi camo a damn real weapon and be sitting in iraq or afghanistan or where ever else they wanna put us i'll shoot the **** out of a mall as long as i'm playin as a marine

Chuck_Withers
08-02-2008, 02:44 PM
Call of duty 4 man plus Marines blow http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif *holds up flame shield*

Xanavi23
08-02-2008, 02:59 PM
I don't have xbox 360...but despite Halo 3 being kind of a flop, you can't hate on the marines from that game. I don't know about 3 but in 1 and 2 the Marines did in fact wear the usual camoflage.
Also the marines in that game use a General Issue Assault Rifle but while its somewhat futuristic, none of its functions are so its a "real" weapon too.

Bottom Line ? Those marines were aiight http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Shock.
08-02-2008, 03:10 PM
Originally posted by pleomax30:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I kick'em, and hey, if he got in again, I kick'em again and add'em to FUNK BUSTER ban list This is why i play only on dedicated servers, people should be able to make their characters look how they want.

I change mine all the time because i get bored, at the moment he's red and yellow, wish i had a webcam so i could experiment with the face.

Honestly some of you people should have joined the army, you all want it to be ultra realistic, but it's just a videogame.

If you want that true experience then sign up for the territorial army or something. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

x2

Chuck_Withers
08-02-2008, 04:24 PM
To bad what most people are asking for is not the Army FFS jesus chirst almighty

ERN456
08-02-2008, 09:42 PM
Its annoying how many times they tell us that we should join the army and R6 isnt even about the army so I wouldnt even be getting what I want cant you people understand R6 is about counter terrorism and CQB engagements not open combat and military operations.

abnegnejs
08-03-2008, 06:18 AM
Originally posted by ERN456:
Its annoying how many times they tell us that we should join the army and R6 isnt even about the army so I wouldnt even be getting what I want cant you people understand R6 is about counter terrorism and CQB engagements not open combat and military operations.

Exactly. But there's no point in trying to explain it for them.

Megalodon26
08-03-2008, 08:54 AM
Originally posted by ERN456:
Its annoying how many times they tell us that we should join the army and R6 isnt even about the army so I wouldnt even be getting what I want cant you people understand R6 is about counter terrorism and CQB engagements not open combat and military operations.

Well as a former member of the Naval Boarding Team, where CQB is our bread and butter, including in the Persian gulf/Indian Ocean in the War on Terror, I can honestly say that this game isn't even close to reality.

So lets break this down, they call it a "realistic tactical shooter", but the people with experience say it isn't realistic, so scrath that first one. Then there are actually very few tactics involved, so scratch the second one. That leaves the word shooter, well that it certainly is, there are more bullets flying around a Vegas 2 map, than flies buzzing around the dead horse we've been beating.


A nice pic of a team doing some weapons drills at sea.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c4/V17907864/nb1.jpg

TheJeeper
08-03-2008, 09:17 AM
I agree with bigrexxx there is no such thing as tactics in this game it all about spray n pray I try to use tactics but it doesn't work I don't dress up like a pink fairy I make my character look like a military or "counter-terrorism" killing machine whatever makes you guys happy and I do everything from crouching behind walls and laying down c4 but it doesn't help one bit nobody in this game plays it how nost of us dream it should be played people kill me with shootguns from across the map thats amazing considering it's not possible and if it is then DAMN! also these guys can take alot of bullets from point blank range thats also amazing because I don't care how much armor your wearing if you take multiple hits from the same spot then your going down but in this game point blank range with a M249 SAW= the guy your shooting at turning towards you and killing you with a magnum. And ERN456 I never said it had to be an open combat militay operation I don't want that if I do I'll go play call of duty or BF Bad Company I was just hoping to have camo and weapons to make my character look like a soldier and plus most counter-terrorism units are made up of government and or MILITARY. but I'm thinkin forget rainbow 6 UBISOFT MAKE ANOTHER GHOST RECON!!!!!! BUT FORGET MEXICO THEY COULDN'T POSE A THREAT IF THEY TRIED LETS GO TO IRAQ OR AFGHANISTAN!!! LETS LET THE GHOSTS LOOSE ON SOME RAG HEADS

R6CombatMedic
08-03-2008, 10:31 AM
Originally posted by GroundBranch:
Vegas is a great game to the majority, who see Rainbow as a SWAT team of CSI, or some other soap cop show! They are not bothered about the R6 books, the history of the unit, they just want to put on BS PINK CAMO and run round HALO style, shooting the crap out of each other with unrealistic weapons And regenerating health.

Jackpot! ThatĀ´s exactly how it is... and it p*sses me off so much!

Its a shame what UBI has done to RAINBOW SIX!

Xanavi23
08-03-2008, 10:42 AM
I wouldn't count mexico out. They are humans which means they have brains, opposable thumbs and enough a drug trade to fund some kind of a tactical strike if Mexico wanted to. Im not saying they can take down the states...but they could do some damage.

TheJeeper
08-03-2008, 01:21 PM
well then let the counter terrorism unit of rainbow go to mexico the ghosts don't need to waste their time with that they should be on the front lines somewhere I would actually like to see them go back to russia like the first one that was pretty fun cause russia could actually pose a threat with tanks and such also scratch the iraq campaign the ghosts don't need to waste their time fighting the iraqi national gaurd haha how long would it take to beat the campaign in that game?? half hour tops unless of course you got george bush in the game calling the shots then it will take 7 years

Robert21589
08-03-2008, 01:29 PM
Originally posted by ERN456:
Its annoying how many times they tell us that we should join the army and R6 isnt even about the army so I wouldnt even be getting what I want cant you people understand R6 is about counter terrorism and CQB engagements not open combat and military operations.

To be fair, everything Rainbow does is a military operation. Despite being blackest-of-black ops, they still do military operations. Completely different from the army, but people don't understand that.

Real720
08-03-2008, 11:42 PM
Originally posted by bigrexxx:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ERN456:
Its annoying how many times they tell us that we should join the army and R6 isnt even about the army so I wouldnt even be getting what I want cant you people understand R6 is about counter terrorism and CQB engagements not open combat and military operations.

Well as a former member of the Naval Boarding Team, where CQB is our bread and butter, including in the Persian gulf/Indian Ocean in the War on Terror, I can honestly say that this game isn't even close to reality.

So lets break this down, they call it a "realistic tactical shooter", but the people with experience say it isn't realistic, so scrath that first one. Then there are actually very few tactics involved, so scratch the second one. That leaves the word shooter, well that it certainly is, there are more bullets flying around a Vegas 2 map, than flies buzzing around the dead horse we've been beating.


A nice pic of a team doing some weapons drills at sea.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c4/V17907864/nb1.jpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
now that's what i'm fu**ing talking about!

Xanavi23
08-04-2008, 06:58 AM
Originally posted by TheJeeper:
I agree with bigrexxx there is no such thing as tactics in this game it all about spray n pray I try to use tactics but it doesn't work I don't dress up like a pink fairy I make my character look like a military or "counter-terrorism" killing machine whatever makes you guys happy and I do everything from crouching behind walls and laying down c4 but it doesn't help one bit nobody in this game plays it how nost of us dream it should be played people kill me with shootguns from across the map thats amazing considering it's not possible and if it is then DAMN! also these guys can take alot of bullets from point blank range thats also amazing because I don't care how much armor your wearing if you take multiple hits from the same spot then your going down but in this game point blank range with a M249 SAW= the guy your shooting at turning towards you and killing you with a magnum. And ERN456 I never said it had to be an open combat militay operation I don't want that if I do I'll go play call of duty or BF Bad Company I was just hoping to have camo and weapons to make my character look like a soldier and plus most counter-terrorism units are made up of government and or MILITARY. but I'm thinkin forget rainbow 6 UBISOFT MAKE ANOTHER GHOST RECON!!!!!! BUT FORGET MEXICO THEY COULDN'T POSE A THREAT IF THEY TRIED LETS GO TO IRAQ OR AFGHANISTAN!!! LETS LET THE GHOSTS LOOSE ON SOME RAG HEADS

You can still use tactics effectively but don't expect many other players to do so. I never spray and pray cause i like to keep my current equipped weapon as long as i can, harder on High Stakes-3 clips. But i'ld say on PS3 at least 50% of the population will spray and pray.

Hell i love the 21E and i dont even spray and pray except when i give my team-mates covering fire(when they need to move out over the open and there are snipers or marksmen.) But that counts more as actual suppressive fire i'ld imagine.

Chuck_Withers
08-04-2008, 09:24 AM
REX! Shush with all the non sense Canadians are not good in any combat situation are army sucks....we need our big bad *** Americana neighbours to protect us .......HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Tacamo
08-04-2008, 02:47 PM
Originally posted by Xanavi23:
I wouldn't count mexico out. They are humans which means they have brains, opposable thumbs and enough a drug trade to fund some kind of a tactical strike if Mexico wanted to. Im not saying they can take down the states...but they could do some damage.
Which from a business standpoint would be stupid and suicidal. They wouldn't generate any money by such action. Such a situation would likely lead to the US clamping down on it's borders, seaports and airports real hard making drug smuggling significantly harder. Then there's the issue of ****ing off the Columbians, Bolivians, Peruvians, Afghans, etc. since they can't move product as well, likely leading to attacks in their homeland from rival drug cartels/smugglers.

That argument of "well if you want real, then join the Army" is one of the most played out and ridiculous attempts of trying to prove a point. I guess the people who want it to be more realistic should tell those who want an arcade game to go play manhunt outside with waterguns. That way you can't run out of ammo, automatically heal and have unlimited respawns!

Xanavi23
08-04-2008, 03:05 PM
Originally posted by Tacamo:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Xanavi23:
I wouldn't count mexico out. They are humans which means they have brains, opposable thumbs and enough a drug trade to fund some kind of a tactical strike if Mexico wanted to. Im not saying they can take down the states...but they could do some damage.
Which from a business standpoint would be stupid and suicidal. They wouldn't generate any money by such action. Such a situation would likely lead to the US clamping down on it's borders, seaports and airports real hard making drug smuggling significantly harder. Then there's the issue of ****ing off the Columbians, Bolivians, Peruvians, Afghans, etc. since they can't move product as well, likely leading to attacks in their homeland from rival drug cartels/smugglers. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yea of course it would be stupid...what else is stupid ? Al Qauda thinking they can take on the American War Machine. They're stupid and foolish HOWEVER they do manage to do damage.
Also i never said it would be smart for Mexico to do just that they have the funds and brains to do SOME damage.

Tacamo
08-04-2008, 03:21 PM
Not necessarily stupid on their part. Some of them broke down the Soviet war machine. As you stated though the Mexicans could do damage, but if anything it proves Ubisoft's lack of creativity in regards to creating a semi-plausible storyline. Unlike the one in the original Ghost Recon, where the Russians and Georgians still have an ongoing feud. The Russians even shot down some Georgian UAV's a couple years ago.

Xanavi23
08-04-2008, 04:06 PM
Originally posted by Tacamo:
Not necessarily stupid on their part. Some of them broke down the Soviet war machine. As you stated though the Mexicans could do damage, but if anything it proves Ubisoft's lack of creativity in regards to creating a semi-plausible storyline. Unlike the one in the original Ghost Recon, where the Russians and Georgians still have an ongoing feud. The Russians even shot down some Georgian UAV's a couple years ago.

You're VERY right, i forgot Ben Laden and the fighters with him then(soviet conflict) were trained by the U.S. Supplied too, so they know how to fight. good point man.

Megalodon26
08-04-2008, 04:39 PM
It just seems to me that someone inside Ubisoft has it out for Mexico, perhaps after a bad case of Montezuma's revenge. But both Vegas series and GRAW has used Mexico as the bad guys, and I believe the trend continues in HAWX, but I'm not positive. I think it's a case of them trying to use a country that the US has close ties to, but won't hurt them if it figuratively blows up on them politically, as Mexico isn't likely to hold a grudge against UBI as much as say, Iran, Lebanon,or Columbia to name just a few countries that have real beefs with the states.

Xanavi23
08-04-2008, 05:16 PM
You might be right...The next one should go inbetween a few countries. Its pretty well known the border between Afghanistan and Pakistan is totally artificial as Militants continuously pass through back and forth. So logically in a game, it would have to involve a few countries in the region.

Semia
08-04-2008, 06:57 PM
Yea im tired of Rainbow and international team in one location

but i have left this game for a tactical game known as GRAW

Chuck_Withers
08-05-2008, 08:58 PM
Graw isn't tactical lol, it might seem so but its not

abnegnejs
08-06-2008, 01:24 AM
Originally posted by Chuck_Withers:
Graw isn't tactical lol, it might seem so but its not

That depends on whether it's the PC or console version. I haven't played it on consoles, but on PCs it's definitively more tactical than Vegas (2).

Unknown-A
08-06-2008, 01:09 PM
If you want military uniforms, wear them yourself. People come up with these unique camos to express themselves. Being forced to wear military uniforms in a GAME is just illogical. Ubisoft made this game to attract tactical players but not just them. They made the game to attract people who like to have fun. Anyways, if somehow Ubisoft does do this, it wouldn't be called P.E.C. Personal Elite Creation, because for alot of players, the standard camos aren't personal.