First person view details in here

[UbiRazz]

Hiya all,

There's a lot of confusion with regard to the view points of Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter, so I hope this clears things up.

Xbox / PC - is FPS with weapon view ONLY.

Xbox 360 â€" Precise aiming view and Over The Shoulder (OTS), and obviously the traditional Ghost Recon aiming reticule only view that is always present (i.e. in the first person but with no weapon).


The OTS view allows the player to see cool actions and realistic movement when on the move and associates with the character he is embodying. You can then pass to precise aim mode which gives you more control and focus when you are shooting an enemy target and gives you more immersion. This is also useful when you are in cover and peak mode as you can see that you are behind a wall or object, out of the line of fire giving you a degree of body awareness.

We have also included the FPS pure aiming reticule view for GR fans and FPS fans, which although has no weapon view, still allows the player the cover, roll and climb moves as well as the HUD with CROSS-COM display. This view also has a few extra features to give fans the possibility to aim and have camera shake for added immersion.

[XyZspineZyX]

Ok first of all thank you for the post because now i understand this very differently from before.

I dont think i would be the only one when i say GR has always been a FPS although with reticle view its always been FPS so when someone says GR is FPS and makes no mention of a change in the view i.e adding a weapon view people myself included assume the FPS view is the same as it always was.

I knew there was confusion hence me asking it at yesterdays chat but when it was answered still with no mention of weapon view on any of the xbox versions i still thought same FPS view we had before.

Now i hear different and feel confused again http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Perhaps spearman if your reading this you could clarify precisely next time and then we dont get thousands of pages on the forum with everyone talking cross wires http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

[UbiRazz]

Originally posted by ms-kleaneasy:
Now i hear different and feel confused again
Why are you confused again?

[XyZspineZyX]

Im not now because its been cleared up at last cus of your post http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

anyway why worry if im confused im always confused, its nothing new http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

[UbiRazz]

Good, good.

[EvilInsanity]

Originally posted by UbiRazz:
Hiya all,

There's a lot of confusion with regard to the view points of Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter, so I hope this clears things up.

Xbox / PC - is FPS with weapon view ONLY.

Xbox 360 â€" Precise aiming view and Over The Shoulder (OTS), and obviously the traditional Ghost Recon aiming reticule only view that is always present (i.e. in the first person but with no weapon).


The OTS view allows the player to see cool actions and realistic movement when on the move and associates with the character he is embodying. You can then pass to precise aim mode which gives you more control and focus when you are shooting an enemy target and gives you more immersion. This is also useful when you are in cover and peak mode as you can see that you are behind a wall or object, out of the line of fire giving you a degree of body awareness.

We have also included the FPS pure aiming reticule view for GR fans and FPS fans, which although has no weapon view, still allows the player the cover, roll and climb moves as well as the HUD with CROSS-COM display. This view also has a few extra features to give fans the possibility to aim and have camera shake for added immersion.


There is no confusion... you're giving the PC and OLD Xbox the better gaming experience.

Where did you get the idea that people would pay extra for a stripped down version on the 360... ? Really... your PR will be toasted for this mishap.

[BIGOLHEAD]

Well I'm good with it now. The "concentration" view really sounds fairly cool. And even w/ no weapon I think it sounds good. With the whole "HUD with CROSS-COM display" it might not be bad. Either way it's not gonna change so either accept it or don't buy it if you are that angry over it.

You know it's funny because I brought this up a looong time ago on this board and no one ever came here and made much of a issue of it until the last few days (2 months before release). It's just a little to late guys.

[ZoneOne]

Why do they skimp the 360 users?
Anyone ever figure we may want to see the weapon in the First person view.

Kind of lame, b/c they show it in the trailer multiple times. I was really looking forward to that.

[NOMADIC1974]

me and BIGOLHEAD have been saying this for months. Most people I have talked to feel kind of burned by the lack of FPWV in the 360 version especially cause it was marketed as such initially and got everybody's hopes up. I will never understand some peoples like of OTS view. Controlling your guy like an RC car just seems really silly and not immersive at all to me and all the people I reguraly play with. Not to mention all the seeing around objects nonsense. Oh well, not much we can do now except for hope for the best or wait for a whole new game.

[BIGOLHEAD]

Ya know NOMADIC...I see now why Ubi wouldn't ever answer us in the past about the weapon view. People are getting all crazy and complaining like it's the end of the world for them.

I do understand the frustration but it's past the point of no return now. Just have to accept it I guess. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

But hey...it will still be a really good game, I'm sure of it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

[ollie3856]

provided it doesnt keep getting delayed http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif

[Cons72]

Thank you for the clear, straightforward, and polite answer.

[Vadcol]

I was really ticked off yesterday about the lack of FPWV for Xbox360.....I am still upset today. But like BIGOLHEAD had said, "What can we do now, its too late". I agree. Regardless, I will not spend a single dime on GRAW.

When UBiSoft comes to their senses and actually listen to their main fans on this forum that we want FPWV just like the other platforms, then I'll be more than happy to spend $60.00 on the "Next Installation" of GRAW FPWV version for Xbox 360.

I apologize for my outrage yesterday. But you got to understand that I am a hardcore FPS gamer. I am no different from a sports fanatic that loves NFL or the NBA. Videogames is my NBA and when my beloved team (UBiSoft) gets stupid, that pisst me off big time.

There is only two games that is driving Xbox Live in the FPS category, that is Halo 2 and Ghost Recon series. If you had notice, they are the top ten games on Xbox Live.

I spend $50.00 a month on High-Speed Broadband connection, $50.00 a year for Xbox Live Gold membership, spend additional $49.99 (tax included) on every single Ghost Recon games that is released, $29.00 every two months to maintain a good working Xbox controller and $115.00 a month on electricity to run Xbox and my new Xbox 360.

Finally I just spent $700.00 on Xbox 360 to prepare for the glorious GRAW that I thought would have FPWV for the first time in the Ghost Recon series. Trust me, I did not spend $700.00 just play Perfact Dark. I did it to get ready for Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter.

After all the money I had invested in UBiSoft, now you're trying to sell me a product for $60.00 that lacked features. One look at the PC version, which will cost PC gamers $39.99 and then look at Xbox 360 version is a crying shame.

UBiSoft is sitting on a goldmine with Xbox360. Treat us fairly, I guarantee you that Fans after Fans will support your company and products for years to come. That means huge marketshares and kept EA off your back. But this current offensive treatment is the wrong step to maintain loyalty.

[WhiteKnight77]

Originally posted by Vadcol:


When UBiSoft comes to their senses and actually listen to their main fans on this forum that we want FPWV just like the other platforms,,,

If that were the case, GR2 would have not introduced OTS (and still in GRAW 360) and there still would not be a weapon view at all. RSE games never had a weapon view from the very first day that Rainbow Six hit the shelves in 1998. Weapon view is a new thing in RSE games starting with Raven Shield (we won't go there).

[ChaosOmen13]

Well my team has just voted GRAW out of the games that we will get for the Xbox 360. It will not be in our list to play or practice. Who knows if any of the 15 on our team will buy it just to play for fun but I the votex was 12 to 3 against, first GR game to not make the list. To bad so sad. Oh and I voted againts it, just doeen't feel right if you cant see your weapon in FPS.

[Vadcol]

Originally posted by WhiteKnight77:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Vadcol:


When UBiSoft comes to their senses and actually listen to their main fans on this forum that we want FPWV just like the other platforms,,,

If that were the case, GR2 would have not introduced OTS (and still in GRAW 360) and there still would not be a weapon view at all. RSE games never had a weapon view from the very first day that Rainbow Six hit the shelves in 1998. Weapon view is a new thing in RSE games starting with Raven Shield (we won't go there). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


WhiteKnight77....I respect that you are a huge supporter for UBiSoft no matter what and I truly envy you. My brother, I personally can not sit back and say to myself, "Its ok we Xbox360 users do not have FPWV like the other platforms, oh well here's my $60.00" I wish I could just close my eyes and be blind to all of this. I just can't do that. I'm sorry, its just not right at all. Then UBiSoft expect us spend $60.00 for a lack of features. While Xbox & PC versions are going to cost way cheaper than the Xbox360 version and STILL get the full FPWV experience. No matter how you look at it, IT IS NOT RIGHT.

[MassiveTurd]

Thanks for the explanation, fianlly a response, but Ubi what have you done? seriously what have you done? can you explain to us why the 360 dosnt get what the other machines get? please it stop all this complaining.

As you can see this is a hot topic, and quite rightly, its your own fault, you showed fake footage of something you cant/wont deliver, isnt that called frauldulent advertising?

Wow the power of the 360 but er.... hang on.... lets take the best bit that evrybody wants the option to have, and onw you advertisied would be in the game and throw it out.

Are you going to make us pay for this view throught the marketplace as a download and have to pay (so is the rumor) If thats the case I will never buy another Ubi game even if it gets a 10/10 its just not the right thing to do, Your turning into EA if you go down that route.

So I ask again, why no explantion to your loyal and desperate fanbase (US) after all its us that make and break a game as much as you. I feel an explanation is only fair and right.

please respond devs, we need answers. we need the weapon view.

[WhiteKnight77]

Do not mistake me for a supporter of Ubisoft by any means. I have been known to lambaste Ubi for mistakes they have made. That is totally ironic though as most of my games have been published by Ubisoft. If you could have seen the looks on the faces of Ubi employees when I met them in Germany, you would have learned lots. I just wish Razz could have been there. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Don't get me wrong, if they do something right I will give them the kudo's they deserve, but when they mess up (like they did with RvS and now LD), I will let them know.

I did not buy RvS because it had a weapon view (I really do not like it, but in RvS it was toggable), I didn't buy it because the game did not feel a R6 game (yes I tried the demos). I also wanted one other Ubi game, but had it returned as it had a copyright protection scheme that does not sit well with me.

Now a person would be a fool to not buy a game just because one particular feature (I feel it is an arcade feature and should be left to arcade type games if you really want to know). Don't buy it because the gameplay isn't what you want. If GRAW X360 does not have the gameplay you want, do like I did with RvS and leave it on the shelf.

[Real720]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by WhiteKnight77:
I did not buy RvS because it had a weapon view (I really do not like it, but in RvS it was toggable), I didn't buy it because the game did not feel a R6 game (yes I tried the demos). I also wanted one other Ubi game, but had it returned as it had a copyright protection scheme that does not sit well with me.
QUOTE]

I thought Ubisoft/Redstorm prefers realism..........

P.S. How could you NOT like the weapons view??? It adds to realism!

[WhiteKnight77]

Originally posted by Real720:
P.S. How could you NOT like the weapons view??? It adds to realism!

As a Marine, I never ever saw a weapon view or shot a weapon as seen in any game with the weapon 5 or 6 inches to the right of my head or pointing up from under my armpit.

[UbiRazz]

But WhiteKnight, don't you see? It adds to the realism by not being real at all? Don't you see? Would have loved to have gone to Germany mate but unfortunately budgets don't stretch that far http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Personally I'm quite surprised by the reaction, when I played Team Fortress Classic /Quake 3 far too much a few years back I always turned off the weapon simply so I could see more of what's going on. It always irritated me (and still does) when a weapon model takes up half the screen..

[NOMADIC1974]

with all due respect, how could anybody be quite surprised by the reaction. After the amazing footage we saw of GRAW at E3, everybody thought this was the game they were gonna be getting. People got excited by the incredible gun models and the thought of playing a whole new GRAW with a whole new view on a new system.
Then came some more video footage showing how the sniper zoomed in on the abrams tank still showing this new view. There were lots of screens too.

This was especially exciting for me and thousands of others like me that really hated the way GR2 and OTS took the series. Although many (myself included) still prefer the classic view and reticule system of GR1(and ballistics, weapons, maps and pretty much everything else), the video and screens that followed in the later months after E3 gave us hope that GRAW would offer a much different experience than GR2. Maybe something closer to the original, or even something completely new that would be even better.

[ArmyRanger6]

I don't plan on buying a 360 for awhile so I was going to get the GRAW for xbox. Then I read that there making it FPS only, why wouldn't Ubisoft give the option for both OTS & FPS like they did in summit strike? I've seen the pictures for GRAW on the xbox, YOU CAN'T SEE ANYTHING!! There's so much clutter on the screen, go to ign.com & check it out.

[XyZspineZyX]

Originally posted by ArmyRanger6:
I don't plan on buying a 360 for awhile so I was going to get the GRAW for xbox. Then I read that there making it FPS only, why wouldn't Ubisoft give the option for both OTS & FPS like they did in summit strike? I've seen the pictures for GRAW on the xbox, YOU CAN'T SEE ANYTHING!! There's so much clutter on the screen, go to ign.com & check it out.

Its not FPS ONLY its FPS on Xbox and FPS & OTS ON Xbox 360 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Regarding the on screen stuff the devs did say at the live chat this was something you could turn off although they said you would get less in game info you can turn it off

[ArmyRanger6]

I know it's not FPS only, I'm talking about the GRAW xbox. I was disappointed that they didn't offer the OTS view in the xbox version, I don't understand why they didn't carry it over from GR 2. Not everyone has a 360 and why they have it on the 360 and not the xbox version puzzles me. First person is great on halo not on GR

[NOMADIC1974]

Not trying to start a war of words here, but GR was built on First Person. Socom was built on 3rd person. Their used to be a big difference between the 2 franchises and you had 2 games that offered very different experiences for everyone. Not so much anymore. I've never been a fan of controlling your guy like an RC car, totally ruins the intensity and feeling of being there for me. Kind of makes using your ears and surround sound seem useless as well.

[ArmyRanger6]

If they would offer both, we wouldn't be discussing this. It's good to have options, everyone has their own thing. SOCOM is terrible, can't compare it to GR

[BIGOLHEAD]

Originally posted by ArmyRanger6:
If they would offer both, we wouldn't be discussing this. It's good to have options, everyone has their own thing. SOCOM is terrible, can't compare it to GR

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

[XyZspineZyX]

@ Armyrange, my mistake i thought it was the 360 version you were after, thats what i get for scan reading lol

[UC_Ruffnek]

So I guess I have to go out and buy an old XBOX again to get true GR goodness. Thanks UBI, thanks for putting a greater divide between the FPS and OTS crowds. I understand that GRAW has the original view, but the inclusion of OTS is whats keeping $60 in my pocket. All the core fans have to put up with an inferior game graphically, to get a Ghost Recon that finally puts the players on a level field.

This reeks of the old schoolers getting the shaft once again. The only tweak that can be made to fix the problems with OTS is to get rid of it entirely. As stated before in reply to whether the PC version will have OTS, you guys say that you feel FPWV is the superior view when it comes to emersion. The majority of us 360 owners arent children who need to be spoonfed kills with 'greater field vision' OTS.

I hope this game falls faster than Lockdown. And when it does, I'll be the better person for not having wasted money on it.

[X_Hamilton_X]

Originally posted by Vadcol:
When UBiSoft comes to their senses and actually listen to their main fans on this forum that we want FPWV just like the other platforms . . .
Well, thanks for speaking for myself and my fellow Live friends, all of whom have been fans of Ghost Recon at least since Xbox Live launched. Never once did any of them say "gee, I wish I could see my weapon" to my best recollection. I do recall some of them not happy about people using the 3rd person view in GR2 to look over obstructions but that's about it.

I'm sorry that the FPWV won't be included in the 360 version as a choice. I'm all for choice (at least as long as the host can lock it to classic view if it can be abused like the OTS view). I could care less for FPWV myself. I am a big space/flight shooter fan (X-Wing, Colony Wars, Star Trek Invasion, Star Wars Star Fighter, Battlestar Galactica, etc.) and I used to play with the cockpit view where you could see the controls, console, etc. Later, in games where I had the choice, I would turn it off so all I had was the aiming reticule and the radar. I didn't like my view to be obstructed. I feel the same about Ghost Recon.

Adding a weapon in view doesn't pull me any more into the game. I'm not sure why they chose not to put the FPWV in the game. I assume it's due to a lack of time with the 360 hardware. Maybe they'll put it in GR4 for you.

My main concern is that the game come out fun and without glitches. I do not want to wait until March or later to get this game only to find myself waiting another 2 to 4 months for a patch. I expect both RSE and Ubi to playtest the hell out of this thing, especially on Live after their past fiascos. I don't want to hear any excuses like we heard last time about how 1st party games get Live playtesting and 3rd party games don't (or have limited time). Get the game done right. RSE's goal should be to release a game that NEVER needs patching.

[darkcorsairX]

For all those who complained about GR2 and the OTS view:

You do realize that you can change it to the standard GR flight sim view, right? And to avoid any whining about how it is cheap that you are playing in 1st person, and everyone else is using OTS, you could even force everyone else to play in 1st person too! Apparently you guys forgot that.

[Real720]

NEWSFLASH CORSEHAIR!!!! First person in ghost recon doesn't, and will not, show weapons on-screen! Actually, I stopped caring about Ghost Recon, so I don't care anymore........

[UC_Ruffnek]

No, it was not forgotten. But when hosting an FPS room, the host has to put up with all the people who THINK OTS is a good thing, whining to allow OTS because they can't get a kill any other way.

[darkcorsairX]

NEWSFLASH CORSEHAIR!!!! First person in ghost recon doesn't, and will not, show weapons on-screen! Actually, I stopped caring about Ghost Recon, so I don't care anymore........


Your point? I already knew that.

[Real720]

Originally posted by darkcorsairX:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">NEWSFLASH CORSEHAIR!!!! First person in ghost recon doesn't, and will not, show weapons on-screen! Actually, I stopped caring about Ghost Recon, so I don't care anymore........


Your point? I already knew that. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

OMG! We WERE complaining about the fact that ghost recon DOESN'T show weapons on screen. I don't care anymore though.

[darkcorsairX]

Oops, apparently I forgot to complain then. Oh well, it's not that big of a deal, I'd rather have no gun onscreen than have one taking up the entire lower right corner of it.

[Real720]

Originally posted by darkcorsairX:
Oops, apparently I forgot to complain then. Oh well, it's not that big of a deal, I'd rather have no gun onscreen than have one taking up the entire lower right corner of it.

What do you mean?

[darkcorsairX]

Meaning when I saw the FPWV on the E3 videos, I was less than thrilled, and hoped the OTS view came back. Not because I can't play in 1st person, but because I like the flight sim view that has nothing blocking your view of the screen as opposed to the view that was shown in the videos. The one that has a bulky gun taking up what little free space you had with the videos and **** streaming in your HUD.

[darkcorsairX]

I mean, look at the video NOMADIC has playing in his sig. You got the gun taking up the whole bottom right hand corner, and the new HUD taking up the whole top left. You haven't even added in the messages that will most likely pop up ingame telling you who has joined or left the room, your radar, or the system messages the 360 brings up to tell you people signed into Live.

[Real720]

They can always alter it so that the weapons will not take up all the space. I mean, games like halo and perfect dark have guns on screen, and they hardly get in your way.

[darkcorsairX]

Haha, yeah, Ubi COULD change it and make it better, but they most likely won't.

[Real720]

Oh yeah. I forgot to mention rainbow six 3.

[darkcorsairX]

Are we looking to turn Ghost Recon into an outdoor Rainbow Six? I hope not, not a big fan of Rainbow Six.

[Real720]

Originally posted by darkcorsairX:
Are we looking to turn Ghost Recon into an outdoor Rainbow Six? I hope not, not a big fan of Rainbow Six.

I loved Rainbow Six 3, though the lag online prevented me from playing the multiplayer much. Black Arrow was alright I guess. It was a nice sequel with a pretty good single player. It also had great multiplayer gametypes, but like I said before, it lags online.

[WhiteKnight77]

Originally posted by darkcorsairX:
Meaning when I saw the FPWV on the E3 videos, I was less than thrilled, and hoped the OTS view came back. Not because I can't play in 1st person, but because I like the flight sim view that has nothing blocking your view of the screen as opposed to the view that was shown in the videos. The one that has a bulky gun taking up what little free space you had with the videos and **** streaming in your HUD.

Hmmmmmmmm, flight sim view:

http://www.whiteknight77.net/images/fsviewthumb.jpg (http://www.whiteknight77.net/images/fsview.jpg)

http://www.whiteknight77.net/images/il2viewthumb.jpg (http://www.whiteknight77.net/images/il2view.jpg)

Race car view:

http://www.whiteknight77.net/images/rcviewthumb.jpg (http://www.whiteknight77.net/images/rcview.jpg)

These types of games have a big difference in them compared to an FPS. You are actually in a vehicle, not holding something in your hands to your eye. FPWV puts the weapon under your armpit or off somewhere to the side of your head where you aren't looking through it unless there are iron sights. As I stated before, if you want a FPWV, then it needs to be full time iron sights and not a Rambo view. How many people really want iron sights full time. Also with that comes the inability to run (actually that may not be a bad idea, it would keep the arcade gamers away from games that should not have mass appeal, hmmmmmmmmm).

[darkcorsairX]

I said flight sim view because when you play GR games in 1st person, it doesn't feel like you are controlling a person. But if they did a FPWV and it had iron sights, I'd be all for it.

[WhiteKnight77]

Now, I have been shooting for 30 some odd years including an M16A1 (shows how old I am), not once do I ever recall shooting the way it is seen in FPWV. I never saw my hands and again, never saw more than about a 2" diameter area of my weapon when aiming at the target. Even in basic infantry training, we never saw our weapons as you have to watch for other things like booby traps (IEDs) or snake pits (covered holes to fall into that could contain a poisonous snake or as in the case of 'Nam, pungi sticks or other dangerous entities).

Many here are new to this forum and this subject of FPWV has been beat to death. A search would turn this up. FYI, GR does have a FPWV and it is when you use the heavy machine guns. That is the only weapon view that is realistic. If you want a weapon view so bad, try it out, but I recommend not sticking around to long, you may end up on the recieving end of a round. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

[lonewolfer2004]

he is really right, when you run your gun isnt in your view, less you are staring at the gound, you barely see a gun when you raise it to shoot. Also think about this the TV screen is flat, your eyes are round, they cant put everything you see in real life in a FPV game beacause of that, no way to do it well with out making the game look bad. But you could put the game in OTS....

[Real720]

If you blind fire like what stupid terrorists do, you can't see your gun. Counter-terrorists put their guns just around their chests (or possibly a little higher). If they want to precise-fire, they obviously put the gun right in front of their faces.

P.S. I've been paintballing (don't do it recently) for some time, and I had the same view as in rainbow six 3, even if I'm not precise-firing. It mostly came from peripheral vision.

[lonewolfer2004]

have you ever held a gun before. shoulder pad goes to shoulder... go to your local walmart and hold one, you see a little bit of the barrel, and not the scope and ****, the cross hair view will be good

[Real720]

When people blind fire, their guns stays around the waist. And yes I held a gun before (NOT a real one of course).

[WhiteKnight77]

Originally posted by Real720:
When people blind fire, their guns stays around the waist. And yes I held a gun before (NOT a real one of course).
A real one is what he was talking about. I have a paint ball gun too (broke down piece of junk). As a pistol type paint ball gun, yes, you see more of it, but a rifle type weapon, you have to shoulder it and put your cheek on the stock to look through the sights. The rear sight is within inches of your eyeball, and in the case of the M16, your nose is almost touching the charging handle. With a scope, your eye is practically touching it and you would not see anything except the crosshairs (just like the view when sniping in GR).

I admit, I have no experience with Aimpoints or other optics that are in use now. I have for the most part, always have shot with just iron sights (and can hit targets from 500 yards out that way). I never carried my weapon in a way I could see it as one would with a FPWV.

[Real720]

If you look at one of the screenshots of rainbow six 3 where you see one guy holding a submachine gun (not scoping), it'll show you why the fpwv is the way it is.

[lonewolfer2004]

"have you ever held a gun before"
"yes but it wasn't a real one"

WTF, that makes no sense, a real gun is a million times diff. not to mention their is no perephial vision in a FPV game so....

lol anyway no paintball gun or airsoft gun is anything like a real gun, OTS is beautiful, you can see the surrounding area, you may not be able to see like that in real life but in real life your mind can peace the surrounding are together and any sound allerts you, OTS allows for simmaler expeirence

[ArmyRanger6]

Simmaler?, I think I need to host a spelling bee for you people

[Real720]

I've held paintball guns, airsoft guns, and models of real guns........ There's no difference between real guns and "not" real guns visual-wise.......

[RedHawk501]

Being a ex-army soldier, and fps fan i find the ovs view a breath of fresh air. While i admit i was sorta bummed about no fpwv it still has not discourged me from the 360 version.If you have spent time playing gost recon 2 or sumit strike it tends to fell a little more intense,compared to other fps.It is also nice to see around walls
while fpv ****** bags can't see you.

[NOMADIC1974]

Originally posted by RedHawk501:
It is also nice to see around walls
while fpv ****** bags can't see you.

LOL. This pretty much sums it up right there why so many of us hate OTS. Thanks for the laugh.

[WhiteKnight77]

Originally posted by RedHawk501:
It is also nice to see around walls while fpv ****** bags can't see you.

Here is a classic example of OTS being an advantage. At least he readily admits it. As Nomadic said, this is a classic example of why a 3rd person view should never have been reimplented in an RSE game.

[lonewolfer2004]

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gifAWKARED http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif

[NOMADIC1974]

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[Slayer9797]

Firstly, if the 360 version isnt gonna have a view showin the weapon then im not buyin it, the OTS view sucks, why not replace it with the weapon view? PC owners get the view, why dont we 360 owners?

Secondly, what the hell did ubisoft do to the xbox version of lockdown, they totally ruined it and then made a much better version for the PC makin us xbox owners feel like weve just been screwed over and laughed at.

Is it just me or does it seem like ubisoft games are more compelling for the PC versions and console versions arent gettin as much attention, or are gettin treated differently?

Ubisoft have long been my favourite publisher but recent games have led me away from them, just dont treat console users differently from PC users, its BS and everyone knows it...........

[NOMADIC1974]

%100 agreed. Don't know where these developers got the incredibly wrong idea that console and PC folks want different things, cause its %100 wrong. Both people want the same thing really. Maybe if there wasn't 3 different developing studios making 3 different versions of GRAW for 3 different platforms we would already have 1 completely mind blowing game that everybody would be addicted to like they were with OGR.

[lonewolfer2004]

or, if you dont want the 360 version then dont buy the 360, we all have known before the 360 launch that they would not give us FPWV, personally i say adapt to ots and use it to your advantage, i mean the woman is so hot, why dont you want to see that woman running around with her pony tale

[NOMADIC1974]

I think you need to get out of the house a little more buddy.

[star28c]

Originally posted by UbiRazz:
Hiya all,

There's a lot of confusion with regard to the view points of Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter, so I hope this clears things up.

Xbox / PC - is FPS with weapon view ONLY.

Xbox 360 â€" Precise aiming view and Over The Shoulder (OTS), and obviously the traditional Ghost Recon aiming reticule only view that is always present (i.e. in the first person but with no weapon).


The OTS view allows the player to see cool actions and realistic movement when on the move and associates with the character he is embodying. You can then pass to precise aim mode which gives you more control and focus when you are shooting an enemy target and gives you more immersion. This is also useful when you are in cover and peak mode as you can see that you are behind a wall or object, out of the line of fire giving you a degree of body awareness.

We have also included the FPS pure aiming reticule view for GR fans and FPS fans, which although has no weapon view, still allows the player the cover, roll and climb moves as well as the HUD with CROSS-COM display. This view also has a few extra features to give fans the possibility to aim and have camera shake for added immersion. Ok so the xbox reg version wont have the over the shoulder view only the 360 will if so why is that? when the over the shoulder view was put on summit strike and ghost recon 2 before 360 even came out why change it ? why is it not on all the consoles.

[abaqus2000]

What about the ps2? No details?
Abaqus2000

[MassiveTurd]

maybe they removed the weapon view, so that later in the year they can patch it and make us pay via download on the marketplace. If that is the case, they really really are taking the piss out of there customers.

after all they wouldnt survive without people who buy the dam games, why they dont listen and give us what we all want, and what they showed us they were capable of doing sumounts to almost false advertising, and fraudulent selling.

very very poor UBI to treat your loyal fans like this, removing the weapon, showing fake *** cgi, that you cant deliver is very poor indeed, are you now becoming like EA only interested in money and not the gamers? I wonder...

[jAk-47]

take away ots and let us the the weapon in fpsv on the 360! please. or else you got one less customer.

And yes as massiveturd says,if the video is xbox 360, then its false.

ubi is stepping in it again.......

[texasironhorse]

I dont see why people are wanting the first person view with the weapon because if you have ever played ghost recon there has never been that view. If thats what you want then go play Rainbow six 3. I'm perfectly happy if it just came with the reticule view only. Since thats the way Recon originally was played.



Originally posted by NOMADIC1974:
me and BIGOLHEAD have been saying this for months. Most people I have talked to feel kind of burned by the lack of FPWV in the 360 version especially cause it was marketed as such initially and got everybody's hopes up. I will never understand some peoples like of OTS view. Controlling your guy like an RC car just seems really silly and not immersive at all to me and all the people I reguraly play with. Not to mention all the seeing around objects nonsense. Oh well, not much we can do now except for hope for the best or wait for a whole new game.

[RXCamaroguy579]

I wouldnt want the gun in the first person view. Part of the GR feel is the first person w/o the gun.

[Ninj3r]

Good ol' GR days. I've never played a GR with third person view again. It looks good, but I wonder how well it plays..

[Never8Wenker]

Ok...i just read this whole entire thread..... I am Still confused...(forgive im excited, so it makes me slow.) to get this right.

Pc-1st person with weapon view

xbox-1st person with weapons view

xbox 360- every view but weapons view?

Please let me know if i got it right.

In the xbox version will 3rd person view be in it?
<P>
Once again i read all posts on the thread but i was confused with the fuss of first person view, and first person weapons view.. i just want to make sure that the regular xbox version has the first person weapons view.. please help me clearify this..thanks..

[WhiteKnight77]

Originally posted by Never8Wenker:
Once again i read all posts on the thread but i was confused with the fuss of first person view, and first person weapons view.. i just want to make sure that the regular xbox version has the first person weapons view.. please help me clearify this..thanks..

The XBox version will not have a 3rd person view. It is 1st person is weapon view only.

[Never8Wenker]

ok sweet thank you very much sir..

[Never8Wenker]

What about ironsights in first person? are they still gonna have those?

[SiKHaBit]

what exactly is precise aiming veiw can someone show me an example.?.?

[Never8Wenker]

precise aiming i believe is just the over the shoulder view zoomed in a lil more, with more accuracy.

[dru187]

The 360 is suppose to be a "powerhouse"that can do so much stuff.Well if thats the case how come they can't implement first person with weapon view as a option?Looks like i'm going to be stickin to the xbox version since its a better game,looks better too

[SiKHaBit]

no the xbox version isnt better! you only get 1 ghost in single player and there is only 1 view for shooting. you must not be a true ghost recon fan.

go back to halo 2!

[Never8Wenker]

There is no such thing as a perfect game....except for splinter cell chaos theory...well thats not even perfect.. there is no point in making all of the games the same. prooves a lesson for all of those who want fpwv and rushed out to buy a 360... but still the x360 is going to be a insanly awsome game. I of course am getting the xbox and pc version. That just because i do not have a 360...

[dru187]

I've been round since the first ghost recon and have went through them all.And any REAL fan knows its not bout the singleplayer big deal one guy only its bout the multiplayer.And to tell u the truth Halo 2 is better than ghost recon 2 and SS because it is First person with weapon showing only.Xbox version and Pc version of GR:AW will be the better ones

[WhiteKnight77]

Originally posted by dru187:
I've been round since the first ghost recon and have went through them all.And any REAL fan knows its not bout the singleplayer big deal one guy only its bout the multiplayer.And to tell u the truth Halo 2 is better than ghost recon 2 and SS because it is First person with weapon showing only.Xbox version and Pc version of GR:AW will be the better ones

How do you know what a real weapon view is like? I have been shooting for 32 years and have yet to hold and fire a weapon as seen in any video game featuring a FPWV. The only thing that comes close is "iron sights" as I have said before. You do not ever see more than about a 2" spot when aiming through sights as you are actually looking downrange at the target and not at the weapon. You could not hit the side of a barn much less someone else shooting at you when holding a weapon as seen in video games.

Without the SP part of the game with a good story, GR would not be anything other than a UT clone of sorts. Granted, GR 2 stunk a bit, but many of the "action oriented" gamers like it much to the chagrin of those who didn't and wanted something more. Whether it had an option or not does not make it better or worse than some other game, it is the gameplay that matters and most gameplay is derived from the SP part of the game. Some does translate to the MP side after all.

[SiKHaBit]

the single player is everything. and no halo2 is NOT better than GR...ever

[SHAOLIN_SPIDER]

So as I now understand it (sorry, I've been away for a while!) This is kinda a cross between SS and GR1.

only my opinion but I approve. FPWV is okay but the **** gun takes up too much of the screen and I want as much visibility as possible.

[dru187]

Being only 18 and enlisting in the army,i have still fired many firearms.I love guns,i love to collect and fire them.I say FPWV is more realistic not on how it looks because it doesn't let u see over objects and around corners without exposing urself

[texasironhorse]

Does anyone know if in GRAW multiplayer you can turn off the feature that shows you the enemies with the red diamond shapes? I think it would really suck if the game showed you where the enemies are. I mean if im trying to snipe you and on your screen it pics me out automatically with that red diamond shape, that would be no challenge.

[Slayer9797]

Originally posted by texasironhorse:
I dont see why people are wanting the first person view with the weapon because if you have ever played ghost recon there has never been that view. If thats what you want then go play Rainbow six 3. I'm perfectly happy if it just came with the reticule view only. Since thats the way Recon originally was played.
cause they showed footage with the weapon view which made me really want to buy the game, but now i dont cause 360 owners are gettin screwed over, and i would play rainbow six because i love that series but nooooooooo ubisoft made a really crappy game called rainbow six lockdown which was supposed to take the series to a new level, it was one of the worst xbox games ive ever played, and they even delayed the game to improve the AI, id hate to see what the AI was like before that, and guess what....all xbox lockdown owners will be delighted to hear that all the problems have been sorted for the PC version, again ubi favouring the PC over consoles, sort it out ubi......

[MassiveTurd]

Have we had a proper response form the devs regards this urget matter? why has it been removed even though you fraudulenlty advertisied it to the world? why are the grx nothing like the cgi? why does the mulitplayer shots look garbage and nothing like the single player game?

do the devs care? do they just want our money? removing the weapon is that to make us buy the pc version as well?

There is a complete lack of support for the community that keeps you guys in business, how about a little respect by spending some time answering our questions, we are as pasionate about this game as you are. And you are dividing us all, the option to keep the weapon would be awesome, instead its now a lame floating eyeball. zzz

i await a dev to skirt around the issue or ignore us again waiting for the cash to roll in....

[BL00D_W0LF_39]

Well I guess I am the only one who isnt buying GRAW.I just think you guys screwed up by taking out the weapon view for the 360.You cant just show vids of the 1st person view with a gun and than one day just say "HEY! I got an idea!!! Lets take out the weapon view only for the 360 and dissapoint alot of people!".

So,yeah thanks for nothing.

[Never8Wenker]

Once again i know GR:AW is going to have iron sights! is that going to be for the pc version or the xbox version? both? anyone know

[BL00D_W0LF_39]

Ha this is funny the dev makes one post here and than just runs out than ignors our thoughts.

The common dev dosnt give 2 ****s about what we think,all they care about is "Hey! How much money did we make today!?!?!".

They simpley dont care about what we have to say its all about them and money.If they did care they would bring one of thire *******es out here and give us a better explanation.

[MeanMF]

Originally posted by MassiveTurd:
Have we had a proper response form the devs regards this urget matter? why has it been removed even though you fraudulenlty advertisied it to the world? why are the grx nothing like the cgi? why does the mulitplayer shots look garbage and nothing like the single player game?
I would suggest bringing the game back to the store and demanding a refund! Don't take no for an answer! Write a letter to the CEO you have to - you clearly deserve to get back every penny you spent due to this blatant fraud.

[beanedd]

Forums forums..

I'll still buy GR:AW, i just dont know which i prefer. I've played FPS games for a long time now, and I've always related Ubisoft games with the no gun on the screen. I disliked it at first but then ghost recon became the most realistic game I'd ever played.
But i was very dissapointed in GR2 with the over the shoulder view. Online you could change it, but everyone wanted the over the shoulder view. You could be behind cover and still get shot because you dont realise that your head is actually bobbing above it. But it looks as though you are, plus it was an easy game online.
You could see everyone and everything around you. It wasnt a challenge, and i like tough games, like the original GR's.
It just wasnt the same and i just turned to other games.
I see why people are dissapointed about the 360 version and i do find it a little stupid.
The OTS view isnt an FPS, im sitting behind a crate but i can see the world around me. That is no way in the sense realistic. And I've always related these games to being the most realistic ever. It was great on the old versions, running round then nearly jumping out your seat cuz someone popped you off from a mile away.
The reason why im saying this is because I've spent so much god ****ed money on a 360, i want good games with better graphics to play it on. I shouldnt have to buy xbox games anymore. If i buy GR : AW on the 360, all the people will want the OTS view and complain if they dont get it.
They should give the possibility of all views on every console. I personally think its a marketing ploy, plus I've noticed every game i want just happens to be coming out on March 3rd.
Now why is that hmm? Personally im buying gears of war first, and empire at war.
This will come third in line if i decide to buy it after seeing it in various game shops.
But still, you cant beat battlefield 2 online.
Game of the century.

[texasironhorse]

I dont see why everyone wants the stupid weapons view. Well i shouldn't say everyone cause i dont want it and the people i play Recon with every night dont want it.....Anyways I have never played a Ghost Recon with a weapons view and i hope i never do. If you want weapons view then go play Halo or Rainbow 6. Leave Recon the way it is.

[MassiveTurd]

Originally posted by texasironhorse:
I dont see why everyone wants the stupid weapons view. Well i shouldn't say everyone cause i dont want it and the people i play Recon with every night dont want it.....Anyways I have never played a Ghost Recon with a weapons view and i hope i never do. If you want weapons view then go play Halo or Rainbow 6. Leave Recon the way it is.

why is it stupid? everyone i KNOW whats weapon view thats what they advertised. We BOTH should have the option, would you complain if it was only fpv?

[WhiteKnight77]

Originally posted by MassiveTurd:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by texasironhorse:
I dont see why everyone wants the stupid weapons view. Well i shouldn't say everyone cause i dont want it and the people i play Recon with every night dont want it.....Anyways I have never played a Ghost Recon with a weapons view and i hope i never do. If you want weapons view then go play Halo or Rainbow 6. Leave Recon the way it is.

why is it stupid? everyone i KNOW whats weapon view thats what they advertised. We BOTH should have the option, would you complain if it was only fpv? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ubi never really advertised a FPWV nor did they state that GRAW for X360 woudl have it. Ubi had the E3 video made to show what the game could possibly look like. Maybe they made a mistake showing that CGI footage, maybe not, but at least they showed something. Y'all need to get over it already.

No, I am not defending Ubi in anyway.

[beanedd]

whats the matchmaking going to be like on the game anyway??? off topic i know.

I just think they should of given the option to have every different view on all the games, then there would be no argument would there?
And then online the creator of the match, has the choice to let people use all views, or set it to certain views. And then when in-game, you can press a shortcut button, or on the options screen you can change what view you want. Simplicity at its finest.

Hell, i aint defending Ubi, but they brought out some of the best games I've ever played.

I just dont like the changing of games just because they are on different consoles. Its a marketing ploy that makes people feel cheated like what this argument/debate is about.

[texasironhorse]

I would not have any problem if it was the reticule view only. I had a hard time adapting to the 3rd person view. If I had a choice of only one view it would be reticule view only. Thats what i played for years on original recon.


Originally posted by MassiveTurd:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by texasironhorse:
I dont see why everyone wants the stupid weapons view. Well i shouldn't say everyone cause i dont want it and the people i play Recon with every night dont want it.....Anyways I have never played a Ghost Recon with a weapons view and i hope i never do. If you want weapons view then go play Halo or Rainbow 6. Leave Recon the way it is.

why is it stupid? everyone i KNOW whats weapon view thats what they advertised. We BOTH should have the option, would you complain if it was only fpv? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

[BadLucky777]

Good Grief,
So GRAW 360 is going to be released without the FPWV? If thats the case it is just more laziness on UBI's part (ala RB6 Lockdown).

I've been a long time fan of both Rainbow Six and Ghost Recon. When Ravenshield came out for the RB6 series I dumped Rogue Spear in a heart beat. I played GR1 and GR2 but the FPVW and sighting system of America's Army won me over.

I've been shooting since I was about 7 years old, been in the firearms industry (on & off) for 15 years and spent several years in the military. There's something more substantial to the FPWV type games versus the glowing green reticle games. Maybe it is weapon occluding your view? It seems more personal. This effect is greatly multiplied when the "over the sights" shooting mode is incorporated (Like Bothers in Arms).

I can easily understand other peoples preferences for the reticle or ots views but to use it on one console and not the other is just plain lazy. Why not leave the option open for all three? With UBI latest goofs with the RB6 series on the Xbox and now it seems on the PC, it's the type of laziness I won't support as a consumer. Do the job all the way or your not getting my cash.

Out...

[BL00D_W0LF_39]

Right there everyone......is my ****ing hero!

[Slayer9797]

Originally posted by BadLucky777:
Good Grief,
So GRAW 360 is going to be released without the FPWV? If thats the case it is just more laziness on UBI's part (ala RB6 Lockdown).

I've been a long time fan of both Rainbow Six and Ghost Recon. When Ravenshield came out for the RB6 series I dumped Rogue Spear in a heart beat. I played GR1 and GR2 but the FPVW and sighting system of America's Army won me over.

I've been shooting since I was about 7 years old, been in the firearms industry (on & off) for 15 years and spent several years in the military. There's something more substantial to the FPWV type games versus the glowing green reticle games. Maybe it is weapon occluding your view? It seems more personal. This effect is greatly multiplied when the "over the sights" shooting mode is incorporated (Like Bothers in Arms).

I can easily understand other peoples preferences for the reticle or ots views but to use it on one console and not the other is just plain lazy. Why not leave the option open for all three? With UBI latest goofs with the RB6 series on the Xbox and now it seems on the PC, it's the type of laziness I won't support as a consumer. Do the job all the way or your not getting my cash.

Out...
couldnt agree with you more....

[texasironhorse]

well im glad no fpwv for 360.....and Ubi gets alot of my money....they will get more now when GRAW comes out. Keep up the good work Ubi.

[Reno7]

i haven't read all 6 pages.. read here and there though.. and IMO.. over the shoulder should have never been introduced into the GR games.. Old GR and GRIT with the no weapon reticule was the best.. GR2 would have been 10x better without OTS!!

Either way i'll still play GRAW 'cause the Ghost series is unreal!

[Real720]

Originally posted by SiKHaBit:
no the xbox version isnt better! you only get 1 ghost in single player and there is only 1 view for shooting. you must not be a true ghost recon fan.

go back to halo 2!

You are one ignorant helluva *******, aren't you? Ghost Recon 2 was the ONLY game with OTS!!!

[Karma313th]

Originally posted by WhiteKnight77:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by dru187:
I've been round since the first ghost recon and have went through them all.And any REAL fan knows its not bout the singleplayer big deal one guy only its bout the multiplayer.And to tell u the truth Halo 2 is better than ghost recon 2 and SS because it is First person with weapon showing only.Xbox version and Pc version of GR:AW will be the better ones

How do you know what a real weapon view is like? I have been shooting for 32 years and have yet to hold and fire a weapon as seen in any video game featuring a FPWV. The only thing that comes close is "iron sights" as I have said before. You do not ever see more than about a 2" spot when aiming through sights as you are actually looking downrange at the target and not at the weapon. You could not hit the side of a barn much less someone else shooting at you when holding a weapon as seen in video games.

Without the SP part of the game with a good story, GR would not be anything other than a UT clone of sorts. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Huh...I'm not sure why I haven't thought of signing up here earlier, but....

Anyway, I have to agree with WhiteKnight's point of view. I honestly don't know why people make such a big deal out of the "realism" of a "weaponview" in the game.

Now, I can't claim to have the years of experience WhiteKnight does, but I did carry an M16A2 (and later an M4) for nearly 10 years in the Army and WhiteKnight's nailed it. The only time you'd every really see much of the rifle is while you had it in one of the various tactical carries. Or, I suppose possibly if you had to resort to the "pointed quick-fire" technique they taught in PMI, but if you're relying on that, you're pretty well screwed.

Anyway, if you want to see something approaching a realistic viewpoint, I'd suggest something like Operation Flashpoint's "iron sights" view. Comes pretty close, though without the ability to switch apertures; closest I've ever seen a game come, anyway.

Now, given that GRAW represents the result of the Army's "Land Warrior" initiatives and beyond, maybe there's a little leeway for the weaponview thing. I never got a chance to see the OICW firsthand, but it was supposed to have some pretty weird capabilities, so you never know.

[Lawrence1990]

Karma is right there. Theyll never amke a gun realife work in game. Its complicated!
The only realistic thing the tactics and gunfire and weapons. The snipers GR2 DONT fire like that you to take round out and pull A LOAD OF RUBBISH ON THE THEN insert the clip.

[MassiveTurd]

Don't be so rude.

[texasironhorse]

Originally posted by MassiveTurd:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by texasironhorse:
well im glad no fpwv for 360.....and Ubi gets alot of my money....they will get more now when GRAW comes out. Keep up the good work Ubi.

What a **** ed. why are you glasd there is no fpwv? what a bloody moron, how many topics on theis bloody forum ,does it take u tards to realize people what the option to play it their way, its tolat laziness on ubis side. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you were to play me in Recon you would be the "bloody" moron

[JG27_Arklight]

Anyways, I used to be a diehard fan of "FPWV" simply because I thought it looked nice, and more then likley because I was used to it from other games.

However, after playing GR2 for a while, I actually like the OTS view. I also enjoy playing the game w/o OTS. The OTS view to me looks really nice because you get to see many of the animations of the player character and you have the abiltity to look at the environments in all their graphical splendor. The FPV with just the crosshair is "classic" and brings back some good memories of the original games.

I too have quite a long shooting background and I have to agree with Whitenight. You simply DO NOT see that much of the firearm.

While FPWV looks kinda neat, it is NOT realistic. OTS view isn't realistic either, but it isn't supposed to be...it is supposed to "look cool", and it does, at least to me. As much as I used to support the "FPWV" I have since changed my opinion on this matter and would now prefer to just stick with my OTS and FP-No-WV options. Would it be nice to have a FPWV as an option? Heck yeah! Who doesn't want more options? But it isn't a deal-breaker for me if it is not implemented. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

On a side note, what bugged me about GR2 was the poor weapons sounds. The videos of GRAW seemed to have some pretty nice sounds though so I'm excited about that. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[MassiveTurd]

Americas army pulled off the weapon view and it is amazing to play, and realisitc. So dont say its not possible, it is and it works, americas army wouldnt be any good at all if it was ots.

Ubi what have you done guys? seriuosly, we still havnt had a proper reason as to why you pulled the feature most of your fans want the option for.

Please tell us.

[Piskix]

are you talking about FPV (without weapon) that is included in the game, or fpwv?

[MassiveTurd]

I mean first person with the weapon, like the footage they showed. to alienate some of your fans is lunacy why?? is it because the mulitplayer developers cant do it? the mult player footage dosnt look anywhere as good as the sp.

ps

http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/action/tomclancysghostrecon3/media.html

in the producer interview he says >>

"We listened to all our fans" < HA HA HA OMG THATS FUNNY

"We put in evrything they asked for" < OMG IT GETS MORE FUNNY.

Thanks for the laughs you made my day lol http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

[Lawrence1990]

WHO CARES ABOUT THE DAMN VIEW. I ONLY CARE ABOUT MULTIPLAYER AND SINGLEPLAYER. NO MATTER WHAT YOU SAY THE GAMEPLAY WILL BE GOOD SO STOP MOANING! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

[jreeter]

"This new game by Ubisoft, the same folks who brought us the Splinter Cell and Rainbow Six franchises has become an important post-launch title for the Xbox 360. Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter (we'll call it GR: AW) will have many new features. Our reporter, Larry Jones was the first of the IGN staff to test GR: AW and claimed, 'Although I was only allowed a fifteen minute test, I noticed many new features. First, there will be a "buy" menu in which users spend money earned in battle from kills and purchase the weapons and accessories they need, however this mode will ONLY be available over Xbox Live. A second major feature will be four different points of view; over the shoulder (3rd person), First person without gun view, first person with gun view, and spectator (over Xbox Live only.) Finally, there will be an Online-Cooperative play with a four person squad, as well as 16 players Xbox Live Frag-fest, called 'clash encounter'. Ubisoft did not announce a firm release date, other than March.â€Â�

??!?! this was on a ign blog! COULD IT BE!

[abaqus2000]

Do you guys buy a game just because it is a fps? What if GRAW does not have this view and it still is a great game, with great gameplay and graphics?

All I wanted to know is how this game will be on a PS2, and nobody can answer me that. That’s sad, don’t you think? I have seen the pictures and video from the 360 version, and it look’s great. It will probably be the first big game for this system, that does not have anything interesting, in terms of games. While for the PS2 there isn’t one single screen!!!

If you want a good fps for your 360… well wait for Halo 3!!!

Abaqus2000

[Whisky-Delta]

i have not had time to view all the pages on this thread and i hope this has not been answered before. I have just seen the latest gameplay footage from 1up.com and while the videos are of multiplayer i noticed that the xbox360 version has over the shoulder view but several times the OSV zooms in but doesnt change to the optical view as if you were looking through the weapon sight. What is this and will it be available in the single player campign


Also a little bit off topic but how much will a x360 cost in the uk? Since i have been looking at the x360 videos of GRAW i dont want to settle for the XBOX version and i want to get the 360 and not bother waiting for the PS3! Should i or shouldnt i? Bear in mind the only think not making GR2 my favourite game of all time is the **** AI, spawning dynamics of the enemies and the shooting model (all of which i expect will have been fixed in GRAW)

thanks in advance

[WITCHD0CTOR]

Nomadic!! Wuz up? It's IBO. My new tag is WITCHD0CTOR (the 1st "0" is a zero and the 2nd O is the letter O, all capitals). How have you been? I just gotta say that playing Call of Duty 2 (Campaign on Veteran difficulty) on the XBOX 360 was one of the most incredible gaming experiences of my life! Wow! I wish that they left the lean in (from the PC version) and mapped crouch and prone to the up and down arrows on the D-pad but oh well. And hopefully the patch coming out will fix the online lag issues and change it to where you can set up your own server and match play settings. Anyway, I came over here to see if I could get any "scoops" on GRAW and I see not much has changed. Everybody gets so dramatic and I know why. I'll never forget GR 1 and the weapon physics. Aaaaaaaaah, the SA-80 on full auto, the drop shot, the pop shot, the one on ones at Day Docks, the heated matches, EMBASSY (need I say more?). The 7.62 carbine's accuracy, the strain on my marraige and I could go on and on. IT WAS INSANE!! The good old days. I'm reading these posts wondering why anyone would think Ubi would get it right after GR 2? I've been playing Battlefield 2: Modern Combat on my PC a lot lately and I'm thinking how cool it would be if Ubi made GRAW with the GR 1 weapon physics and original FPS view or the FPS weapon view (I don't care which really) and the GR 1 character movement (not the way you moved in GR 2) with next gen graphics (AT LEAST AS GOOD AS BATTLEFIELD 2 ON THE PC!), the D-pad assigned the same way as GR 1, NO OTS view AT ALL!!!!, and the ability to earn modded weapons on XBOX Live Marketplace. I agree with Nomadic 100% about losing the HUGE XBOX Live following it once had in those exciting early days of Ghost Recon. I'm hoping that BF 2 on XBOX 360 will be as good as the PC version if not better. I don't know why they took the current gen XBOX BF 2 and reworked 100% of the graphics???? Why wouldn't they just port over the PC game and shorten the load times while they're at it? Makes about as much sense as Valve's Half Life 2 going to the XBOX and not the 360 - yes I know it has to do with "units per household" (I heard a rumor that Valve is bringing it to the 360 + another title yet to be named). I'm looking forward to Prey, Huxley, Gears of War, Too Human, Spinter Cell: Double Agent (I loved Chaos Theory's singleplayer and online co-op!!!!), BF 2, Far Cry Predator, Mercenaries 2, Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter (yes I'll buy it anyway) and an editor from IGN wrote me last week and said that F.E.A.R. was coming to the 360 in the near future - one of my favorites of all time!!! For those of you that have F.E.A.R. on your PC - go back to the part right before that fat guy falls down from the ceiling (the cheezy poohs guy) and crank your volume up real loud... you hear him fart the moment he's cought by surprise by the ceiling giving way, all the way down to the floor. It's hilarious! I didn't hear it the 1st time around.
There are a bunch more games I'm going to buy this year - keeping in mind that developers won't really be pushing the power of the 360 until later on this year. Photorealistic graphics, smoother frame rate, taking advantage of the 360's multi-core architecture and 500 mhz ATI graphics card! I'm going to stay out of the great debate in these forums and just hope that GRAW doesn't play like a prettier GR 2. That would suck. I remember trying to like GR 2. I tried to force myself to play it and like it. That was sad and I'm not proud of that time in my life. I would at least like to thank Ubisoft for GR 1 and the hours and hours of squad based match play and Mission co-op on Elite and the good friends I made that I still play with today. Thanks for the memories!

[LOD_Grey]

i wish they just made the game look better and kept their fingers of the game play
me and my clan played GR/DS/IT for 5 to 6 years
till the cheaters ended it all
we still think GR was the easyest game to match on (for TAG that is)
we now play BF2 and SF and AAsf but no game matches the game play GR had (BF2=no tactics just run and gun AA= much better realy tactical but still no friends list http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif and the graphics are a lil outdated rvs looks better)
ah well.. we will see what it brings us
hopefully not another game that ends up on the ground under my desk...

greets BaSics_WDS

ps: will there be a game lobby like we had on RVS/GR? plzz say u do.....

[ferret_face]

Originally posted by WhiteKnight77:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by dru187:
I've been round since the first ghost recon and have went through them all.And any REAL fan knows its not bout the singleplayer big deal one guy only its bout the multiplayer.And to tell u the truth Halo 2 is better than ghost recon 2 and SS because it is First person with weapon showing only.Xbox version and Pc version of GR:AW will be the better ones

How do you know what a real weapon view is like? I have been shooting for 32 years and have yet to hold and fire a weapon as seen in any video game featuring a FPWV. The only thing that comes close is "iron sights" as I have said before. You do not ever see more than about a 2" spot when aiming through sights as you are actually looking downrange at the target and not at the weapon. You could not hit the side of a barn much less someone else shooting at you when holding a weapon as seen in video games.

Without the SP part of the game with a good story, GR would not be anything other than a UT clone of sorts. Granted, GR 2 stunk a bit, but many of the "action oriented" gamers like it much to the chagrin of those who didn't and wanted something more. Whether it had an option or not does not make it better or worse than some other game, it is the gameplay that matters and most gameplay is derived from the SP part of the game. Some does translate to the MP side after all. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

And playing first person with out a gun at all is more realistic?

You've brought up your shooting for years and years about 3-4 times now. Gloating?

I've been shooting since I was 10 or so (im 16 now). I agree with you to an extent. But do you not agree that a gun there is more immersive then no gun at all? Its just more and more like your a floating head rather then an actual person in the game. Even if the guns arnt spot on realistic.

[KeyzerSoze1979]

Who knows, we may have a suprise in store for us. There wasa comment made from a dev that "nobody will be dissapointed" Even without the FPWV GR:AW for the 360 will still be an amazing experience. If youve never played the game then you dont know the advantage of the 3rd person view mixed with the 1st person no weapon view.

You can easily see your surroundings in 3PV and snipe with amazing accuracy in the 1st person no weapon view. To write off the game because it doesnt have the FPWV is an huge mistake and one youll regret for sure.

The FPWV screens I have seen are somethign that makes me glad we dont have it. The HUD is full of clutter and you dont get to see your surroundings or whats ahead.

Oh well, to each his own and if you absolutely cant live without a FPWV then feel free to buy the PC,XBOX or PS2 versions and enjoy it. The 360 version I feel will be the best option with 3 views and 3 stances for giving and taking fire and the camera-zoom when firing in the 3PWV looks amazing.

[FrAcTuReXl]

thats fine with me..im a big fan of old school ghost recon..if so many of you g.r players dont like over the shoulder 3rd person view some advise would be to pick up a new game like halo..just tryin to help http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

[WhiteKnight77]

Originally posted by ferret_face:
I've been shooting since I was 10 or so (im 16 now). I agree with you to an extent. But do you not agree that a gun there is more immersive then no gun at all? Its just more and more like your a floating head rather then an actual person in the game. Even if the guns arnt spot on realistic.

FPV without a weapon, isn't realistic I agree, but to be realistic, would you want to have iron sights full time? When patrolling, you would drop your weapon out of sight (proper weapons handling mind you for safety reasons) and brought up to aim and shoot would be even better. Until the game that gets created that features that animation, I along with some others, would prefer no weapon view to the held under the armpit around the waist weapon view. At least with just a reticle, it is a bit closer than with the weapon view to me.

[guntoter]

I may be late to this topic but im going to have my say just like everybody else. I will buy the Xbox version of GRAW, and the PC version when I upgrade my vid card. The reason is simple and obvious, both of those versions will be played from First Person Weapon View as it has been described.

I was damm thrilled to learn the Xbox version would be played from this perspective. I like GR2, I just dont like the view options, lacked a bit of immersion ya know? GRAW for the X360 wont have the FPWV so I wont buy it, I wont need to. I can get GRAW for the Xbox and then just play that version on the 360 when I get one.

So bring on the Xbox version, because I cant wait to play it.

[dynas2001]

I am late as well, but want to throw in my 2 cents.

I am on the fence for what version (if any) of the game I will buy. I am very disapointed that a the 360 FP view doesn't show the gun. I am seriously considering picking up the xbox version because of it.

If you pick up the xbox version will you be able to play it on the 360 with people playing the 360 version?

[KeyzerSoze1979]

Originally posted by dynas2001:
I am late as well, but want to throw in my 2 cents.

I am on the fence for what version (if any) of the game I will buy. I am very disapointed that a the 360 FP view doesn't show the gun. I am seriously considering picking up the xbox version because of it.

If you pick up the xbox version will you be able to play it on the 360 with people playing the 360 version?

No you wont be able to, have you ever played any of the GR series? If so you would know the advantage of what the 3rd person/1st person no weapon views give you. Watch the videos, if they dont make you se the light nothing will.

[dynas2001]

I have played all the versions on xbox. Don't get me wrong, I like the 3rd person and it has some huge advantages when playing it against others. It is also sweet to look at. I am sure a pile of work went into making them look so realistic.

I still am really disapointed in NOT having the option to go first person and as I said I am on the fence about which version I will go with if I have to choose.

I am a big fan of the rainbow series too which is all FPGV.

[dynas2001]

Just reading the xbox mag and looking at the differences between this on it and the 360.

xbox gets
1. sprint
2. 2 extra multiplayer maps.
3. FP with Gun.

360 gets:
1. a prone stance
2. classic 3rd person and first person without a gun.

[Nomad_381]

This is mainly in reply to WhiteKnight and the others who are talking about the semanitcs of the fpwv. I like what your last post talked about. When the player is in motion above a certain speed, the weapon should drop down out of view, maybe bobbing up sideways into the lower portion of the screen (not real sure here, havent ever ran with an assault rifle in hand). Then when the player slows to either a stop or a slow tactical progression the weapon should rise up to the shoulder for the iron sights/scope. Another way this could be accomplished is to have the weapon at the players side until the trigger is partly pressed. Like, say when the trigger is pulled 1/4 of the way the weapon is pulled up to shoulder, and then when it is pulled further the rounds are fired off. I think this type of FPWV would be real sweet and add to the realism of the game.

WhiteKnight, or anyone else with combat experience: This is something I have been wondering for awhile now. When a weapon (ex. m16) has a scope attached and a tango appears that is too close for the scope to be of good use, how is the weapon aimed? Is there a way to get a good sight on a scope attached weapon without looking through the scope?

[St33lBeast]

awww **** GR3 for original xbox is FP only??!! thats sux....oh well i still ordered it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.giflol

[WhiteKnight77]

I don't have any combat expericence unfortunately. I was in between wars. Still, all Marines are a basic rifleman and we all have to learn basic infantry skills. That said, I have always shot with iron sights. Maybe HF can answer that question for you.

I will tell you though that as a winger crewing helos, if I did have to shoot, the view one got when manning a HMG in GR would have been the same view I would have had in the bird shooting the Ma Duece.

[RoaringMad Mac]

Whiteknight I agree with you to a point but,I think with the OTS view it will enable those to actually see more. I like all views personally I just like to try different ones.

[WhiteKnight77]

OTS does show more than what someone aiming a weapon would. Close one eye Mac and see if you see as much as one would see via OTS. A persons view gets cut almost in half. This is why a FPV is more reaslistic in a FPS as it does mimic what is actually seen in real life. Don't add a scope to the equation as it is further reduced.

If people want OTS, let it be used in an arcade function similar to what GR had. You could play either way, but not have it enabled so people could play it at anytime.

[FrAcTuReXl]

i like it

[WITCHD0CTOR]

Maybe Nomad isn't who I thought he was? One of the clan members from the Nomads? I guess I was mistaken. Anyway, I own an M4 (Colt CAR-15) and an HK 91 and have been shooting since I was 8 years old - I'm 33 now so I know a little about it. Just qualifying here. OTS DOES NOT BELONG IN THE Ghost Recon series and Ubi should just make a completely different game featuring that arcade style view (like Mercenaries or SOCCOM) and BE TRUE TO THEIR ORIGINAL FANS FROM OGR. I don't think some of these forum members here were apart of that experience of Team Compete matches and friendly non-ranked matches (or practice as we called it). I played with the best players in the world on XBOX Live and was on the #1 and #2 ranked teams in the world at one point (before marraige counceling) with people like Nissan NX2000, Dukealexan, JU DAWG, CORV1NO and on and on. If you happened to hit Optimatch and joined our room (when it wasn't full) you probably quit out because you never respawned long enough to play. I'll never forget my 1st match on XBOX Live (it was Big River - sniping map) and I would just follow a group of soldiers through the woods thinking how cool it was that there were other people sitting at home with controllers in their hands in real time playing out a boyhood dream of being an elite soldier - then BOOM! Dead. Repeat over and over until I learned to crouch and go prone and scan the distance for ANY movement. I had the thousand yard stare as Vietnam vets used to put it. I used to hold clinics on Day Docks for newcomers so I could teach them the basics, survival tips and tricks (and how to spot cheaters or glitchers). I think why some of us are so dissappointed in Ubisoft is because ever since GR Island Thunder, the game developers have been tinkering too much instead of going by the "if it aint broke don't fix it" approach. They wanted more MASS APPEAL than perfecting an already BAD *** game. A writer for XBOX magazine wrote recently that GR 1 was bulit on an old PC engine from 2001 - and then har har - laughing at it. I'm laughing (and crying) at the game engine from GR 2 Summit Strike and missing GR 1. Let me spell it out in PLAIN ENGLISH (not proper english), ready Ubisoft? We liked the reticlule view, the movement (speed of character, speed of drop shot, speed of leans) or even better put, we liked the CONTROLS A LOT!!!!!! WE LIKED THE RETICULE VIEW A LOT!!!!! You got that right the first game! PERFECT!!!! The game sold like hot cakes and XBOX Live subscriptions took off!! You (Red Storm, Ubisoft) put XBOX Live in orbit with the original Ghost Recon!! Good job Ubisoft!! (I think too many people don't bow down and kiss the army boots of the dev team for that game) and thank you very much for the hours upon hours of entertainment!!! I played that game for 2 years straight!!! I mastered that game. Yes, mastered it. Ask anyone that knew my old tag IBOGANAUT. Now, we also LOVED the "feel" of the weapons, the sounds, the accuracy of the SA-80 and the 7.62 Carbine (my favorites). GR 2 paled in comparison to all of these ESSENTAIL game elements. And we did not like the OICW with explosives turned on, we did not like the corner glitching and seeing and shooting through walls (cheating). You could have (especially with the XBOX 360) just read what hundreds if not thousands of DIE HARD FANS wrote in these very forums about what they wanted and punched up the graphics. We wouldn't be having these debates AT ALL!!! (We would be having XBOX vs. PC debates - until somone wisely separated the two - ha ha ha. I think WhiteKnight, Kleaneasy and Kimi will know what I'm talking about.) The SOCCOM people would never have joined an XBOX/PC Ghost Recon forum if Gr 2 never put that OTS view in. So they wouldn't be over here writing things like "I like the OTS view and different strokes for different folks" kind of stuff. They'd be over in the SOCOM forums talking about...well, whatever they would talk about. Check IGN's forums and it will be probably the same I think. Sure we love the Tom Clancy-esque storylines and the future technology today idea but PLEASE stop calling this series Ghost Recon! Call it something else because that's exactly what it is. Something else. Sorry, but it is. This has been WITCHD0CTOR reporting to the "higher ups" and I'll go back to being at ease with other titles like F.E.A.R., Battlefield 2: Modern Combat/ Special Forces, Call of Duty 2, Counter Strike Source on my PC until I can pop GRAW in my XBOX 360 with my fingers crossed like SO MANY OTHER PEOPLE!. It might be preumptious of me to speak for everyone but I think I'm right about most of it. Over and out.

[SamHunter]

I just came in on this and don't feel like reading everything so sorry if these issues have already been addressed.

Ehh, I have to say that I'm kinda mad that they took the FPWV out of the 360 version. Is there any reason for this? Seems to me as if I'm getting gypped.

As for the camera angles, I think that while OTS isn't realistic, it is still pretty cool, and I wouldn't been too upset if they removed it. Plain FP with only the reticule is probably the most realistic as you all have said, but it still isn't perfect. Any FPS isn't perfect b/c you have to take into account periphral (probably misspelled http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif) vision and the iron sights. After all, it is only a game and can only be so realistic.

[WITCHD0CTOR]

I just thought of the plot for GR 4 or the GRAW Expansion Pack! THe evil regime EA has taken over Ubisoft headquarters and our job as elite ghosts is to infiltrate Ubisoft, free the hostages that are forced to develop this GR series with an OTS view. Our intellegence revealed a plot to widen the fan base of Ghost Recon and to win over the hearts and minds of Sony loyalists who for lack of better shooters on Playstation got exposed to lethal amounts of SOCCOM and show symptoms of the OTS syndrome. The main objective is to liberate the dev team and escort them back to old Ghost Recon with a secondary objective of switching Christian Allen's perspective to an Over the Shoulder view and see how he likes looking at the back of his head and shoulder all day.
The only realistic explanation for the OTS view is that Scott Mitchell has seen so much combat that his post traumatic stress disorder causes him to be in that 3rd person dissociative state. If we got Scott therapy and a support group we might get him back to the reticule view. Good luck Ghosts!

[Chris_]

hey witchdoctor, I didn't read that whole gigantic paragraph, but by the first post in this thread it sounds like they have, in addition to the OTS view, the first person reticule view (without the weapon) like GR1.

"We have also included the FPS pure aiming reticule view for GR fans and FPS fans, which although has no weapon view, still allows the player the cover, roll and climb moves as well as the HUD with CROSS-COM display. This view also has a few extra features to give fans the possibility to aim and have camera shake for added immersion."

So I guess if you don't like OTS already, you can play in FPS mode.

I'm kinda sad they don't have FPWV, but if the game's good enough for the 360, I might pick it up for PC too.

[WITCHD0CTOR]

I know "Chris", (or should I say Christian Allen double agent! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif ha ha ha) I'll probably pick up the PC version too. In GR 2 it didn't matter that you had the reticule view available because it didn't PLAY anything like the OGR. The reticule felt like an after thought to appease the old fans but if you go play OGR and then play GR 2 in reticule view you'll see what I mean. Controls are VERY different. GR 2 felt sluggish, getting up and down from prone seemed like I was an elite grandma with arthritis. OGR controls were quick, reflexive and FUN!!! Anyway, I'm almost positive that I'll LOVE GR Advanced Warfighter but if the controls are the same as GR 2 then I will be playing co-op online (which from the sounds of it will be totally awesome with literally thousands of game variants) and single player Campaign but not LMS (Last Man Standing) or any other head to head matches because it's too frustrating when the controls feel SOOOO different and frankly not good in my opinion. I was just saying what A LOT of others have said about the loss of the game's old "feeling" of MOVEMENT that made original GR so GREAT. Thanks for the reponse Chris. And the shaky cam will be cool too I'm sure. Not to mention the next gen graphics and the high tech cross com. All I'm saying is I wish it "felt" like GR and not GR 2.

[Chris_]

well you have me stumped there, I never played any GR game on a console. I played GR1 on PC and have given it up since then because of what people were saying about the sub-par sequels (I like semi-realistic FPS's). I've come back for GR3 though with high hopes mostly because I have a X360 and no games to play right now. I hope they fix all of those "problems" you mention from the GR2.

I'll be playing a lot of multiplayer co-op, I think more games should focus on cooperative play rather than the same old boring deathmatch modes over and over again. TDM might be fun though.

I have to look for a HDTV now.

[WITCHD0CTOR]

You might want to wait for SED technology coming out later this year or the new Samsung DLPs that don't have the color wheel are in stores now (the color wheel was in last year's model and gave the picture a rainbow effect - I know, I have 2). But I http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif my Zenith 42" plasma HDTV. For some reason it just looks awesome with the XBOX 360. Hope that helps? And so you're not Christian Allen in disguise. Sorry.
PS. If you have not seen the latest Cry Engine video with the splitscreen PC/XBOX 360 demo of the what REAL NEXT GEN graphics will look like, check it out here (http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/10229/Far-Cry-Instincts-PREDATOR-Xbox-360-vs-PC-Water-Comparison/).
I've been waiting for 360 titles to catch up to PC quality (with the exception of Call of Duty 2). I have an AMD Athlon 64 FX-57 with dual nVidia 7800 GTXs and have been hooked on BF: 2 Special Forces and F.E.A.R. for the past couple months.

[abaqus2000]

I guess the ps2 version is also a FPS with weapon view.

Thanks’ again UBI

Abaqus2000

[NewBirth]

well to be honest I think who ever need the OTS view is a Newbie. if your a real fan of gr you would know how to play the game in first person only. it seems that alot of the people who played g.r.i.t. is now using the OTS view and thats just because the newbies are busting their butts beause they use that and see you before you get there. and not to mention the turbo controllers oh my GOD they wear the things out man and then will get on the game and say their good. BS!!!!!!!!!! they arent good they just have to add everything they can to compete with the big boys. so with that said I hope they do just make the whole thing FPS only and to hell with every other view. and to add to that if you come in my room it will be in FIRST PERSON ONLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So remember the name. Get yo weight up Newbies.........and leave the turbos alone..

[MassiveTurd]

I still dont understand why ubisoft took away the weapon view, a real shame they wont give us the option. everything else ha s an option apperently. is it lack of time for all the weapons? A lack of an answer is just plain ignorant. Dont treat as dum just because we play consols ubi. Disapointed.

[KeyzerSoze1979]

http://www.ghostrecon.com/ss/GRAW_X360_MP_28.jpg

its a perfect fusion, close enough to fpwv for me.

[APXIIII]

i like the 3rd person view(OTS) im newbie for console shooters but i think it fits better on console. (iâ´ve played FPS:s on PCs for years) and im getting quite sick seeing First person view with gun on console games as its on every PC game
best solution so far has been in Operation flashpoint. Ofcourse if you keep complaining about the lack of gun on FPV they might add it to the next ghost recon on 360, i dont mind at all if the option is there. more options=better game.

[RedBullet612]

I didnt like the lack of FPWV in other GH games http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif,but at least they have OTS in this http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif.For some reason I just dont like the look of a plain screen without a gun.Dunno why.Anyway,I am still buying this game due to its other features.Camera view is a small portion of games to me.I cant figure out why people dont buy awsome games with lots of features because of little things like camera view http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif.Ill be flamed for this probably http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif.

[NewBirth]

yeah but what about the sorry pieces of s&%$ that use these tubro controllers, huh what about them what do we do about their sorry *&$s

[DeadPatton]

so then what you saying is bring back my ghost recon advanced wf for x-box back to the store because its going to suck balls! you mean only xbox 360 gets the good stuff, very lame indeed. Makes me hate ubi soft! I will never buy another game from them again, socom here I come.

[DeadPatton]

like the other guy said fpv sucks balls very lame, and I think your a noob if you use fpv lots of glitches there. also its gay looking and anyone who calls someone a noob for using otsv is just a sucky player who uses a turbo and glitches to beat players he cant beat with out them! oh ya ya you dont lol sure you dont loser!

[SPC.GRAY]

I don't know if anyone has touched on it, yet, as I'm not about to sit here and read 8 pages of the same complaints about whether or not you can see your gun.

The real problem here is game designers pandering to the corporations insteand of the constituents. No, I'm not about to bash corporate-America, I just don't appreciate being sold out. They made sacrifices that affect us all for making an extra buck. My point: how hard would it have been to give the player a choice between FPS and OTS? Probably not very hard. Instead, the game panders to Microsoft, who's decided that players will want to win, not just have a good time, and they'll be best able to do that against their old, Xbox-Playing counterparts. It's all an incentive for win-hungry players to buy an Xbox 360. Again, would it have killed them to give everyone/no one a gun? Probably not.

And I don't know if anyone's seen any pictures of the Army today, but if you haven't noticed, the Army just droped oodles of dollards into ACUs, not Multicam. I'm not saying Crye Industries makes a bad uniform, but it's not our uniform. And this game is about our US Army Special Forces. Again, the design team made a choice to cut realism for an extra sponsor.

This game has always been about the realism. I've been playing it since I bought the Gold Edition on PC, and I've always appreciated that. And I was looking forward to going to Mexico.

[david_bobet]

Hey guys Im cunfiused here! Is there going to be a third person view on the ps2 version of the game. Or if not, will I be able to see the gun from a first person view.

Answer me guys, Im desprate http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

[BiggSlic]

The real problem here is game designers pandering to the corporations insteand of the constituents. No, I'm not about to bash corporate-America, I just don't appreciate being sold out.

Not meaning to be a smart-a$$, but UBI is owned by a FRENCH CORPORATION.

[Chris_]

Originally posted by SPC.GRAY:
And I don't know if anyone's seen any pictures of the Army today, but if you haven't noticed, the Army just droped oodles of dollards into ACUs, not Multicam. I'm not saying Crye Industries makes a bad uniform, but it's not our uniform. And this game is about our US Army Special Forces. Again, the design team made a choice to cut realism for an extra sponsor.

do you know of any sites on the net that keep up with this kind of information? I'm interested in US military news/technology.

[david_bobet]

Guys I am still not sure here http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif. Are any of you guys sure that the ps2 version of G.R.A.W will have an optional third person view. Cos at GAMESPOT they got screens and some of them are gameplay in the third person. Please answer me fast, I won't buy GRAW if it ain't in the third, my buirthday present is on the line here evrybody!

[AcE_KO]

Know what u mean DeadPatton and David_bobet. Guys in my clan are wondering the same thing. Is it OTS. A few are old GR vets, but still after competing within the socom 1, 2, & 3 ladders and tournaments, they like the to have the ability to switch between FPV and OTS. Each has it's own advantages in certain situations. I use both for instance in Socom. It just depends. I know some people who just use OTS and some that just use FPV. It's all about preference.


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[dillanpher]

why would ubisoft take out the OTS view on the xbox. I have gr2 and i really liked the ots view. dont get me wrong i love fps games but i thought it cool to be able to duck and cover and dive and all that. i am still gunna buy it on the xbox cause i dont have a 360. o well guess i will just have to deal. Did graw get bumped to 3/16?

[boss_717]

Hi people, I just want to ask if that the last ghost reckon game has a third person view.


Thanks, answer me please

[Dom211]

i've played GR since day one and i really didn't like the change over to OTS when GR2 came out. But over time i came to get use to it and i use it so i'm not at a disadvantage. i've played on many GR ladder sites...started back on TC. and while there is a lot of people who hate OTS there are more who like it. Out of top 30 teams who play on these ladder sites...if you asked all of them for a 1st person only match, only about 3 or 4 would actually and to play it. this tells me that most people do like the OTS the best. and that's what UBI has done with the 360 version. they have given the majority what they want.

and for the FPWV that would have been nice to see on the 360. i don't see why they just could put all 3 options on all the games.

[Raide_UK]

I never really liked Third Person Views until Splintercell came around. GR:AW's First Person view just feels a bit odd. The Third Person view just lets you see around much more and also gives you the feeling of being tactical. Rolling over, sliding to cover, reloading, it all looks cool because you can see it happening. Also, trying to do the cover slides and jumps would just be a bit confusing in First Person but it works really well in Third Person.

After a few hours playing GR:AW you just get into it and it feels right. Seeing the cross-com actually used for tactics is a laugh as well.

[SillyMikeyboy]

Originally posted by NOMADIC1974:
me and BIGOLHEAD have been saying this for months. Most people I have talked to feel kind of burned by the lack of FPWV in the 360 version especially cause it was marketed as such initially and got everybody's hopes up. I will never understand some peoples like of OTS view. Controlling your guy like an RC car just seems really silly and not immersive at all to me and all the people I reguraly play with. Not to mention all the seeing around objects nonsense. Oh well, not much we can do now except for hope for the best or wait for a whole new game.

After that E3 video, everyone thought we'd get a FPV with gun. Which is why R6 will ALWAYS be the better game.

[Mouse-22]

Whilst I understand and respect everyone's views on getting FPWV on Xbox 360 for the sake of 'realism', let me explain my POV on this and why I think Ubi have been very clever here.

FPWV games have always tended to be dominated by the PC and so by making the PC version a FPWV game, they satisfy PC gamers who are usually too stubborn to leave their platform. Being a PC gamer primarily myself, I understand this. Some of us put thousands of pounds/dollars into our machines. I believe Ubi recognized they need to please PC Gamers to avoid losses.

However, although I'm a PC gamer, I've seen how much space the weapon takes up and I can't say I'm overjoyed by it. I would personally prefer to have the OTS view to see all the action of the player that Ubi have obviously put a lot of effort into and I wouldn't mind giving the FPS (no weapon) view a go. For this reason - although I have preorded a PC copy of GRAW - I will most likely buy an Xbox 360 simply for GRAW (and Halo, I suppose) to play all aspects of the game. I may not buy one any time soon, but it's still on my list.

I didn't buy an Xbox "#1" and before now I have never really taken an interest in Xbox since I know that when the Xbox 720 or whatever comes out, I'll want one and my 360 will go in the bin. With PC's I can always upgrade. So considering my usual standing on this, the fact that GRAW has made me seriously consider buying a 360 shows me something. I am now going to be buying two copies of GRAW, not one, meaning more revenue for Ubi if other gamers take a similar stance.

I believe Ubi have recognized they need to please PC gamers, need to take gaming to a new level (OTS) and also get people to want several copies, and so have produced different views for different platforms. The way I see it, 200-300 pounds isn't a great deal to pay if this game's going to be worth my while seeing as it's no doubt an impressive machine and there's a huge selection of equally impressive games for it. So I'll play it on a friend's 360 first and compare to my PC version, if I really do like it I'm sure it'll persuade me to grab one. Similarly, most people have a PC, whether they use it for gaming or not. Therefore they just need a graphics card (and perhaps a bit of RAM) which they can pick up for close to 100 pounds. I'm not suggesting Ubi did some sort of deal with Microsoft to encourage people to buy Xboxes, I just think they've marketed the game so people will want two copies, not one. That's why we have the dilema of different views on different games and some of us may have to change our ways. Ultimately, we have little choice but to go with the flow. Ubi have probably realised this and thus have given us the option to get all of the views. It doesn't bother them whether it irritates us beyond belief, they know people will eventually put up with it, or conform and buy/change/upgrade their consoles/platforms. I guess it's the change to a major corporation, we see it happen everywhere. Yes they're becoming more like EA, but what did you expect?

I am however, (like everyone else) a little confused as I remember seeing on the 360 version trailer going from OTS to FPWV and how nice the transition was. However, I presume Ubi have recognized the popular views and have seperated them appropriately. Whilst I agree that it's probably too late, it'd be nice if Ubi decided to give the 360 ALL of the 3 main views. That would definitely encourage people to buy a 360 and a copy of GRAW with it (which may I remind you is more expensive than the PC version - make it worth it people). If there was any doubt in my mind now, having all views on the 360 would ensure me buying two copies, rather than one... The more expensive copy rather than the cheaper one. If this game's going to be as ground breaking as everyone hopes, it NEEDS ALL the views on atleast one of the platforms.

[SillyMikeyboy]

Bah, once Rainbow Six comes out, i wont give a **** about GRAW anymore. Nothin beats a FPV with a gun. Nothing.

[Mouse-22]

IMO it'll just be another FPS in that respect, although I do really like other features of the R6 games.

That's partly why I want the OTS view - so it's a bit different to all the other games I play/have played.

[gavinl31]

Well just spent the last hour or so playing GRAW, and im still a little stumped by what view 'is best', I like most am used to the FP view, going all the way back to doom and wolfenstein, but now it seems like GRAW is supposed to be played 3rd person, I much prefer FP, but you seem to get an advantage of using 3rd, i.e. can see round courners and get a much better feeling for when your taking cover...but I still prefer FP... what to do.......oh well suppose I will have to play some more..only trouble is..there noone else online to play with !!

[Calbox]

Originally posted by gavinl31:
Well just spent the last hour or so playing GRAW, and im still a little stumped by what view 'is best', I like most am used to the FP view, going all the way back to doom and wolfenstein, but now it seems like GRAW is supposed to be played 3rd person, I much prefer FP, but you seem to get an advantage of using 3rd, i.e. can see round courners and get a much better feeling for when your taking cover...but I still prefer FP... what to do.......oh well suppose I will have to play some more..only trouble is..there noone else online to play with !!

How do you like the graphics so far?

[gavinl31]

Thet are as expected superb...I'm glad I got myself a new lcd tv and a new surrond sound setup...makes life worth living...


Originally posted by Calbox:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by gavinl31:
Well just spent the last hour or so playing GRAW, and im still a little stumped by what view 'is best', I like most am used to the FP view, going all the way back to doom and wolfenstein, but now it seems like GRAW is supposed to be played 3rd person, I much prefer FP, but you seem to get an advantage of using 3rd, i.e. can see round courners and get a much better feeling for when your taking cover...but I still prefer FP... what to do.......oh well suppose I will have to play some more..only trouble is..there noone else online to play with !!

How do you like the graphics so far? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

[Raide_UK]

Multiplayer and Singleplayer graphics are great. Some of the multiplayer levels are just pure sweet http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Little details are all around and its almost fun to hunt them out without getting shot. If you getting the 360 version you will be able to add another title to your collection that you can show off to people.

When you see a full 8 or 16 player co-op, it brings a tear to your eye http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif