Lockdown weapon models look poor?

[DODoubleCizzle]

I think they do.. who is with me?
I seen the pc screens with the weapon mods for the m4 and smg and they look nothing like those of real life... raven sheilds weapons models look better than these.... what happened?

[AlphaDelta219]

the ravenshield ones were bad too but these look even worse.

[DODoubleCizzle]

Originally posted by AlphaDelta219:
the ravenshield ones were bad too but these look even worse.

What???? Raven shields weapon models where great.... still great. Realistic... but not as detailed as recent games like cs:s... But still nice. Makes you feel like it is actually real in raven shield though....


Its funny that no one has posted in this thread though.... they have realised a fately flaw in LD's so great graphics.....

[spm1138]

Yeah. The modelling does look a bit rough.

I dunno if it's so as to optimise MP performance or what.

The modelled sights are nice mind you.

[Cpt.Cordalez]

You speak about 3rd person or 1st person? I saw only 3rd person weapons in the few LD PC screens.

[Urban-Violence]

The models in general look dated, they look pulled from the PS2 version only with [slightly] better textures. I wish they'd drop that bloody dated engine and put some effort into this PC game, I want them to put the same effort into this PC game as they would into a X 360 game. Bloody consoles, I blame them.

[Cpt.Cordalez]

So what weapon you speak about? If you mean some 1st person pictures, where are they?

The article (http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/tomclancysrainbowsix4/news.html?sid=6136687) posted by somebody is about the PC version, but what are the trailers? They were posted by the end of 2004, they can't be PC trailers.

[spm1138]

I was talking primarily about the 1st person models.

I got kind of attached to the G36C.

[N.A.M.Punisher]

Nothing about Raven Shield was good.. well, not to any oldschooler anyways...

[Dirtydog28]

RvS is a great game and the weapon modeling was just fine, all games have their faults but to say RvS was not good at all is to harsh. But I would agree lockdown is looking pretty sad,, just look at xbox 360 screens of other games in comparison, it definately looks outdated.

[Cpt.Cordalez]

Again, you speak about the Lockdown PC 1st person screenshots, or what?????????????????????????????????????????????? ??????????????????????????????????????????????

I don't saw any 1st person Lockdown PC screens!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Where are they!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!


The Lockdown (CONSOLE) 1st person weapons are to small and way to much at the right side, quality isn't so great (I think still slightly better than RvS), but the ironsights are awesome, except the rearsight transparency.


The Raven Shield weapons ar just bad, with some exceptions.
The pistols have an awesome model and skin, thats why I guess they were made first. The MP5's are very good too, thats why I think they were made the second.
Weapons like the L85 and MTAR are good, but the rest (like M16A2 are purily horrible, wrong model, wrong skin).

[AlphaDelta219]

Originally posted by N.A.M.Punisher:
Nothing about Raven Shield was good.. well, not to any oldschooler anyways...


i cant start to say where that is wrong.

i bought rs the day it came otu and had r6 for a few montsh before that

[subzero1900]

if you ask my opinion, from switching from pc Raven Shield to xbox's Lockdown, the # of polys all around are decreased, the scopes on weapons are not even close to being "roundish" but hold the apperance of an Decagon (10 sided polygon)or lower with very little detail overall on the whole moddel of the guns, while Raven Shield may have some model inconsistencys and texture inaccuracys or what every you may call it, it's not one gun its all the guns that are this way, from barrels, silencers, scopes, it all looks jagged and weird and is probably the reason they went with the wierd Square "digital scope" on the WA2000


the iron sights are another story, I wouldn't mind 3-dimensional front iron sights but just two black bitmaps with no hint of color like gun metal gray or any color of military graded plastic. I can see the front bitmap moving completely seperate from the back bitmap and it dosen't work from the front bitmap moving to the right while the back bitmap moves to the left...to weapon bob at times its like the sights are just floating in mid air not even attached to each other from the way they move. the back bitmap is horrbly Pixalated and opacity needs to be reworked ALOT, I've looked down sights of a gun before, and seen the way my hands shake and move while I'm trying to hold still, its not perfect to say the least and standing while looking down the sights isn't easy to do with a rifle or even a bb gun

--offtopic--
did anyone see the Flash Image of Weber with the WA2000 fireing full auto... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif its like they summed up the Console version perfectly

[Cpt.Cordalez]

So you speak about console 1st person weapon models.

[WhiteKnight77]

Originally posted by Urban-Violence:
The models in general look dated, they look pulled from the PS2 version only with [slightly] better textures. I wish they'd drop that bloody dated engine and put some effort into this PC game, I want them to put the same effort into this PC game as they would into a X 360 game. Bloody consoles, I blame them.

What is wrong with RSE using an updated version of their engine (which they are)? That would be the same as saying Unreal should use a different engine other than the Unreal engine. Should Unreal use the Quake4 engine?

[Cpt.Cordalez]

No because Unreal3.0 engine is better than Quake4 engine.

So you guys speak about bad Lockdown (console) 1st person view weapon models. What it has to do with the PC version?

[subzero1900]

nothing besides the fact that the iron sights were horribly done, and from witnessing almost Identical faces of the operatives, I'm not going to expect alot besides a simple port and polish title, which isn't going to expand the series but kill it if I'm correct which I hope I'm not.

[JetSolo]

Who cares???????????????

****...do you really walk into a room and say - wow - I can see the detail of the drawings. Nice paintings...

NO! You walk into a room , Like in (Met) RS and you battle t'ill the death against ppl that are on the 2nd floor behind the stairs.

****...why does everyone (new guys to the genre) just care about how the floor and ceiling looks.

[subzero1900]

jet quit showing your ignorance, and quit jumping the gun, I was talking about how poorly the iron sights were done and how bad the moddels were to a 2003 game (aka Raven Shield) for a 2004-5 game the graphics are poor but to be worse than a 2003 game explain that to me.

[JetSolo]

Yes, I agree that graphic wise .... the game is old.

But... What about Rogue Spear. Die hard fans still play that with , bugs, cheats, and graphics that would seem better if I drew them on paper.

We need to really focus the devs into the Gameplay - rather than the flashyness that some games go after 10000% and they lose in gameplay.

Jet.

[subzero1900]

??? you got me confused, are you taking it as

A. Lockdown Console vrs Raven shield

or

B. Rogue Spear vrs Raven shield



because Lockdown on console graphic wise is substandard (read previous post) but seeing as that graphics shouldn't matter and game play does Lockdown on console fails in the gameplay department even here and it sould at least excell at someting but yet it dosen't.

[JetSolo]

I havnt played Lockdown Console.

But as for the Lockdown PC - I hope that it doesn't reseamble the gameplay in RvS.

[NaRc.op]

I agree with Jet here you can only stare at something so long what keeps me playing a game is the gameplay. The gameplay makes the game fun not just the graphics those are just a plus.

[Cpt.Cordalez]

Originally posted by JetSolo:
We need to really focus the devs into the Gameplay - rather than the flashyness that some games go after 10000% and they lose in gameplay.

That is exactly my concern. I can live with not so good graphics, aslong the gameplay is good.

Indeed I find the graphics showed in the pics not bad, I can definitely life with it good times, but not with those player models.

And not with gameplay of Lockdown (console) and Raven Shield. Even not really with Rogue Spear. I just want it to be realistic, which packs speed and effectivity and balance aswell.