No SADS

[TH_Overkill]

Can I just say that no SADS is NOT the end of the world or THIS GAME!

There are already good servers out there for Vegas without SADS, the game has dedicated server.

As KI.Maximus pointed out in the ˜Patch Status Update' thread, Ravenshield didn't have SADS until the 3rd or 4th patch, which was probably when the online play was getting more popular.

TH clan had a RVS server for many years that was full most nights & was used in many ladder matches but we never used the SADS.

People have said that games hosting companies won't be running Vegas servers because they won't want to buy & install the whole game on their servers, but that to me sounds ridiculous, if there is a demand for servers GOOD hosting companies WILL provide them, OK they may have to charge an extra £1 a month.

Also there must be many online games that don't have SADS.

The thing that is missing that we really need is admin controls, that has to be in the next patch.

Yes! It would be good to have SADS but we're not getting it, so get over it or just go & find another game to play. If you like this game I'm sure you will get over it.

BTW 2 months is a real bummer! I hope it's worth the wait! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

[TH_Overkill]

Can I just say that no SADS is NOT the end of the world or THIS GAME!

There are already good servers out there for Vegas without SADS, the game has dedicated server.

As KI.Maximus pointed out in the ˜Patch Status Update' thread, Ravenshield didn't have SADS until the 3rd or 4th patch, which was probably when the online play was getting more popular.

TH clan had a RVS server for many years that was full most nights & was used in many ladder matches but we never used the SADS.

People have said that games hosting companies won't be running Vegas servers because they won't want to buy & install the whole game on their servers, but that to me sounds ridiculous, if there is a demand for servers GOOD hosting companies WILL provide them, OK they may have to charge an extra £1 a month.

Also there must be many online games that don't have SADS.

The thing that is missing that we really need is admin controls, that has to be in the next patch.

Yes! It would be good to have SADS but we're not getting it, so get over it or just go & find another game to play. If you like this game I'm sure you will get over it.

BTW 2 months is a real bummer! I hope it's worth the wait! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

[T1mberw0lf]

They said 2 months now, so in another 6 weeks, they will say 5 more weeks, then in another 4 weeks they will say 3 more weeks, etc.

So I'd estimate a patch release of 3 months and 2 weeks from now. Oh, and without the 'admin controls' you say will definitely come...because that's part of SADS, and they already said SADS aren't coming.

Sorry to be a pestimist, but at this point, I consider it more of a realist.

[SteveLord8]

One of the biggest requests...and it cant be fulfilled...how many others do you think will be scrapped?

Based on the previous patches...answer me that...please.

[bjmarler1]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> ...Can I just say that no SADS is NOT the end of the world or THIS GAME!
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I must respectfully disagree with you on that one. Most of the clans that were willing to switch to Vegas refused to do so mostly because of that one reason. For a clan to not be able to fully controll its own server is as useless as tits on a boar as they say. Withouth the ability to fully control a server it's just not worth it for most clans.

So, without the majority of clans being willing to support Vegas due to the lack of SADS, it is the end of the world for it IMHO. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

My hat goes off to those that are willing to do it anyway!!!

[sired1959]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TH_Overkill:
Can I just say that no SADS is NOT the end of the world or THIS GAME!

There are already good servers out there for Vegas without SADS, the game has dedicated server.

As KI.Maximus pointed out in the ˜Patch Status Update' thread, Ravenshield didn't have SADS until the 3rd or 4th patch, which was probably when the online play was getting more popular.

BTW 2 months is a real bummer! I hope it's worth the wait! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You are right about "not the end of the world".

But it wont have the status Ravenshield or Rogue spear or Ghost recon had. Look at bf2, america's army, unreal 1,2,3,4, half life, counter strike, Quake do i need to say more ?

80% of these game's succeses are better support and Sads or at least something close. Why they are popular ? Because the community host servers because they like it and not for the money as most hostst and game developers do and they make mods with an sdk because they like it. If you dont get that well, then that it is your problem.

[TH_Overkill]

I think you've all missed my point, it's admin control we realy need not SADS! You can have admin control without SADS.

[vapor002]

Yes we have missed the point.

It was too small and convoluted to find.

[ConsolesR4Kids]

There was a perfectly good thread already opened that covered all this. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

[Trashman_DDS]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TH_Overkill:
Can I just say that no SADS is NOT the end of the world or THIS GAME! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Since word of long wait for patch and notice of no intent to give SADS there has been a 50% drop of online play so you never know...it might be.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">There are already good servers out there for Vegas without SADS, the game has dedicated server. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yes there are thanks but we have no control over ralfymalfy69!!.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">As KI.Maximus pointed out in the ˜Patch Status Update' thread, Ravenshield didn't have SADS until the 3rd or 4th patch, which was probably when the online play was getting more popular. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Online play became popular way before RVS or Ghost Recon.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">TH clan had a RVS server for many years that was full most nights & was used in many ladder matches but we never used the SADS. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
SADS = Stand Alone Dedicated Server
You dont need it is true, as long as there is full admin control within the game then your right.
I do see a lot of people complaining about SADS and they dont even run or never will run a dedicated server so not sure if they are complaining for some of us or what but thanks.
SADS is required for server hosting companies so certian requirements are not needed.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">People have said that games hosting companies won't be running Vegas servers because they won't want to buy & install the whole game on their servers, but that to me sounds ridiculous, if there is a demand for servers GOOD hosting companies WILL provide them, OK they may have to charge an extra £1 a month. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Server hosting companies I believe do not use regular PC's so they are not able to use these video cards required therefore my answer above.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Also there must be many online games that don't have SADS </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I doubt it!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">The thing that is missing that we really need is admin controls, that has to be in the next patch. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Thats the ticket!

Cheers
T

[TH_Overkill]

First off I'll ignore vapor002 remark because he does seem to cry over the slightest thing!


Trashman_DDS we nearly agree,

1 &gt; <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> There are already good servers out there

Yes there are thanks but we have no control over
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's what I said, we need admin control

2 &gt; <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> when the online play was getting more popular.

Online play became popular way before RVS or Ghost Recon.

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sorry, I meant playing RVS online http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

3 &gt; <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> full most nights & was used in many ladder matches but we never used the SADS.

SADS is required for server hosting companies </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sorry that's not quite true, some companies may only run SADS, but if there is a demand there will be companies hosting Vegas.

4 &gt; <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">if there is a demand for servers GOOD hosting companies WILL provide them

Server hosting companies I believe do not use regular PC's so they are not able to use these video cards required therefore my answer above.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It doesn't take a very big PC to run a dedicated server, I know Vegas needs Pixel Shader 3 even to get into the menu but that only means the server needs a Geforce 6100 or higher.

If the patch is good & we all stay with Vegas then maybe SADS will follow, just like it did with RVS http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[T1mberw0lf]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TH_Overkill:
I think you've all missed my point, it's admin control we realy need not SADS! You can have admin control without SADS. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

And you missed my point:

Admin controls aren't coming. I'm sure UBI considers them part of SADS, as in, part of a completed stand alone dedicated server...which they have said you aren't getting. What's the point of giving you admin controls when they expect you to only host games while you are playing? You have control then.

So in summary: admin controls = SADS = not gunna happen.

You'll eventually get the looping rope sound bug fixed though. Just hold on tight for another couple months.

[FI_FlimFlam]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TH_Overkill:
It doesn't take a very big PC to run a dedicated server, I know Vegas needs Pixel Shader 3 even to get into the menu but that only means the server needs a Geforce 6100 or higher.

If the patch is good & we all stay with Vegas then maybe SADS will follow, just like it did with RVS http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Overkill, I understand your point and it works ok with people with standard hardware and cases. But, no disrespect intended, I'm afraid you might not have a clear picture of what kind of hardware many hosting companies and many teams/clans own or rent. They are 1U or 2U servers. Often they do not have any graphics except perhaps simple 2d chipsets on the motherboard. A 1U server is only a couple of inches high and is designed to optimize space in a server rack with other servers. It's primary purpose is for data NOT 3d gaming per se. Full size cards simply will not fit in these cases sometimes even with a riser or ribbon to attempt to make them work. Secondly, often these servers also do not have CD-ROMs in them (like my teams) also preventing running games that do not have SADS without taking illegal means into consideration.

SADS are required in these instances and is why for an online game to get the greatest number of servers available for players, it's essential for developers and publishers to be aware of these facts and provide a usable SADS. As far as administration, that is also of great importance and without, it greatly decreases the usablility of the servers. What's the point in providing servers if you cannot control them. Most people and hosting companies will not offer servers without either features because with hosting, both are of great importance.

[TH_Overkill]

Sorry T1mberw0lf but you are a little comfused, SADS is just a Stand Alone Decicated Server, which simply means it doesn't need the full game to run, it's NOTHING to do with admin control. Our RVS server did NOT use SADS & I still had full server control in or out of the game. You might be right in saying they won't add admin control, but they haven't said that their not, admin control would be a lot easier to add to the game than writing a complete SADS program http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

FI_FlimFlam you might be right about some games hosting companies using rack type servers, but I know all the companies that I've rented from don't!

But all we can do is wait & see what the next patch brings.

[ConsolesR4Kids]

I agree with T1mberw0lf. UBI has so much to fix already they won't be adding new features. Adding new features means new bugs and this will be the last patch. Their plate is full just correcting old bugs and the toy of a browser.

At best you will get one of the main things people complain about ie ability to ban accounts.

[Xtreme.]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> Sorry T1mberw0lf but you are a little comfused, SADS is just a Stand Alone Decicated Server, which simply means it doesn't need the full game to run, it's NOTHING to do with admin control. Our RVS server did NOT use SADS & I still had full server control in or out of the game. You might be right in saying they won't add admin control, but they haven't said that their not, admin control would be a lot easier to add to the game than writing a complete SADS program Wink. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Just out of curiousity, did someone in your clan always host a server from there house? Did they collocate a computer to a company and remote in to start up a server? And why would anyone waist 2-4 gigs of space with a full install as opposed to the sads files which were less then 500 mb? The sads file where just the core components to get a server launched not require large graphical files only players needed ect. So either if someone hosted a server from there house as long as they had a good connection it could be done very easily and with minimum lag, but bottom line is it still ran the same way.

Right now these servers are not set up this way, the only way to control them is to launch it from your computer at home or have companies host them and allow you to remote in and control your servers. I can only imagine what they would charge for something like that so i can not see that ever taking off. The only way i see servers staying up is if ppl host them in gui mode as opposed to text mode, this way they have all control. Ubi will most likely not fix the console commands but if they did then yes maybe we could salvage this game.

[T1mberw0lf]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TH_Overkill:
Sorry T1mberw0lf but you are a little comfused, SADS is just a Stand Alone Decicated Server, which simply means it doesn't need the full game to run, it's NOTHING to do with admin control. Our RVS server did NOT use SADS & I still had full server control in or out of the game. You might be right in saying they won't add admin control, but they haven't said that their not, admin control would be a lot easier to add to the game than writing a complete SADS program http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

FI_FlimFlam you might be right about some games hosting companies using rack type servers, but I know all the companies that I've rented from don't!

But all we can do is wait & see what the next patch brings. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I know what SADS literally means, but that isn't what most people take it to mean. Most people assume that with sads, you will have SOME control functionality. It makes sense, as we know that without admin controls to a server, the server is near useless.

And I'm sure that people like UBI consider them one and the same, and have written off the whole group (SADS, Admin controls, I'm sure there's more that can be grouped here like being able to host more than one server on a different port on the same machine).

[TH_Overkill]

Hopefully they can fit a lot into the patch, they've been working on it for a long time & it's still going to take 2 months.

When it comes to the admin controls I'm an optimist & you're a pessimist, we don't know who's going to be right we'll just have to wait & see, going by UBI's recent behaviour it will probably be you http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif.

BTW Xtreme, yes that server was in someones home, it was before you could rent servers. It was one of our clan leaders that had a 10mbs up/down connection that was later upgraded to 100mbs up/down http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

[wal-martsec]

Here is the deal.

I don't mind uploading the complete game folder. (although very big)

Needing an extra cd is bozo. (I know there are options out there, but having to do that is silly).

Video card should not be limited

Admin Controls.

Fix those 3 things and we can work with that.

[Operator.SF]

doesn't matter what they fix... its too little too late.. they wont reprogram the whole game which is whats needed to make EVERYONE happy. so y'all may as well get over it and move on.

the patch could be 2 gigs and it's still not going to be enough. people have left and they wont be back. there were like 10 people playing before and now theres like.. 5. you think they're gonna bust their butts for some mind blowing patch for an absolute minimum number of players? I doubt it. you may as well come to terms with the fact that you've been screwed

like holo said in his poll about people leaving... this will be my last post here because screwbisoft just isnt worth my time.

bye bye... feel free to flame away. I won't be reading it...LOL

[T1mberw0lf]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TH_Overkill:
Hopefully they can fit a lot into the patch, they've been working on it for a long time & it's still going to take 2 months.

When it comes to the admin controls I'm an optimist & you're a pessimist, we don't know who's going to be right we'll just have to wait & see, going by UBI's recent behaviour it will probably be you http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif.

BTW Xtreme, yes that server was in someones home, it was before you could rent servers. It was one of our clan leaders that had a 10mbs up/down connection that was later upgraded to 100mbs up/down http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, when it comes to this, I'm a pessimist and you are an optimist, but you don't have to wait 2 months to find out which is right. We have no reason to believe a patch has been worked on for so long. All we really know is that there hasn't been a patch for a long time, and what we need is more than a patch, it's a full game update / overhaul. IF a patch comes, it will have fixes like the rope bug, and a glitchy garbagecan. To think that they are going to overhaul the code and create new features for you and the 10 other people that still play this game is ludacris. That would require more devs putting in more hours than gamers actually playing the game, which is definitely a worthwhile investment for UBI.

[SteveLord8]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TH_Overkill:
Hopefully they can fit a lot into the patch, they've been working on it for a long time & it's still going to take 2 months.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Do you know for a FACT that they've been working on it for a long time?

Stop the nonsense.

[venture7004]

I thought RVS came out of the box with dedicated server, bad memory i guess.

The point is, Ravenshield had 10000 people on at a time when it was new. They simply didn't get the sales with this game to put any time into patches. This will fall by the wayside just like lockdown.

[TH_Overkill]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SteveLord8:
Do you know for a FACT that they've been working on it for a long time?
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

two choices, we can go by what we were told by UBI or make it up & talk out of our asses.

I go by what we are told by UBI, whether it's true or not I don't know but I do know that some people here just make stuff up, they say it's because they hate the game, but we all really know they're just spitting their dummy http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif.

We were told a long time ago that UBI were working on a patch.

[T1mberw0lf]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TH_Overkill:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SteveLord8:
Do you know for a FACT that they've been working on it for a long time?
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

two choices, we can go by what we were told by UBI or make it up & talk out of our asses.

I go by what we are told by UBI, whether it's true or not I don't know but I do know that some people here just make stuff up, they say it's because they hate the game, but we all really know they're just spitting their dummy http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif.

We were told a long time ago that UBI were working on a patch. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why would you go with what UBI has said when they have lied to all of us multiple times?! Don't believe me? Read the forums here. They have contradicted themselves tons of times. Unbanned banned accounts, which is against their policy, banned accounts for dubious reasons, and generally either ignored us or lied straight to our faces.

I don't see a single shred of justification for believing anything they say. When they say something and then deliver on what they said, I will change my opinion of the matter.

[Emenance]

I dont believe for a minute the this upcomming patch was anything more than an after thought. A reaction to our actions on this forum.

Vegas has been done and presented the same way GRAW was. There is nothing positive here to percieve or believe.

[Th3Fl1cker]

FFS It IS THE END OF THIS GAME FOR THE AUS COMMUNITY. No SADS means NO ISP will even touch this stupid hunk of cr@p, i cant believe ubisoft is soo stupid. What is wrong with u @ssholes. We are sick of hosting our own servers with no admin power and no way of policing the server wat so ever. I suggest on all the games UBIsoft makes in the future shuld have a sticker on it "SADS not included"
im never buying another 1 of ubisofts products again......
GG UBI G ****ing G

[tunr3al]

uhh

1.) ISP's don't host game servers

2.) They don't care about Vegas because they've already been working on the sequel since its release.