WIP BF110 G2 Help with unknown unit, please.

[buglord]

Hi all ive just about finished this skin but i cant seem to find which unit its from, QI+VB South of Russia, Summer 1942 thats all the info ive got http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif apart that its got a large skeleton hand on the nose, any help would be appreciated. thanks.............buglord
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b26/Buglord/wipbf110.jpg

[buglord]

Hi all ive just about finished this skin but i cant seem to find which unit its from, QI+VB South of Russia, Summer 1942 thats all the info ive got http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif apart that its got a large skeleton hand on the nose, any help would be appreciated. thanks.............buglord
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b26/Buglord/wipbf110.jpg

[hg.hotbox1]

Nice looking skin, as for the unit, i think it is NaGr 1 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[csThor]

Stab/NAG 1 to be precise - and it's a Bf 110 F to be the ultimate nitpicker http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif . Although it started its carreer with Stab/StG 77 before being handed over to NAG 1.

[polak5]

nice skin im always interested in these cuz i like to fly the 110. can i, may i, have plz

[Kuna15]

Now that is an interesting and nice done Bf-110 scheme http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.
I don't know anything about that aircraft history tho.

[buglord]

Thanks all ,Will be uploaded soon fellas & thor thanks m8 you really helped me out there with your knowledge. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[jagdmailer]

Looks great Buglord.

Unfortunaly, the Bf 110 is a relatively "forgotten" bird by good skinners in general. There are several good skins for it, namely by Cpt Farrels & CanonUK that I am aware of, but still not nearly enough IMO. This is definately one of the better ones though!

Will download as soon as you upload :-)

Jagd

[buglord]

Thanks jagdmailer will be uploading shortly but i need some more info again please everyone, im not sure if the skeletal claw is on both sides of the nose or not, does anyone know http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif thanks again.

[jagdmailer]

You are welcome Buglord,

Actually, I do own a copy of "Luftwaffe Emblems 1939-1945" by Ketley & Rolfe.

I searched through it just now and they do have that same pic as posted on SIMHQ earlier today or yesterday.

No mention about if the hands are on both sides but my personal expenrience would let me believe that it was in this case.

Having said that, the skeletal hand was used as a smaller emblem hand on Bf 109 units 3./JG233 which later became 3./JG51 and which had it on their Bf 109Es.

The caption (for the Bf 110) claims that that aircraft indeed belong to Stab./NAGr 1 but indicate that it is a Bf 110G-3 variant seen in Autumn 1943 probably in the Mediterranean or Southern sector of Russian Front.

BTW, the spinners on your skin are wrong according to my picture. Looks like half or even 3/4 of the spinner are black, the other half or 1/4 white, (could also be 2/3 black and 1/3 white) and the caption says that the tips (which are about twice as large as yours) should be green (Stab colour).

Also, on the picture, the near "top finger" seems to almost touch the "number 3 MG17" and the second near top finger should just about touch the "number 4 MG17" (MG numbered from 1 to 4 starting from the starboard side)

That is all I have got in this particular Bf 110. Hope this helps enhance its accuracy.

Jagd

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by buglord:
Thanks jagdmailer will be uploading shortly but i need some more info again please everyone, im not sure if the skeletal claw is on both sides of the nose or not, does anyone know http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif thanks again. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

[Aero_Shodanjo]

Looks great m8 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

[KRISTORF]

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[turnipkiller]

Absolutely wonderful buglord! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

I have a profile of a Ju-88 which has the same skeletal hand on it. "A Ju-88A-14 (Q1+JC) believed to be of Stab II Gruppe/Zerstorergeschwader 1, Mamaia, Rumania, April 1944. The skeletal hand emblem was also carried by Bf 110s of I Gruppe." Would this be the unit that you mentioned csThor? I am not too good at the German unit breakdowns.

Again, a very nice skin buglord. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[jagdmailer]

Was not very familiar with the Bf 110G-3 variant but it appears it was a dedicated medium/long range recon variant. I found the following info which seems to jive with the fact that this Bf 110 belonged to Stab./NAGr (being a recon unit)

Bf 110G-3: This version was produced in parallel with the Bf 110G-2. The G-3 was a long-range reconnaissance version, thus, it was fitted with 1 Rb 50/30 or Rb 70/30 camera in place of the 2 X MG 151/20 cannon. Fixed forward-firing armament consisted of 4 X 7,92 mm MG17 machine guns, a mobile rearward-firing armament of a 81z two-barrel 7,92mm machine gun, a fixed rearward-firing armament of 1 X 20 mm MG 151/20 cannon under the rear fuselage with 350 rounds, and provision for 2 X 300 liter drop tanks under the outer wing panels. The Bf 110G-3 had a maximum level speed of 348 mph (560 km/h) at 5800m, and its normal range was 900 km.

Interesting.....never heard of a fixed MG151/20 firing to the rear under the fuselage in a Bf 110.

Jagd

[jagdmailer]

Here is the pic from my own server for whomever did not see the post on SIMHQ. The caption I do have for this pic however is a little different from the caption inserted in the picture.

What I have is that this is a Bf 110G-3 (basically a medium/long range recon variant of the Bf 110G-2) of Stab./NAGr 1 (Nahaufklärungsgruppe 1)in Southern Russia in the fall of 1943(NAGr=Short Range Army Reconnaissance group). The Luftwaffe "1933-45" website (http://www.ww2.dk) lists the airfields for Stab./NAGr 1 as of Makejewka, (august-september 1943)& Apostolovo (October-December 1943) which are both located North East of Kherson, Ukraine & not far from the western banks of the Dniepr river. Thus, Southern Russian Front seems accurate for this A/C.

http://www.axiomdigital.com/110g3q1VB.jpg

Jagd

[CKY_86]

the plane belonged to stab/NAGr 1. the stab formed from stab/Aufkl.gr AOK 1 in january 42 & was disbanded in may of 45, the aircraft they opreated were bf109, bf110, fi156, fw189, ju188 & me262

[jagdmailer]

Buglord,

I also have a profile of yet another recon Bf 110G-3 "6M+HL" of "Kustenstaffel Krym" (basically 3.(F)/Auflk. Gr 11) operating in same theatre of ops circa april 1943 in RLM 74/75/76 with some green motling & 2 X 300l drop-tanks.

Let me know if that interests you as well since you are at it, or anyone else for that matter.

Jagd

[buglord]

Well thanks all & thankyou very much jagdmailer for all this useful info, i have done the spinners since last screenie (half & half & done spinner tip)& ive moved the skeletal hand to where it is in the picture ( pain too do because of mapping ) & i would also like to see the profile of "6M+HL" . Again thanks for your help, some interesting stuff youve given me m8. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif uploading in the next day or so.

[buglord]

UPDATE.
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b26/Buglord/front110.jpg

[JG52Uther]

Oh i'm in love http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

[jagdmailer]

Hey Buglord,

Can we have a couple more different angles of your updates ? Let us know when ready for upload too.

I can certainly send you the other "recon" Eastern Front Bf 110G-3 profile that I have, although it is not as "dramatic" as this one but still looks good with the 2 X 300l tanks & yellow wing tips.

Jagd

[Friendly_flyer]

It looks beautifull, Buglord, keep us informed!