M468 vs SCAR rifles

[Semia]

Which will the military go with, what do you like?

[Semia]

Which will the military go with, what do you like?

[Morphial]

Watch this

http://shock.military.com/Shock/videos.do?displayContent=172738&page=1

& read this

http://www.military.com/news/article/operators-test-new-commando-rifle.html

[EvlPerson]

the scar is a far better weapon, regardless of the applause of that article. the m4/m16 series have reliability issues.

on a side note, i would take a g36 over any version of the aforementioned rifles any day.

[Lil Cwayne]

M468 isn't really a new weapon it is only a upper receiver which shoots a 6.8 round.

I dont really like the look of the SCAR, plus they are using the SCAR in EndWar which in my opion the M8 kinda looked better.

So I like the M468.

[EvlPerson]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by c_wayne:
So I like the M468. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I can guarantee you that you would change your mind the first time it jams on you in a firefight. But then again, you might not have a mind left to change after that! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[ghostrcon_820]

SCAR LCQC all the way... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[XxCH0NGxX]

I'll take the M468

[xxxxLEADERxxxx]

First you need to ask yourself , " What am I looking for in an assault rifle (Rifleman's class)" ?

1)Is is a high caliber bullet that can put an enemy down fast with few bullets ?

2)Is it speed as to say how fast the bullets exit the gun ?

3)Is it the accuracy as to say how many bullets will hit the same area your aiming at ?

These 3 questions are actually in real life gun makers minds . The military demands a gun that has a powerful bullet (believe it or not some smaller bullets are more powerful than bigger ones of the same caliber or a couple mm. bigger)

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1)Speed- You'll need two controllers and that's it . Go split-screen and pick let's say Headquarters (everybodies favorite map right :-( ) and put both characters up against a wall and squeeze the right firing triggers at the same time . I forget how many bullets are in the SCAR's clip but I know there's 28 in the M468 so squeeze off some bullets until both guns have 28 rounds in the clip . Which gun empties their clip first that's the fastest of the two .

2)Accuracy- With two controllers again go split-screen and pick Headquarters . Go to the firing range (not alot of people know this but Headquarters is the only map on the game that has a firing range that's actually good for little experiments like this) and stand behind the furthest bench and aim for the target in front of you . First , squeeze the firing trigger without squeezing the left trigger to quick zoom or clicking on the right analog stick to scope down to the target . Just free fire the whole clip and then check to see how many bullets actually hit . Second , stand behind the bench and aim at the target in front of you and squeeze the left trigger to quick zoom and fire the whole clip . Check the target to see how many bullets actually hit . Third , stand behind the bench and click on the right analog stick and scope in on the target in front of you and empty the whole clip . Check the target to see how many bullets actually hit . This experiment will give you an idea of what guns are accurate and which aren't .

3)Bullet Caliber - You can simply find this out by shooting your other split-screen character in various parts of the body (arm , leg , chest , back , ect.) or with an online friend in Player Match/Solo Elimination .

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What your going to find out from the accuracy test is that short controlled bursts are more accurate than pray and spray . Also , that no matter how big the caliber bullet is it's all about accuracy . Practise on getting head shots .
In other words learn how to shoot and you'll be good with any gun .

[Fedaykin552]

I hate the M4. It is an unreliable (unless cleaned obsessively) and frankly I think it lacks stopping power against anything with more cover than a canvas bag (probably not true but you get my point).This mostly bacause, for those of you who dont convert mm to calibre, 5.56mm =roughly a .22cal. It's good against things with no armor but beyond that is beyond the M4.
The REC7 however is Barret made (M107, M95, M82A1) so bigger round 6.8mm is effective against even body armor. Has a better range, stopping power and 1.5 times the kinetic energy. If it wasn't Barret made I wouldn't use it but since it is, I'd prefer it over the SCAR-H/L If the SCAR can prove me wrong I would use that but I take a proven manufacturer over a brand new one.

Although if I had the choice Kalashnikov would be first and foremost. But Kalashnikov vs Barret who would win that?

[Morphial]

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[Schmitty2006]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Fedaykin552:
I hate the M4. It is an unreliable (unless cleaned obsessively) and frankly I think it lacks stopping power against anything with more cover than a canvas bag (probably not true but you get my point).This mostly bacause, for those of you who dont convert mm to calibre, 5.56mm =roughly a .22cal. It's good against things with no armor but beyond that is beyond the M4.
The REC7 however is Barret made (M107, M95, M82A1) so bigger round 6.8mm is effective against even body armor. Has a better range, stopping power and 1.5 times the kinetic energy. If it wasn't Barret made I wouldn't use it but since it is, I'd prefer it over the SCAR-H/L If the SCAR can prove me wrong I would use that but I take a proven manufacturer over a brand new one.

Although if I had the choice Kalashnikov would be first and foremost. But Kalashnikov vs Barret who would win that? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Barret Arms has been in business since 1982

Fabrique Nationale started in 1889 (Yep, Eighteen Eighty Nine)

Your post sounds like you would rather have a Barret, because FN (who make the SCAR) is a 'brand new one'


You should have a signature on your posts.

"If You can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullsh!t"

It would be fitting.

[SmoothExponent]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">SCAR </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
SCAR's Accuracy and stealth is on point. Its my favorite and a close runner up is the MRC.

[GeneralWeasel]

I love the SCAR but M4 is a classic and works effiecently right away. SCAR's you have to mess with to make them work.

[Cycofoo]

6.8 heavier bullet resulting in heavier damage at short distances. But at a distance the bullet will become less accurate and will have less penetration compared to the 5.56.

5.56 higher velocity resulting in more effectiveness at distances.

If you think about it 6.8 is just a fatter bullet meaning that you'll probably need a m-16 sized barrel. This is like a 45. in a SMG size that was made for a 9mm. Plus I think you'll be happier without the recoil considering how heavy recoil really is when you when firing the AK. You'll have to recover back to the position instead of having sights positioned after firing.

[Cycofoo]

BTW just cause the 5.56 is smaller doesnt mean it wont penatrate anything. It will... it will...

[EvlPerson]

Kinda like the difference between a 9mm and .45 pistol. the 9mm can penetrate just fine, and has nice controlable recoil, but the .45 will penetrate as well, and may have worse recoil, but when the guy lands on his *** 5ft away after one shot, u start to see why i will never EVER buy a 9mm...

[klownsnypr]

5ft is an exaggeration, but I totally see where you are coming from.

The 5.56 nato round does its job. That being to beable to penetrate body armor and mess up the intended targets insides. Me personally I would choose the 5.56 over the 7.62 nato or soviet any day in real life. Video games don't accuratly portray ballistics and recoil the way it should.

The SCAR and M4 are basically the same gun with the same receiver type that look different. One, the scar, has a new more modular design that is more friendly to attachments than the tried and true M4 design. The M468 is slightly longer and heacier than the M4 but still carries the same basic design.

I would like to see the Magpul Masada being incorperated in video games. That being said I would like to get the true spec ops feel and be ableto add an attachments that I feel that the mission needs. The Masada has a similar design to the SCAR, being modular that is, and the user can swap out receivers and barrels to chamber a 7.62 Nato round.

But since the op is about the SCAR or the M468, I'll have to go with the SCAR H.

[EvlPerson]

I'm not terribly familiar with the body armor penetration statistics of nato 7.62 and 5.56 rounds, but i would still rather use a 7.62, for the same reason i would rather use a .45 over a 9mm... knockdown power. obviously recoil can be an issue, but i am a believer in conserving ammo and making every possible shot count.