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SubwayCH
08-21-2008, 01:48 PM
Who here thinks they know a lot about WW2? I"m talking alliances, countries, weapons, aircraft, tanks and so on. Show me your stuff!

SubwayCH
08-21-2008, 01:48 PM
Who here thinks they know a lot about WW2? I"m talking alliances, countries, weapons, aircraft, tanks and so on. Show me your stuff!

DAFOC
08-21-2008, 03:02 PM
Churchill wsant to invade Italy the attak Germany from the south by attacking Chechslovokia and the Balklands. Then Frane and Germany

mattack91
08-21-2008, 03:07 PM
WWII is a war

N3V30
08-21-2008, 03:09 PM
America and Russia were on the same side :O

BTR74
08-21-2008, 07:38 PM
Germany won.

Slevin1147
08-21-2008, 07:47 PM
Hitler makes a mistake by stopping the bombardment of Britain when the RAF were severely suffering and had few remaining aircraft to defend themselves and then focuses on Russia, a decision which cost him the war. Had Hitler invaded Britain the world is not the same as it is today.

This topic is far too broad though, you should change the thread to focus on a specific aspect of the war.

Myke08
08-21-2008, 07:49 PM
I know alot. Let's see.

Poland invaded September 1st
Britain and France wait 3 days.
France gets pwned.
Poland receives NO help WHATSOEVER.
Poland holds out a week less than France, Poland fighting alone and France getting lots of aid.
September Campaign lasts 1 month 5 days.
Netherlands get conquered in 5 days.

Anyways I know alot of the stuff that happened in Eastern Europe.

Inquisitor_Zeal
08-21-2008, 08:12 PM
this is way to broad, i think you should narrow it down.

But did you know, apparently hitler's first idea to 'get rid of' the Jews was to actually ship them over to i think it was Madagascar? And if i remember correctly, they didnt do it because it either would cost to much or was just improbable http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

Spartas-Julius
08-21-2008, 09:01 PM
yeah massive migration is quite costly.....but I would have ratehr him do that that way the allies could have rescued them.....

lol France gets aid while Poland is actually fighting............ lol sad just sad but ironic..

Kaona
08-21-2008, 09:33 PM
The crazy leaders led their countries to defeat and destruction.
Communism arose.

vyper_981
08-22-2008, 06:08 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DAFOC:
Churchill wsant to invade Italy the attak Germany from the south by attacking Chechslovokia and the Balklands. Then Frane and Germany </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Mmmm

Churchill liked to use grammar and correct spelling as well.

Spartas-Julius
08-22-2008, 06:19 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kaona:
The crazy leaders led their countries to defeat and destruction.
Communism arose. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I just found it so sad...france is the oen getting aid??? while the ones who actually stood up were the ones in poland...... sad.

Remind me again why was France not added to the UK after WW2?

N3V30
08-22-2008, 06:23 AM
Because we like the French, and some other respectful reasons...And partly because most of the country was in ruins http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

dmans13
08-22-2008, 06:37 AM
Patton rolled over the Germans and walked into Bastogne.

Spartas-Julius
08-22-2008, 06:56 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by N3V30:
Because we like the French, </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

He that is the exact reason... you go to the US and ask about a frenchmen..."very educated cultured people great 'ALLIES'"

Ask a frenchmen about the US.....try not to be to patriotic ...you might get cuzzed at... lol

sigh ironic isn't. Like they say, in times of need you find allies in the strangest of places.

BTR74
08-22-2008, 07:01 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by vyper_981:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DAFOC:
Churchill wsant to invade Italy the attak Germany from the south by attacking Chechslovokia and the Balklands. Then Frane and Germany </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Mmmm

Churchill liked to use grammar and correct spelling as well. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Churchill liked to not be a **** too

Account_Deleted
08-22-2008, 07:11 AM
why the germany lost the war .. dam you hitler (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfkDxF2kn1I)

E_yew
08-22-2008, 07:23 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Spartas-Julius:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by N3V30:
Because we like the French, </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

He that is the exact reason... you go to the US and ask about a frenchmen..."very educated cultured people great 'ALLIES'"

Ask a frenchmen about the US.....try not to be to patriotic ...you might get cuzzed at... lol

sigh ironic isn't. Like they say, in times of need you find allies in the strangest of places. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Lol, but without them starving themselves to spite the us british you wouldn't be living in the ol' US of A, i think you can give them a bit of leway.

Spartas-Julius
08-22-2008, 09:24 AM
nah nah, I think the US has given PLENTY....twice ....maybe once but...definately there is no leway....nah dont think so.

E_yew
08-22-2008, 09:40 AM
you wouldn't have been able to help at all if it wasnt for france 1st so, yeah...

Spartas-Julius
08-22-2008, 10:00 AM
That is wy....US paid its due long ago....more than its dues....but some just dont know the meaning of gratitude....but who am I to say anything.

SubwayCH
08-22-2008, 11:23 AM
I agree, maybe this should have been on a more "specific" topic. First we will start with the Nazi/Soviet invasion of Poland on September 1st and September 17th, 1939, and then work our way up the time line from there.

The Polish held out from the 1st to the 28th of September, when Warsaw fell. After its collapse, Poland was split into 2 zones, as agreed by the Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact. Western area was controlled by Germany, while Soviets controlled the Eastern area.

Rest of you contribute onto it, and lets see if we can get the history right.

Spartas-Julius
08-22-2008, 04:04 PM
Yeah, my history durign ww2 and korean war is sketchy at best I'll be reading some today refresh my hard drive :P

Myke08
08-22-2008, 05:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SubwayCH:
I agree, maybe this should have been on a more "specific" topic. First we will start with the Nazi/Soviet invasion of Poland on September 1st and September 17th, 1939, and then work our way up the time line from there.

The Polish held out from the 1st to the 28th of September, when Warsaw fell. After its collapse, Poland was split into 2 zones, as agreed by the Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact. Western area was controlled by Germany, while Soviets controlled the Eastern area.

Rest of you contribute onto it, and lets see if we can get the history right. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wrong. September 1 - October 5

Reconning_GRSC6
08-22-2008, 06:48 PM
The French man we should given them to Germany. They were one of the reasons why Germany caused WW2 by making the punishments so hard on Germany.

Spartas-Julius
08-22-2008, 06:50 PM
heheh dont think that is correct, neverthless, hitler did said that since france was lead by cowards back then France that he would have fear them since they had one of the biggest armies in Europe. Forgot where I found it gota find the actual quote from that guy.

AlphaDelta219
08-22-2008, 06:52 PM
i won WW2 whilst fighting simultaneously in the Spanish American War, WWI, the Korean War and the Opium War.

Reconning_GRSC6
08-22-2008, 06:53 PM
Well in our class we are doing about Germany in WW 2 as well as Hitler. In the Treaty of Versailles France was making all these harsh punishments such as the payments for all the damage done and France was the highest

Myke08
08-22-2008, 07:13 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Reconning_GRSC6:
Well in our class we are doing about Germany in WW 2 as well as Hitler. In the Treaty of Versailles France was making all these harsh punishments such as the payments for all the damage done and France was the highest </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Pretty ironic huh? The League of Nations forced Germany to repay France. They started it when they were supposed to prevent it. Their currency was so low that I think one German coin was worth 6 trillionths of a pound.

dynex811
08-22-2008, 07:18 PM
WWI wasn't Germany's fault.

Spartas-Julius
08-22-2008, 07:37 PM
WW1 was nobody's fault, it was secret alliances, that nobody had any idea who was backing who. Domino effect. nevert theless having a countr repay huge amount of damage is just plain stupid if they have to pay a huge debt in a very short time their economy cant handle the pressure.

Still cant find the dam quote lol

Myke08
08-22-2008, 07:46 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by dynex811:
WWI wasn't Germany's fault. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why hello thar, you seem to be lost.

Reconning_GRSC6
08-22-2008, 07:48 PM
WW1 was so stupid nobody wanted to fight but a bunch of stupid kids had to shoot some heir and then bam 20mil people died I hope that stupid Franz Ferdinad feel bad as well s those kids

dynex811
08-22-2008, 07:51 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Myke08:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by dynex811:
WWI wasn't Germany's fault. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why hello thar, you seem to be lost. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Explain to me how Serbian separatists attacking Austria-Hungary is Germany's fault.

Reconning_GRSC6
08-22-2008, 07:54 PM
Hey dyn it was partly Germany's fault ince the Weimar republic wanted Germany to be strong and he started to mobilize and that made other countries scared

Myke08
08-22-2008, 08:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by dynex811:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Myke08:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by dynex811:
WWI wasn't Germany's fault. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why hello thar, you seem to be lost. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Explain to me how Serbian separatists attacking Austria-Hungary is Germany's fault. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Read the title of the thread.

mattack91
08-22-2008, 08:04 PM
Germany didn't start to mobilize until after Hitler rose into power, and he would've never rose if the political and economic factors were just right. Because the Allies punished Germany hard, and forced the government upon them, they were a poor people who thought they were being run by a puppet government, and that is ideal for a facist government.

dynex811
08-22-2008, 08:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Myke08:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by dynex811:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Myke08:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by dynex811:
WWI wasn't Germany's fault. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why hello thar, you seem to be lost. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Explain to me how Serbian separatists attacking Austria-Hungary is Germany's fault. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Read the title of the thread. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yeah.....
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Myke08:
Pretty ironic huh? The League of Nations forced Germany to repay France. They started it when they were supposed to prevent it. Their currency was so low that I think one German coin was worth 6 trillionths of a pound. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

mattack91
08-22-2008, 08:25 PM
Neither WWI nor WWII were all Germany's fault. WWI was caused be a great deal of things, the major things being the alliances, the patriotism, and militarism. WWII was caused by WWI

Myke08
08-22-2008, 08:31 PM
Lol man Dynex you misread it. I meant the League started it by forcing the heavy reps.

But Germany did start WW2. They invaded Poland. That started WW2.

mattack91
08-22-2008, 08:35 PM
Hitler should've never been in the position to make that order.

Reconning_GRSC6
08-22-2008, 08:35 PM
They werent the first though the Japanese was the first to start

dynex811
08-22-2008, 08:37 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Myke08:
Lol man Dynex you misread it. I meant the League started it by forcing the heavy reps. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Gotcha

Myke08
08-22-2008, 08:46 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Reconning_GRSC6:
They werent the first though the Japanese was the first to start </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Japan attacked China, but it didn't trigger the war.

dynex811
08-22-2008, 08:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Myke08:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Reconning_GRSC6:
They werent the first though the Japanese was the first to start </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Japan attacked China, but it didn't trigger the war. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
It triggered our (United States) involvement in the long run.

Reconning_GRSC6
08-22-2008, 08:55 PM
Yeah but they were the first ones to start firing and they much more worse than the nazis

mattack91
08-22-2008, 08:56 PM
In what terms??

Reconning_GRSC6
08-22-2008, 08:57 PM
Go search for Nanjing and their practices on prisoners and you would know.

Myke08
08-22-2008, 08:59 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Reconning_GRSC6:
Yeah but they were the first ones to start firing and they much more worse than the nazis </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Trust me dude. No they weren't.

Reconning_GRSC6
08-22-2008, 09:00 PM
Dude they killed way more than the Germans in WW2 if you dont believe me then search it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_of_nanjing From what I remember the Nazis didnt bury people alive, rape a women to death and have competitions on chopping peoples heads off

SubwayCH
08-22-2008, 09:37 PM
The Soviet Union took the most losses (Military), by far, of any country, and Germany took 2nd most (Military).

Germany inflicted the most casualties (military) on any country, with the USSR and USA being close for 2nd and 3rd.

Germany also inflicted the most civilian casualties, with numbers being near 36 million (12 million of which were in the Nazi concentration camps).

Japanese inflicted civilian casualties near 26.5 million (most of which was Chinese civilians).

Soviet Union took the most civilian casualties (numbers nearing 24 million), with China being second (with numbers nearing 20 million).

E_yew
08-22-2008, 10:30 PM
the cause of both world wars pretty much goes all the way back to Bismarck's 1879 (i think) constitution and when Prussia kicked Frances ****.
the German Kaiser and Bismarcks foregin policy before it effectively planted the dynomite that was WW1 all it needed was a spark. the sad thing is Bismarck knew this but was pretty much helpless to anything about it since the kaiser had kicked him out of office.

Reconning_GRSC6
08-22-2008, 11:01 PM
Sub did the Germans killed that much man I thougtt it was less

WhiteKnight77
08-22-2008, 11:17 PM
Here is some food for thought, prior to the US entry into WW2, conservatives are the isolationists and are the ones who cut military spending after WW1 so much that soldiers used trucks with plywood strapped to them painted with TANK on them for training. Soldiers didn't even have rifles to shoot. It was liberals who were appalled at our lack of preparedness. Churchill was too and made that fact known when aboard a ship with Roosevelt prior to the US getting involved off the coast of Newfoundland.

The Japanese were especially cruel. During the Rape of Nanking, men and boys were killed outright and on sight, especially over the age of 10. Women and girls were raped repeatedly in most cases then killed. The Japanese used biological warfare on the Chinese as well as preformed experiments in chemical warfare on them. For bayonet practice, prisoners of war (whom the Japanese referred to as criminals), the Japanese would draw a circle around the heart with the admonition to not stab within that circle. Prisoners would be stabbed repeatedly before finally being killed.

Glenn Frazier, a Navy gunner on an Avenger, was beaten to death by a drunken captain with a club. The officer knocked him out of the chair he was sitting in with the club after three hits to the head. He continued hitting Frazier in the head til his skull was cracked and his face and head a bloody pulp. All this because no answers were given to the drunken captain when he tried to question the non-Japanese understanding gunner. All the reports listed Frazier as "the flyer" or "the prisoner." No records of him by name being held captive or killed by the Japanese.

While the Germans tried to exterminate one type of peoples, the Japanese took no prisoners and killed practially everyone. They even implored civilians to leap to their deaths on Saipan and Okinawa.

Spartas-Julius
08-23-2008, 12:01 AM
Totally true, the US after world war one, started to isolate itself to not get involve ina naother major conflict. Hence why its planes suck when it got into ww2. But it was those same republicans who went into isolation....mostly because they are the ones who fought ww1 and is nothing to be proud of did not wanted the same bloodshed. But then eventually realise a big player cant be of world politics , if you want to play big you gota sit at the big table.

E_yew
08-23-2008, 12:17 AM
All the militaries who went through the 1st ww where serverly neglected they'd just fought the bloodiest war in history upto that point, no one thought somebody would be as stupid as to start another so soon. America couldn't have gotten involved sooner even if it had wished the public was totally against joining on either side.

Reconning_GRSC6
08-23-2008, 01:23 AM
Wow Conservatives wanted to tone down the military and Liberals wanted more I never heard of that.

Hey sub you know the Japanese killed around 23 to 26 million Chinese people but they also had killed 30 million Filipinos, Malays, Vietnamese, Cambodians, Indonesians and Burmese. They forced women to be prosistutes for the front line troops and if your a POW your chances of not living is 39 percent unlike the Nazis which is only 4 percent.
And the most disgusting thing was that a Bomber plane a B29 was crashed in Kyushu and the Captian was sent to interrogation while the survivors were to been subjected to vivisection

E_yew
08-23-2008, 01:31 AM
is that the soviet majority bringing the Nazis percentage down? cause i thought they treated the allied POW rather well, where as japan didn't.

Reconning_GRSC6
08-23-2008, 01:37 AM
Yep it was the Soviet percentage the Nazis were taught that they were unclean.

E_yew
08-23-2008, 01:45 AM
lol sorry i read that wrong :P i didn't see the "not" XD
I was thinking bloody hell that doesnt sound right!

SubwayCH
08-23-2008, 08:09 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by E_yew:
is that the soviet majority bringing the Nazis percentage down? cause i thought they treated the allied POW rather well, where as japan didn't. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Germany treated Soviet P.O.W.'s "ok".
Soviet Union treated German P.O.W.'s terribly.

Towards the end of the war (May 1945), Many German soldiers ran westward. They knew that the Americans and British would treat them much better then the Soviets.

SubwayCH
08-23-2008, 08:19 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Spartas-Julius:
Totally true, the US after world war one, started to isolate itself to not get involve ina naother major conflict. Hence why its planes suck when it got into ww2. But it was those same republicans who went into isolation....mostly because they are the ones who fought ww1 and is nothing to be proud of did not wanted the same bloodshed. But then eventually realise a big player cant be of world politics , if you want to play big you gota sit at the big table. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

American Air-power was somewhat weak before WW2 started but it was by no means terrible. They still had the P-40, P-39, P-38 (came into play in 1942), and most importantly, the B-17.

Now, a P-40(B model) was equipped with 2 .50 cals in the nose, and 4 .30 cals in the wings (2 for each wing). This, against say a 109-E (2 7.9 MG's and 2 20mm cannons), would lose in a turn fight, or TnB. A vertical fight would put the 2 on equal terms.

You have to remember that U.S. planes were not real good turners (except for the F4F, F6F, and F4U). They were extremely good vertical fighters, with the best of them being the P-38.

Jay2o2008
08-23-2008, 08:48 AM
You have to remember that U.S. planes were not real good turners

just like american cars

N3V30
08-23-2008, 08:51 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jay2o2008:
You have to remember that U.S. planes were not real good turners

just like american cars </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Lol so true...So F-ing True.

Myke08
08-23-2008, 10:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Reconning_GRSC6:
Dude they killed way more than the Germans in WW2 if you dont believe me then search it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_of_nanjing From what I remember the Nazis didnt bury people alive, rape a women to death and have competitions on chopping peoples heads off </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why are we arguing about this? Both were terrible.

dynex811
08-23-2008, 12:40 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WhiteKnight77:
Here is some food for thought, prior to the US entry into WW2, conservatives are the isolationists and are the ones who cut military spending after WW1 so much that soldiers used trucks with plywood strapped to them painted with TANK on them for training. Soldiers didn't even have rifles to shoot. It was liberals who were appalled at our lack of preparedness. Churchill was too and made that fact known when aboard a ship with Roosevelt prior to the US getting involved off the coast of Newfoundland. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Really? LMAO.

Reconning_GRSC6
08-23-2008, 07:10 PM
True Myke I wouldnt want to be a Jew in Auswitch or like my Grandparents back in China

WhiteKnight77
08-23-2008, 08:35 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by dynex811:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WhiteKnight77:
Here is some food for thought, prior to the US entry into WW2, conservatives are the isolationists and are the ones who cut military spending after WW1 so much that soldiers used trucks with plywood strapped to them painted with TANK on them for training. Soldiers didn't even have rifles to shoot. It was liberals who were appalled at our lack of preparedness. Churchill was too and made that fact known when aboard a ship with Roosevelt prior to the US getting involved off the coast of Newfoundland. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Really? LMAO. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

While history classes in high school teach you something about WW2, you have to head to the library or book store and start reading some of the stuff found on the shelves there instead of just going by what is found in textbooks.

Here is a list of the books I have read (since January):
The Eagle and the Rising Sun, The Japanese - American War 1941-1943 - Alan Schom
The Airmen and the Headhunters, A True Story of Lost Soldiers, Heroic Tribesmen and the Unlikeliest Rescue of World War II - Judith M. Heimann
Escape From the Deep, The Epic Story of a Legendary Submarine and her Courageous Crew
All Hands Down, The True Story of the Soviet Attack on the USS Scorpion - Kenneth Sewell
Tales From a Tin Can, The USS Dale from Pearl Harbor to Tokyo Bay
Sea of Thunder, Four Great Commanders and The Last Great Naval Campaign 1941-1945
The U-Boat War, The German Submarine Service and the Battle of the Atlantic 1935-45
Blind Man's Bluff, The Untold Story of American Submarine Espionage (I wonder if some of Saint's missions will be mentioned????)
Flyboys, A True Story of Courage (written by the guy who wrote Flags of Our Fathers and is about flyers in the Pacific Theater of Operations and includes George H. W. Bush being shot down and escaping from being held captive and killed by the Japanese)

These are books I have yet to read about WW2 (and the Cold War):
A Tale of Two Subs, An Untold Story of World War II, Two Sister Ships, and Extraordinary Heroism
Scorpion Down, Sunk by the Sovies, Buried by the Pentagon: The Untold Story of the USS Scorpion (also mentioned in Blind Man's Bluff)
The Ghost Mountain Boys, Their Epic March and the Terrifying Battle for New Guinea, The Forgotten War of the South Pacific
The Forgotten 500, The Untold Story of the Men Who Risked All for the Greatest Rescue Mission of World War II
Invasion, 1940 The Truth About the Battle of Britain and What Stopped Hitler
Battles Lost & Won: Great Campaigns of World War II - Hanson W. Baldwin (this book is from 1966)

I bought everyone of these books and will most likely read them all this year (I have already read 12 books). I expect to be finished with Flyboys in a couple of days and will start The Forgotten 500.