The psychology of pwnage

[Tango_2_0]

We have a no GL and no MGL rule on the wgc servers, very thoroughly displayed with pretty icons and all, so everyone should be able to read it, no matter what language they speak.

But still, as people are losing in DM, they start (ab)using these things. And that's not the worst, the hax accusations fly wild. "hax this hax that". Well. We're lucky to have very few cheaters in this game, and it really stinks to be called cheater just because you happen to be good, I tell you. I get that several times per day. And I'm sick of hearing that and seeing those nades fly.

Worst are the dudes who look at the stats and say "I don't believe that, you haxed!". Or, at the end game when they realize they won't win pull an MGL. I won't name anyone. Those of you who play a lot know who they are. And I'm REALLY tired of hearing stuff like that and seeing the nades fly by.

But that seems to be it, the psychology of pwnage: It's easier to break house rules and/or call others cheaters than to accept that you need more practice and that others actually are better than you, apparently.

[Tango_2_0]

We have a no GL and no MGL rule on the wgc servers, very thoroughly displayed with pretty icons and all, so everyone should be able to read it, no matter what language they speak.

But still, as people are losing in DM, they start (ab)using these things. And that's not the worst, the hax accusations fly wild. "hax this hax that". Well. We're lucky to have very few cheaters in this game, and it really stinks to be called cheater just because you happen to be good, I tell you. I get that several times per day. And I'm sick of hearing that and seeing those nades fly.

Worst are the dudes who look at the stats and say "I don't believe that, you haxed!". Or, at the end game when they realize they won't win pull an MGL. I won't name anyone. Those of you who play a lot know who they are. And I'm REALLY tired of hearing stuff like that and seeing the nades fly by.

But that seems to be it, the psychology of pwnage: It's easier to break house rules and/or call others cheaters than to accept that you need more practice and that others actually are better than you, apparently.

[hondekop888]

Come over to the other side and play player-matches. Nobody uses the MGL.
I don't care abouth the GL on most maps. I have used it myself a lot. I don't understand why you would ban the GL and not the as50. They are both to easy to use and I'm sure the as50 is easier. I'm not a sniper but have no problem hitting 5:1 ratio's with the as50. Try that with the GL....

[Retnil]

Just use PB to enforce a server banlist. Soon you will only have quality players able to join. All the jokers will get auto kicked.

[Tango_2_0]

We do use ban lists, however I don't kick/ban jerks who accuse others of cheating. The best medicine against those guys is just meet their accusations with argumentation, and let them make asses out of themselves.

[hondekop888]

I get accused of cheating daily. People just don't know how to use the most important thing of all: COVER!!!! Most people also don't realise how important it is to upgrade your rifles and getting to know the maps.

[TAW_OKay]

Aaaah... I am yet to be good enough to be accused of cheating.
But when that time comes I will rejoice http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.

[matty101yttam]

i can't play any more unless i host a server since i get banned from other ppls servers. Even when hosting unless i give the players at least a 5 kill lead(minimum),they all leave. I have to resort to not using sights and firing every second shot over their shoulder just to make them feel like they're beating someone whos fighting back thats why i just play with the map editor now.

[Pacient.cz]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by hondekop888:
Come over to the other side and play player-matches. Nobody uses the MGL..... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I wish it would be truth. We run player matches dedicated server with rules "No GL/MGL" (popup every minute by automessage) and sometime is disaster to even enter our server, becuase I cant play but only warn and try kick out (or ban if ned it) those who break rules.
We use Extender, but sometime it doesnt work, so I really cant wait to patch which hopefully make admins tools for server much better. Or could someone advice us (and many others as well) how to set up PB web toll for FC-2 ?
If you ( Rentil, M-Veg and few other with good knowledge http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif) can advice us how to set it up, I will be very gratefull to you http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif

[brimlad]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Pacient.cz:
Or could someone advice us (and many others as well) how to set up PB web toll for FC-2 ?
If you ( Rentil, M-Veg and few other with good knowledge http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif) can advice us how to set it up, I will be very gratefull to you http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
there was a thread a while back that had the webrcon details and we used to some success when we had a clan server running:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">first step create pbsv.cfg

;Auto Generated by PunkBuster Server
; Some of the following settings may not apply,
; consult manuals at evenbalance.com for full documentation
; save here &gt; C:\Program Files\Ubisoft\Far Cry 2\bin\pb
;
pb_sv_MsgPrefix PunkBuster Server" //[PB Message Prefix (default=^3PunkBuster

Client)]
pb_sv_MaxDlRate 4 //[KB/sec requested per file (default=4)]
pb_sv_MaxConDls 6 //[Concurrent downloads (default=1)]
pb_sv_LogSync 0 //[0=No, 1=Yes (default=0)]
pb_sv_SsFloor 1 //[Low screenshot filename serial #]
pb_sv_SsCeiling 10000 //[High screenshot filename serial #]
pb_sv_SsCmd //[Filename of system command to run after screenshots]
pb_sv_SsWidth 1350 //[Requested pixel width of remote screenshots]
pb_sv_SsHeight 672 //[Requested pixel height of remote screenshots]
pb_sv_SsXpct 50 //[Percentage across screen for remote screenshots]
pb_sv_SsYpct 50 //[Percentage down screen for remote screenshots]
pb_sv_SsSrate 2 //[Sample Rate for remote screenshots]
pb_sv_SsDelay 0 //[Maximum delay client waits before capturing screenshot]
pb_sv_SsPath //[Path where remote screenshots are saved]
pb_sv_AutoSsFrom 300 //[Min # of seconds to wait before requesting next ss]
pb_sv_AutoSsTo 1200 //[Max # of seconds to wait before requesting next ss]
pb_sv_AutoSs 1 //[0=No, 1=Yes (default=0)]
pb_sv_ssLogging 0 //[1=Reg. Log, 2=SS Log, 3=Both, 0=Neither]
pb_sv_ssTimeout 0 //[Seconds]
pb_sv_Sleep 60 //[# of Milliseconds (default=60)]
pb_sv_HttpPort 500 //[Port #]
pb_sv_HttpAddr x.x.x.x //[External IP Address]
pb_sv_HttpRefresh 30 //[Seconds]
pb_sv_HttpKey blam//[Key - i.e. password]
pb_sv_HttpMaps //[Map list (separate by spaces)]
pb_sv_AutoUpdBan 1 //[0=No, 1=Yes (default=0)]
pb_sv_HttpMapsPath //[Path where maps are loaded from in WebTool]
pb_sv_HttpColText1 000000" //[Text Color #1 in WebTool (default=FFFFFF)]
pb_sv_HttpColText2 0000FF" //[Text Color #2 in WebTool (default=0000FF)]
pb_sv_HttpColBack1 CFCFCF" //[Background Color #1 in WebTool (default=000000)]
pb_sv_HttpColBack2 808080" //[Background Color #2 in WebTool (default=808080)]
pb_sv_HttpColLine1 009EEA" //[Line Color #1 in WebTool (default=FF0000)]
pb_sv_HttpColLine2 51A2A2" //[Line Color #2 in WebTool (default=0000FF)]
pb_sv_HttpColMsg FF0000" //[Message Color in WebTool (default=FF0000)]
pb_sv_HttpShowGuid 1 //[0=No, 1=Yes (default=0)]
pb_sv_Restrictions 1 //[0=No, 1=Yes (default=1)]
pb_sv_EmptyName 0 //[0=No, 1=Yes (default=0)]
pb_sv_LogFloor 1 //[Low log filename serial #]
pb_sv_LanMask //[IP Address Mask for LAN Players (default=)]
pb_sv_UpdateGrace 2400 //[Seconds to wait before Update Failure kick]
pb_sv_NoGuidGrace 1 //[Seconds to wait before No GUID kick]
pb_sv_AliasFn pbalias.dat" //[Filename (default="pbalias.dat")]
pb_sv_AliasAutoLoad 1 //[0=No, 1=Yes (default=0)]
pb_sv_AliasMax 10 //[Max # of Aliases to track for each PB GUID]
pb_sv_AliasMaxEnforce 0 //[0=No, 1=Yes (default=0)]

;Badname List - pb_sv_badname [grace_period_secs] [disallowed text]

;Cvar Range List - pb_sv_cvar [cvar_name] [type] [value(s)]
pb_sv_cvarempty

;PB UCON Settings / Lists
pb_sv_usessionlimit 8
pb_sv_ucontimeout 360
pb_sv_uconemptyg


the only 2 fields that need to be edited are the
pb_sv_HttpAddr //[External IP Address]
pb_sv_HttpKey //[Key - i.e. password]

the pbsv.cfg file needs to be saved in the pb folder inside the fc2 install
if you run the dedi from home and are displaying webrcon on a another pc on your home newtwork then you need to browse via the private internal address (192.168.x.x) rather than the external address </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

hope that helps

cheers http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[FreaQo_22]

My clan =NpS= gets accused of cheating 24/7, on our servers but also on other people's servers. We get banned on regular basis so all we can do is play on our own. We even got called cheaters when we were having a scrim against another clan (not calling names). honestly at first it made me feel pro but now it's just getting annoying. I'd rather hear people tell me that I'm good instead of telling me I cheat. Like it's a bannable offense to be better than someone.

[SeaFireLIV]

Online is overrated.

The things that online gamers don`t tell you about Online pitfalls...

1. Cheaters.
2. Time wasters.
3. Players who can`t accept that they are not Ace when facing other Humans.

In my experience you`ll get a good game 1 out of every 5-6 times you play. the rest will be ruined by the above. This ratio of bad games seems related to the technicality of the game. If it`s an easy FPS then expect a lot of trouble. I have just given up playing Left4Dead forever because I got sick of the team-killers (and delay team killers which are even worse) and the time wasted.

There`s a reason why I only play ONE game online. That is IL2 a simulation of aerial combat. Sims tend to have less childishness, especially if you stick to a squad, but the difficulty of learning to fly along with the difficulty of just shooting a friend puts off the time wasters. Anything else I play is Offline because it`s far more enoyable to play against dodgy AI than an annoying player who comes Online to quit/cheat/teamkill because he can`t hack fair gameplay.

[rcole_sooner]

FC2 MP is fun, most due to the effort of the server admins. They put in a lot of time and effort to make the play a rewarding experience.

Back to the subject ...

There are several players that always seem to get 50+ kills almost every match and can sometime reach and/or exceed 100 kills. Even very experienced players and server admins seem to think something is fishy with what is going on with these players some of the time. I think it is probably a combination of skill and luck (luck = good spawns and "winning end of lag").

[kmcrobb]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Tango_2_0:
The best medicine against those guys is just meet their accusations with argumentation </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Here's my argumentation:

lol, thx.

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[matty101yttam]

50-100 kills in deathmatch would be suspect since its so chaotic. In team deathmatch however good players can read a game very easily.
Things like good sound cards and headphones give easy tracking of anyone close by,watching where your teammates go and keeping an eye on the kills to see if they die.
As seafire said simple games do contain more idiot players, the best game i ever played online was mechwarrior4/mercs. The community was very competitive but also very respectful to each other to the point where tactics that were allowed in a world class league where not used out of respect to the other teams.
Although it wasn't implemented for this exact purpose ubi still intentionally aimed for this type of player base, since they figure if idiots can play anyone can play = more $.

[Pacient.cz]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by brimlad:
there was a thread a while back that had the webrcon details and we used to some success when we had a clan server running:
hope that helps
cheers http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
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Thanks a lot m8, much appreciated http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif