A direct challange to UBI! - possible solution

[Mysticaly]

Apparently, this is not going anywhere, These forums are in a state that is beyond rescue, at least it seems so to me.

This got me thinking, "what can I do to help solve the situation?"�
Well, I got an idea, I doubt it will help, but it's a suggestion as an solution to end this situation that is unacceptable! There have been suggestions to shutting down the forums, there have been suggestions that we the users simply leaves the forums, but nether one solves anything in my book.

To end all these discussions, the flaming and the locking of posts/threads we need to look for an permanent solution to the problem we see here on these forums today..

Here are my suggestions

We the community appoints a few reps of the PC community that will have an open session with an UBI rep, whereas the appointed community reps get to ask the UBI rep a few questions, and the UBI rep answer those questions he are able to answer.. Finally this session will be posted on these forums as a sticky.

Also, I strongly suggest that we, in the pc community get to select a forum Admin, and that ColinCJ steps back as an Admin, or is in the background, It's we who uses these forums isn't it? Why shouldn't we have the right to select a administrator for the forums? At least it's worth trying out.

I seriously do not see the fans of RSV calming down, and be satisfied without some interaction made by UBI, so this is actually me challenging UBI, and if UBI chooses to ignore this challenge they will simply prove everyone flaming in these forums right! I as a UBI fan for many years hope that you UBI indeed accepts the challenge and have a sit down with a few representatives of the PC community!. Are you up for it UBI ?

I think it's fair to that we can expect an answer to this request by Wednesday 11'th of April, If there's no answer by then we the community will simply take it as you are still ignoring us, and I personally will take SamSpeeds statement that there is a patch in progress as bogus.


I don't know if anything will come out of this at all, I'm not even sure if it's such a good suggestion, but at least I've given it a try, simply because I for one do not want the state the forums are in now, and simply because it's about time we do get some information!.


If this would turn out to be realistic, we could maby have a thread where we could post suggestions to what the representatives of the PC community would ask.

Of-course, feel free to bash my suggestion, or come up with a better one, I would be happy to see anything that would work out.

[Mysticaly]

Apparently, this is not going anywhere, These forums are in a state that is beyond rescue, at least it seems so to me.

This got me thinking, "what can I do to help solve the situation?"�
Well, I got an idea, I doubt it will help, but it's a suggestion as an solution to end this situation that is unacceptable! There have been suggestions to shutting down the forums, there have been suggestions that we the users simply leaves the forums, but nether one solves anything in my book.

To end all these discussions, the flaming and the locking of posts/threads we need to look for an permanent solution to the problem we see here on these forums today..

Here are my suggestions

We the community appoints a few reps of the PC community that will have an open session with an UBI rep, whereas the appointed community reps get to ask the UBI rep a few questions, and the UBI rep answer those questions he are able to answer.. Finally this session will be posted on these forums as a sticky.

Also, I strongly suggest that we, in the pc community get to select a forum Admin, and that ColinCJ steps back as an Admin, or is in the background, It's we who uses these forums isn't it? Why shouldn't we have the right to select a administrator for the forums? At least it's worth trying out.

I seriously do not see the fans of RSV calming down, and be satisfied without some interaction made by UBI, so this is actually me challenging UBI, and if UBI chooses to ignore this challenge they will simply prove everyone flaming in these forums right! I as a UBI fan for many years hope that you UBI indeed accepts the challenge and have a sit down with a few representatives of the PC community!. Are you up for it UBI ?

I think it's fair to that we can expect an answer to this request by Wednesday 11'th of April, If there's no answer by then we the community will simply take it as you are still ignoring us, and I personally will take SamSpeeds statement that there is a patch in progress as bogus.


I don't know if anything will come out of this at all, I'm not even sure if it's such a good suggestion, but at least I've given it a try, simply because I for one do not want the state the forums are in now, and simply because it's about time we do get some information!.


If this would turn out to be realistic, we could maby have a thread where we could post suggestions to what the representatives of the PC community would ask.

Of-course, feel free to bash my suggestion, or come up with a better one, I would be happy to see anything that would work out.

[bigrexxx]

I agree. A small community elected committee meeting with a UBI rep, preferably more than one, would really calm this forum down considerably, provided they answer our questions, not just try to snowball them. This committee should comprise of forum members that are usually middle of the road type people, as some of us that have repeatedly voiced our opinions, one way or other, may be too passionate for this type of meeting.
With that said, the ball is in UBI's court, now just have to wait if it gets returned.

Good Post.


Bigrex

[JACKDANIEL_o7]

It's a great idea.
And, in my opinion, more than a fair offer.

We'll see huh?

[lmimmfn]

in all seriousness guys like you....and me... are obviously not welcome here. Its time to move on, ive already had my head eaten off in my first question to a mod a week after i joined here nuff!!!!!!

[Peanut_Nomad]

Nice post.

What is the R6 Council?

Was there a name given to the other little group that was in the beginning stages of creation when Woosy was still around that was eventually shot down?

The idea is sound and I applaud your effort, but I believe all would agree that a specific group of appointed community members should in no way, shape, or form, be necessary to yield a response to any basic question regarding UBI's position of the day. Period. Pull out your Webster dictionary and look up the term; "forum". Hell, I'll save you the time. Definitions "B" and "C" should clear things up.

(b) a public meeting place for open discussion (c) a medium (as a newspaper or online service) of open discussion or expression of ideas


UBI.COM > FORUMS > RAINBOW SIX > VEGAS PC


There should be sirens blaring at this point, people.


As I said, it's a nice post, and I applaud your effort, but if there were people willing to provide answers, there would be answers. It's that simple.

[xxkangolxx]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">What is the R6 Council? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


My thoughts exactly.

[Want2Snipe]

you appoint 2,3, 4 or even 5 people, those people go talk to UBI reps and they get feed the same lies, they comeback and feed us those lies and in the end, we're going to be wanting to strangle the appointed PC community members and Not UBI... I don't agree with that suggestion.

Being said that, I do believe that it was, at least, a sound suggestion.

I like Peanut_Nomad's solution better... we are all here to listen to them and we each are capable of making our own opinion.

[JACKDANIEL_o7]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by xxkangolxx:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">What is the R6 Council? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


My thoughts exactly. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

WHATTA YA KNOW?

Kangol chimes in with ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to add!
Way to go pal! Thanks for all of the input, and your continued efforts to <STRIKE>help us, the community, make this game better</STRIKE> continue to fail to hide the fact that you have a hard-on for UBI

[stewman1234]

is their going to be free snacks at this meeting?

[Peanut_Nomad]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Kangol chimes in with ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to add! Way to go pal! Thanks for all of the input, and your continued efforts to help us, the community, make this game better continue to fail to hide the fact that you have a hard-on for UBI </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Will you be portraying the role of the pot or the kettle today, Mr. Black?


For those of you who didn't find the humorous reference in the above statement, Jack "chimed" in with absolutely nothing to add. Sorry, I found it funny.

[RLCSeMPeRFi]

I think he was referring to the fact that this has all been tried before. Anybody who has been on this forum more than 30 days knows it's the same **** just a different game. The 'Rainbow Six Council' turned out to be nothing but a placebo for UBI to bide time. If it happens here again it will be the same thing.

[Peanut_Nomad]

I know, buddy. It just made me chuckle is all. Actually, if there is a "new" group of community members formed, the designation should certainly be "The Placebos".

[bishopazrael]

I think this is a good first effort, but what REALLY needs to happen is that the VP or even the Pres of customer relations needs to create himself an account, come in here, introduce himself and then answer the questions put to him here in the forum. He can have his own little "stickie thread" or whatever, but I agree with one of the above posters.... the council was just a way to get us off ubi's back. And inevitably, there will be anger and resentment towards any of us who pose to represent the lot of us. It would happen sooner or later and all they'd be left standing with is the excuse ..."you guys elected me to it!"

Sorry, I think Ubi just needs to come here and hold an open chat room with someone to finally squash things once and for all.

In the end, for a customer relations FUBAR like this, the only thing you can do is send in the sacraficial goat and hope the natives leave the skull unmolested in the end. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[JACKDANIEL_o7]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Peanut_Nomad:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Kangol chimes in with ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to add! Way to go pal! Thanks for all of the input, and your continued efforts to help us, the community, make this game better continue to fail to hide the fact that you have a hard-on for UBI </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Will you be portraying the role of the pot or the kettle today, Mr. Black?


For those of you who didn't find the humorous reference in the above statement, Jack "chimed" in with absolutely nothing to add. Sorry, I found it funny. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

EDIT:

nevermind...these aren't the games I like to play

[FI_FlimFlam]

I applaud the effort of the idea, however, I do not think it will work.

This idea, as was aluded to earlier, was already implemented with the R6 Council that nominated by the community and was supposed to be a representative sampling of said community. However their input was nearly completely ignored. And the several of the members of council appear to be completely disenfranchised from the series as a result. UBI managed to alienate a passionate and very supportive segment of the community with that move.

Secondly, what questions is this group going to ask that haven't already been asked or addressed in Razz's ealier thread asking for questions from the community? I can pretty much guarantee that virtually all the answers will be the same as that thread or "I don't have an answer" said a dozen or so different ways.

Unfortunately I don't have a solution that is acceptable to UBI. My solution is quite simple but for some reason the UBI "wall of silence" is doing it's damage. Talk to us and be honest with us. If there is a patch planned but work won't be started on it until next month just come out and level with us. If there is no patch just come out and level with us. Stop hiding behind the wall of silence and talk openly and honestly with the community. That is the real solution. Sure you are not going to make some people happy, but you know what, I think at this point you (UBI) really don't have anything to lose. I mean it's not like you can actually loose more more faith from the fans at this point....

[JACKDANIEL_o7]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FI_FlimFlam:

Unfortunately I don't have a solution that is acceptable to UBI. My solution is quite simple but for some reason the UBI "wall of silence" is doing it's damage. Talk to us and be honest with us. If there is a patch planned but work won't be started on it until next month just come out and level with us. If there is no patch just come out and level with us. Stop hiding behind the wall of silence and talk openly and honestly with the community. That is the real solution. Sure you are not going to make some people happy, but you know what, I think at this point you (UBI) really don't have anything to lose. I mean it's not like you can actually loose more more faith from the fans at this point.... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

now THAT is a good quote

[Peanut_Nomad]

Actually there, hotshot, the analogy was used correctly. The post fit, regardless of previous posts in this or any other topic. Argue if you wish, I won't comment anymore, but hey, thanks for the imput and the unnecessary bash on Kangol. That was certainly warranted and on topic.

EDIT: Aww, you deleted your attacks on Kangol and his buddies. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

[bishopazrael]

You know that IS a good point.

I really don't get why it is that Ubi is doing this. It makes me think of Brewsters Millions. How he had to loose it all on purpouse. I mean, how hard can it really be to be the CEO, to look at the forums every once ina while and get a pulse of what's going on.

I mean for Christ's sake here, we're practically begging them to just talk to us and tell us what's up. Jesus god in heaven (happy easter all!) all they need to do is tell us the truth and we'd be happy, even if it was bad news. But thats just the problem isn't it?

Why's that bishop?

Because, it IS bad news and that would make the stock PLUMMET! Ubi stock would drop through the floor if investors knew what was going on at Ubi.

Lets sum it up as if I'm the CEO... + sign for positive.. - for negative.

+ we churn out more titles every fiscal year than any other developer
- our programmers have this lazy tendacy... once they get skins on a model.. they just... stop.
- We're too "cost effective" conscience to NOT port games from the 360 to the PC... that means it'd cost us ... "gasp" MORE money!
- We see other game houses getting away with treating their customers like they don't exist.... EA's our role model
+ Our quality control... done by our beta testers. Who pay us $60 to beta test our games and then will run straight to our forums to complain about said bugs. Can you believe it? they PAY US!!!! Hell.. sometimes they even go off and fix it for us.. FOR FREE!

You guys get the idea.... stock would drop and EA.. unh.. sorry.. I meant Ubi will have to go through restructuring from the top down.

Honestly what needs to happen is that INVESTORS need to boot out the board. All of them. Fire everyone from the top down. CEO first because he doesn't know whats going on in his own house. and if he does.. just goes to show you I'm right. Ubi doesn't care. Long as he can buy another mercedes next month.

Fire all the developers. Starting with Goliath. I'm sure he's a nice guy and all... but he's forgotten what it's like to be hungry. I think he needs to fight to keep his job. There are people out here in the world that would sell a testicle to have his job and get paid what he gets paid. I'm not going to drop his numbers, but I think we all know goliath isnt the kid he used to be, and he isn't exactly starving right now. Want to keep your job? Prove you can do it. there are hundreds of thousands of people out here who can do what he does, and are willing to do a better job for the same or even less money. I think every time that a new game goes into production, you should hold tryouts for people.. let them audition for why they should be allowed to work on this new game.

Ubi has forgotten what it's like to be hungry. Now they're about to get eaten by EA. Hope you like being dinner.

[Mysticaly]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">bishopazrael </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
extremely well put!

You just said it all.

[xxkangolxx]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">EDIT: Aww, you deleted your attacks on Kangol and his buddies. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Doh I missed it =(

Ah well, off to work. Have fun guys! See ya in the morning. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

[athenian]

I believe this was already tried not only with the R6 Council but also with some Splinter Cell fans because of the state that Double Agent was/is in. The meeting took place but it basically exactly what was already said on the forums, just saying the same things in a bunch of different ways.

In theory it is a great idea, but in reality it won't change anything. It's already been tried with UBI and absolutely nothing came of it. Only thing it did do was settle the community down for about a week.

[SODsniper2114]

For those of you who haven't read it over at the OpPython site, I did get a response from UBI with regards to my BBB complaint:


UBI's Response;
Ubisoft acknowledges that SODsniper's Desired Resolution is feasible and the company will investigate possible ways to address the situation. Ubisoft Online Community Directors are aware of Mr. SODsniper's complaints and will evaluate the roles and responsibilities of the Ubisoft Community Managers as well as the outside Volunteer Moderators with the goal of facilitating communication and improving any problem areas regarding the flow of information to and from community members.

Now, for those of you who are veterans of this forum and this community, you will recognize this verbage as common coming from UBI. Nothing really new here, nothing binding and nothing concrete. It is also the same kind of verbage that the Deutsch PC Community got from UBI after their boycott came up.

Shallow platitudes and hollow promises..

This being the case, I responded to the BBB that I did NOT accept UBI's response with the following explanation:

I will conditionally accept UBI Soft Entertainment's response.
I would request the UBI Soft Entertainment lift the ban that they have imposed against me so that I may be in a better position to monitor their actions within the PC Community forums and insure their compliance with their stated intentions.
I pledge to UBI Soft Entertainment that I will cease to be disruptive and to work with UBI to help them achieve their stated goals. In return, UBI pledges to be fair and impartial and apply their forums rules fairly to all of the PC Community.
Finally, I would like UBI Soft Entertainment and a community-selected group to meet in 90 days to revisit this issue and address any deficiencies that might still be in place.


Now, that last paragraph might smack of shades of the R6-Council, just as Myst's suggestion might smack of same ol same ol..

But I think it can work for the following reason..

Regardless of the nominations, the R6Council was beholded to UBI. UBI created the group. The group outlined by Myst would be created BY the PC Community and FOR the PC Community. It would exist solely for the purposes of representing the PC Community to UBI, rather than representing UBI to the PC Community.

Another argument is that this group would not have any teeth.

My response to that would be that it COULD have teeth.

I propose that the entire PC Community approach UBI with a deal..

That those of us who have filed BBB Complaints will agree to suspend those complaints for a period of 90 days. In return, UBI agrees to let the PC Community group form it's OWN Council completely of it's own volition without any intereference, input or coercion from UBI. UBI would have to further agree to accept this council AS IS and work WITH the council by giving them good faith intel that the council can, in turn, pass on to the Community they serve. UBI further agrees to implement the changes that they have proposed in their BBB response, as stated above. UBI would also have agree to accept the PC Community's nominations for several new UBI Moderators to replace the current batch of Moderators. These community chosen moderators would be for the VEGAS PC Forum only. Finally, all bans from this Forum would be rescinded and everyone, INCLUDING UBI, would be given a TRUE Clean Slate. The PC Community can police it's own, if we have a good reason to do so.

At the end of the 90 grace period, the PC Community can decide whether or not UBI has lived up to it's end of the deal. If the Community decides that UBI has made the positive changes outlined, then those who have filed BBB Complaints can permenantly rescind their complaints.

Now, of course, this isn't going to be an easy sell... Hard feelings run deep and there is a lot of anger and hatred to overcome. But, if someone like me and Operator.SF can be at each other's throats one day and then sittin' down over a few beers the next day, then surely UBI can overcome it's apparent disdain for the PC Community. And those who have developed some real anger towards UBI for past should be able to look towards the future and see that a reconciliation is in EVERYONE's best interests.

That's my proposal..

All of this, of course, assumes that UBI cares about the PC Community and wants to see things resolved. If it is UBI's plan to totally divest itself from the PC market, then all of these suggestions are, of course, moot.

But, if UBI is being sincere in it's claims that it wants to continue in the PC market, then my suggestion might be a way to go.


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[SODsniper2114]

Also, just let me add.

If it will make it easier for UBI to accept this deal, with regards to the PC Community formed council, I will take a Sherman.



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[Syrfer]

This question is for Sniper.

Best case scenario: What role do you see yourself playing when the dust settles?

[DXS_MacGyver]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Syrfer:
This question is for Sniper.

Best case scenario: What role do you see yourself when the dust settles? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think I know the answer to this one:

Staring in a Star Trek movie sponsored by UBI. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

P.S.: If you don't get it, think of it as an inside joke.

[SODsniper2114]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Syrfer:
This question is for Sniper.

Best case scenario: What role do you see yourself when the dust settles? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Republican Convention, 1884.
A supporter wanted to nominate William Tecumseh Sherman for President.
Sherman stated unequivocally "If nominated, I will not run. If elected, I will not serve"


I see myself as the old gray buzzard who circles overhead and keeps an eye on things to insure that UBI operates in good faith.

At the first sign of trouble, I will swoop down..... and crash headfirst into a fencepost... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Seriously, I don't envision myself being part of the Council. I readily admit that I am too much of a polarizing figure for BOTH groups. I will simply lend a hand when asked and lend my opinion whether asked or not. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


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[SODsniper2114]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DXS_MacGyver:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Syrfer:
This question is for Sniper.

Best case scenario: What role do you see yourself when the dust settles? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think I know the answer to this one:

Staring in a Star Trek movie sponsored by UBI. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

P.S.: If you don't get it, think of it as an inside joke. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


CUT SCENE

-SODsniper on planet surface-

SODsniper: (Frantic)SCOTTY!!! BEAM ME UP, SCOTTY!!!!

CUT SCENE

-Scotty in transporter room-

Scotty: I'M given' her all she's got, Captn! She just des nut have da power!! She's waitin' for da UBI patch, sar!!!! Wait.. It's downloading now!! There!!! Patch applied, Capt'n. Beamin' ya up now, sar...

VIEW

Transporter platform.

SODsniper materializes as the Energizer Bunny.

Scotty: (Looking Dismayed) Uh...Sar... I think the patch screwed up more than it fixed..


End Music

[DXS_MacGyver]

Hmm, that scenario sounds awfully familiar....

[Syrfer]

It would be so much easier if UBI would just change their policy on public communications.

Honestly I don't understand how they could let this situation get so far as to allow Osama Bin Sniper to terrorize their boards with his demands and place himself in the position of martyr.

An entire community spoke up about all the things wrong here. But those of us with normal 'OFF' switches put two and two together and tried to deal with it. Instead some nut job sees it as a crusade and now the rest of us have to contend with him and his cronies everytime we come here.

It's not fair to the rest of us.

[SODsniper2114]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Syrfer:
It would be so much easier if UBI would just change their policy on public communications.

Honestly I don't understand how they could let this situation get so far as to allow Osama Bin Sniper to terrorize their boards with his demands and place himself in the position of martyr.

An entire community spoke up about all the things wrong here. But those of us with normal 'OFF' switches put two and two together and tried to deal with it. Instead some nut job sees it as a crusade and now the rest of us have to contend with him and his cronies everytime we come here.

It's not fair to the rest of us. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why must you be such a *******s about things. You ask a question and I answer. You don't like the answer (probably because it was a sincere one and gave you no ammunition to attack me) so you start in with gross and perverted personal attacks.

I have done nothing that warrants being compared to a terrorist mastermind that has brutally murdered thousands of innocent people. Such a comparison is simply downright rude.

You accused me before about not being able to let things go.

Apparently, it is you who has a problem letting things go.

As far as having to contend with me everytime you come here, the solution to that problem is simple... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif


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[Syrfer]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SODsniper2114:
I have done nothing that warrants being compared to a terrorist mastermind that has brutally murdered thousands of innocent people. Such a comparison is simply downright rude.

You accused me before about not being able to let things go.

Apparently, it is you who has a problem letting things go.

As far as having to contend with me everytime you come here, the solution to that problem is simple... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


You've taken our message board hostage in exchange for your demands.

I would let it go but around every corner is another post from you. You've been asked to leave. Numerous times. Since you can't do that like a grown up I'm returning the favor.

Like others have said, I agree with you on the point that UBIsoft has treated it's customers poorly. I'm just sick of you to put it quite bluntly.

Every time someone reprimands on your tactics your reply is 'You're right... I shouldn't behave that way because it causes xyz problems. But consider this....' and is quickly followed the whatever justification you feel can be applied to your antics.

You're an unwanted, unnecessary and unfair hassle on this board for a lot of other users.

You want to be some sort of spokes person and martyr for the PC Community? Well, I don't want you speaking for me. Not on this board or anywhere else.

Plain and simple.

So for every post where you feel the need to speak on everyone's behalf like you're the only voice that matters here..... I offer my own.

If you don't like it you know what to do. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Syrfer]

That's the problem I have with you Sniper.

Rather than participate on a board along with everyone else I get the sense that you would rather dominate the board and everyone on it.

Except of course for those that think exactly like you.

I don't like a bully. Even one who thinks he's doing me and the whole world a favor.

[Blud_E_Gutz]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Syrfer:

Honestly I don't understand how they could let this situation get so far as to allow... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Post reported--violates TOS

" Harass, threaten, embarrass, or stalk or cause distress, unwanted attention or discomfort to another Member or Guest.
Post content or send Communications of any form impugning someone's race, sexual orientation, religion, national origin, political beliefs, or ethnic heritage.
Transmit or facilitate distribution of content or Communications that are harmful, abusive, racially or ethnically offensive, vulgar, sexually explicit, obscene, defamatory, infringing, invasive of personal privacy or publicity rights, or in a reasonable person's view, objectionable. "

[Syrfer]

Exception = SOD Sniper is no longer a member of this board.

But thanks for the assistance.

[SODsniper2114]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Syrfer:
That's the problem I have with you Sniper.

Rather than participate on a board along with everyone else I get the sense that you would rather dominate the board and everyone on it.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

And, of course, you base that on my clear and concise statement that I will not serve if nominated or elected, right?? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif



<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Syrfer:
Except of course for those that think exactly like you.

I don't like a bully. Even one who thinks he's doing me and the whole world a favor. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Face it, Syrfer.. You just want to hate. No rhyme, no reason. You just want to hate me..

And it is JUST that type of attitude that UBI has adopted towards the PC Community..

It is JUST that type of attitude that is blocking real change in this group..

Maybe you might want to think about being part of the solution instead of being part of the problem.

Just a thought for you to consider.


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[SODsniper2114]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Syrfer:
Exception = SOD Sniper is no longer a member of this board.

But thanks for the assistance. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm not???

Says who???


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[Syrfer]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">And, of course, you base that on my clear and concise statement that I will not serve if nominated </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You've been banned multiple times. You are no longer welcome.

And my post had nothing to do with your statement about not serving. It had everything to do with your involvement and attempts to commandeer this board and the people in it.

My points have been clear all along. Twist them around if it suites you. Nothing I can do about that.

The solution to the problems around here are obvious have been stated many times over. There is no purpose for you here.

Once again, you are not the elected spokesperson for our community.

[SODsniper2114]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Syrfer:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">And, of course, you base that on my clear and concise statement that I will not serve if nominated </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You've been banned multiple times. You are no longer welcome..... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

.... by you..

Well, I can live with that.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Syrfer:
And my post had nothing to do with your statement about not serving. It had everything to do with your involvement and attempts to commandeer this board and the people in it.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yea, why let facts stand in the way of your hatred... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Syrfer:
My points have been clear all along. Twist them around if it suites you. Nothing I can do about that.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I am meerly re-stating what you yourself have said... If you don't like the words, I am sorry, but they are YOUR words...

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Syrfer:
The solution to the problems around here are obvious have been stated many times over. There is no purpose for you here.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes the problems are obvious.. But until people like me (and all the others who worked like hell to make good servers and who worked like hell to put up support sites and who worked like hell to put up consumer advocacy sites) started getting up in UBI's face and telling UBI that they are not going to stand for it, those problems went on and on and on.. And people like you just whined and complained about the problem and THEN whined and complained about those who are doing something ABOUT the problem...


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Syrfer:
Once again, you are not the elected spokesperson for our community. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, someone had to step up to the task. Don't begrudge people having the courage that you lack..

I am thru with. You take a positive thread and run it into the ground. Maybe that was your intent, to get this thread locked or deleted. I don't know and I don't care.

Take your petty shots.. Have the last word if that's what it takes to make you feel better about yourself. You are obviously beyond reason..


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[SteveLord8]

You think you're a martyr...sacrificing your time and effort and being put on the cross(banned several times) for everyone's sins.

I don't hate, I dislike you, your presence and your attempt to rally trolls in your apparant holy war in the manner which you have done.

[nbs.kma]

Syrfer, it's posts that include assanine comments like YOURS that down these forums.

SOD Sniper IS a member of these forums and this community. Just because you don't agree with the way Sniper has handled himself, doesn't make you right.

As for the rest of the SOD Sniper "Haters", wake up and smell the bullsh!t that UBi leaves under your pillow, or keep being patient lmao.

IF they release a patch anytime soon, you will only have Sniper and his BBB complaint, and those who followed suit, to thank.

IF they don't, you can all line up and pull your heads out of their @SS one at a time.



Edit: Steve, my little princess, your the only troll around here.

[Operator.SF]

Well..

I remember the "council". It did very little good. But seriously, what other options do we have here?
I for one, am open to any communication at all from Ubi.
Suggestions were made by members of the council, as complied by the community. Ubi never acted upon them. What would make this time different? The BBB complaints. they weren't in the mix last time. 90 days is more than enough time for Ubi to come up with something viable.
And if at the end of those 90 days the community has not been given anything concrete then it would be our resposibility as the community to live up to our end of the deal and ALL file complaints with the BBB. There are enough members of the vegas community alone to do serious damage to Ubi via the BBB... but only if we act as one. This pettty arguing is worthless. we all want the same thing. And if we're going to get it we have to unified in our resolve to get something positive done. I would gladly offer my time to a cause such as this and I got plenty of time on my hands to monitor forums, talk to reps from ubi, talk with members of the community, and monitor progress made by Ubi.
I'm in no way nominating myself just offering up my time. It would ultimately be up to all of us who would undertake this task.
All I know is I refuse to give in to this compnay and let them ruin the franchises I love and steal my money. I, for one, will never give in until this company either fixes the problem or completely shuts down. nuff said.

[SODsniper2114]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by nbs.kma:

IF they release a patch anytime soon, you will only have Sniper and his BBB complaint, and those who followed suit, to thank.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>


I would also add that those who have worked diligently on Servers and those who have worked diligently on Support websites also contributed greatly to the cause. They showed UBI that practically EVERYONE is united in making UBI change...



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[Operator.SF]

just think... if a few (30 I believe it was) BBB complaints got a response.. what would 100 get?
if the community has to finish their products to make them usable which we have.. it wouldn't be too hard to get the backing of the BBB. And it won't be long before the investors are asking questions. And therein lies the REAL power.. when the investors say something needs done... it gets done NOW. for with out the investors.. the company crumbles

[sls1aw]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Operator.SF:
Well..

I remember the "council". It did very little good. But seriously, what other options do we have here? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

R6 Council? the same council that got flamed by UBI as being "Closed minded"?

And then UBI doing the exact opposite of everything the council suggested..

[Syrfer]

Sure nbs. It's my posts that bring the forum down but your post (this one is a good example) and Sniper's that raise this community to a higher standard? Please.

Sniper if the rest of us are nothing but whiners uselessly complaining on this board then why are you here doing just that? Obviously your battle is better fought elsewhere. Go fight it give us an update on your progress but leave this board and the rest of us out of your hate campaign.

Unless you've sat in on a meeting with UBIsoft that you haven't told the rest of us about you can't possibly know what their agenda is or isn't. You don't know how many devs are devoted to completely who know how many projects and what timeline they've devoted to completing each project.

Everyone knows what's wrong with this game and this community. Nobody here is trying to say that things are great. We just don't need to be smacked on the head with the obvious every other thread or forced to participate in your show.

You've got your own message board. If you have so many supporters why not keep it over there? Do what you like, say what you like..... over there.

[Operator.SF]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by sls1aw:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Operator.SF:
Well..

I remember the "council". It did very little good. But seriously, what other options do we have here? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

R6 Council? the same council that got flamed by UBI as being "Closed minded"?

And then UBI doing the exact opposite of everything the council suggested.. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


yep that was the one.

[Mysticaly]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SODsniper2114:
For those of you who haven't read it over at the OpPython site, I did get a response from UBI with regards to my BBB complaint:


UBI's Response;
Ubisoft acknowledges that SODsniper's Desired Resolution is feasible and the company will investigate possible ways to address the situation. Ubisoft Online Community Directors are aware of Mr. SODsniper's complaints and will evaluate the roles and responsibilities of the Ubisoft Community Managers as well as the outside Volunteer Moderators with the goal of facilitating communication and improving any problem areas regarding the flow of information to and from community members.

Now, for those of you who are veterans of this forum and this community, you will recognize this verbage as common coming from UBI. Nothing really new here, nothing binding and nothing concrete. It is also the same kind of verbage that the Deutsch PC Community got from UBI after their boycott came up.

Shallow platitudes and hollow promises..

This being the case, I responded to the BBB that I did NOT accept UBI's response with the following explanation:

I will conditionally accept UBI Soft Entertainment's response.
I would request the UBI Soft Entertainment lift the ban that they have imposed against me so that I may be in a better position to monitor their actions within the PC Community forums and insure their compliance with their stated intentions.
I pledge to UBI Soft Entertainment that I will cease to be disruptive and to work with UBI to help them achieve their stated goals. In return, UBI pledges to be fair and impartial and apply their forums rules fairly to all of the PC Community.
Finally, I would like UBI Soft Entertainment and a community-selected group to meet in 90 days to revisit this issue and address any deficiencies that might still be in place.


Now, that last paragraph might smack of shades of the R6-Council, just as Myst's suggestion might smack of same ol same ol..

But I think it can work for the following reason..

Regardless of the nominations, the R6Council was beholded to UBI. UBI created the group. The group outlined by Myst would be created BY the PC Community and FOR the PC Community. It would exist solely for the purposes of representing the PC Community to UBI, rather than representing UBI to the PC Community.

Another argument is that this group would not have any teeth.

My response to that would be that it COULD have teeth.

I propose that the entire PC Community approach UBI with a deal..

That those of us who have filed BBB Complaints will agree to suspend those complaints for a period of 90 days. In return, UBI agrees to let the PC Community group form it's OWN Council completely of it's own volition without any intereference, input or coercion from UBI. UBI would have to further agree to accept this council AS IS and work WITH the council by giving them good faith intel that the council can, in turn, pass on to the Community they serve. UBI further agrees to implement the changes that they have proposed in their BBB response, as stated above. UBI would also have agree to accept the PC Community's nominations for several new UBI Moderators to replace the current batch of Moderators. These community chosen moderators would be for the VEGAS PC Forum only. Finally, all bans from this Forum would be rescinded and everyone, INCLUDING UBI, would be given a TRUE Clean Slate. The PC Community can police it's own, if we have a good reason to do so.

At the end of the 90 grace period, the PC Community can decide whether or not UBI has lived up to it's end of the deal. If the Community decides that UBI has made the positive changes outlined, then those who have filed BBB Complaints can permenantly rescind their complaints.

Now, of course, this isn't going to be an easy sell... Hard feelings run deep and there is a lot of anger and hatred to overcome. But, if someone like me and Operator.SF can be at each other's throats one day and then sittin' down over a few beers the next day, then surely UBI can overcome it's apparent disdain for the PC Community. And those who have developed some real anger towards UBI for past should be able to look towards the future and see that a reconciliation is in EVERYONE's best interests.

That's my proposal..

All of this, of course, assumes that UBI cares about the PC Community and wants to see things resolved. If it is UBI's plan to totally divest itself from the PC market, then all of these suggestions are, of course, moot.

But, if UBI is being sincere in it's claims that it wants to continue in the PC market, then my suggestion might be a way to go.


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This could work, couldent it ?

Alltough, I doubt UBI ever will even take notice of these ideas, but if they suprice us, i believe this could work..

About the Sniper haters, maby you all havent smelled the coffe yet, but UBI has pulled a bit of a trick on us, I've disagreed with sniper, but have pretty much come to realize that he has been right all the time, it would not suprise me if others would "turn around" to ... It's UBI that is the problem here, and there moderators, not SODSniper!

[sls1aw]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mysticaly:
but have pretty much come to realize that he has been right all the time, it would not suprise me if others would "turn around" to ... It's UBI that is the problem here, and there moderators, not SODSniper!
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

QFT, UBI knew actually what they were doing when they released Vegas

[bigrexxx]

Syfer, you are in the wrong in this thread, nobody tried hijacking it, until you with your attacks on Sniper without actually even trying to add to the current discussion. He merely stated his opinion to the OP, as to the effectiveness of a council. It's this type of action that gets threads closed for everyone, so knock it off.

Back ON topic: I agree the first RS council were nothing more than a placebo. But their purpose was different, it was merely put together to let the developers hear what we the community wanted in the game, but obviously those got thrown is the garbage. But this time they would be sitting in a chat room, or preferably a TS server, but somewhere the conversation could be recorded, requesting answers in person, in stead of asking on the forums, in hope they get read by the right person, or passed along by our community manager. At least we have to try something.

[Operator.SF]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by bigrexxx:
I agree the first RS council were nothing more than a placebo. But their purpose was different, it was merely put together to let the developers hear what we the community wanted in the game, but obviously those got thrown is the garbage. But this time they would be sitting in a chat room, or preferably a TS server, but somewhere the conversation could be recorded, requesting answers in person, in stead of asking on the forums, in hope they get read by the right person, or passed along by our community manager. At least we have to try something. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

[SteveLord8]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by nbs.kma:
Syrfer, it's posts that include assanine comments like YOURS that down these forums.

SOD Sniper IS a member of these forums and this community. Just because you don't agree with the way Sniper has handled himself, doesn't make you right.

As for the rest of the SOD Sniper "Haters", wake up and smell the bullsh!t that UBi leaves under your pillow, or keep being patient lmao.

IF they release a patch anytime soon, you will only have Sniper and his BBB complaint, and those who followed suit, to thank.

IF they don't, you can all line up and pull your heads out of their @SS one at a time.

Edit: Steve, my little princess, your the only troll around here. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'll be a troll over someone's puppy anyday. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Myself and others never denied that UBI was a problem. This is something you keep forgetting.

[nbs.kma]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SteveLord8:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by nbs.kma:
Syrfer, it's posts that include assanine comments like YOURS that down these forums.

SOD Sniper IS a member of these forums and this community. Just because you don't agree with the way Sniper has handled himself, doesn't make you right.

As for the rest of the SOD Sniper "Haters", wake up and smell the bullsh!t that UBi leaves under your pillow, or keep being patient lmao.

IF they release a patch anytime soon, you will only have Sniper and his BBB complaint, and those who followed suit, to thank.

IF they don't, you can all line up and pull your heads out of their @SS one at a time.

Edit: Steve, my little princess, your the only troll around here. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'll be a troll over someone's puppy anyday. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Myself and others never denied that UBI was a problem. This is something you keep forgetting. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

So just because I Agree with Snipers agenda, that makes me his puppy? Hardly.

You coming in and posting worthless moronic comments about him and now me, does make you a TROLL though.

Funny how you go around telling everyone not to be that of what you are. A little hypocritical don't you think?

It's ok though, kid, everyone sees you for what you are.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

[T1mberw0lf]

Wow...I thought someone started necro-posting but apparently someone is trying this AGAIN. Just a heads up, this has been attempted at least once, and got nowhere. If I remember correctly, two german guys actually went to their HQ and had a face-to-face meeting with the devs and community reps and STILL got zero done.

So yea, been there, done that, UBI did nothing.

[SteveLord8]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by nbs.kma:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SteveLord8:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by nbs.kma:
Syrfer, it's posts that include assanine comments like YOURS that down these forums.

SOD Sniper IS a member of these forums and this community. Just because you don't agree with the way Sniper has handled himself, doesn't make you right.

As for the rest of the SOD Sniper "Haters", wake up and smell the bullsh!t that UBi leaves under your pillow, or keep being patient lmao.

IF they release a patch anytime soon, you will only have Sniper and his BBB complaint, and those who followed suit, to thank.

IF they don't, you can all line up and pull your heads out of their @SS one at a time.

Edit: Steve, my little princess, your the only troll around here. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'll be a troll over someone's puppy anyday. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Myself and others never denied that UBI was a problem. This is something you keep forgetting. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

So just because I Agree with Snipers agenda, that makes me his puppy? Hardly.

You coming in and posting worthless moronic comments about him and now me, does make you a TROLL though.

Funny how you go around telling everyone not to be that of what you are. A little hypocritical don't you think?

It's ok though, kid, everyone sees you for what you are.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

And because I disagree, I am an UBI Fanboy right? And it goes on and on and on etc...

[tUBIornot2B]

Steve, Syrfer, check your PM's.

[Pest_AWC]

Since UBI is a publicly traded company, is it possible for someone here to buy stock and ask questions at a shareholder meeting?

The biggest problem with getting UBI to do anything is they don't have to tell us anything or do anything for us if they feel it does not directly hurt them in their cashflow.

[Syrfer]

My response wasn't to hijack anyone's thread. I responded to an effort that has Sniper at the head of it. I personally do not want Sniper undertaking any efforts with the understanding that he speaks for an entire community because I do not want him to speak on my behalf. I don't want a council in place that puts him in the drivers seat in anyway.

That was my interest in this post.

I also mentioned that none of this would be necessary if UBI would change it's policy on public communications.

How hard would it be to have a member of the dev team put in charge of posting development progress twice a week? To me that would be interesting no matter if they made progress in their coding or not, even if it took 2 or 3 monhts, just having that kind of information and involvement from UBI would be really interesting.... to me at least.

Rather than having someone at UBI communicate with this person in this country and then that person in another country and then have those people talk to CMs and have the CMs talk to the community but make sure you don't say this or that.... just makes sense to have the info straight from the horse right to the board. Like a development blog that is a sticky post no one but the dev can add to.

We all recognize that Vegas was ported to PC very poorly. If the coding requires drastic changes how long do you think that would take? Add 2 or 3 more projects to the dev teams list and how much longer will that take?

None this Python business is helping anyone.

[sandinthepants]

I dont know about anyone else but i will stand behind any efforts that force UBI to behave in a manner that will help us gamers that enjoy this sort of game.
If you do not like the way that sniper is trying to acomplish this come up with a better way.
Then prove that you are willing to expend the energy to attempt to put the plan in motion.
It makes no diffrence wether or not i like sniper i applaud his effort.
And i believe that before you can shoot down somone elses plan you should have one of youre own.


Lets just please get this game fixed so no one will be on these damn forums we will be killin each other instead!

[KI.Canyon]

Point 1: NOBODY here has any right whatsoever to state that ANY member should NOT be part of a community elected council.

Point 2: If you want to contribute to a community elected council, then run for being nominated for it and/or VOTE for who you would like to represent your interest in this game.

Agree with any particular member or not, we're all equally part of this community.

[SODsniper2114]

Let me make 2 points.

1. Common Ground...
I think we can all agree that UBI has a real problem with how it deals with the PC Community. My biggest detractors, both current and past, and everyone else can agree on this one point. UBI has failed miserably in how it deals with the PC Community and PC Gaming.
Where the difference lies in how best to address it. Some just want to "be patient" and hope UBI will come around. This is an Appeasement approach. Don't make waves, don't rock the boat and hopefully, UBI will reward the community.. This is a tried approach.. It is also a failed approach. Appeasement doesn't work because we have nothing to offer UBI that UBI cares about.

It has become clear to me that the IN YOUR FACE approach is the ONLY approach that UBI will respond to. It's like the title of a Don Henley song. HOW BAD DO YOU WANT IT?

If we want UBI to change, then we have to PROVE to UBI that we want that change bad.. We want it REAL bad... And to get that change that we DESERVE, we are going to fight for it.

Now, for those who think this is silly. Fine. For those who think it's ridiculous to get so worked up over just a game. Great. No problem. You don't see the need, that's fine. But don't tear at those who DO see the need. Who DO want to fight.. We're not going to cajole and harass you into fighting if you don't believe in it. We're going to simply ask that you let us do what we believe is the right thing to do and don't stand in our way..

It's really simple..


My second point is with regards to the effectiveness of a new Council.. Like Operator.SF pointed out, the PC Community has something it didn't have the first go round. The BBB Complaints. And don't let anyone tell you otherwise, the BBB Complaints are scaring the HELL out of UBI.. This is something that UBI is very worried about. You can tell this by the lengths they are going to silence any who speak of the BBB and the depths that they will sink to to attack those who encourage the BBB complaints.

Make no mistake about it. Complaints to the BBB are a very real, a very tangible and a very powerful weapon to use against UBI. I truly believe that UBI will do WHATEVER it takes to get those BBB complaints addressed in a manner that allows UBI to maintain it's SATISFACTORY rating. Even if it means changing it's ways on how it deals with the PC Community.

That's why, as Operator.SF stated, this go-round it can be very different. This time around, it is the PC Community that has the power that UBI fears. Not just the power of their own purchases, but the power to affect how UBI is viewed world-wide.

An UNSATISFACTORY rating by the BBB is the type of stuff that causes huge stock drops.

And THAT simply scares the pants off of UBI.. It would scare ANY publicly traded company..


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[DX-GAME]

If you would like to have a council, kinda makes me chuckle, I suggest you start an independent web site.

There are a two reasons for this..

1. You dont disrupt this board.
2. You have full control over your own site.

This way, you guys can get together and come up with posts that make sense, arent argumentitve or insulting, and then post. I also suggest you DO NOT use any current forum in use by a member or clan. Remove control and bias.

One thing though.
While there are some good points being made, I dont see much to discuss. I dont approve of any Gamers Council because Ive seen too many attempts at it before. It ends up members vs members instead of gamers vs Devs/distributors.

I dont need a council to state my opinion.
I just have one at this point. UBI should fix whats wrong with the game at hand.

UBI has already said they are still supporting the game, and that they are going to release a patch. I can even tell you the release date: "When Its Ready"

Questions have already been answered.

[tUBIornot2B]

I second that....there is a website actually, but alas, there's absolutely nothing going on over there....it's as dead as its plight.

[DirtH2o]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mysticaly:
Apparently, this is not going anywhere, These forums are in a state that is beyond rescue, at least it seems so to me.

This got me thinking, "what can I do to help solve the situation?"�
Well, I got an idea, I doubt it will help, but it's a suggestion as an solution to end this situation that is unacceptable! There have been suggestions to shutting down the forums, there have been suggestions that we the users simply leaves the forums, but nether one solves anything in my book.

To end all these discussions, the flaming and the locking of posts/threads we need to look for an permanent solution to the problem we see here on these forums today..

Here are my suggestions

We the community appoints a few reps of the PC community that will have an open session with an UBI rep, whereas the appointed community reps get to ask the UBI rep a few questions, and the UBI rep answer those questions he are able to answer.. Finally this session will be posted on these forums as a sticky.

Also, I strongly suggest that we, in the pc community get to select a forum Admin, and that ColinCJ steps back as an Admin, or is in the background, It's we who uses these forums isn't it? Why shouldn't we have the right to select a administrator for the forums? At least it's worth trying out.

I seriously do not see the fans of RSV calming down, and be satisfied without some interaction made by UBI, so this is actually me challenging UBI, and if UBI chooses to ignore this challenge they will simply prove everyone flaming in these forums right! I as a UBI fan for many years hope that you UBI indeed accepts the challenge and have a sit down with a few representatives of the PC community!. Are you up for it UBI ?

I think it's fair to that we can expect an answer to this request by Wednesday 11'th of April, If there's no answer by then we the community will simply take it as you are still ignoring us, and I personally will take SamSpeeds statement that there is a patch in progress as bogus.


I don't know if anything will come out of this at all, I'm not even sure if it's such a good suggestion, but at least I've given it a try, simply because I for one do not want the state the forums are in now, and simply because it's about time we do get some information!.


If this would turn out to be realistic, we could maby have a thread where we could post suggestions to what the representatives of the PC community would ask.

Of-course, feel free to bash my suggestion, or come up with a better one, I would be happy to see anything that would work out. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

community need to Grow Up is 1
moderators stop playing forum gods is 2
ubisoft put out a patch is 3
and if that dont work , stop coming to forum and stop buying ubisoft products.. the only solution...

[SODsniper2114]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DX-GAME:
If you would like to have a council, kinda makes me chuckle, I suggest you start an independent web site.

There are a two reasons for this..

1. You dont disrupt this board.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sad though it is, it is the disruption to UBI's business model that will force UBI to change..

It's hard to be "in your face" with UBI, if we are parked down the block.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DX-GAME:
2. You have full control over your own site.

This way, you guys can get together and come up with posts that make sense, arent argumentitve or insulting, and then post. I also suggest you DO NOT use any current forum in use by a member or clan. Remove control and bias.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

There are already several sites that are doing this. Myst's site and the OpPython site to name a couple.

But UBI can easily ignore those sites and maintain the status quo..

They can't ignore what's happening right here and right now..


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DX-GAME:
One thing though.
While there are some good points being made, I dont see much to discuss. I dont approve of any Gamers Council because Ive seen too many attempts at it before. It ends up members vs members instead of gamers vs Devs/distributors.

I dont need a council to state my opinion.
I just have one at this point. UBI should fix whats wrong with the game at hand.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You are correct.. You don't need a council to state your opinion for you.

But, as has become obvious, you DO need a council to FORCE UBI to listen to your opinion, acknowledge your opinion and do somthing about your opinion...

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DX-GAME:
UBI has already said they are still supporting the game, and that they are going to release a patch. I can even tell you the release date: "When Its Ready"

Questions have already been answered. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No questions have not been answered. Questions have been deferred.. Which is UBI's S.O.P. They will never truly answer a question unless they are forced to answer a question with a real answer..

For example.. We had SamSeed on here saying "A patch is in the works..."

ON the VERY same day, UBI was telling a BBB Complaint that "A Patch WILL BE in the works"...

So, what's the real story?? IS a patch in the works?? Or WILL a patch be in the works?? Exactly what does WILL BE IN THE WORKS mean??

Say I rip you off of $50.. You demand it back.. I tell you, "Oh well, I WILL BE thinking about giving it back."

You gonna accept that as an answer???

As I said, above, if you don't feel the need to fight UBI for what is rightfully yours, that's kewl.. I will neither try to convince you otherwise nor fault you for not wanting to fight.

All I ask is that you LET me fight without cap'ing on me for choosing to fight.. If you don't want to be part of the solution, that's all find and good. But just don't be part of the problem. And, by jumping on people who are willing to fight, you do become part of the problem.


That's all I am saying.

Of course, I don't mean YOU personally... I use "YOU" as an example directed to those who DO cap on those who choose to fight..



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[DX-GAME]

I dont know why I have to keep pointing this out.

You guys arent forcing UBI to do anything.

What you are doing is dicuraging people to come to this forum, bumping down posts that may solve issues temporarily, and keeping community expression stagnant by shoving your opinions down everones throat with repeted threads.

Tact.
Get together, consolidate your points in a structured mannor and post one topic every few days. This will allow you to get your point across and let everyone else use the board as well.

You havent been hurting UBI, you have been hurting the community. This is only my opinion, but you guys really need to get your **** together if you want to make a real point.

[bishopazrael]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SODsniper2114:
All I ask is that you LET me fight without cap'ing on me for choosing to fight.. If you don't want to be part of the solution, that's all find and good. But just don't be part of the problem. And, by jumping on people who are willing to fight, you do become part of the problem.


That's all I am saying.

Of course, I don't mean YOU personally... I use "YOU" as an example directed to those who DO cap on those who choose to fight..



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[SODsniper2114]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DX-GAME:
I dont know why I have to keep pointing this out.

You guys arent forcing UBI to do anything.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Perhaps if you provided ANY kind of evidence to support this assertion like you have been asked, you wouldn't have to keep pointing it out..



<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DX-GAME:
What you are doing is dicuraging people to come to this forum, bumping down posts that may solve issues temporarily, and keeping community expression stagnant by shoving your opinions down everones throat with repeted threads.

Tact.
Get together, consolidate your points in a structured mannor and post one topic every few days. This will allow you to get your point across and let everyone else use the board as well.

You havent been hurting UBI,
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I ask you again to prove this. Show me ANY evidence that supports your assertion.


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DX-GAME:
you have been hurting the community. This is only my opinion, but you guys really need to get your **** together if you want to make a real point. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Points been made.

UBI has gotten the point.

That's a stone cold fact.

Now, we just need to drive the point home..


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[DX-GAME]

I support the fight.

But the way it stands, you guys are bringing a suicide bomber to a air superiority war and blowing up your own AA.

[Syrfer]

Can you prove that your actions have made any difference at all Sniper?

Once again, have you had firsthand communications with anyone at UBI that has said 'Sniper is right. Let's make a patch!'.

Or is it possible that UBI is carrying out it's own agenda all on it's own regardless of forum use?

You mentioned that the rest of us on this board who have also chimed in with our own complaints are nothing but ineffective whiners. Then why do you propose that your posts are the 'in your face' assertive action we need so badly?

[SODsniper2114]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Syrfer:
Can you prove that your actions have made any difference at all Sniper?

Once again, have you had firsthand communications with anyone at UBI that has said 'Sniper is right. Let's make a patch!'.

Or is it possible that UBI is carrying out it's own agenda all on it's own regardless of forum use?

You mentioned that the rest of us on this board who have also chimed in with our own complaints are nothing but ineffective whiners. Then why do you propose that your posts are the 'in your face' assertive action we need so badly? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No I can't PROVE it.. I have never claimed that I could PROVE it..

But I can point to very compelling evidence to show that the BBB campaign is having it's desired effect..

If you have equally compelling evidence (or ANY kind of evidence at all) that shows it isn't having ANY effect, then let's see it..

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[SODsniper2114]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DX-GAME:
I support the fight.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If this is true, then you have 3 choices..


LEAD.....
FOLLOW.....
GET THE HELL OUTTA THE WAY


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DX-GAME:
But the way it stands, you guys are bringing a suicide bomber to a air superiority war and blowing up your own AA. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

And yet, there is not ONE SHRED of evidence to support that assertion sans your opinion.


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[Syrfer]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SODsniper2114:
No I can't PROVE it.. I have never claimed that I could PROVE it..

But I can point to very compelling evidence to show that the BBB campaign is having it's desired effect..

If you have equally compelling evidence (or ANY kind of evidence at all) that shows it isn't having ANY effect, then let's see it.. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Then you have to concede that any opinion other than your own carries equal weight and that you alone are not responsible for UBI's continued support of Vegas.

Or do you think it's the number of posts each user applies to the problem that makes a difference? Because you're certainly leading that race.

Do you mean compelling 'evidence' or compelling speculation? Is it your opinion that you've made a difference or has this been confirmed by someone or someway that you can quantify?

[SODsniper2114]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Syrfer:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SODsniper2114:
No I can't PROVE it.. I have never claimed that I could PROVE it..

But I can point to very compelling evidence to show that the BBB campaign is having it's desired effect..

If you have equally compelling evidence (or ANY kind of evidence at all) that shows it isn't having ANY effect, then let's see it.. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Then you have to concede that any opinion other than your own carries equal weight and that you alone are not responsible for UBI's continued support of Vegas.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, I don't concede that. Simply because you have offered nothing BUT your opinion.

Whereas the opinion of all the others is supported by evidence. UBI's own posts and UBI's responses to the BBB complaints.

You still haven't answered my question.

Do you have a better idea to get UBI to change the way it communicates with the PC Community.

It's a very simple question..


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[Syrfer]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SODsniper2114:
No, I don't concede that. Simply because you have offered nothing BUT your opinion.

Whereas the opinion of all the others is supported by evidence. UBI's own posts and UBI's responses to the BBB complaints.

You still haven't answered my question.

Do you have a better idea to get UBI to change the way it communicates with the PC Community.

It's a very simple question.. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

And you have offered nothing BUT your opinion as well.

UBI's post re: continued support of this game is not evidence that your complaints were responsible for anything or that UBI wasn't already working on it or had it on their TODO list.

Do I have a better solution? You've deluded yourself into thinking that you have a solution and that you have any control whatsoever over this situation. You do not. And if you did I would still ask you to keep your campaign on a site that you control and give us an update once in a while without being so disruptive.

[Un-Deux]

To respond to the original post in this thread, we are looking at how to better moderate this forum, and your suggestions are welcome. However, please submit them to me via PM. Over the next few weeks you will see a larger official presence on the forums. I can't and won't be able to make any promises as to if this will change your game experience, but we'll be working to discuss the issues with you and try to sort the problems out. Regardless, I want to have clearer communication with you, and fix the issues that I can fix.

The best thing you can do to help this process is to be civil. We'll be working to make this community a better place through means other than mass deletion, banning and closing threads, but the community also needs to step up and not give moderators cause to invoke these kinds of actions. If you have specific issues that I can fix, PM them to me. I will not, however, respond to trolling.

[bigrexxx]

Thank you Duex for your response, and I hope everyone will comply to these terms, from all parties.

The only thing is we should be able to post our ideas, as long as they are done in a mature manner, because right now we are jaded, and until we see proof of your sincerity we don't know that our PM's aren't just being deleted. Trust has broken down between UBI and the customers, and it will take time to build that back up, and it will only happen if everyone allows it. I do not speak for the community, but I hope we can maintain a certain level of professionalism, as well as UBI, and hopefully you will allow members to voice their opinions (in the right way) without locking every negative thread. Also you need to reconsider having UBI assigned mods, trust the community to choose who moderates these forums, we have some very intelligent members who could do the job without causing the friction that is currently visible in the forum

Thank you for your time and consideration on these matters

[DX-GAME]

I disagree with a few things above.

I support Collin because he was trying to do something to stop the UBI flamers from taking over the forum. the same guys that may be complaining about him are the guys causing the problems.

Anywho, you want suggestions, I have suggestions for you..

[SteveLord8]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DX-GAME:
I disagree with a few things above.

I support Collin because he was trying to do something to stop the UBI flamers from taking over the forum. the same guys that may be complaining about him are the guys causing the problems.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You violate the ToU, you are punished. Many forgot that when registering or think it doesn't apply to them.

[DX-GAME]

Ooohh..

Im a Violator...

Spawn watch out for me now!

[bigrexxx]

you two have broken the TOU as often if not more than some of the guys you complain about, so do not point fingers. We finally have some positive interaction from a UBI employee, do not ruin it or try to get this thread locked yet again. both of you are new to this forum, and neither of you have posted a single thing that actually contributes to anything, which is fine, but do not let your inadequacies destroy our best shot of getting this forum fixed. So please sit down and be quiet while we get this resolved, thank you.

[DX-GAME]

Aww shut up..

I have never broken the TOU except posting in threads that were posted by people who violated the TOU by posting the treads. So, does one cancel out the other?

No,
But I was right in every case..

[Mysticaly]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DX-GAME:
Aww shut up..
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Well, that sure was a mature response..

[bigrexxx]

Thank you, you have just proven my point.

You admit to breaking the TOU, by harassing and flaming members who you don't like and whose TOU infractions were described by the mods as spamming and thread hijacking. No, they don't cancel each other out, your infractions are severely worse, yet no action was taken against you. It's obvious that you are incapable of carrying on a civil dialogue, so please sit down before you embarrass yourself further.

[DX-GAME]

Actually, I though my "I was right in every case" was more immature.

Going to go play now..
Have fun complaining!

And just so you know, some people just cant admit when they are wrong, and others sadly, dont even know.

Ill avoid these posts like I should have done in the first place. They are below my intelligence. Fun in a Anne Sullivan Macy sort of way, but below.

Just try and compact them into a few less topics so others can, you know, have a real community.

[Tacamo]

In lieu of once having a stickied topic of civil posts containing many ideas and requests started mid to late in the development cycle few if any of the ideas were used or for that part even acknowledged. That's probably why people resorted to the carpet bomb approach. Why waste time with strategic posts that'll get ignored, when you can flood a place with posts of significantly less quality that actually get some kind of response? The sad thing is that with all kinds of businesses and services the customers who are rational and approach things reasonably get stepped on. While the ones that curse and act out in public get the attention. The sad part is that they are usually the same person, just at different stages in their customer/business relationship.

[vapor002]

Un-Deux,

Thank you for your response. I like Rex think you will find that for the most part the community can and will respond well to respectful 2 way communication.

Like you we are not interested in continuing a meaningless flame war that benefits no one.

We are interested in having a place to communicate with UBI that is moderated in a fair and consistant manner. We are also interested in having this product fixed and hope we can achieve that goal without delay.

Again we appreciate your taking the time to post and look forward to seeing these forums and this game become functional.

-Vapor

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> Ooohh..

Im a Violator...

Spawn watch out for me now! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> disagree with a few things above.
I support Collin because he was trying to do something to stop the UBI flamers from taking over the forum. the same guys that may be complaining about him are the guys causing the problems. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Aww shut up..

I have never broken the TOU except posting in threads that were posted by people who violated the TOU by posting the treads. So, does one cancel out the other?

No,
But I was right in every case.. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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[SODsniper2114]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Tacamo:

The sad thing is that with all kinds of businesses and services the customers who are rational and approach things reasonably get stepped on. While the ones that curse and act out in public get the attention. The sad part is that they are usually the same person, just at different stages in their customer/business relationship.

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

About the most truest statement I have read in a long long time.

It is so dead on ballz accurate, it's scary..



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[JACKDANIEL_o7]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by tUBIornot2B:
I second that....there is a website actually, but alas, there's absolutely nothing going on over there....it's as dead as its plight. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's as dead as its plight? So this entire effort is now deemed worthless to you? THen, do tell, why the FCK are you here?

That must have been one important match you lost to SOD Sniper back in 2002 and havent yet gotten over.

You and your little oompa-loompas talk so much **** about Sniper, and tell him to "go make more Super Mario maps"

Tell me, what have you tUBI et all, contibuted to this R6 community?
Or let me guess....you just log on every night and take it for granted that there will be dedicated servers, custom maps, and support for the games you like right?

I DIRECTLY asked the question in anotehr thread:

WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM WITH SOD SNIPER?

and guess what, Colin took that as a 'threat' to himself, and closed the topic before any one of you could fabricate a response.

How about barfing one out now??

[bjmarler1]

Dx-Game wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I have never broken the TOU except posting in threads that were posted by people who violated the TOU by posting the treads. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Gosh that reminded me of that scene in the Princess Bride movie where Wesley was having a game of wits with the bald guy. Finally after the bald guy made a big speech that wrapped around and came back about 10 times, Wesley said: "<span class="ev_code_RED">Truly you have a dizzying intellect</span>!"

DX, that fits you to a tee! Are you bald? lol http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[FI_FlimFlam]

"Incontheivable!" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Sorry had to be said. LOL.

I have to say, reality TV can't even touch this forum. I'm surprised some one isn't selling this concept to the networks.... /sarcasm

[bjmarler1]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">"Incontheivable!" </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wow, you even got the "lisp" spelled phonetically correct! lol

Now everytime I read a post from DX, I'll be reading it as if he has that same lisp. Darn you FlimFlam. lol http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[FI_FlimFlam]

Heh! It's one of my favorites right along with Raising Arizona. Both stand out as some of the most quotable movies of all time!

"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[T-DiNozzo]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SteveLord8:
You think you're a martyr...sacrificing your time and effort and being put on the cross(banned several times) for everyone's sins.

I don't hate, I dislike you, your presence and your attempt to rally trolls in your apparant holy war in the manner which you have done. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This wouldn't be happening if there wasn't something behind it. A happy community does *not* do these things.

[tUBIornot2B]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by T-DiNozzo:
This wouldn't be happening if there wasn't something behind it. A happy community does *not* do these things. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

One word Sire....Megalomania.

[randolfphe]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DX-GAME:
Actually, I though my "I was right in every case" was more immature.

Going to go play now..
Have fun complaining!

And just so you know, some people just cant admit when they are wrong, and others sadly, dont even know.

Ill avoid these posts like I should have done in the first place. They are below my intelligence. Fun in a Anne Sullivan Macy sort of way, but below.

Just try and compact them into a few less topics so others can, you know, have a real community. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

you are the epitome of disruption actually. without you there would be a whole lot less arguments. the vast majority here are either anti-ubi or people who are capable of communicating properly and without insults.

nearly every single one of your posts is a provocation or a condescending statement towards another. you say you have a daughter? that makes you old enough to realize you should always act your age...not go into bouts of teenage rowdiness whenever you feel like it.

if you can do that maybe you'd get a little more respect around here. your last sentence says it all really, you can't stand having people here with opposing opinions. we make up a huge percentage of the members here, we'll always complain, so deal with it.

[SODsniper2115]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by T-DiNozzo:

This wouldn't be happening if there wasn't something behind it. A happy community does *not* do these things. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Another one of those, "HOLY CARP, YOU ARE DEAD ON BALLZ RIGHT!!!!" statements...


SODsniper
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[Mysticaly]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by randolfphe:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DX-GAME:
Actually, I though my "I was right in every case" was more immature.

Going to go play now..
Have fun complaining!

And just so you know, some people just cant admit when they are wrong, and others sadly, dont even know.

Ill avoid these posts like I should have done in the first place. They are below my intelligence. Fun in a Anne Sullivan Macy sort of way, but below.

Just try and compact them into a few less topics so others can, you know, have a real community. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

you are the epitome of disruption actually. without you there would be a whole lot less arguments. the vast majority here are either anti-ubi or people who are capable of communicating properly and without insults.

nearly every single one of your posts is a provocation or a condescending statement towards another. you say you have a daughter? that makes you old enough to realize you should always act your age...not go into bouts of teenage rowdiness whenever you feel like it.

if you can do that maybe you'd get a little more respect around here. your last sentence says it all really, you can't stand having people here with opposing opinions. we make up a huge percentage of the members here, we'll always complain, so deal with it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

The post of today, I agree 100%, but needless to say he just doesen't see it himselves, he doesen't understand that he's behavior makes he'm look nothing but a Troll, to bad really cause he seems to have intelligence.