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P.T. Flea
05-25-2004, 06:21 PM
Why 'ello everyone. You see, my problem, isn't directly related to Far Cry in a sense that I don't yet own the game. However, I recently purchased a new PC, or rather, my father recently purchased me a new PC. You see, my father, being a very generous man, decided he'd fork out $1500 just for the PC, however he only trusts major companies, such as Gateway, Dell, or something of the sort. So he had me go to the Dell website and select a PC. So I went there, and selected the Dimension 8300 Desktop PC, and tried to base its stats on those recommended for Far Cry.

I gave it...

Pentium 4 3Ghz Processor
(Windows XP as a default)
1GB RAM
120 GB Hard Drive (Guess I didn't need to list this.)
128MB ATI Radeon 9800 Pro
Sound Blaster 5.1 sound card

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Ok thats just some of the basic things, those along with everything else make up the PC I ordered. I've heard some bad rumors about Dell PCs though, and I don't want it crappin' out on me or not performing how it should. Can anyone tell me, think Far Cry will run alright on it? Based on what I've given you? I'm 14 and am not a computer wiz by any means, just here to have some fun. Thanks for your help.

-Flea

P.T. Flea
05-25-2004, 06:21 PM
Why 'ello everyone. You see, my problem, isn't directly related to Far Cry in a sense that I don't yet own the game. However, I recently purchased a new PC, or rather, my father recently purchased me a new PC. You see, my father, being a very generous man, decided he'd fork out $1500 just for the PC, however he only trusts major companies, such as Gateway, Dell, or something of the sort. So he had me go to the Dell website and select a PC. So I went there, and selected the Dimension 8300 Desktop PC, and tried to base its stats on those recommended for Far Cry.

I gave it...

Pentium 4 3Ghz Processor
(Windows XP as a default)
1GB RAM
120 GB Hard Drive (Guess I didn't need to list this.)
128MB ATI Radeon 9800 Pro
Sound Blaster 5.1 sound card

========

Ok thats just some of the basic things, those along with everything else make up the PC I ordered. I've heard some bad rumors about Dell PCs though, and I don't want it crappin' out on me or not performing how it should. Can anyone tell me, think Far Cry will run alright on it? Based on what I've given you? I'm 14 and am not a computer wiz by any means, just here to have some fun. Thanks for your help.

-Flea

MoBass
05-25-2004, 06:38 PM
You should be fine! Have fun http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

P.T. Flea
05-25-2004, 06:47 PM
Ah, that's what I like to hear. I figured it'd work fine, I can't see why it wouldn't given the stats. Its just...you know...heard some things...about...Dell...But hey thanks! I really just wanna play some games without things crappin' out, and that one little tiny itsy bitsy post kinda helped with the doubt...not that I was in doubt before or anything... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

jak9114
05-25-2004, 08:25 PM
That's a good machine, don't let any geeks tell its no good because you didn't build it. One thing I would recommend is to update the drivers, especially the video card driver when you get it. Generally Dell's and other major comp companies don't usually come with the latest drivers. It's not a big deal. Go to www.ati.com (http://www.ati.com) and follow their directions how to install the newest one. Right now its 4.5. If you need help, I'm sure someone here will help.

Krull73
05-25-2004, 08:49 PM
Sounds like a pretty decent system, I must say.

Mad_Murdock2k
05-25-2004, 09:17 PM
Anything that you heard bad about Dell might be more in-line with their tech support or DOA parts or something.

But from a Specs perspective, the box should be more than able to handle the game. Though you will probably find that the 9800 Pro only plays this card at High settings, and reallly medium if you like nice smooth frames. VHQ settings will drag you down to the gutter on some maps.

So you should have a great time, but it amy not be perfect.

Fragger-
05-25-2004, 09:43 PM
I trust more my neighborhood mom-and-pop computer shop. Got the same thing for 800, but with a 9600XT. I use a Dell at work, though. Theyre pretty good, but pricey. You'll love FarCry on yours. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

http://www.planetsoldier.com/skinz/forums/mn/fcsiggy.jpg

jak9114
05-25-2004, 10:03 PM
I got the same card. I have my settings on very high with P4 3.2, 2 gb ram, and I get a decent frame rate. I do get some mouse lag, but not too bad. I'm sure setting somethings down to high would stop that, but its not choppy at all, and it's playable. I probably average 30-40, with a few dips down into the twenties.

P.T. Flea
05-26-2004, 02:43 PM
Thank you all for your replies. I needed to hear from people who actually own the game and play others regularly before I listened to anyone else. I kept hearing things like they added extra software that you don't need and that I should format and reinstall windows, but nobody ever told me things wouldn't work just fine on it. It didn't make sense that, because they added some extra things it wouldn't play other games or anything like that. Several told me frankly that "you won't get good gaming PC's from Dell", I wanted to know why, and nobody could tell me. Seemed to me, as long as its got the stats it should be able to play it one way or another.

Thanks all for your feedback, not only was this a question about Dell but it was also a test run allowing me to see where I needed to go if ever I had a problem with the actual game once I bought it. Now I know that if ever I need help with it, I'll be able to come here, and I should have several folks willing to help me out. See y'all around.

McBainVT
05-26-2004, 04:06 PM
jak9114 hate to break it to you but your computer should be getting more than 30-40 fps. Unless you have aa or af on. If you are running on 1024x768, no aa/af, very high settings I know you should be getting more frames. Just wanted to let you know that. And P.T. Flea there is nothing "wrong" with DELL. It should work fine. Although they do overcharged quite a bit but they usually run fine. Despite this you should update your drivers when you receive the computer. Also to warn you the SB Live 5.1 sound card has quite a few issues, Im not saying it will happen for sure but there is a chance you may have major audio problems. If that happens just come back here as there are dozens of posts about fixing sound problems with the SB Live 5.1 card. Finally to add, although I am not 100% sure of this but I have heard DELL often underclocks systems to make them more stable. Most regular customers wouldnt notice this underlock and would only notice if their computer had stability issues so DELL decides to be safe and underclock. Can anyone else confirm this?

Windows XP Home
nForce2 Deluxe Mobo
Amd Athlon 2800+ Barton Core
ATI Radeon 9700 pro
1gb Kingston HyperX PC3000
120gb WD HD 7200rpm
Soundblaster Live 5.1

Mad_Murdock2k
05-26-2004, 04:23 PM
McBainVT,

How much better frames do you think he should be getting ? The XT is no doubt better, but my 9800 Pro runs around and avg of 27-32 fps on the Cooler level, when set to VHQ, NoAA, NoAF,1024

Jake, if you would like to get a more accurate reading you can go here and download some timedemos and run them. Just be sure to note all your settings and report back to us on what you got.
http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11380&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=40.

I'll agree with McBain, that if you're getting 30-40 on levels like Research and Rebellion you probably need some tweaking.

Mcbain, you might be right, In the June issue of Computer Gaming World, they did a head to head matchup of 7 high-end "Gaming" systems. They had a Dell XPS 8300 (P4.3.2EE, 1GB of ram, Audigy2, 9800 Pro 128 meg) and it scored lowest of the group in all but one of the benchmarks. To be fair, and this makes no sense, the other 6 boxes where running either the 9800XT or the 5950 Ulta. So it's not a very good apples to apples comparison.

[This message was edited by Mad_Murdock2k on Wed May 26 2004 at 03:36 PM.]

McBainVT
05-26-2004, 04:52 PM
Mad_Murdock2k and jak9114 I would download benchemall and run the default demo on all of the resolutions and see what you get. Use max settings(doesn't have aa or af on I believe). Here are my scores:

Benchmark session result
Operating System: Windows XP Home Edition (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 1 (2600.xpsp2.030422-1633)
Processor: AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2800+, MMX, 3DNow, ~2.1GHz
Memory: 1024MB RAM
DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0b (4.09.0000.0902)
Card name: RADEON 9700 PRO (Omega 2.5.04)
Driver Version: 6.14.0010.6404 (English)

Detailed info dir:
C:\Program Files\BenchemAll\result\2004.05.23.14.05.56.\

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Far Cry

Using Max settings.
Map: Fort Demo: BenchemallDefaultDemo

640x480 not selected
800x600 not selected
1024x768
run# 0: Average FPS: 41.37
run# 1: Average FPS: 41.55

1280x1024
run# 0: Average FPS: 29.06
run# 1: Average FPS: 29.30

1600x1200
run# 0: Average FPS: 29.54
run# 1: Average FPS: 29.70

Windows XP Home
nForce2 Deluxe Mobo
Amd Athlon 2800+ Barton Core
ATI Radeon 9700 pro
1gb Kingston HyperX PC3000
120gb WD HD 7200rpm
Soundblaster Live 5.1

P.T. Flea
05-26-2004, 04:56 PM
Well I've gotten more advice from this place than I have from half the other tech-support or general gaming forums...huh, neat. Well I'll be sure to upgrade my drivers as soon as the PC arrives, I'll also be adding some security software as well, obviously. And if I have any problems with my audio, I know where to come for help.

jak9114
05-26-2004, 05:57 PM
Here ya go, I used Benchemall. I didn't try 1600x1200, since I don't use it anyway.

Benchmark session result
Operating System: Windows XP Home Edition (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 1 (2600.xpsp2.030422-1633)
Processor: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.20GHz (2 CPUs)
Memory: 2048MB RAM
DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0b (4.09.0000.0902)
Card name: RADEON 9800 PRO
Driver Version: 6.14.0010.6430 (English)

Detailed info dir:
C:\Program Files\BenchemAll\result\2004.05.26.19.42.33.\

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Far Cry

Using Max settings.
Map: Fort Demo: BenchemallDefaultDemo

640x480 not selected
800x600 not selected
1024x768
run# 0: Average FPS: 46.41
run# 1: Average FPS: 50.20
run# 2: Average FPS: 49.59

1280x1024
run# 0: Average FPS: 35.82
run# 1: Average FPS: 36.19
run# 2: Average FPS: 36.22

1600x1200 not selected

It's what I expected, I usually play at 1280x1024. Usually the indoor missions get a much higher framerate. I use vsync so it won't go over 75 fps.

Do you think they should be higher? I have an Intel 875 mobo since I don't like overclocking, and stability is far more important to me.

[This message was edited by jak9114 on Wed May 26 2004 at 05:11 PM.]

Mad_Murdock2k
05-26-2004, 06:48 PM
I have benchemall, I don't like it has much for some reason. Though Fort is a pretty good stress test map. I like the timedemos, because it does 3 different levels and it's what Tomshardware.com uses, so I can compare my results to his. With that said here are my Benchemall scores. I just ran at 1024x768 if that is acceptable.

Benchmark session result
Operating System: Windows 2000 Advanced Server (5.0, Build 2195) Service Pack 4
Processor: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.40GHz (2 CPUs)
Memory: 2046MB RAM
DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0b (4.09.0000.0902)
Card name: RADEON 9800 PRO
Driver Version: 6.14.0010.6444 (English)

Detailed info dir:
C:\Program Files\BenchemAll\result\2004.05.26.20.46.14.\

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Far Cry

Using Max settings.
Map: Fort Demo: BenchemallDefaultDemo

1024x768
run# 0: Average FPS: 44.51
run# 1: Average FPS: 45.04
run# 2: Average FPS: 44.35

Also, here's my 5900 score

Benchmark session result
Operating System: Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 1 (2600.xpsp2.030422-1633)
Processor: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.06GHz (2 CPUs)
Memory: 1024MB RAM
DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0b (4.09.0000.0902)
Card name: NVIDIA GeForce FX 5900
Driver Version: 6.14.0010.6072 (English)

Detailed info dir:
C:\Program Files\BenchemAll\result\2004.05.26.20.51.40.\

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Far Cry

Using Max settings.
Map: Fort Demo: BenchemallDefaultDemo

1024x768
run# 0: Average FPS: 39.72
run# 1: Average FPS: 40.41
run# 2: Average FPS: 40.16

[This message was edited by Mad_Murdock2k on Wed May 26 2004 at 05:58 PM.]

McBainVT
05-26-2004, 07:14 PM
mad your scores are low. no doubt. I would be interested to see some more people with 9800's post thought. Maybe my 9700 pro is freakishly good???

Windows XP Home
nForce2 Deluxe Mobo
Amd Athlon 2800+ Barton Core
ATI Radeon 9700 pro
1gb Kingston HyperX PC3000
120gb WD HD 7200rpm
Soundblaster Live 5.1

jak9114
05-26-2004, 07:21 PM
Hmm.. that is strange. Your 3.4 gets 4-5 less fps then my 3.2. Maybe its the OS. I also have an older driver then you. Could be just that.

Mad_Murdock2k
05-26-2004, 07:44 PM
Well, from the testing I did with the other demos. I ranged from a 3.2 to a 3.6Ghz and it made no difference with the FPS. it's all on the video card at VHQ. On medium, I started noticing a difference, Low is where I saw the biggest jump.

I'm only 4-5 fps lower than Jak, that's with-in the range of error. Could be that I'm using Win2k, could just be my cards a little slower than Jak. Mines a Sapphire, versus a made by ATI. For the X800XT, I'm going for the Made by ATI card.

Maybe I'll go back and try the Omega drivers see if they make a difference.

**Update. Well I just tried the Omega drivers and got the same score.

[This message was edited by Mad_Murdock2k on Wed May 26 2004 at 07:18 PM.]

McBainVT
05-26-2004, 08:36 PM
i am only 5 fps below you on 1024x768. You can see my system below. Nothing on my system is as good as yours... In my opinon something is wrong with both of your scores.

Windows XP Home
nForce2 Deluxe Mobo
Amd Athlon 2800+ Barton Core
ATI Radeon 9700 pro
1gb Kingston HyperX PC3000
120gb WD HD 7200rpm
Soundblaster Live 5.1

Mad_Murdock2k
05-26-2004, 08:41 PM
I'm not listening I'm not listening.

Well, now I'm at a dilema. Since Far Cry runs with no problems do I leave it alone and accept that I'm a tad slow, or do I start mucking with things and run the risk of getting the problems everyone else is seeing.

Oh well, I can always format and re-install.

Though if I look at this thread, the numbers match up pretty close to everyone else with a 9800 Pro.
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?q=Y&a=tpc&s=400102&f=452106891&m=707101243&p=1

jak9114
05-26-2004, 08:56 PM
Leave it alone!

I think our scores are typical. I know nothing about AMD chips, but some people with 3.2 and the same card got scores a little lower then mine, and the 9800 XT only got about 4 or 5 more at 1024. At least compared to the non overclocked machines. Mine is not overclocked.

If you mess with anything, I would just try different drivers.

[This message was edited by jak9114 on Wed May 26 2004 at 08:12 PM.]

McBainVT
05-27-2004, 04:01 PM
I should really reformat... it has been a year. I wonder how fast my computer would go then http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif.

Windows XP Home
nForce2 Deluxe Mobo
Amd Athlon 2800+ Barton Core
ATI Radeon 9700 pro
1gb Kingston HyperX PC3000
120gb WD HD 7200rpm
Soundblaster Live 5.1

Mad_Murdock2k
05-27-2004, 05:54 PM
Come on Jak, No guts no glory ! Messing with drivers only is for noobs !

I'm going to write my own version of DX9b to make the ATI cards work better. I'll call it MadX9800b! Yeah..that's what I'll do !

http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif

Mad_Murdock2k
05-27-2004, 09:51 PM
Dang it, all that tweaking and I got my first system hang after playing MP for about 45 mins.

There's a reason I knew better than to tweak a working system.

But to be fair, I then played another hour without any problems... But I got my eye on you mister omega driver http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

kozan27
05-28-2004, 10:23 AM
Alright mate. I just got almost exactly same specced computer from dell, cept with 80gb hard drive. Far Cry runs great, it autodetected very high on my machine but I turned down most settings to high/medium to get smooth gameplay all the time. Yeah, comes with old drivers for the graphics card, lemme know if you manage to uninstall the old ones without it automatically reinstalling them without promoting you on reset though! :P

jak9114
05-28-2004, 02:53 PM
after you uninstall the driver and control panel, delete their folders too. One folder in 'program files', and one under the 'c' drive.

Mad_Murdock2k
05-28-2004, 03:50 PM
dang it..Got my 2nd lockup now. Again after about 45 mins of play. Bye ye Omega drivers...ATI cats here I come

jak9114
05-28-2004, 08:20 PM
My old man always told me if it ain't broke, don't fix it!

I've never tried the Omega drivers. I heard they can be useful, but for the 2 or so years I've had ATI, I haven't had any major problems with Catalyst's. It's pretty funny, I had a Nvidia card before I got the 9500 pro, and everyone told me to stay away from ATI because their drivers suck. But I had all sorts of driver related problems with the Nvidia drivers after 30.82, and just about none with the ATI.

Did you get any increase in fps after the reformat?

Mad_Murdock2k
05-28-2004, 11:49 PM
I didn't format. I just went back to the ATI CAT 4.5 drivers and so far no crashing after about 3 hours of play.

I believe starting with the 9x00 family ATI really got their act together on drivers. Of course, they got caught cheating with the 8500 drivers for certain benchmarks. So their only option was to do it right. I never owne4d an ATI card until the 9800 so I don't know how bad it was before

Everybody says, if it ain't broke don't fix it. But with that attitude, you wouldn't change the oil in your car until it came to a screeching halt.

Since I just built this machine less than 2 months ago, I really don't think a format is going to do much for me. I can handle being 5-10 fps slower then the top guy.