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XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 03:42 PM
A man walked in to my interent cafe and asked me to scan a picture of a harrier he had taken. Its an amazing picture and im not sure how to show you all so if someone emails me ill send them the pic to add to the forum as i think you will all be impressed.


Regards

Dave
babydave101@hotmail.com

XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 03:42 PM
A man walked in to my interent cafe and asked me to scan a picture of a harrier he had taken. Its an amazing picture and im not sure how to show you all so if someone emails me ill send them the pic to add to the forum as i think you will all be impressed.


Regards

Dave
babydave101@hotmail.com

XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 03:55 PM
Comeon someone help its taken in morth wales on top of a hill above the plane with a truck directly behind and below it.

XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 04:35 PM
You have mail

XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 05:11 PM
Ehhh, have you got the ok from this guy to publish his photo? - Otherwise I'd call it a breach of confidentiality. Just asking.

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junkiee
10-23-2003, 05:30 PM
Just post it at a low res like 800x600 and nobody gets hurt.

XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 05:32 PM
Are you his doctor or lawyer? Is this a public cafe? Then I suspect he has no reason to believe anything performed in there is confidential.

If I go to Kinko's to get something copied, I know there is a risk of it being seen by others eyes.

Just my perspective.

XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 05:36 PM
Try here flanker@abv.bg

XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 05:38 PM
www.biohazcentral.com (http://www.biohazcentral.com)

our forum software allows you the ability to uplaod a pic into a forum post direvtly from your pc. You dont need to remote link it, like the UBI forums require.

Salute!

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XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 06:33 PM
Air_Grunt wrote:
- Are you his doctor or lawyer? Is this a public
- cafe? Then I suspect he has no reason to believe
- anything performed in there is confidential.
-
- If I go to Kinko's to get something copied, I know
- there is a risk of it being seen by others eyes.
-
- Just my perspective.


The question is whether it is "the right thing to do" and I'd say definitely not if the owner has not been asked. It's really very simple.

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XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 06:37 PM
Freycinet wrote:

- The question is whether it is "the right thing to
- do" and I'd say definitely not if the owner has not
- been asked. It's really very simple.
-
- Freycinet

I agree with Freycinet, this person didn't have you scan his photos so you can show it on the net...IMHO this just would not be right and I would not allow it here.


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junkiee
10-23-2003, 07:54 PM
So how would you know?

Will you delete every post that has a pic of a Harrier? :P

XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 08:10 PM
junkiee wrote:
- So how would you know?
-
- Will you delete every post that has a pic of a
- Harrier? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif
-


Its one thing to just post a picture without commenting on the copyright or confidentiality, but its an entirely different thing to as good as admit that you are violating someones rights.
You can't expect moderators to check on all pictures posted in this forum but if you actually tell them that you will be posting a picture that you havn't got legal or moral right to post, I for one would expect the moderators to delete it.

regrads,

Germ

junkiee
10-23-2003, 08:33 PM
http://luke.megagis.lt/AirExtreme/AV8/021.jpg


http://luke.megagis.lt/AirExtreme/AV8/016.jpg


http://luke.megagis.lt/AirExtreme/AV8/022.jpg

XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 08:40 PM
Nice Pics!



Salute!

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XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 08:42 PM
Get ye to USENET.


alt.binaries.pictures.aviation

alt.binaries.pictures.military


both these binary newsgroups are a fantastic source of photographs, mostly taken by active airforce/military personnel.

There have even been a speight of LOMAC screenshots posted to the groups in recent days.

Mk

XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 11:30 PM
Hey junkiee you trying to make a point? here let me make one...PM headed your way..


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Message Edited on 10/23/0304:46PM by Dice-man

XyZspineZyX
10-23-2003, 11:35 PM
Hey... Of those three pics of the harriers... The one in the middle, over the mountains. What's those squarish vent looking things near the top of the fu****e, between the elevator and wing. Haven't seen those before...

Znapel

britgliderpilot
10-24-2003, 12:36 AM
- Hey... Of those three pics of the harriers... The
- one in the middle, over the mountains. What's those
- squarish vent looking things near the top of the
- fu****e, between the elevator and wing. Haven't
- seen those before...

Interesting question . . . hadn't observed those before.

The thing that interests me about that one is the short nose - looks rather more like an early Harrier than one of the AV8-B versions, or indeed the later British ones . . . all of which had bigger radars shoehorned into them. That looks like a pretty early one to me . . .


What's the difference between an AV8 and a British Harrier?



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XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 12:46 AM
znapel wrote:
- Hey... Of those three pics of the harriers... The
- one in the middle, over the mountains. What's those
- squarish vent looking things near the top of the
- fu****e, between the elevator and wing. Haven't
- seen those before...
-
- Znapel
-
-

At a guess I'd say Chaff and flare dispensers, but I'm usually wrong http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 01:39 AM
isn't the AV8 the carrier version?

britgliderpilot
10-24-2003, 01:55 AM
- isn't the AV8 the carrier version?

IIRC, the US only operates the Harrier from carriers (hoho) . . . and the AV8 is the only US version of the Harrier.

So yes, as far as the US is concerned.


As far as the Brits (and Indians, apparently) are concerned, the AV8 in any variant isn't quite the same as a British Harrier.

The original Harriers were land-based - designed for battlefield ops in central Europe.

There was a pointy-nosed seaborne version developed for our carriers, which India now operates from one of our old carriers . . . apparently the keel was laid for that one in the forties. Amazing, isn't it?

Further developments, many of them . . . now the version we're at at the moment mostly seems to be the same, but I don't think they're all the same still. AV8B, Harrier 2, GR7, GR9 . . . blurgh.

I think I have the basic story . . . anyone want to elaborate or provide corrections?



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XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 02:07 AM
Dice-man wrote:
- Hey junkiee you trying to make a point? here let me
- make one...PM headed your way..

oh, oh! Can I have a PM too, diceman? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 02:19 AM
lucasdigital wrote:
- Get ye to USENET.
-
-
- alt.binaries.pictures.aviation
-
- alt.binaries.pictures.military
-
-
- both these binary newsgroups are a fantastic source
- of photographs, mostly taken by active
- airforce/military personnel.
-
- There have even been a speight of LOMAC screenshots
- posted to the groups in recent days.
-
- Mk
-
-


If I was to go into a copy place to get my pictures scanned and found them later on the web, I would be FUMING P*SSED. Just my $0.02.

XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 04:32 AM
Roger_Ramjet wrote:
- znapel wrote:
-- Hey... Of those three pics of the harriers... The
-- one in the middle, over the mountains. What's those
-- squarish vent looking things near the top of the
-- fu****e, between the elevator and wing. Haven't
-- seen those before...
--
-- Znapel
--
--
-
- At a guess I'd say Chaff and flare dispensers, but
- I'm usually wrong http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
-
-

Found a link on a modeling page that confirms that's what they are. Must be new. I don't remember seeing those before and they kinda stick out. If I'm not mistaken, I believe I remember reading about lack of chaff/flares on earlier Harriers. I believe what some pilots did during the Falklands campaign to get around this was stick a pack of it in the speed brake. If they needed it, they'd pop the brake open and out comes the chaff. Field engineering ; P

Znapel

XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 04:53 AM
Look, it's not like it's a picture of the guy's wife or family. This argument is ridiculous. It is pictures of a well known and well photographed plane. If you go into somewhere and scan or copy something, you should have no reasonable expectation of privacy. After all it's not like these folks that work there are signing a non-disclosure agreement with you.

If I talk on a pay phone, I assume that I may be monitered.

If I leave my house, I expect that my actions will be seen by others.

If I am typing on my computer I assume that my keystrokes could be logged.

And last but not least if I take my film to the 1 hour photo I assume that people will see them, and I have no guarantee that they will not be published somewhere.

We are living in the information age people, you are not guaranteed privacy anywhere at any time. Sad maybe!! But reality none the less.


At any rate do what you will with the pics, this topic took on a whole life of it's own so I don't care anymore, if I need to see AV8 pics, I'll do a google.



Semper Fi!!

XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 08:55 AM
I scan other peoples pictures almost every day of my life, and I would never post those pictures on the internet, no matter how brilliant, funny, disgusting or whatever. Sure, I consider it, but I always come back to the fact that I am breaching an unsaid trust. I scan pictures of almost everything, people boats cars dogs birds even boobs (woohoo!), and most of them are the customer's personal photographs (except the boobs.. well i dont think they are..) For all you know, he could be entering that photo into a photography contest. That's an extreme hypothetical, but the point is still valid. Anyway, you just shoulda said, I got this cool pic, how can I post it. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

The Gigler
10-24-2003, 09:11 AM
I have some awesome pics of a stealth Bomber if anyne is interested.


Gigler Out!

XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 12:43 PM
Air_Grunt wrote:
- Look, it's not like it's a picture of the guy's wife
- or family. This argument is ridiculous. It is
- pictures of a well known and well photographed
- plane. If you go into somewhere and scan or copy
- something, you should have no reasonable expectation
- of privacy. After all it's not like these folks
- that work there are signing a non-disclosure
- agreement with you.
-
- If I talk on a pay phone, I assume that I may be
- monitered.
-
- If I leave my house, I expect that my actions will
- be seen by others.
-
- If I am typing on my computer I assume that my
- keystrokes could be logged.
-
- And last but not least if I take my film to the 1
- hour photo I assume that people will see them, and I
- have no guarantee that they will not be published
- somewhere.
-
- We are living in the information age people, you are
- not guaranteed privacy anywhere at any time. Sad
- maybe!! But reality none the less.
-
-
- At any rate do what you will with the pics, this
- topic took on a whole life of it's own so I don't
- care anymore, if I need to see AV8 pics, I'll do a
- google.
-
-
-
- Semper Fi!!
-
-



Apart from being paranoid, you are also very wrong.
Your arguments come down to this: just because you have no garantee that people won't betray you trust
you can have no expectation of privacy.
It seems pretty obviuous to me that you can't have any garantees but you argument is weak. By the same standard you have no garantee against being robbed and shot when you use a cash-dispenser but if its happens its fine because that is what some people do.


- We are living in the information age people, you are
- not guaranteed privacy anywhere at any time. Sad
- maybe!! But reality none the less.
-


I might agree that the life isn't allways what we would like it to be, but behaving like idiot just because somebody else might, is the sorryist excuse for just being one in the first place that I have ever heard.

btw: the number of pictures taken of any object or person has no bearing on the copyright issues. I won't even try to give examples. If you are not able to figure them out yourself this post was pointless in the first place /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif ...probably was anyways

regards
germ

XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 01:14 PM
I think you guys are making a bit too big a deal out of this. First thing you assumed that he didn't have permission. Secondly, if he said he had permission how could you verify that. Also if you post any picture from any source without having permission of the author you are committing the same offense. If I post a picture from fas.org then I also am violating rights. The picture may be published on the internet but the author only published it on that site. Unless to picture says may be used in the public domain without permission then you can't post any picture without permission.

As easy as it is to assume he took the picture without permission. It is as easy to assume he said, Wow that's a great picture. Could I have a copy? 9 times out of 10 the person will give you a copy. If you think that people that work at photo places don't use pictures then you are mistaken. My friend's family owns a photo place and well, let's just say I know own a digital camera and print my own pictures /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

I don't happen to agree if he posted it without permission but i'm not going to have a fit over it

XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 02:46 PM
Indy_BIA wrote:
- I think you guys are making a bit too big a deal out
- of this. First thing you assumed that he didn't have
- permission. Secondly, if he said he had permission
- how could you verify that. Also if you post any
- picture from any source without having permission of
- the author you are committing the same offense. If I
- post a picture from fas.org then I also am violating
- rights. The picture may be published on the internet
- but the author only published it on that site.
- Unless to picture says may be used in the public
- domain without permission then you can't post any
- picture without permission.
-
- As easy as it is to assume he took the picture
- without permission. It is as easy to assume he said,
- Wow that's a great picture. Could I have a copy? 9
- times out of 10 the person will give you a copy. If
- you think that people that work at photo places
- don't use pictures then you are mistaken. My
- friend's family owns a photo place and well, let's
- just say I know own a digital camera and print my
- own pictures /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
-
- I don't happen to agree if he posted it without
- permission but i'm not going to have a fit over it
-
-

If you are reffering to me; well I wasn't having a fit. You show that you are are aware of the legallities as well as reality... Ait Grunt didn't in my oppinion.

I am not unaware of reality, but violating someones rights isn't right just because its common.


hmm ... said my piece - back to flying /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 02:57 PM
Obviously, it was the best way to chase a new member off the ubi-board by "just assuming" that he doesn't have the permission to publish that picture.

Hopefully he'll be better welcomed on the Biohaz forum, just like Mr.Mudd did in here.

Even if the original poster would say : "yes, i have the permission"... would you ask him for a written permission or for licensed papers? DOH!

Cheers, Mike

XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 05:14 PM
Yeah he was in thismorning and its fine to put on here. Actualy got it up in the aviation forum. He said he got loads of pics and we are going to get some more online.

XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 06:51 PM
I wasn't really refering to anybody /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif Just saying before anybody wants to cut his head off at least let the man respond /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif Sadly people in the forum are really quick to flame instead of thinking things out. But like you said let's all get back to flying /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

XyZspineZyX
10-25-2003, 12:19 AM
Seems the majority here thinks that it's OK to publish somebody's photo without asking, just because it's TECHNICALLY possible,.. What a sorry lot you are. Hope you'll get a big bad surprise one day because somebody breached your privacy, you deserve it.

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XyZspineZyX
10-25-2003, 12:22 AM
PS, this is no critique of Davoidreynolds who got the permission from the guy (as he should, OF COURSE) but of the people who thought it would be ok to publish someone else's photo jut because they'd be able to.

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XyZspineZyX
10-25-2003, 12:25 AM
Here's the link to the post in the Aviation Forum:

http://forums.ubi.com/messages/message_view-topic.asp?name=lomac_ma&id=zyujt


DrCR

XyZspineZyX
10-25-2003, 06:28 AM
Freycinet wrote:
- Seems the majority here thinks that it's OK to
- publish somebody's photo without asking, just
- because it's TECHNICALLY possible,.. What a sorry
- lot you are. Hope you'll get a big bad surprise one
- day because somebody breached your privacy, you
- deserve it.

Only a question: were you that photographed "The First Heavier-Than-Air" to publish it in the Internet?

XyZspineZyX
10-25-2003, 07:01 AM
Wow Dice, give the guy a break! He's right, are you going to delete every post with pics of harrier? heh /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

MrMudd, I am coming over to your site ASAP! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
10-25-2003, 07:55 AM
Dice-man wrote:
- Hey junkiee you trying to make a point? here let me
- make one...PM headed your way..
-
-
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- /A>
-
- Message Edited on 10/23/03 04:46PM by Dice-man

This place is getting ridiculous. I havne't read or posted here in weeks because of the childish BS I'd seen which slowed down a bit when the demo came out, but then picked up again. So I come back today and I see this....the peope posting are getting silly, and the moderators (which are multiplying like rabbits apparently) are getting overly sensitive and very heavy handed, as in this little exchange right here. Pathetic. I've had quite enough. Good riddance to this forum.


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XyZspineZyX
10-25-2003, 12:17 PM
You are so funny Freycinet...

Please show us your licensed papers for the Ellehammer picture you are using in your signature, because there's no single doubt about it that this picture is copyrighted.


Freycinet wrote:
- PS, this is no critique of Davoidreynolds who got
- the permission from the guy (as he should, OF
- COURSE) but of the people who thought it would be ok
- to publish someone else's photo jut because they'd
- be able to.
-
- Freycinet

Charlie_52ndVFW
10-25-2003, 12:26 PM
Indeed.

The site with his sig picture:
http://www.ctie.monash.edu.au/hargrave/ellehammer.html

The copyright notice:
Copyright 1999-2002 CTIE - All Rights Reserved

Changing the color in photoshop does not releave you from copyright violation.


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XyZspineZyX
10-25-2003, 02:20 PM
This one has gone far enough.


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