<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by hazards32:
Toranagasama 1, i fail to see how ati are whacking it to nvidea .The information you have posted seems to say the 6600 is quieter and faster in farcry. Now the reviewer can moan about driver optimization and other rubbish but i only believe the numbers i see . <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Hmmm...how do you explain things to one who fails to see?
Anyway, I'll make this quick and simple, but....
First, ATI started wacking it to Nvidia with the 8500, which not *fully* up to par with Nvida at the time, the card did demonstrate the potential of the design by running AA with better image quality and, if I recall faster with AA turned on.
Secondly, begining with the next generation 9700 pro, ATI really began to wack it to Nvidia. The 9700 pro not only provided superior imaga quality, but it did so while being FASTER!!
From this point onward, virtually, every card ATI sold, was a card Nvida DIDN'T sell. THIS is *Wacking* of the first order.
Until the 6800 series, Nvidia had no true response, except clever efforts at dis-information, which is not to say that ATI hasn't dabled with a bit of dis-information, they have. Yet, the 9800 pro series was the opening of the coffin.
When analyzing the 6800 series, one has to realize that Nvidia only capble of matching ATI by *rushing* a new design to market BEFORE it was ready. This is exampled by the original 6800's oversized die, which required TWO external power connection, and operated with too much heat. This design was not ready for prime time, but Nvida *HAD* to release it.
ATI, in response, simply tweaked their existing designed and matched Nvidia's new design. Unless, you have a grasp upon the technology behind the cards, you will "fail to see" the significance of this. Let me help, Nvidia came with a rushed *new* design; ATI responsed with further tweaking of its existing 2 (or 3) year old design. This is WACKING!!!
Thirdly, the announcement of the x700 series, along with the x600 and x800 series demonstrates that ATI is fully geared up for the transition to PCIx.
As a *company* ATI is out front, and continuing to extend its lead. You may or may not like it or use it, but the new Control Panel interface, along with the upcoming *automatic* driver update* feature is HUGE! You may not comprehend the reality of this, but it is HUGE, and has (computer) industry wide ramifications. They are out front, if and/or when they get this to work flawlessly, they will have just made owning and using a computer ALOT!! easier. This is akin to Microsoft introducing *Plug and Play" technology, and will trickle down to every component in your system!
Additionally, ATI has announced the development of its own motherboard Chipset. Before this announcement, I thought Nvida might survive to fight another day (and they just well might), but this announcement SHOUTS the fact that ATI plans to do to Nvida what Nvidia did to 3Dfx. ATI is attacking Nvidia on ALL its business fronts. Wack, Wack, Wack!
[NOTE: For a time now, there has been serious believable talk that ATI has its next gen design already ready, but in a strategic decision have decided NOT to release it, as it hasn't been needed in order for them to continue to WACK it to Nvidia. Futher talk is that ATI has decided to **SKIP** the release of this generation and push the development and release of the following generation.
If they are successful, then ATI will be TWO generations ahead in the graphic race. If this comes to pass then Nvidia will not be able to continue as a viable business entity (a bit of hypbole perhaps). Unless Nvidia can maintain their Chipset/xBox business (or development new avenues) things look dark, (but then as I stated above, here comes ATI, again!)
The question is not *if*, but *when* will ATI release the *skipped* generation card. My wager is upon the release of HL2 and/or about Christmas. This is not *wacking*, but preparing the nails for the coffin.]
The above is generally how I see it, and how I'm planning on placing my *money* bets. I've still got a good deal of homework before putting my money down, but this is the direction. The Caveate regarding ATI is that they have a LOT of balls in the air, and need to execute on all fronts. At some point before Christmas, I'll be posting a much deeper analysis over at Silicon Investor/Techstocks.com.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Darrick ,you can buy machines with 2 graphics cards in them , I fail to see how it is neccessary at the moment as the x800xt pe and 6800ultra can run all current games at excellent fps and detail .When unreal3 is released and more powerful gpu's are required it might be neccesary.
I have heard of stuff called SLI by nvidea .This is 2 gpu chips on 1 card to boost performance (and price too ). Not available yet ,so we will have to wait and see if it is worthwhile . <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
As you can ONLY "...go by what you see....", as you state, you "fail to see" ALOT!!!
Regarding SLI mode, how about running FC at 1600x1200x32 at 100 fps!!?? Or, how about at 2048x1536x32?? with ALL settings at ULTRA, including AA and AF maxed along with Trilinear (or something even better)!!??
But then, you probably have an LCD, and, consequently, as you state you "fail to see" alot.
[Don't take any of the above as an insult, as I'm just *punning* you.]
Oh, almost forgot,
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>The information you have posted seems to say the 6600 is quieter and faster in farcry. Now the reviewer can moan about driver optimization and other rubbish but i only believe the numbers i see . <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I'm not sure what you mean by the 6600 being "quieter"??
I'm not sure how to diplomatically, approach the fact that you "believe the numbers that you see". Did you look at the Chart? Did you read, carefully, the comment regarding what the Chart indicated?
Simply put, from 1 to 151 seconds Nvidia's 6600GT has the advantage, after 151 the cards are neck and neck. So, for ONLY ~2.5 minutes Nvidia has the advantage. This is an oddity! Notable, also, was that the x700 had problems running with AA/AF. Problems in an area, where ATI's offerings have been superior, or, at worst, equal with the SAME core design. The x700 is not a new design its the same design dumbed down to meet a price point.
Get real, the x700 tested was a *preview* version, NOT a release version, and was tested with the 4.9 Cats!! Which, obviously, hasn't been fully tweaked for the x700. Also, notable was that the test was done with FC 1.1, and not 1.2!
So, the question is, how will the *RELEASE* version x700 compare utilizing 5.0 drivers, and why would ATI allow *preview* testing, when they already know how the card will perform?
Answer: Cause they know the card has not been "optimized" yet, and will be upon release, and that HardOCP will then retest the card, and everyone can go *wow*, look at ATI kicking *** again!
Anyway, this post is MUCH longer than I intended, believe whatever you want.
JFYI, look how far NVDA's stock price has fallen: Wack! Wack! (http://quotes.nasdaq.com/quote.dll?page=charting&mode=basics&selected=NVDA&symbol=NVDA)
Note the drop from about 15 to about 8!!!
Hmmm...think I just saw an exploitable pattern, gotta do the homework!
Here's the ATI Chart (http://quotes.nasdaq.com/quote.dll?page=charting&mode=basics&symbol=ATYT%60&selected=ATYT%60)
~ToranagaSama