Hate crimes only white on black?

[XyZspineZyX]

Ok, this article is kind of old, but it states this pretty well:

http://www.sierratimes.com/archive/files/aug/06/turner.htm

It's one of the things that REALLY piss me off, when freakin moron imbeciles think racism only goes one way and only against the blacks. They need to freakin burn to prevent the stupidity from spreading.

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--Capt. Carter: "You think it might be a booby trap?"
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--"I'm a bomb technician, if you see me running, try to catch up" -in Russian on a bomb tech's shirt from "The Sum of All Fears"
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[XyZspineZyX]

Ok, this article is kind of old, but it states this pretty well:

http://www.sierratimes.com/archive/files/aug/06/turner.htm

It's one of the things that REALLY piss me off, when freakin moron imbeciles think racism only goes one way and only against the blacks. They need to freakin burn to prevent the stupidity from spreading.

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--"General Hammond, request permission to beat the crap out of this man." -Col. Jack O'Neill -Stargate SG-1
--Capt. Carter: "You think it might be a booby trap?"
â â Teal'c: "Booby?"
--"I'm a bomb technician, if you see me running, try to catch up" -in Russian on a bomb tech's shirt from "The Sum of All Fears"
--"All my life, I've been waiting for someone and when I find her, she's a fish!" -Tom Hanks "Splash"
--"War is not about who's right, it's about who's left." -Anders Russell
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[XyZspineZyX]

I have alot of Black friends and we joke about it sometimes, but we have no problems. I beleive that some people who accuse others of racism are trying to take advantage of the system, kinda like the fat people suing Mcdees cause they got fat.

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[XyZspineZyX]

I can't believe it's still a aproblem.

But you know what, the group that gets the biggest raw deal are the White anglo-saxon, heterosexual, middle-class, males.

We have to be nice to everyone while putting up with crap from every minority group on the planet.

I won't get into it but I'm sure plenty of you know what I mean.

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[XyZspineZyX]

I doubt it but I can't sepak from experience.

[XyZspineZyX]

Well said, Ash, took the words right from my fingertips.

Indeed, I feel horribly for the actions those who passed their bloodline on to me, however I am not one of those people. Why must I take the crap?

Why can we not just judge people not on race or color, but on what they bring to the table as far as character goes. I try to do that; I only wish the rest of the world (ALL races) would do the same.



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[XyZspineZyX]

I AM a minority, but I'm sick of the minorities who take advantage of the fact that the stronger group will always be held accountable. Like I mentioned in another post, this mentality translates to everything:

USA vs. any weaker country, which is basically all of them if you speak militarily. The USA will ALWAYS receive the criticism and the blame.

Israel vs. Palestine = Israel will receive all the scrutiny, blame, and criticism, while the Palestinians would be given the benefit of the doubt.

If the UK would wage war on any weaker country, the UK will receive all the scrutiny and criticism.

Same domestically:

White vs. any minority = White will always be held accountable.

I'm sick of people taking advantage of this fact, because they know that there's almost no chance they can be accused of racism, they will be able to do anything. Then they know if they don't get what they want, they can easily scream "racism" and get the public's attention.

What I notice here where I live is that a lot of fast food restaurants have changed management within the past 3 years or so. The trend that I notice is that before the change, the manager might have been white or hispanic, and the people working there would be a mix of all races, mainly spanish, black, and white. Basically all kids that are doing this as a first job. Then, the restaurants that switched over to black management (not all cases, I'm not saying only black people do this, calm down, this is a specific example), all of a sudden, within 2 weeks of the change, I noticed that all the non-black employees were fired, and replaced by all black employees. Now these certain few fast-food restaurants are staffed by ONLY black people.

Now, the second a company has only white employees, the media and affirmative action would jump all over them. But this is STILL going on now and nobody says a peep!! This is freakin ridiculous, and you noticed that they didn't even attempt to cover it up, they didn't hire one white person to make it seem like nothing fishy is going on. Nor did they wait a substantial period of time to get rid of their non-black employees. Basically, they just did it blatantly and outright, with no regard for consequences because they KNEW nothing will be done about it.

One of my friends was let go because of this, and he told me basically all the non-black people he worked with were given a notice to leave all at the same time frame. How outrageous!

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--"General Hammond, request permission to beat the crap out of this man." -Col. Jack O'Neill -Stargate SG-1
--Capt. Carter: "You think it might be a booby trap?"
â â Teal'c: "Booby?"
--"I'm a bomb technician, if you see me running, try to catch up" -in Russian on a bomb tech's shirt from "The Sum of All Fears"
--"All my life, I've been waiting for someone and when I find her, she's a fish!" -Tom Hanks "Splash"
--"War is not about who's right, it's about who's left." -Anders Russell
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[XyZspineZyX]

And unfortunatly, it is exactly the situations as described in the example that promotes race hate.

It's a self defeating thing. If you say you are different and act as though you are different don't complain when people treat you as different.


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[XyZspineZyX]

What pisses me off is the double standards. Seems like as long as you aren't white, you can get away with makes racist comments/jokes etc. but the second a white person does it they are all of a sudden an evil bigot.

The same thing often happens with crime statistics. For example in Toronto there have been a lot of shootings within the past year, many of them caused by Jamaican immigrants... Of course this is immediately dismissed as racism. But when Micheal Moore writes a book called "Stupid White Men", its suddenly OK to bash white men...



Got to be careful here though, because the second you start pointing this stuff out, some people start to overreact and call you racist... even though you're exactly the opposite.

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[XyZspineZyX]

"they are all of a sudden an evil bigot"

Actually, not to get all technical, and not to flame you, just informing you so you'll know in the future, but bigotry is discrimination against a group or individual based on their religious beliefs, not their race. Just FYI.

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--"General Hammond, request permission to beat the crap out of this man." -Col. Jack O'Neill -Stargate SG-1
--Capt. Carter: "You think it might be a booby trap?"
â â Teal'c: "Booby?"
--"I'm a bomb technician, if you see me running, try to catch up" -in Russian on a bomb tech's shirt from "The Sum of All Fears"
--"All my life, I've been waiting for someone and when I find her, she's a fish!" -Tom Hanks "Splash"
--"War is not about who's right, it's about who's left." -Anders Russell
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[XyZspineZyX]

The term "bigot" can be applied in this case, DM:

Bigot: One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.



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[XyZspineZyX]

hey, you can have a black acheivment day and you are ok

you can have a female acheivment day and you are ok

you can have a chinese, japanese, african day and you are ok

but have a WHITE acheivment day and you are labeled a racist,

and I for one am sick of it. I do not hate other races, never have never will, You need to give me a good reason not to like you, not just the color of your skin. But every time I say I am proud to be white, I am labeled like I wear a sheet and burn crosses. So I say this to any one that has used the race card to get somewhere in life:



GROW UP.

[XyZspineZyX]

Dannik, in all practical uses, it's meant for religion. If it was race, there's already a word for that, it's called "racist."

I know I was getting technical, but don't all go www.dictionary.com (http://www.dictionary.com) on me, geez.

Edit: I don't get where this urge to prove people wrong come from. I was just informing Dirk how that word is normally used and accepted for future reference, you're like "ooh, look what I found, you're wrong, ooh biggie." Give it a rest, it seems everyone on these boards are so vindictive.

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--"General Hammond, request permission to beat the crap out of this man." -Col. Jack O'Neill -Stargate SG-1
--Capt. Carter: "You think it might be a booby trap?"
â â Teal'c: "Booby?"
--"I'm a bomb technician, if you see me running, try to catch up" -in Russian on a bomb tech's shirt from "The Sum of All Fears"
--"All my life, I've been waiting for someone and when I find her, she's a fish!" -Tom Hanks "Splash"
--"War is not about who's right, it's about who's left." -Anders Russell
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Message Edited on 04/15/0312:35AM by Demon_Mustang

[XyZspineZyX]

"you can have a chinese, japanese, african day and you are ok"

Well, for real life, name a day for the Chinese that's celebrated by Americans. Don't even say Chinese new years, the most they do there is have drawings of cute stubby chinese people in Google.com, there's Black History Month, where's Chinese History Month, Japanese History Month, or Native American Month?

I'm sorry, no offense to the black community, but they DO have much more interesting histories. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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--"General Hammond, request permission to beat the crap out of this man." -Col. Jack O'Neill -Stargate SG-1
--Capt. Carter: "You think it might be a booby trap?"
â â Teal'c: "Booby?"
--"I'm a bomb technician, if you see me running, try to catch up" -in Russian on a bomb tech's shirt from "The Sum of All Fears"
--"All my life, I've been waiting for someone and when I find her, she's a fish!" -Tom Hanks "Splash"
--"War is not about who's right, it's about who's left." -Anders Russell
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[XyZspineZyX]

Demon_Mustang wrote:
- Edit: I don't get where this urge to prove people
- wrong come from. I was just informing Dirk how that
- word is normally used and accepted for future
- reference, you're like "ooh, look what I found,
- you're wrong, ooh biggie." Give it a rest, it seems
- everyone on these boards are so vindictive.

Perhaps you misunderstood my intention. You had informed someone that their usage of the English language was incorrect, which was an error on your part. There was certainly nothing vindictive in my simple reply correcting your correction.

If you somehow read malice into my post, I do apologize, but be assured that my statement was literally true, and posted with no indication of any intent other than what it literally was. A simple correction. I did not correct your opinion, but your simple, well intended but mistaken comment.

Now, if you actually belive that I'm hopping up and down and trying to find things to jump other posters for, you clearly have no idea who I am.

If you would like to futher continue this conversation, please feel free to contact me via PM. I'll argue politics in the forum, but I really don't care for any personal attacks to be raised in said manner. I did not attack you, but you seem to feel that I did, or have in the past.

I assure you, I don't have the time nor inclination for that sort of thing. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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[XyZspineZyX]

great post Demon, have to agree with you, the hate crime laws are completely idiotic since they are only enforced a certain way and against certain people.

[XyZspineZyX]

Posting so Demon doesn't think all I do is stalk him and correct his use of language. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Many years ago, when I was still in school, I had a friend who was attempting to find a placement to apprentice in electrical engineering. He was fully qualified, but it was a small city, and didn't have a lot of shops that could offer a full apprentice program... except for our local hospital.

He worked there through co-operative education programs for two years, and the electrical department finally posted an opening for a first year apprentice. Of course, my friend applied. He was rejected.

The official reason? Because the hospital received some public funding, they had to hire in a "fair, balanced way" meaning consideration for all applicants had to go to those who were female, visible minorities, and/or disabled.

The problem was, there were no applicants that fit the bill, but policy was policy. He was turned away, being the only actual qualified applicant, because he didn't fit the mandated profile required to ensure funding. They never actually hired anyone, and took down the posting.

Another example of how discrimination is mandated against some, and criminal against others. The double standard rides again!

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[XyZspineZyX]

I think hate crime legislation is a joke. A crime is a crime, period. Simply enforce the law, punish where applicable and be done with it. Setting up special statutes for "hate" crime is absolutely ridiculous and plays into the entitlement mindset that some people exhibit; believing they should be more protected than others because of their special status. It isn't "hate" crime, it's simply crime.


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[XyZspineZyX]

Well Dannik, not to be the one that says "you're wrong." But your accusation of my incorrectness is incorrect. I am very well aware of what the dictionary definition of bigot is. I am also aware of the real practical uses of such words. There are specific words used for every specific type of prejudice. Yet many of them can be defined to cover a broad area. Bigot is a word USED (not defined) as a noun for someone who discriminates based on religion.

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--Capt. Carter: "You think it might be a booby trap?"
â â Teal'c: "Booby?"
--"I'm a bomb technician, if you see me running, try to catch up" -in Russian on a bomb tech's shirt from "The Sum of All Fears"
--"All my life, I've been waiting for someone and when I find her, she's a fish!" -Tom Hanks "Splash"
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Can someone please help me understand what is a Hate crime?
is there a love crime. If a white guy breaks a bat over a black guys head or a white guy's head does it mean he hated the black guy but just dislike the white guy? I mean lets get real here. Guys like Louie Farhakan, Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton to name the top 3, are doing more to increase the hate between the two groups,then showing true leadership.These guys have more hate in them then probably some people in the KKK.

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[XyZspineZyX]

I am not at all defending the KKK because they are a bunch of asses (can't say what I wanted to say about them). But funny as it may be, there is actually a small group or faction of the KKK that likes all races. Haha, trust me, I'm not kidding. They believe in White pride, but at the same time they have no problem with any other races. They don't believe that White people are superior, just that if there can be pride in being black, there can be pride in being white too, and that' what they talk about mainly. How proud they are of their own race, while never saying anything bad about other races.

Of course this does not represent the majority of the KKK, they are like borderline, hehe.

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--Capt. Carter: "You think it might be a booby trap?"
â â Teal'c: "Booby?"
--"I'm a bomb technician, if you see me running, try to catch up" -in Russian on a bomb tech's shirt from "The Sum of All Fears"
--"All my life, I've been waiting for someone and when I find her, she's a fish!" -Tom Hanks "Splash"
--"War is not about who's right, it's about who's left." -Anders Russell
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Apparently a few of the KKK's senior members identify themselves as a 'White Rights Organisation'. If that's true, why don't they just set up a white rights organisation and leave the reputation of the KKK behind?

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[XyZspineZyX]

But the point is not have white, black, asian, or hispanic Pride. Self pride is all you need actualy. Breaking out to groups of your own kind is not healthy.

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[XyZspineZyX]

I can't believe it's still a aproblem.
-
- But you know what, the group that gets the biggest
- raw deal are the White anglo-saxon, heterosexual,
- middle-class, males.
Protestant, you forgot protestant.
Such a sick minded begining, that birt king made it up vuz his wife wouldn't give him a son...



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[XyZspineZyX]

Arrghh, I hate the term 'Native American,' it's not any more accurate for American Indians than Europeans, everyone migrated here at some point. I prefer 'Indian' or 'American Indian' or even 'Injun' but for Crissake I just want to vomit every time I hear 'Native American.'

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"Arrghh, I hate the term 'Native American,' it's not any more accurate for American Indians than Europeans, everyone migrated here at some point. I prefer 'Indian' or 'American Indian' or even 'Injun' but for Crissake I just want to vomit every time I hear 'Native American.'"


Why would you prefer Indian if they were only called Indians when someone mistaken this land for India.

Native Americans simply state that they were the first to land and live here, so they are native. If your idea that because everyone migrated from somewhere, then we are ALL Africans then, would you like that? We ALL came from Africa if you go back long enough.

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[XyZspineZyX]

I guess they use hate crime to label some cases where traditional premeditated intent/planning to commit a crime can not be shown effectively. Yet in a sense it is somewhat of a premeditated crime, even if it's a spur of the moment crime. Since a specific person/group was targeted. Yet at the same time it seems as if it would be hard to judge in some cases the person went on a random rampage.

[XyZspineZyX]

Um, that's good, I guess, but what does that have to do with explaining the disparity between the hate crime labels when the races of the offender differ?

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--Capt. Carter: "You think it might be a booby trap?"
â â Teal'c: "Booby?"
--"I'm a bomb technician, if you see me running, try to catch up" -in Russian on a bomb tech's shirt from "The Sum of All Fears"
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[XyZspineZyX]

I think racial pride is pretty gay no matter who is doing it. But lets be honest, white guys really don't have a problem.

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"white guys really don't have a problem."

Elaborate (v.)

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--Capt. Carter: "You think it might be a booby trap?"
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--"I'm a bomb technician, if you see me running, try to catch up" -in Russian on a bomb tech's shirt from "The Sum of All Fears"
--"All my life, I've been waiting for someone and when I find her, she's a fish!" -Tom Hanks "Splash"
--"War is not about who's right, it's about who's left." -Anders Russell
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Thoramir:

Native American Native American Native American Native American Native American Native American Native American Native American Native American Native American Native American.



Just think, people pay BIG money to go on rides to puke their guts out. I have just made you do it here. You owe me $5.69.

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(wins award for most useless post on April 16 2003)



You LOVE ME, you REALLY REALLY LOVE ME!!!

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Demon_Mustang wrote:
- "white guys really don't have a problem."
-
- Elaborate (v.)


No.

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/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif why not?

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--"General Hammond, request permission to beat the crap out of this man." -Col. Jack O'Neill -Stargate SG-1
--Capt. Carter: "You think it might be a booby trap?"
â â Teal'c: "Booby?"
--"I'm a bomb technician, if you see me running, try to catch up" -in Russian on a bomb tech's shirt from "The Sum of All Fears"
--"All my life, I've been waiting for someone and when I find her, she's a fish!" -Tom Hanks "Splash"
--"War is not about who's right, it's about who's left." -Anders Russell
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Demon_Mustang wrote:
- /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif why not?

I don't like you.

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Aww, I'm saddened to hear that, really. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Edit: I meant /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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--Capt. Carter: "You think it might be a booby trap?"
â â Teal'c: "Booby?"
--"I'm a bomb technician, if you see me running, try to catch up" -in Russian on a bomb tech's shirt from "The Sum of All Fears"
--"All my life, I've been waiting for someone and when I find her, she's a fish!" -Tom Hanks "Splash"
--"War is not about who's right, it's about who's left." -Anders Russell
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LOL @ Demon and MNG

That was the funniest (albeit shortest) set of posts I've read all week!

However, MNG, to say white guys don't really have a problem...I don't totally understand what you mean, so could you perhaps elaborate a wee bit? If not for Demon, then for folks like meself and Slack who would be interested in your opinion on the subject?

If you don't like me, don't tell me though. I would be crushed. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif j/k

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Demon_Mustang wrote:
- Aww, I'm saddened to hear that, really.
- Edit: I meant

I knew that would bring tears to your eyes. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

OK briefly then I have studying to do.

Basically, sure its annoying when say, a black person claims some wrong simply because its to their advantage. I happen to know someone who did this very thing (threatened to sue a company because they knew the company would cave).

But ultimately these things are mere trifles compared to the history of racism and persecution that Blacks and other so-called races have suffered over the centuries. In a Western country like the United States, white males have the relative advantages and are firmly in control. So they really do not have a problem.

I tell you though, a good movie to watch on the subject is White Man's Burden.

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Court case: A black male is sentenced to death. He appeals several times and the US. Supreme Court agreed to hear the case. His argument is that there is a history of racism in the criminal justice system that shows blacks are unjustly sentenced to death over whites. The US Supreme Court ruled against him saying that previous patterns and statistical data does not matter. What matters is if he can prove that HIS case in particular was due to racial discrimination. This he was unable to prove, so his death sentence was carried out.

What does this have to do with your argument? Well, your argument is that whites have been known to discriminate against blacks and that there is a history of discrimination and a pattern of discrimination. Well, this Supreme Court ruling was significant in pointing out that a pattern or history does not change the way the current situation is to be handled. If it's wrong, it's wrong, it doesn't matter if others have been wrong before.

Same thing here, that doesn't make this any more right just because they have been discriminated against in the past. Now this is considered discrimination against the white people. Not to mention, this is a perfect example of how only politically correct stories are ever mentioned in the media, so who's to say that there haven't been more cases of racial discrimination that was black against white that you're not considering? Just because it wasn't reported like when a black is discriminated against by a white person, doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

By the way, his argument that more blacks are sentenced to death is untrue anyway, many studies actually show that white people have a higher rate of executions than blacks and the probability of arrest is actually slightly higher in whites than in blacks, the counter argument for these studies is that it's not the offender's race that matter, it's the victim's race that matters, and this argument sounds more valid, since if you break it down by race of victim, more cases where the victim is white are pursued and results in a death sentence than when the victim is black. Most crimes are intraracial, so that would result in more white males being prosecuted.

Oops, sorry to get all law on you again, I seem to be doing this a lot lately... Also sorry that I can't ever remember any of the names, hehe, just the facts of the cases.

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--Capt. Carter: "You think it might be a booby trap?"
â â Teal'c: "Booby?"
--"I'm a bomb technician, if you see me running, try to catch up" -in Russian on a bomb tech's shirt from "The Sum of All Fears"
--"All my life, I've been waiting for someone and when I find her, she's a fish!" -Tom Hanks "Splash"
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I have a friend who has been living and working with a full time job in the US and has been turned down for a visa and has to move back to Canada. They immigration (or whatever) officer said it blatantly to her "If you were a minority, we wouldnt be having this discussion."

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lol@MNG + Demon reparte.

I'm glad Farn stepped in and made sure this got the explanation it deserved.

I dont think white guys have a problem. The repuation of a white man is relatively unblemished, with people having a neutral view of him until he opens his mouth. With black males, they have to say something to disprove the assumption.

The crime that spings from jamaican gangs has left its mark on a whole social group. Such a pity /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Name a single black CEO of a major company. Name a black presidental nominee who was in with a chance.
Simply put, blacks dont seem to have much of a chance at the top. They cant go there. It seems the club of the uber wealthy is whites-only. Affirmative action is not a solution. Integration and familiarity will dispel the prejudices of a generation and desensitise our youth to race. Maybe in 40 years when many racists will be dead (KKK membership is falling) will true equality start to flourish, but the Old Guard are still very much in the driving seat.


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Slackbladder wrote:
- Affirmative action is not a solution.

Not only is Affirmative Action NOT a solution, IMO, it's one of the things that keeps racism flourishing in the United States. Affirmative Action is flat-out idiotic. Any position you achieve, whether its a job, a spot at a college or whatever, should be awarded on merit only; the color of your skin should never enter the picture.



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People view white people neutrally?

Ok, if you read the rest of what you said, that's proof that the view of white people is not neutral, it's that white people have what they have because it was handed to them on a silver platter, while the only reason a black person isn't on the top is because he/she has been oppressed by the white people.

There are black CEO's, women CEO's, and even black women CEO's. Albeit not in the major high-profile companies we all would know about, but the fact is, the majority of the United State's population is white, so the probability of having more whites in high positions is obviously higher than that of other races. Also, the position of CEO, or an owner of a large company isn't exactly handed to them by another white person, sometimes they started the company and it got successful. Other times they were cunning enough to get there. Basically, if a black person starts a company that just happens to get really successful, there is't some magic white person who would replace him simply for the fact that he's black. Of course there are occasions where oppression still happens, but you can't blame all the instances where black people haven't risen to the top on racism.

Think about it, if a black person is on the top, that must displace a potential white person. Then couldn't one argue that the white person isn't a CEO because of oppression? Of course no one will say that, neither will I, but I'm not going to look at every company that has a white CEO and say "look, all the other races were oppressed."

Sorry to bring other races up, but it's not uncommon for asian people, like indians, pakistanis, and chinese to come into this country and end up taking a really high position in a major company (my entire family immigrated here from Asia and basically all my uncles took major positions at some point, if they're not retired already, they're still there, including one of my uncles who was executive VP of Merril Lynch), and you can't deny that any racism toward blacks is not directed toward indians, pakistanis, and orientals. Basically, companies worry less about race than about profits, and if a person, regardless of race, shows that they can contribute enough to provide great profits to the company, they will not usually turn that person down, losing profits, just to keep their staff white, because my family is proof of this. They were not handed the high positions, they convinced them that it would be in their best interest to have them.

I'm sure this has happened already for some black individuals, and I'm sure more of these instances would happen. But it's just like the politically correct media to only publish when a black person is rejected a position than to publish when they actually reach one. So you probably just don't know about the instances where black people have moved up.

I forgot if it was Gateway, or Yahoo, or one of these companies that were started by an oriental, basically, he started this on his own, and it became a major success, if he happened to have been black, there was nothing stopping him since he started it on his own, he had no employer that told him that he's fired. So I don't understand this concept of how they are simply prevented from excelling, I'm sure they have already.

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Witness said pretty much what I wanted to say.

Color of skin should not even be considered when applying for a job. It certainly carries no bearing on what I think of an individual. Overall attire and/or the way they carry themselves does, but the color of skin doesn't.

What I mean by that is this:

If someone has their hat on sideways, with a quarter ton of gold around their neck, pants that sit about halfway up the ***, and a football jersey, I automatically think "Gangsta punk", and it does put a "stereotype" into my mind. However, that stereotype is one of someone who thinks they are what they aren't. The color of the skin matters not, I have seen many white individuals putting on this persona, which is most often associated with Blacks.

However, I think all people should be judged based on what they bring to the table, not the color of the skin.

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Affirmative Action is definitely racist. Anyone who argues against this is a typical "racism is only against blacks" thinker.

I'm glad Florida got rid of Affirmative Action. I've been voicing my opinion against it for many years.

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For once I agree with Witness...


Demon, that was so many coherent thoughts all at once I couldn't keep up.

Except to say that I wasn't saying that discrimination of black vs white is OK, I was simply saying that to a white male it doesn't matter, save to be a mere annoyance.

I also do not think it is OK to "pull the race card" simply to gain some kind of financial advantage. That is deplorable.

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Demon_Mustang wrote:
- "Arrghh, I hate the term 'Native American,' it's not
- any more accurate for American Indians than
- Europeans, everyone migrated here at some point. I
- prefer 'Indian' or 'American Indian' or even 'Injun'
- but for Crissake I just want to vomit every time I
- hear 'Native American.'"
-
-
- Why would you prefer Indian if they were only called
- Indians when someone mistaken this land for India.

That someone was Columbus. Columbus was, well, to put it lightly, an *** from the 'Native American' standpoint. Who wouldn't want to be reminded of their rival's, enemy's, etc. mistakes? I mean, I can get all pissy about how some European *** killed, tortured, and mutilated indians and then had the nerve to give them the wrong name. Or, I could look at another perspective, that asshat who killed, tortured, and mutilated indians biggest blunder managed to get perpetuated throughout history.

Besides, I don't recall the Political Correctness crowed asking me what I prefer to be called. I think it's rediculous that those idiots go around give every group a new name because somehow the old one is derogatory and offensive.

I suppose the reason 'Native American' pisses me off so much is that I grew up in a household where 4 out of 5 members were 'Indians' and none of us were bothered by it. Then all of a sudden some white liberal tells us we can't say that anymore, that we're 'Native Americans' instead. Do you realize how much harder it is to say "Native Americans" in casual conversation when you are one? It's irritating, conversations don't exactly flow when have to apply this long akward label instead of just calling yourself an 'Indian' like you always did.


Long story short, the people who came up with the term, "Native Americans" probably don't have to hear it everyday or listen to every white person who tries to talk to you about it hesitate each time they say it both because it's akward and they're thinking the same word you are.

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It doesn't matter when they are being sent to prisons for "hate crimes?" While the black people who do the same crimes are not and ending up right back on the street? So any future deaths committed by these racist black people is only an annoyance since the victims are white and have nothing to worry about? I don't get it.

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--Capt. Carter: "You think it might be a booby trap?"
â â Teal'c: "Booby?"
--"I'm a bomb technician, if you see me running, try to catch up" -in Russian on a bomb tech's shirt from "The Sum of All Fears"
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Slackbladder wrote:
-
- Name a single black CEO of a major company.

Franklin Raines

Name a
- black presidental nominee who was in with a chance.

Name a black presidential nominee, so far, there haven't been any who have made it past the primaries.

I seriously think most black presidential candidates run without the slightest intentions of becoming president. They run on the most rediculous platforms and I think there out there only to try and show how white people are. Has the Democratic party ever sponsored a black person with a brain in their head? So far, I've only seen them back preachers with long histories of scandal and a sense of black righteousness (for lack of a better term). Isn't that perpetuating sterotypes?


I certainly would've considered voting for Colin Powell (Nay, I would have voted for hom, Bob Dole is a decent enough fellow but he didn't have a hope of beating Bill Clinton in that election he was simply too 'square' for general consumption) in 1996 had he not dropped out (and had I been old enough) before the primaries despite the fact that the are several issues I disagree with him on. Had he stayed in the running I have a feeling he would've won the nomination and ultimately the election (too bad, his wife asked him not to pursue it).

- Simply put, blacks dont seem to have much of a
- chance at the top.

I haven't seen enough blacks who try to become CEOs/Presidents. Secretary of State may not be 'at the top' but it's pretty damn close, don't you think?

They cant go there. It seems
- the club of the uber wealthy is whites-only.
- Affirmative action is not a solution. Integration
- and familiarity will dispel the prejudices of a
- generation and desensitise our youth to race. Maybe
- in 40 years when many racists will be dead (KKK
- membership is falling) will true equality start to
- flourish, but the Old Guard are still very much in
- the driving seat.

I think black people and women (In general, there are certainly exceptions) have a similar problem, and the problem is not the "White Man's World" the problem is that they think because there aren't many blacks or women at the top that white males are actively keeping from being at the top. I don't think this is the case (again, there are exceptions), I know of plenty of people who complain about not being able to break through 'glass ceilings' but I also know plenty of people who have and those who have don't stop to complaining about racism, sexism, or whatever -ism is out there to stop them. They just go out and do it, whatever it happens to be. I also see people who complain, regardless of race or gender not getting anywhere. Sometimes that includes myself.


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MisterNiceGuy wrote:
-
- Demon_Mustang wrote:
-- /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif why not?
-
- I don't like you.

That's no excuse!

Now, elborate dammit! Before I start foaming at the mouth!

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Collin Powell would have been a good candidate for presidency. In fact, I would say he would have been better than Bush, not bashing Bush, there's no question Bush knows about politics, he basically spent his entire life in politics, but Powell wouldn't have drawn all the negative attention and I don't think they can think of as many "clever" insults for him, but if he runs as a Republican, I'm sure a lot of people would try.

Didn't they try to put Jesse Jackson in the running??? *shudders* what a lying POS of a person he is, whoever listens to his useless crap needs to be shot along side him. Then people wonder why he didn't get far.

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--Capt. Carter: "You think it might be a booby trap?"
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Thoramir wrote:

- I think black people and women (In general, there
- are certainly exceptions) have a similar problem,
- and the problem is not the "White Man's World" the
- problem is that they think because there aren't many
- blacks or women at the top that white males are
- actively keeping from being at the top. I don't
- think this is the case (again, there are
- exceptions), I know of plenty of people who complain
- about not being able to break through 'glass
- ceilings' but I also know plenty of people who have
- and those who have don't stop to complaining about
- racism, sexism, or whatever -ism is out there to
- stop them. They just go out and do it, whatever it
- happens to be. I also see people who complain,
- regardless of race or gender not getting anywhere.
- Sometimes that includes myself.

I had a heated argument with one of my friends (black guy) about this. He was saying that "corporate America" was infested with institutionalized racism and it was holding him back. I think that kind of attitude will hold you back. Personally, my view point when I came across racism was simply to say "OK if I have be better than you to prove I'm equal to you then thats what I'll do"

In otherwords racism didn't hold me back (and I have had many try) because I didn't let it. I used it as a motivational force to do better.

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Here it is.

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--Capt. Carter: "You think it might be a booby trap?"
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--"I'm a bomb technician, if you see me running, try to catch up" -in Russian on a bomb tech's shirt from "The Sum of All Fears"
--"All my life, I've been waiting for someone and when I find her, she's a fish!" -Tom Hanks "Splash"
--"War is not about who's right, it's about who's left." -Anders Russell

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I dont care what colour your skin is its more importanat what your personality and attitude is like, i learned in the forces that i disliked as many white people as black, Asian, whatever, simply because they were arrogant, rude or simply irritated the nuts out of me.

I agree that society is now strongly biased towards "positive discrimination" and it doesnt work, if anything it feeds negative discrimination in communities that are worse off because of it.



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Negative dicrimination, huh/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif ... I HATE... your YELLOW doll.



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i'm kinda getting off topic, but what about the discrimination between men and women? okay actually i have only two points for this... selective service, in which men have to sign up and 'volunteer' to get drafted if need be. the second one is bathrooms. why do we have to have separate bathrooms?

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shin_en wrote:
- i'm kinda getting off topic, but what about the
- discrimination between men and women? okay actually
- i have only two points for this... selective
- service, in which men have to sign up and
- 'volunteer' to get drafted if need be. the second
- one is bathrooms. why do we have to have separate
- bathrooms?

You're right man. Its just like in the Sixties. What a disgrace.

Demon, uh, why did you bring this up again?


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Racisim has existed for years...so has religous indifference, social injustice, political corruption, child stars (the Olson Twins ugh...), rape, sexual discrimination...our forefathers were afraid of sex...sex was the great mystery, and someone realized something amazing...SEX is not a great mystery it isn't shocking, it isn't lewd, not long ago (by some standards) women were clad head to toe, they covered the legs on their couches with skirting becuase it was sexually offensive...now it happens to be death, racisim, and sexuality...you cannot admit an intrests in the pyschological effects of killing, if I tell someone I want to go SEALs often they ask if I want to kill someone, sex was a closed door to offensive to bring into the light as is death.

Racisim was something that wasn't attacked until a short while ago (once again by some standards) it is taboo to be racist, it is taboo and thus the forbidden fruit is the sweetest...it seems odd but man is under the compulsion to explore beyond the bounds that were set for him...it's an old and cliche thing but it goes to Adam, Eve, the snake, and the apple; I myself do not believe in this myth however it brings forth the whole concept of look but don't touch. A child will play with matches if given a chance and not properly educated as a man will surely do so when it comes to dealing with someone diffrent from himself. They hear it's wrong and yet no one states why...you've set a guidline, you've set the pounds, but there isn't any reason not to do it.

Sexuality is the same way. I am a hetro-sexual, white, middle-class male; I have never honestly thought of another man sexually and it holds no mystery for me I'm simply not interested. I worked with a bi-sexual girl who was shocked by this, in fact amazed becuase being the son of an Army Sargeant I should natrully have an aversion to bi-sexual, gays, and anyone living a deviant lifestyle (I have reservations against people doing children and animals) I see more sexual discrimination than racial discrimination especially in rural minnesota with the recent graduating classes consisting of red-neck patriots. In my mind it takes all types to make the world, gay, straight, fetishists, and kinds you've never seen or want to see, it takes blacks, it takes whites, it takes hispanics, and it takes asian...you get the idea...what I really hate is not being able to say anything without someone getting offended...as if it is their god-given right to see life as a continual nice-nice re-run of Barney...or I could just be raving.



I do not regret that I only have one life to give for my country but that I have only one lifetime to give it

[XyZspineZyX]

Sex ain't a mystery. Sex is a helluva good time. Racsism... I never cared. Blackass. Whiteass. UsedToBeBlackButNowIsAPaleWhiteass(MichaelJacksona ss), Brownass, unnatural brownass, Yellowass, Quasiyellowass... It's all the same to me./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Religion... I don't have much to say about.... But I was watching "E! True Hollywood Story" on Jenna Jameson (Pornstar), and she said she was going to heaven... that's when I continued watching DieHard.

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jesus i hate these racial attack debates. if you beat the hell out of someone its a damn hate crime. all violent crimes are just as bad as eachother (the only variable being HOW violent they were) doesnt matter if you do it cus hes black, or white or looked at you funny in the pub or youre robbing them, they all hurt just as bad as eachother. personally i got jumped by three blokes in my hometown not long ago and they beat the c*rap out of me. do u think i give a hell whether it was cus i was white or what? nope it still bloody hurt all the same.

all this racial stuff is political correctness and nothing more, relates nothing to the real situation.

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Most rich woman - puts some mens clubs to shame.



Does that answer the question posted in the beginning? If she can do it, why can't you.




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Uka, look at the context of the article. The reason why we care is because hate crimes carry a harsher sentence.

So that's why it matters whether or not our justice system would consider black on white crimes hate crimes or not.

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--"General Hammond, request permission to beat the crap out of this man." -Col. Jack O'Neill -Stargate SG-1
--Capt. Carter: "You think it might be a booby trap?"
â â Teal'c: "Booby?"
--"I'm a bomb technician, if you see me running, try to catch up" -in Russian on a bomb tech's shirt from "The Sum of All Fears"
--"All my life, I've been waiting for someone and when I find her, she's a fish!" -Tom Hanks "Splash"
--"War is not about who's right, it's about who's left." -Anders Russell

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An enditement is not a conviction.



I do not regret that I only have one life to give for my country but that I have only one lifetime to give it

[XyZspineZyX]

It's indictment and obviously I know it's not a conviction, because if it was, it'll have the same name...

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--"General Hammond, request permission to beat the crap out of this man." -Col. Jack O'Neill -Stargate SG-1
--Capt. Carter: "You think it might be a booby trap?"
â â Teal'c: "Booby?"
--"I'm a bomb technician, if you see me running, try to catch up" -in Russian on a bomb tech's shirt from "The Sum of All Fears"
--"All my life, I've been waiting for someone and when I find her, she's a fish!" -Tom Hanks "Splash"
--"War is not about who's right, it's about who's left." -Anders Russell

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Well, what I would do is this: get all the people to take a gene test to find out which person they should marry and have children with. With the outlook in mind to make everyone the same color in the next generation. Then - keep up the diluting affect until you reach a nuetral color that everyone can live with. Lets see- how is a nice cream color for every person on the earth??

Or, a color that makes everyone look just like they walked out of their favorite tanning booth?

In a couple generations you could reach that elusive plateau that would insure even coloring for everyone.

No more racisism: No more jokes about color. "You big dumb creamer." "Oh yeah, well so are you."

Or, "I hate you , you big stupid tan man." "Well, the same to you, you , you ah, er, tan person."
Even those with the dullest minds would soon realize the futility of such discourse. And, we will live in peace and harmony forever.
Course we would need the color cops to make sure everyone was sticking to the program and married the right people. Wouldn't do to have mistakes popping up all over, stripes, checks, and the dreaded polka dotted people. Whole industries would crop up insuring employment for the colorless masses.

I ask for your ideas here people, we could come to an agreement and all sign it and send it to the Pres. and Congress. We will be famous, maybe win the Nobel Peace Prize.
. Kickit around and tell me what you think?? MNG-- Hornet, Thor, Slack- Wit, Gandalf- and all the other great minda here. We are on the verge of one of the most important and dazzling ideas to enter into the minds of mankind since the Tennis Shoe. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif I just love it when a plan comes together like this>""


Leep Out:

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Err, not to sound racist, but I wouldn't want to be all darkly tanned or anything, I like my skin complexion, and I'm sure most people feel the same way about their skin tone too, so it's not like I want to see everyone like myself, it's kind of nice to see a lot of differences between everyone. Too bad we don't all feel that way.

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--"General Hammond, request permission to beat the crap out of this man." -Col. Jack O'Neill -Stargate SG-1
--Capt. Carter: "You think it might be a booby trap?"
â â Teal'c: "Booby?"
--"I'm a bomb technician, if you see me running, try to catch up" -in Russian on a bomb tech's shirt from "The Sum of All Fears"
--"All my life, I've been waiting for someone and when I find her, she's a fish!" -Tom Hanks "Splash"
--"War is not about who's right, it's about who's left." -Anders Russell

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Well Leep I started the process 21 years ago in September, with an Asian woman. I didn't even use a color swatch and our daughter's skin color is perfect.

The secret ingridient though is true love not shade of skin.

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The beatings will stop when morale improves.

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Good deal, Hornet. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Sigh: There is little place anymore in this world for gentle sarcasm or irony, or slanted senses of humour.

A lonely voice -crying-er laughing hysterically in the wilderness. If you are laughing and there
is no one there to hear it, is it really funny??? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Leep Out;

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I'm tan and I like my skin the way it is, I've dated women of diffrent ethnic groups and really Hornet is right the true ingredient is love.



I do not regret that I only have one life to give for my country but that I have only one lifetime to give it

[XyZspineZyX]

I give up- I really do:

Leep Out;

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[XyZspineZyX]

What are you talking about leep? hehe

Anyway, if you're talking about my response to your "suggestion," please note that I know you weren't serious about it, but that's still my reasoning of why I wouldn't want that.

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--"General Hammond, request permission to beat the crap out of this man." -Col. Jack O'Neill -Stargate SG-1
--Capt. Carter: "You think it might be a booby trap?"
â â Teal'c: "Booby?"
--"I'm a bomb technician, if you see me running, try to catch up" -in Russian on a bomb tech's shirt from "The Sum of All Fears"
--"All my life, I've been waiting for someone and when I find her, she's a fish!" -Tom Hanks "Splash"
--"War is not about who's right, it's about who's left." -Anders Russell

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Leep wrote:
- Good deal, Hornet. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
-
- Sigh: There is little place anymore in this world
- for gentle sarcasm or irony, or slanted senses of
- humour.
-
-
- A lonely voice -crying-er laughing hysterically in
- the wilderness. If you are laughing and there
-
- is no one there to hear it, is it really funny???
- /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
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- Leep Out;
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- Not to worry Leep I heard you laughing hysterically even with the little "slanted" sense of humour on this post /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif .




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The beatings will stop when morale improves.

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I thought it was trees falling in the forest making sounds?


Do you have to use a silencer to kill a mime?



(I guess Canadians are not a funny people)



(oh, wait, look who our PM is, never mind)



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I must correct you Scrub, Canadains despite being hockey watching, beer swigging bums are always good fora laugh.



I do not regret that I only have one life to give for my country but that I have only one lifetime to give it

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Hornet57 wrote:
- Well Leep I started the process 21 years ago in
- September, with an Asian woman. I didn't even use a
- color swatch and our daughter's skin color is
- perfect.
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- The secret ingridient though is true love not shade
- of skin.

Hornet I had to look twice to make sure this was really you making such a kind, gentle and compassionate comment. Whats gotten into you man?


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Demon_Mustang wrote:
- Ok, this article is kind of old, but it states this
- pretty well:
-
- <a
- href="http://www.sierratimes.com/archive/files/aug
- /06/turner.htm"
- target=_blank>http://www.sierratimes.com/archive/f
- iles/aug/06/turner.htm</a>
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- It's one of the things that REALLY ____ me off, when
- freakin moron imbeciles think racism only goes one
- way and only against the blacks. They need to
- freakin burn to prevent the stupidity from
- spreading.

You know I meant to ask you Demon... why does this really ____ you off?

Why do you care?


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He must be slipping, somebody punch him in the face and make him mad this is creepy! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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I can see that this thread appears to have lost its fervor, but there is one thing id like to point out. Of course, because about everyone seems to in agreement here, the statement pushes the pointless, but here goes.

If we want to see just how ridiculous the idea of oppression keeping a people down is, we can just look at that long ignored theater of europe. can you imagine how ridiculous it would seem if the sicilians whined and complained about oppression when they were conquered by the vikings. Or imagine if the family of a Belgian king tried to sue the ottoman empire for his death. Or if the Hessian soldiers wrote letters to the press about how their duke sold them to the english. Or you could look at the greek kingdom of sparta and the way they oppressed their neighbors for hundreds of years(but the question there is who is the whites and who is the minority). Or, on a smaller note, even the oppressive taxes in the alsace lorrain (1820s onward) wasn't so much whined about as people did something about it(mostly emigrated to America). All of these were problems that solved themselves, with the help of active people, in due time. That is somewhat like what the civil rights movement was here. After years of obvious, overt opression, civil rights laws were finally passed (even if the states had to be gutted for that prupose). But then, where nations of the past had done things right, this country erred with forced bussing and continuing public prejudice (against whites). Now, the power of choice or of will is often ignored when minorities complaign against the system and we slowly devolve into a quagmire.

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Aww MNG, would you feel better if we make a thread about how horrible black people have it and we should give them leniency to do whatever they want? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif j/k

so MNG, why do you care enough to try to get me to stop posting threads that people obviously agree with? Do you just disagree with them so much, but have no argument against it, so the best way you feel to suppress them is to pretend that it's nothing of importance?

So it's not important that people are getting away with cold-blooded murder because of political correctness?

Alrighty then, whatever you say.

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--"General Hammond, request permission to beat the crap out of this man." -Col. Jack O'Neill -Stargate SG-1
--Capt. Carter: "You think it might be a booby trap?"
â â Teal'c: "Booby?"
--"I'm a bomb technician, if you see me running, try to catch up" -in Russian on a bomb tech's shirt from "The Sum of All Fears"
--"All my life, I've been waiting for someone and when I find her, she's a fish!" -Tom Hanks "Splash"
--"War is not about who's right, it's about who's left." -Anders Russell

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I agree with Demon, racisim works both ways and there isn't a way to hide it, nothing can, nothing will, simple, effective, true.



I do not regret that I only have one life to give for my country but that I have only one lifetime to give it

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The sad thing is a lot of people do not know this. When I tell some people about how I was discriminated against by someone who is black, I really hate it when they try to argue with me and tell me that I must be mistaken like I can't tell the difference between a mistake and intentional discrimination. But when someone tells about how a white person did a black person wrong, then all of a sudden you hear nothing but "oh, yah, I know, that's so wrong," etc. etc.

It's such crap, people need to open their eyes and stop watching Spike Lee movies.

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--"General Hammond, request permission to beat the crap out of this man." -Col. Jack O'Neill -Stargate SG-1
--Capt. Carter: "You think it might be a booby trap?"
â â Teal'c: "Booby?"
--"I'm a bomb technician, if you see me running, try to catch up" -in Russian on a bomb tech's shirt from "The Sum of All Fears"
--"All my life, I've been waiting for someone and when I find her, she's a fish!" -Tom Hanks "Splash"
--"War is not about who's right, it's about who's left." -Anders Russell