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XyZspineZyX

10-26-2003, 09:54 PM

which one do you have and pros and cons.

PRO:-i find nvidia easier to clock and have had past issues with ati (probs)

cons:-driver support is not as good as ati.

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XyZspineZyX

10-26-2003, 09:54 PM

XyZspineZyX

10-26-2003, 10:11 PM

Most wouldnt sayt hat ati has good driver support, but i feel that AIT is better for my needs, It renders textures better and floating point is faster. I ave had problems with nvidia, but none with ATI in raven shield, even in UT2003 which is made for nvidia cards.

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XyZspineZyX

10-26-2003, 11:28 PM

I had a geforce 2 gts for 2 years and it was a great card. I had no problems at all. For the last 4 months i have had a radeon 9700 pro and it is also a great card with no problems.

XyZspineZyX

10-26-2003, 11:46 PM

the previous nvidia geforce cards like the gts series and so on were damn nice, but the FX was a dissappointment, which means currently i love ATI /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif lol (btw i have a 9800 pro)

XyZspineZyX

10-26-2003, 11:48 PM

for quality....ATI

for performance.......ATI again.

why overclock the most expensive piece of hardware in your system? to shell out a few more frames? yuck......

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XyZspineZyX

10-27-2003, 01:22 AM

I used nVidia for a zillion years.
Then nVidia screwed up on the 5800 and 5900.
So I got an ATI Radeon 9800 128 Pro.
It SUCKS!
ATI drivers are ****.
When nVidia gets back on track, I am going back!!!!!!

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XyZspineZyX

10-27-2003, 02:06 AM

McVector wrote:
- ATI drivers are ****.

yeah your right, if your talkin about the catalyst drivers. the omega drivers r damn nice. i play RvS on a laptop with a mobility radeon 7500 16mb and i get a constant 40-50 fps. now thats not sayin much but its funny how some ppl with Ati Radeon 9800 Pro r getting like 10-20 fps. technically this card cant even support RvS cuz it is 16mb and RvS requires 32mb, but it runs beatifully.

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XyZspineZyX

10-27-2003, 02:37 AM

I read that the talent at Nvidia took jobs at ATI. That's why we're seeing driver updates more often with better drivers altogether.

Nvidia is having major problems with HL2 due to the method of FSAA they employ. ATI uses a different method which is supported by HL2.

ATI has always had better image quality, and these days have better compatability and speed. ATI cards don't hog the first PCI slot either. (an issue unless you have a motherboard with the PCI slots moved down a space) If you're going to buy a card now, you should get an ATI.

With that being said things always change. Nvidia still makes far better entry level workstation cards. There's no point in having loyalty to someone who charges you $500 for a videocard. Always buy what's best at the time, and will have the best support in the future. Same thing for CPUs, motherboards, HDDs, sound cards etc...

P4 > Athlon XP

Athlon 64 = P4

P4 XT > Athlon 64

Athlon FX > P4

P5 > Athlon FX

It's always going to go back and forth between good companies.

XyZspineZyX

10-27-2003, 02:43 AM

I have heard this but I have never been able to find proof. I have heard that Nvidia works better with AMD and ATI works better with Intel. Anyone know if there is truth to this?

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XyZspineZyX

10-27-2003, 06:07 AM

Im getting a new gfx card. Ive narrowed it down to an ati 9600 or 9700.
Is the 9700 worth the extra money, cause ive heard taht the 9600 is the base card for the 97.....

XyZspineZyX

10-27-2003, 06:48 AM

No the 9600 is not the base card for the 9700 Pro. If you don't want to spend more than $200 go to www.pricewatch.com (http://www.pricewatch.com) and pick up the 9500 Pro. If you overclock this card to the 9700 Pro settings then it is almost identical.

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XyZspineZyX

10-27-2003, 12:09 PM

um..the 9700 and up have 8 pixel pipes...while the 9500 and 9600 series all have 4. if you look at benchmarks...youll notice the drastic increase between any 9600 and a 9700 pro.

seriously 9700 pro rocks.

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XyZspineZyX

10-27-2003, 12:44 PM

I have ATI 9700 pro amd 2400+.
I must say ATI rox but in RS the drivers are a bit unstabele.
It crashes in high resolutions (1200:1024). Hope
catalyst 3.9 will solve this matter.

Anyway i would still suggest to buy ATI then NVIDIA.
ITs cheaper and less commerciell!

XyZspineZyX

10-28-2003, 03:28 AM

C1v1l1an wrote:
- Nvidia is having major problems with HL2 due to the
- method of FSAA they employ. ATI uses a different
- method which is supported by HL2.

Not quite. The problem is in the shader programing used. ATI uses a shader compiler and language that is part of the DirectX 9 specification. As the shaders in HL2 were also programmed using the same language as ATI, the code runs relatively smoothly. nVidia, however, decided to go with their own custom shader language. Which is not part of the DX9 spec. Nor compliant with it.

The root of it comes down to data handling. Both ATI and nVidia support 16 bit and 32 bit data (for you nitpickers, I'm replacing some terminology with the word data for simplicity's sake). However, ATI also supports 24 bit, which nVidia does not. That's where ATI gains the advantage.

If you look around (beyond3d.com, rage3d.com, etc.) you can find articles that fully explain what's going on.

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XyZspineZyX

10-28-2003, 03:31 AM

buy voodoo
now thats a card

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XyZspineZyX

10-28-2003, 06:39 AM

for the 9500 pro(only pro) u can unlock the 4 extra pixel pipes and make it 8

XyZspineZyX

10-28-2003, 06:49 AM

Game runs great on my Ti4200

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XyZspineZyX

10-28-2003, 05:10 PM

I have a Radeon 9700 Pro and love it. The drivers are excellent as well.

nVidia still offers some things ATI doesn't though. For example, Anti-Aliasing in certain older games (Grim Fandango, The Longest Jounrney).

XyZspineZyX

10-28-2003, 08:30 PM

Onboard video is the way to go.(Sarcasm)

Anyway, i have a gf fx5600 256mbs not overclocked. And it smokes. Never used ATI so i can't say. 8 times AA , full AF, and it makes raven look so sweet. Can't go wrong.

My ladder stats. (http://ladder.ubi.com/index.asp?gamename=RAVENSHIELD&ladderid=0&modeid=0&lan=en&FILTERCHANGE=1&SELECT_ALIAS=EXACT&INPUT_ALIAS=IDPA_Master&SELECT_COUNTRY=&SELECT_RATING=EQUAL&INPUT_RATING=&SELECT_KILL=EQUAL&INPUT_KILL=&SELECT_DEATH=EQUAL&INPUT_DEATH=&SELECT_COMBAT=EQUAL&INPUT_COMBAT=&x=41&y=10) Albeit not good.

XyZspineZyX

10-29-2003, 02:44 AM

My bro in law has a 5600 256mb card overclocked on a XP2100. He doesn't have AA or AF on and it lags like hell. Don't buy a 5600 card, they blow, I know I have one.

XyZspineZyX

10-29-2003, 05:23 AM

try HALO on your 5600...it will crap itself. =\

my father has 2 systems with the 5600 in it.

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XyZspineZyX

10-29-2003, 06:00 AM

I have the 5600 Ultra and I tried the Halo demo. I ran it and avg about 12 fps. Trust me don't get one.

XyZspineZyX

11-03-2003, 09:38 PM

ATI hands down!!!

( i own a 9800 PRO now, but i had loads of problems with Nvidia drivers when i owned a Geforce )

BTW that's my 3rd ATI card.

XyZspineZyX

11-05-2003, 03:16 AM

if your gonna buy a fx card get the 5900 ultra i got the creative one not had one fault with it yet.. run rvs at 1600x1200 all details max and average 140fps can hit 200 fps in some spots....

XyZspineZyX

11-05-2003, 05:32 AM

why get it for just ravenshield?

id rather shell out 300-400 bucks on one that will run future DIRECT X 9 games great....which the FX series cant be trusted fully with.

seriously, ATI having Valve/Halflife2 backing their latest products was the best thing they could do.....

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XyZspineZyX

11-05-2003, 06:10 AM

nvidia is faster i dont trust my ati card anymore

i have bugged openGL now my rvs seem to work good now but i rather a nvidia card because its more smoother and faster how wants quility if you have 30 fps

yeah lower the settings will help so actualy ati is nothing just bullcrap

XyZspineZyX

11-06-2003, 12:36 AM

Sometimes the Fps that you get on games such as RVS and Halo don't depend entirely on the GC. It could be because of a shoddy server, or a shoddy Network connection. It all depends, so I don't think that you can slam the FX cards because of that. I have seen them run flawlessly on all the games that have been mentioned on this thread, but there will always be times when cards have fps problems.

XyZspineZyX

11-06-2003, 02:05 PM

Whats funny is I hear about all these problems with newer cards and I own a Geforce 3 (not a Geforce 3 TI but a straight Geforce 3)

I have had no problems with RVS and get 30-60 FPS. Pretty good for an ancient card.

But alas the time has unfortunately come to upgrade (build new computer) again (when the wife aint watching). So I am very interested in the battle between NVIDIA and ATI.

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XyZspineZyX

11-06-2003, 06:10 PM

I am currently running a gf4 ti4600 128 card on a p42gig....with 1gig ram, sb live 5.1. I am averaging60 frames or so with typical spikes and drops. I have no complaints on this card...and can be found for a good price now. I am wondering though, I dont know a whole lot about changing the options...or making sure my agp is running at 8x like capable....anti-aliasing...etc...triple buffering ...blah blah blah......and ideas or suggestions tweaking would be great. Difference between ATI and Nvid for me is price....time the cards come out...and what you xpect out of it. They are all great and will work. Just be sure not to spend a load of money and something new coming right out.

XyZspineZyX

11-06-2003, 06:35 PM

um...whoever said that nvidia is faster is wrong.

ATI has held the crown ever since the release of the 9700 series...both in quality and speed.

its not a matter of opinion...its a FACT.

just like how intel's 800mhzFSB P4's have been topping AMD for a while now. and with the P4EE and AMD 64s....thats a whole new story.

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XyZspineZyX

11-06-2003, 08:36 PM

the 5900 ultra 256 is faster...than the 9600 pro and the 9800 128, but if you get the all in wonder 9800 pro 256, you will see a much better gain. Even the regular pro 256 is better, and driver support is much better than a year ago for ati cards. Omegadrivers rock. ATI cards render much easier, they do textures like crazy, and have slower clock speeds which cut down on heat issues. They are easier to overclock, all PRO cards can be unlocked to use the 8 pipelines.
As for the ati-amd and nvidia-p4 question, definitely not. Think about this, nvidia is currently on top of the game for making a chipset for AMD processors, the Nforce2, and on its way to making a foolproof nforce3 amd64 chipset. P4's are better for gaming due to HT and the much higher clock speeds, but the athlon 64 fx series will take that back for a time. It all boils down to preferences and budget when it comes to processors, but in the line of vid cards, I will stick with my ati.
FYI, i started playing this game on an ancient 7200 non pro, and i was getting 80 fps on 800x600, medium settings with omega drivers. not bad for a 3-4 year old card.

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XyZspineZyX

11-07-2003, 01:26 AM

What are you people smoking, and do you wanna share?

Neither ATI or nVidia is the "fastest". It depends ENTIRELY on the benchmark. Look at one game or benchmark, ATI wins. Look at another, nVidia wins.

The same goes for P4s vs AMDs. P4s are not better for gaming than AMDs because of HT. First off, a program must be multi-threaded in order to take advantage of HT. I don't know of any games that are. XP is capable of using HT for OS threads, but I don't think your performance gain there is going to be all that much. You see, the way HT works doesn't give you a second virtual cpu. The cpu only has x number (let's say one) areas to do certain kinds of operations. Let's say part A does math calculations, and part B does If statements. Now, let's say you're running two programs at the same time that aren't multi-threaded, one heavy on math the other on if. You'll see a performance increase because HT can divide up the resources of the processor between the two programs. But if one of the programs is doing BOTH math AND ifs, then you won't see any increase - the proc can only do one set of ifs at a time, and so each program has to wait it's turn. At least that's it in a nutshell.

Now supposedly the AMD64FX is outperforming the P4 running 32bit code (btw, there isn't even a 64bit OS that will run on the new AMD proc yet, let alone programs - not for gamers anyway). But Intel just released their P4EE (extreme edition, or as one website put it, extremely expensive) chip, which supposedly erased all the advantages that the AMD64FX had gained. They did it by doubling the amount of cache built into the cpu itself. Who is faster? Well which benchmark are you looking at?

But we digress from the original topic. ATI vs nVidia. Right now, at this moment, the future of DX9 games on nVidia chips looks grim because they made the decision to go with a custom programing language instead of following the DX9 spec. ATI followed the spec, so their code executes faster. Can this be *fixed* with drivers? NO. It is a hardware architecture issue - the effects can only be mitigated with drivers. Will the next nVidia chip fix it with a new hardware design? Probably. Will that chip be out and ready when DX9 games really start hitting the market (aren't many out right now, and some of the bigger names have been pushed back a few months)? That's a gamble you have to take. And rember, no matter what you choose, most video card companies are now on a six month product life (at least ATI is, and anyone who wants to stay competitive has to be as well). That means in six months (or less now), the 9800XT won't be king of the hill anymore. What will be? That's anybody's guess.

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XyZspineZyX

11-07-2003, 07:30 PM

here's a link to some specs...

http://www.tech-report.com/reviews/2002q2/ati-nvidia/index.x?pg=5

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XyZspineZyX

11-07-2003, 07:40 PM

They did some testing too, and it looks like the Nvidia Ti4600 out-did all of them. However, I wished they would have tested the newer cards.

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XyZspineZyX

11-07-2003, 07:57 PM

there is a prebeta version of the 64bit XP that HAS been used in benchmarks with the Athlon64s.........

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XyZspineZyX

11-08-2003, 06:26 AM

Um, hyperthreading is utilized by this game. Floating point calculations and general processing take different parts of the cpu, and RvS does both. Why else do you explain that in GAMING, the P4 with its 800mhz fsb and higher clock speed(which was my main point) always takes the crown, with generally 30% higher benchmarks? Is this coincidence? I mentioned gaming, and all that AMD is faster at overall is floating point, and only when that's the only thing going on at the moment. AMD's cannot multitask like P4's because of a slower core and memory clock speed. Phht, noob.

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XyZspineZyX

11-08-2003, 05:39 PM

Ghost397,
Its not about what high level shader language you use. You can write shader programs using Microsoft HLSL on both nVidia and ATI cards (and you can use nVidias CG for ATI cards too if you want). The compiler is very important though.

ATI followed the DX9 spec more closely than nVidia and their shader performance is simply faster than nVidias. Tuning the compiler and drivers will increase the DX9 performance of the FX cards as we have seen with the Det 52.xx drivers but its not enough to bring it up to ATIs level. You are right about that some thing will never be fixed though. The card will for example never be able to run 32bit FP precision very well since it's a hardware issue (too few temp registers). Nvidia will have to use partial precision (16bit FP) if they don't want to fall too far behind ATI.

XyZspineZyX

11-08-2003, 05:48 PM

AMGSL55 wrote:
- Um, hyperthreading is utilized by this game.
- Floating point calculations and general processing
- take different parts of the cpu, and RvS does both.

This game is NOT multi-multithreaded. It will NOT run on two processors. Period. And therefore the game itself will NOT use HT. However, at no point did I say that HT would not help running this game. I even said that XP as an OS WOULD take advantage of HT, but I don't think the performance boost is that significant. You think it is? Show me the benchmarks.

- Why else do you explain that in GAMING, the P4 with
- its 800mhz fsb and higher clock speed(which was my
- main point) always takes the crown, with generally
- 30% higher benchmarks? Is this coincidence? I
- mentioned gaming, and all that AMD is faster at
- overall is floating point, and only when that's the
- only thing going on at the moment.

Yes, a P4 has a higher clockspeed than an AMD chip. Pentiums have *always* had higher clock speeds than AMD chips. And they haven't always been slower either. The difference between the pentium and the AMD isn't just clockspeed, it's also instruction pipeline. The pentium's is 20 stages long. The AMD is much shorter. The pentium chip basically does a lot of predictive processing, and then gets to the end and figures out that oops, that's wrong, then throws it away. That's intel's design - so what if we're not efficient, we've got plenty of overhead to make up for it. AMD on the other hand makes a more efficient instruction pipeline and doesn't need the higher clock frequencies to do the same amount of work. If you look at benchmarks of processors at the same clockspeed, AMD almost always wins. So it's like comparing apples and oranges, there is no even ground or level test bed to base things on. So throw that out, and just get the fastest chip each has to offer. The AMD64FX smoked the P4(HT and all, in all but a few applications which didn't include games). Then Intel put out this P4EE. Now they're back to even again (roughly, I haven't gotten firm numbers yet).

- AMD's cannot multitask like P4's because of a slower
- core and memory clock speed. Phht, noob.

*sigh* Why do I even bother. Noob? What do you do for a living Euro? What's your degree in? Where does your knowledge of microprocessor architecture come from? What magazines or websites do you read to stay current with developing technology?

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XyZspineZyX

11-09-2003, 08:43 PM

ghost397,

Don't get me wrong here, I'm not even remotely interested in what Eurotrash has to say but I do have a question.

If games don't take advantage of HT then why do they exhibit faster performance when it's enabled? I know games for the most part (hardly ever) are not designed to take advantage of multiprocessors, but when the same chip performs better with HT enabled then it's got to be doing something that effects performance.

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11-09-2003, 09:06 PM

AMGSL55 wrote:
- Most wouldnt sayt hat ati has good driver support,
- but i feel that AIT is better for my needs, It
- renders textures better and floating point is
- faster. I ave had problems with nvidia, but none
- with ATI in raven shield, even in UT2003 which is
- made for nvidia cards.
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ati's drivers have amazing driver support - new catalyst releases every almost every month highly stable - awsome image quality that hammer nvidia (I own a 9800xt and a nvidia geforce fx 5900 ultra on 2 system setups and the ati card is miles better than the nvidia for IQ plus atis anti aliasing and aniostropic filtering levels are both better looking and higher perfoming than the nvidia cards*
and can be set to higher levels.

*using most recent official drivers

plus the new ati drivers have native support for dynamic overclocking of the cards (the xt series)
there is no doubt that the fast high end nvidia cards are of a very high standard but in my opinion in 3d perfromance at leas the ati cards have in at least at the high end sector anyway.

Jim

XyZspineZyX

11-09-2003, 09:18 PM

nah mate the 9500pro has all 8 unlocked as standard its the memory bus archetecture piplines on the card that is different only 128 bit rather than 256.(not the amount of memory)
(oh and one other thing - its the 9500 non pro that has 4 pipelines and can be software unlocked and made up to 9700non pro speeds and this is only on the inital board revision as they used the same pcb and memory configuration as the 9700 but software locked the other 4 pipes.
the 9500pro can be made to run faster but you need to flash the bios with one that allows overclocking as the default bios doesnt (you need the WARP 11 bios )- this then allow you to overclock the card - but to be honest the 9500pro is still a great card as standard its faster than the 9600pro and xt versions and can keep up with the 9700 non pro in most 3d apps/games where it suffers is in single texture fill rates where the extra 128bit memory pipline halps the 9700 along!
jimbo
devil_dante wrote:
- for the 9500 pro(only pro) u can unlock the 4 extra
- pixel pipes and make it 8
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XyZspineZyX

11-10-2003, 01:26 AM

SZ:

You're right, it's a compiler issue, not a shader language issue. Either I mispoke, wasn't clear enough, or didn't think most people asking the question would understand that level of an answer. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Thor:

The reason HT gives the performance increase is what both Euro and I said - the OS, if using Win2k or XP, *is* multithreaded, and can take advantage of it. Without HT, the game and the OS take turns with the processor. With HT, if the game isn't using a certain part of the processor that the OS needs, it can divide up the instructions and use both parts of the processor at the same time for different tasks.

If the game is performing faster, it's because it has more access to the CPU than if it had to take turns. But that's true with any application, not just games. The question then becomes how much of a boost do you get, and the answer is well what kind of program are you running and what parts of the processor does it rely most heavily on compared to the OS.

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