Chess champ Fischer held in Japan

[Tazzak]

http://edition.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/asiapcf/07/16/fischer.japan/

[Tazzak]

http://edition.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/asiapcf/07/16/fischer.japan/

[Grim_O]

A sad history http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

There's an article on chessbase about it also: http://chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=1792

[Effenberg0x0]

I know you guys admire him and know his history much better than I do, and I know I'll get flamed for this but, did you guys read his website? He totally lost it IMHO.

All over the world, a lot of people feel unfairly pursued by the system once in a while, but hey, we take it to the justice, get a lawyer, sometimes we win, sometimes we loose, sometimes we make a deal, and that's the way life is.

He could have tried to waste this last years making his defense, propose a deal, whatever.
Clinton administration would be a good time to make this move maybe...

But instead he has choosen to disappear and state this crazy, idiotic, radical things in his website...

He seems to feel like he's the worlds most wanted man, the number one enemy, and that's paranoid, don't you think?

And all that anti-semitic things he say :| I'm not a jew, but come on, it's outrageous, we're in 2004 for God sake... Those opinions are just incompatible with our time, and unacceptable comming from a man with such a gifted brain.

I had never been to his website, had never read those things until today.... and now that I did, I just can't admire him... I think he needs psychiatric help. Maybe it's good they lock him up if they offer him some medical treatment...

Maybe he was one step from of joining Al Qaeda and exploding himself in a jew chess convention lol ... seriously, good luck to him...

[Grim_O]

I support him as a chess player. Imo he is the greatest chess player to have lived ever. As many, I like the old Fischer better than this returning Fischer with all his jew hating and cursing.
Though I will say it is sad if he gets locked up. Taken into account that he is an ******* now, he actually still manages to have a lot of popularity among chess player even though he hasn't touched a chess board for 12 years. How many are still concerned about what happens around Spassky or Larsen for example? Not many. But a lot still wants to know what Fischer is doing.

For Fischer himself I think he is in some way quite happy with this situation. A big fuss will be made about this now. He'll have plenty of oppertunities to speak about the corrupted US goverment, the jews taking over the world and that chess is rotten to the core and so on.

It would be damn sad if he should end up in jail. The worlds greatest chess player ending his days in jail, not a very good ending on a chess legacy.

[Fischer-The-2nd]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I know you guys admire him and know his history much better than I do, and I know I'll get flamed for this but, did you guys read his website? He totally lost it IMHO. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Don't think he's lost. Yes, some of his statements are quite stupid. Far the most though does have a good point if you take away all the rasistic behavior and cursing. A few examples might be his belongings that were just sold at an auction without his permission, that can't be right. Many people are using his name and existence to earn money on without him getting a penny (searching for bobby fischer, anyone?). Can't be fair either. The USCF has without permission from Bobby earned money on the book "Bobby fischer teaches chess" by making it into a cd-rom. Bobby didn't get a penny. Can't be fair either.
He says that the chess world is rotten to the core. I agree. Players agree to draws before the game is even started. It's all arranged. Kasparov gets special treatment because he attracts more sponsors than other players (a reason for Anand not to participate in Libya). The games are just plain boring. They play the same sicilian and Ruy Lopez games over and over again. There's no originality left in the game. It's just about who can remember the most moves.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> All over the world, a lot of people feel unfairly pursued by the system once in a while, but hey, we take it to the justice, get a lawyer, sometimes we win, sometimes we loose, sometimes we make a deal, and that's the way life is. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Bobby doesn't get a lawyer. He doesn't trust many persons and with good reason. And it isn't something small that has been taken away from him. It isn't like when someone gets to pay a few extra $ in taxes. It is millions of money that he hasn't gotten.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> But instead he has choosen to disappear and state this crazy, idiotic, radical things in his website... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yeah it's a little sad. But his dissapearing after the match with Spasky has made history. What is the best ending? To start chess at age 7 and beating everyone in the world. To become world champion and having insane ratings. And when finally everything had been won that was to win he dissapears on the top. No one would be able to prove they were better than him, ever.
Or to have a history as for example Karpovs. He played some of the best chess in the late 70s and early 80s. Then he faced Kasparov and people wondered if he still was the best. If he had stopped just before, could people then wonder?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> He seems to feel like he's the worlds most wanted man, the number one enemy, and that's paranoid, don't you think? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
He's the most paranoid person on earth and that's what makes him THE Bobby Fischer.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> And all that anti-semitic things he say :| I'm not a jew, but come on, it's outrageous, we're in 2004 for God sake... Those opinions are just incompatible with our time, and unacceptable comming from a man with such a gifted brain. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
It doesn't mean that he isn't a jew in the religious way (he isn't). It's more double termed, like "I'm not a liar or traitor" for example.
His behavior against jews can to some degree be explained as well. His mother let him down when he was a teenager. she was the first he didn't trust so to say. He seems to compare this with other people. For example the US goverment backing him up in 1972 but then later sending arrest orders out and having him wanted. Again someone he couldn't trust. Same that now happens with Japan, he can't trust them, therefore they are jews.
The term jew isn't used as a religious word but more as people who cannot be trusted or people who have failed him.


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I had never been to his website, had never read those things until today.... and now that I did, I just can't admire him... I think he needs psychiatric help. Maybe it's good they lock him up if they offer him some medical treatment... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
From a psychiatric point of view I also think he should get some treatment. But being the chessplayer I am I think it would destroy the Boby Fischer as we know him. His charisma is what people remember him for, it's what makes him the legend he is.

I wish him good luck too with this "problem".

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Fischer-The-2nd

Chess is 99 percent tactics. - Teichmann

Chess is really 99 percent calculation. - Soltis.

Modern chess is too much concerned with things like
pawn structure. Forget it - checkmate ends the game. - Short

[Tazzak]

I'd just to go on record for saying I don't admire Fischer. The only thing I can admire is the games he played in his time. The games are incredible. The man is just sad.

I for one am glad that he ended up playing chess and not devoting himself to say politics instead. His views sound very very familiar to me as far as history goes... (WW II anyone?)

[Grim_O]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I'd just to go on record for saying I don't admire Fischer. The only thing I can admire is the games he played in his time. The games are incredible. The man is just sad. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
That up to each individual to judge wheather he's worth to admire or not in the end. Either you hate him or you love him. I love him http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

[Grim_O]

I think you should all read this (if you haven't already) http://chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=1798
Also Mig has made some posts about it in his daily dirt on http://chessninja.com

[Rhoulette]

There's an interesting article about Bobby on Salon.com here (http://salon.com/). I thought it fascinating.

[Grim_O]

It is/was fasinatic Rhoulette http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif One of the better articles indded. I printed it (a long article I must say) and went to the toilet to enjoy some good reading (no I didn't read it all there, don't **** for so long).
Anyway, I think this is a must read article for sure. Even though it's quite long. Don't get frustrated when the printer just keeps spitting paper out, it will stop http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

[Fischer-The-2nd]

I think you should see this page: http://www.freebobby.org/ Dear wonder how many will add their name...
There's an article on chessbase about it also.

And yes the article on salon was very good, a joy to read http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Fischer-The-2nd

Chess is 99 percent tactics. - Teichmann

Chess is really 99 percent calculation. - Soltis.

Modern chess is too much concerned with things like
pawn structure. Forget it - checkmate ends the game. - Short

[Grim_O]

Added my name http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/heart.gif
I don't think it matters in the end, but nice to see that so many does support him after all http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Grim_O]

I'll give my credits to Spassky after reading his letter, you can read it on chessbase: http://chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=1843

The last few sentences are so well written, they'll be imortalized:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> If for some reason it is impossible, I would like to ask you the following: Please correct the mistake of President François Mitterand in 1992. Bobby and myself committed the same crime. Put sanctions against me also. Arrest me. And put me in the same cell with Bobby Fischer. And give us a chess set.

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