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09-13-2003, 12:13 AM

Originally posted on 09/12/03 11:51PM (server time: GMT 0)

This isn't a thread about copying anything or illegal this and that.

This thread's purpose is to vent feelings about how the RIAA is handling things the way they are, and any suggestions on how you feel they should handle things

you all know my stance

DON'T BUY CDs!

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09-13-2003, 12:13 AM

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09-13-2003, 12:14 AM

I think the riaa will run out of money

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09-13-2003, 12:27 AM

I think it is a bit rediculous that it only costs $1.00 to make a cd, but they charge $12.00 to $18.00 for it??

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09-13-2003, 12:29 AM

When the price of cd's get down to $5 dollars, then I will start buying them again. Until then the entire music industry can bite my cornHolio!

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09-13-2003, 12:30 AM

actually it costs them less than that $.50 /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

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09-13-2003, 12:32 AM

freakishly wrote:
- I think it is a bit rediculous that it only costs
- $1.00 to make a cd, but they charge $12.00 to $18.00
- for it??
-

How much does it cost to make a cd of SC? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Just a thought. As a little something to think of, why do we not get as upset over the prices of games? I'm the same, I will gladly pay â£40 for a game, but â£10 for a cd, I have to think real hard about that.

Why is that? In legal terms Riaa, are in the right. Not too sure about the moral and greed issues though. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif Someone said they will run out of money, I think they are right, unless of course they start winning all their cases. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

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09-13-2003, 12:32 AM

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I won't buy any cd's tru./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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09-13-2003, 12:32 AM

I feel exactly the same way, and only 5-7% of it goes to the artists. it is an insult. I refuse to buy a CD till all these lawsuits are done, and someone gets back bigtime by suing RIAA for suing them, or something like that. It is rediculous, they are suing 12 year olds. They also sued a 70+ year old man whose 9 year old granddaughter(or great granddaughter, I can't remember) downloaded some music for something like $200,000.

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09-13-2003, 12:34 AM

well tru there were sites where you could just pay the artist, but then the riaa stepped in /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

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09-13-2003, 12:35 AM

hawk I would say because you get far more enjoyment from a game, and you can always hear the songs on the radio for free./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif I think game prices are high too though.

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09-13-2003, 12:59 AM

SKULLS_Hawk wrote:
- How much does it cost to make a cd of SC?
- Just a thought. As a little something to think of,
- why do we not get as upset over the prices of games?
- I'm the same, I will gladly pay â£40 for a game, but
- â£10 for a cd, I have to think real hard about that.

have you ever just sat there and watched the credits of a game these days after you beat it? do you see how many people go into making games now. i think the prices need to be that high so everyone can get paid. just my thoguhts though.

i would like it though if games went back to being $30.

as for the RIAA, i see them as nothing but greedy monopolizers. id like it better if the starving artists, the ones who have actual talent, would make at least half of the profits from what they poured their souls into

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09-13-2003, 01:15 AM

^AMEN!

Give the artists the money they diserve. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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09-13-2003, 06:51 AM

I haven't bought a new CD in over a year. Why? Not because of downloading (I don't download music, takes too long and it's not worth the aggrivation). It's because I haven't found anything that I want to listen to. That's what the real problem is.

I remember on the first day of Economics 101, the professor said if you have a product and want to sell it you set teh price at what you think people will pay. If people aren't willing to pay that price you can do two things. Give them a different product or LOWER THE PRICE. The RIAA needs to face the fact that the market can't bear $17.99 for CD's anymore. And suing their customer base into poverty is not going to make people buy CD's again. Especially now that word is out they bullied a 12 year old girl and a grandfather in their latest efforts.

There are certain things also that are basic economic principles at work AGAINST the RIAA:

Market Saturation : There are too many acts that sound the same. How many guys with deep voices who sound like Creed and Pearl Jam complaining about how much life sucks do I have to endure on the radio? The market place is now flooded with over priced inferior product. Also, I'm 30 years old. I'm not going to buy a Britney Spears CD. Not gonna happen. Most of the music that the industry has been churning out has been horrible. There's nobody with any staying power anymore. Is it any wonder why sales are down ANOTHER 10% in August alone.

Control: It used to be back "in the day" that the record industry had the only means for making CD's. Now every kid has a computer with a CD-RW drive in their bedroom. And now that people know the actual cost of making a CD (a few pennies) it has led to a consumer backlash. People KNOW the product is overpriced. But the industry's response, even in the wake of federal clash action suit that found them guilty of price fixing has been "You're going to overpay and you're going to like it". Remember that episode of South Park, when the record executive kept saying "I AM ABOVE THE LAW!!". With all thier high priced lobbyists and lawyers on their side, that parody isn't far from the truth. The industry has believed it was untouchable for decades. Now that the consumer has taken back a sizeable sum of their power, the music industry is running scared.

More competition: I have more choices for my entertainment dollar now. I don't have to buy CD's and for alot of people like me, CD's are a BAD entertainment value. I recently purchased SOCOM US Navy SEALS for PS2. I paid $19.99. I know I'm going to get at least a good 30-50 hours of entertainment out of that game. And if you added in the online play the hours of entertainment grow exponentially. For $17.99 I could have bought a CD with about 12 tracks and 45 minutes of music on it. Factor out the throw aways, and you cut that down to about 12 minutes of entertainment. Also DVD's are still growing. I bought Daredevil and Lord Of The Rings on DVD recently. Both were $15.99 and had two discs with over 8 hours each of material on them. That's $2.00 LESS than the price of a CD. The price of the compact disc has increased and the quality of the CD has not increased over the past 15 years. Meanwhile, DVD's and video games have been giving you more bang for your buck. Simple fact. People think DVD's and video games are a better entertainment value now than CD's. So what's next? Is the RIAA going to sue Sony because the PS2 cuts into their profits? Is Peter Jackson going to be slapped with a cease and desist to stop the next Lord Of The Rings movie from being released? Perhaps the RIAA should sue Marvel Comics for giving 20th Century Fox the rights to make a Daredevil movie.

So why is the industry trying to squash downloading. One word : FEAR. They fear a time when they will actually have to give artists a real stake in record sales. They fear a time when there will be no Gulf Stream jets, no luxury condos in Jamaica, no hangers on, no groupies, no Yes-Men and no unlimited streams of money. They fear the time that they can no longer "laugh at the little people". They fear that the industry will cease to be the huge party that it is and will actually have to be run like a business.

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09-13-2003, 11:35 AM

CaptainHarlock
Well stated. You make good points.

-" Most of the music that the industry has been
- churning out has been horrible. There's nobody with
- any staying power anymore."
True, because when somone like a Britney, Eminem or Limpbiskit hit, the record labels try to duplicate it. The Backstreet Boys led to N'Sync led to 98 Degrees, etc. It DOES all start to sound the same. There are artists with staying power, however most of the big record labels have either dropped them or don't promote their music because they can't make as much money off of them. Plus those artists new music is hardly heard on the radio thus less promotion resulting in fewer sales.

-
- "So why is the industry trying to squash downloading.
- One word : FEAR. They fear a time when they will
- actually have to give artists a real stake in record
- sales."

Fear, yes. Actually Artists do get a cut, but it's minute. Plus, the production costs, both studio and manufacturing are backed out of the artists portion. The way an artist makes any real money is touring.

-"They fear a time when there will be no Gulf
- Stream jets, no luxury condos in Jamaica, no hangers
- on, no groupies, no Yes-Men and no unlimited streams
- of money. They fear the time that they can no longer
- "laugh at the little people". They fear that the
- industry will cease to be the huge party that it is
- and will actually have to be run like a business."

Actually the party has been over for some time. Way back in the day there was a ton of money thrown around all in the name of promotion. I've been on trips paid for by record labels (mainly to radio and record convertions), when my son was born, we received so much stuff from record people we had to give some of it away. I've worked for people who have been given computers, home entertainment systems, etc all for playing a song on the radio. But in the last few years, much of that has dried up due to the changes in radio. There is still alot of money thrown around, but not nearly as much as in years past (I won't even go into how it was in the 70's!). Plus most of the record labels are under tighter fiscal scrutiny from their own parent companies due to the downturn in the economy and stock market.

That's not to say the record labels have my sympathy. They've brought this on themselves. Instead of trying to fight and stop online downloading, they should have found a creative way to make money off of it. Apple Music is a good example - it sells songs for 99 cents each and is very successful.

Captain - good points all!

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09-14-2003, 01:34 AM

"They fear a time when there will be no Gulf Stream jets"

WEll who would want a gulfstream when you can have a Boeing Business Jet?

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Crap, i could live more comfortably on one of those and have more room for my stuff than in my apartment. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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09-14-2003, 02:02 AM

lol...I dont know what a Gulf Stream Jet is...

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09-14-2003, 02:08 AM

SkateRazors46 wrote:
- lol...I dont know what a Gulf Stream Jet is...
-

It's a private jet service that alot of CEO's use.

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09-14-2003, 02:17 AM

It's a bad situation.. I'm not sharing many files, but my dad told me to quit it, after reading an article in the newspaper about a 12 year old girl getting sued. I dont mind buying CD's.. but they're overpriced. Personally, I think $2.00 dollars a CD should go to the artists, 75cents should be for the making of the CD, simply because you'd want to make a profit, and $5.00 dollars for distibuting. But instead, they charge $10 dollars to go to the artist, $5.00 for distributing, and $3.00 for making of the CD. Thats a rip-off.

They're right now, trying to get people scared. And personally, I am too.

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09-14-2003, 02:38 AM

LOL...it be nice if the artists got 10 bucks off each CD. They dont.

3 Bucks go to the artist, 5 go to the marketers and 10 goes to the RIAA and the rest of the big shot middlemen.

I never have shared files, i get my music by other methods, not because im afraid of the RIAA suing me, but because i am afraid of the viruses and spyware that lurk on P2P services.

The RIAA's reign of lawsuits, Escelades, GUlfstreams and pools of money will come to an end.

A local radio show guy from around me, Brother Wease, has offered to PAY the court FOR the 12 year old girl... Now the ARtists, the musicians and the radio hosts are sick of the RIAA, when will the big shots finally realize they are systematically destroying the music industry?

I cant wait until the RIAA goes bankrupt from their own lawsuits fees. Then CD prices will drop at least 5 bucks, and we will no longer have "flavor of the week artists" who are just out to make money by ripping off someone elses music and adding a rap to the background.

What will be left will be musicians who CARE about MUSIC and FANS. And we will have CHEAP CDS WORTH BUYING.

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09-14-2003, 02:42 AM

I'll bet you half the people that are downloading and sharing music are doing it just to mock the Riaa.

Music is over priced for it's value,
as stated before (fogaot who) Video games and DVD's give you hundreds more hours of entertainment than cd's and their self relying meaning, no one sits and just listens to a cd they do something else, but with a video game or a movie you just do that one thing.

If they wanna get me to buy cd's their gonna have to drop the price to $10 or less.

Music sales biggest buyers are kids/teens, what do they think their made of money , who has the money to fork $18 a cd, there's better more entertaning ways to spend $18 bucks then on a $0.4 cent cd.

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09-14-2003, 02:44 AM

It's kind of funny all the big, long posts here have a subject already mentioned, or is going to be, by another member..

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09-14-2003, 02:44 AM

I can buy a package of 50 blank CD's and burn stuff onto them for only 3/4 the price of ONE music CD.../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

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09-14-2003, 02:47 AM

but thats because the ripped music was FREE.

What was that airline post about...?

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09-14-2003, 02:49 AM

I get my my blank cd's at Office Max and Office Depot, I once had around 500 cd-r all for about $3 bucks /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

hmmm if I bought music cd's from the store that be around $9000 /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

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09-14-2003, 03:00 AM

woodyjohnson425 wrote:
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- Fear, yes. Actually Artists do get a cut, but it's
- minute. Plus, the production costs, both studio and
- manufacturing are backed out of the artists portion.
- The way an artist makes any real money is touring.
-

I remember a while back when the Napster lawsuits were first filed Dave Grohl of Foo Fighters was on the Howard Stern Show. Howard asked him what he thought about Napster. Dave said "I don't care about Napster, I don't make any money off of record sales anyway. I make my money by going out and playing".

What we have to remember in this is that, the RIAA is not protecting the "artists". Their mantra is that they are protecting the "copyright holders". Which are the record labels and the corporate machines that run them.The industry has been screwing artists for decades. Now that the chickens have come home to roost, they find they are getting slowly pecked to death if you will.

All industrys changed. When television came into prominence, the movie industry changed. When the Japanese came into power in the auto industry, the Big 3 in Detroit had to change with Chrysler leading the charge. Unfortunately for the RIAA there is no visionary like Lee Iococa. Change or die. It's that simple.

And for those who haven't seen this. Here's a great flash cartoon from the guys who brought you the NAPSTER BAD!! series.

Enjoy
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09-14-2003, 11:16 AM

I saw that they also had a law suit for Kazaa Lite. All the links are broken. They even removed it from Download.com!
What do people want? Downloading music with spyware or without????

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09-14-2003, 11:22 AM

i genrally hate the RIAA,,,,that's why i NEVER download song's,

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09-14-2003, 03:11 PM

^i sense sarcasm^

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09-14-2003, 04:04 PM

spywares a big deal...but it doesnt affect me anymore, wahoo! lol.

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