Please post here to ask UBI to remove the TRICKY DELAY STUFF!

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Post if you like it or dont like it and why not. So we can get them to put the delay back in. Tricking our eyes is not doing the work.!

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Post if you like it or dont like it and why not. So we can get them to put the delay back in. Tricking our eyes is not doing the work.!

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Yes, plz put back the trigger lag, better than bullet lag, thx.

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I agree with Seal Bullet lag suckes TAKE IT OUT

[XyZspineZyX]

Agree.

[XyZspineZyX]

man cmon guys, we should be able to get more. but i agree the old way (1.31) was better. the game as a whole sorta seems smoother though, so good job ubi in that regard.
but yes, put the triggers back the way they were until you
fix the problem for real.

[XyZspineZyX]

Agreed.Bring back trigger lag.

[XyZspineZyX]

I AGREE JWHEN PB COMES OUT MAKE ITR ALL SERVER SIDE AND REMOVER BOTH =p

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Yeah, put it back in with 1.41, because I can't stand playing like this /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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i like the 1.31 trigger thing the 1.4 is like spray and pray

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MaD has already posted many posts about this, but another will just get the point across a bit more...yes...plz....either give us a patch as good as 1.3 or better, or give death to RvS, because that's what 1.4 is.

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EVERYONE PLEASE GET PEOPLE TO POST thxxxxxx

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yeah but my topic for the thread owns way more

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Yes, I cannot beleive they would try to "trick" us into thinking they changed the netcode.

TAKE THIS CRAP OUT ASAP!


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Yeah, this truly sucks

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I agree. bullet lag is worse than trigger lag. when people asked to have trigger lag removed, they didnt mean to trade one type of lag for another. they meant to actually have no lag when shooting.

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its horrible, i never really had trigger lag in the first place. it was always shoot and the other guy would die in an instant. now i have to tap full auto standing still across the map just to get a kill, i cant even hit anyone on the run anymore. not to mention the fact that the faster shooting guns are like dirt now (the famas).

[XyZspineZyX]

i disagree they should have nbo trigger lag and fix bullet lag if possible. trigger lag was just ruining the game although i agree the bullet lag is bad.

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AGreed

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I would rather have triiger lag than bullet lag. I see bullet lag on every single server regardless of ping. Trigger lag I only get on higer pinging servers...

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I agree, I haven't played it but if it's like the old R6 games then I prefer trigger delay.

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AGREE!!!!!

Remove this POS! Please.

[XyZspineZyX]

it was ruining the game for people with 56k and high pings who shouldn't even bother trying to play online cause they will just lag.

[XyZspineZyX]

Agreed, put the trigger lag back on.

[XyZspineZyX]

yea i liked the Trigger lag better then this gay *** bullet lag.

[XyZspineZyX]

YES PLZ FIX! ASAP!

[XyZspineZyX]

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Message Edited on 08/13/0309:51PM by m0ney_z3pp

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Yes, plz remove it ! make us happy for once !

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Changing the game in the way UBI did should be avalible under Downloads/Mods .. not patches. This feels like a total conversion. Back to 1.31 (this time without the bugs)

[XyZspineZyX]

Agreed. this bullet lag is horrid. Visual eye candy dont fool us but nice try.

[XyZspineZyX]

I support removal of the aesthetic qualities that are currently causing the release of the bullets from the barrel to not coincide with the graphic and sounds the user experiences upon pulling of the trigger. Give us the trigger lag, at least that way, we know we aren't firing yet, and can on our own compensate. Basically, you have taken the ability to compensate out.

OR.... fix the netcode altogether!!!!

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Take it away, pronto.

[XyZspineZyX]

Yes, here is my vote as well...

[XyZspineZyX]

Go back to the trigger bug, remove the bullet lag

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Hear, hear!

Bump, bump!

Makes me sick to see UBI destroying the game... /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif


Also:
#1 Stats screen has begun to lag every time a round finishes. Takes about 2-5 seconds before stats appear. (I guess u know what I mean.)

#2 ASE-support has been fiddled with.I'm getting startup videos everytime I join a server via ASE! =p

#3 Adding planning map between rounds was great, but WHY we now have to suffer a 'map updated' flood?

Does this company do TESTING at all?

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Remove it or even better make it work.

[XyZspineZyX]

i agree fixing the whole trigger code might just be this side of heaven but if thats not a reality putting trigger lag back would be a nice alternative

[XyZspineZyX]

dont touch planning maps and take out the chat protection if u dont like spam play in a server with admin or people who can votekick

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agreed square. give us no trigger delay AND no bullet lag...can't be that hard. i mean you only screwed up the build engine, maybe you shouldn't have done that.

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i think that ubi is by now tired of hearing us complain about the patches that they work soooo hard to screw up, they havnt gotten one patch right what makes anyone here think that they will listen to us now, they worked sooooooo hard on the patch1.4, and the PR campaign us complaining is just gonna make them make more bugs. Screw it im gonna go play Yahoo Pool till i can afford BF1942

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Please remove it. Simple and plain.

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Gah spend ur time doing sometin useful and fix the game ... instead of making cosmetic improvements to cover up ur mistakes. Spam protection ....ha!



Message Edited on 08/13/0306:22PM by DLR-KaCo

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I liked the "pre 1.4" animation timing.

Atleast it was a case of knowing when my bullets were fired.


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I can't believe this. Raven Shield with 1.4 works like any game in the Market. What is your problem with that? In no way we should the trigger lag back. With trigger lag the only players that can play are the 60 and less pingers. Everyone else is doomed! Now everyone clan play! I can't believe that even serious clans like MIN believe the return of a BUG is good. They probably rely their skill on this as it is the only way to kill players with mediocre pings.

For sake of God ubi don't listen to them. The community itself wants to fix and then destroy Raven Shield. Just get used to it. That is the way almost all games in the world work. That is the way the UT2003 netcode works. What is your problem?

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Ya take it back, that way when I can actually get this pile of crap you call a game with Multiplayer option to log on and actually play online to work. I wont have to deal with it.

I have had this game two days, I have checked all my gear twice, checked with my ISP twice, reconfiged my router, unhooked my router, opened closed ports twice, talked to support twice and still no go.

They (support) said the servers are clogged up. I cant even log on much less pick a server.

I would like to use a really bad word here, but some moderator half my age will come along and delete it.

so Edit/ bad word removed \Edit. Beat you to it.

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IHI.OuTcAsT wrote:
- I can't believe this. Raven Shield with 1.4 works
- like any game in the Market. What is your problem
- with that? In no way we should the trigger lag back.
- With trigger lag the only players that can play are
- the 60 and less pingers. Everyone else is doomed!
- Now everyone clan play! I can't believe that even
- serious clans like MIN believe the return of a BUG
- is good. They probably rely their skill on this as
- it is the only way to kill players with mediocre
- pings.
-
- For sake of God ubi don't listen to them. The
- community itself wants to fix and then destroy Raven
- Shield. Just get used to it. That is the way almost
- all games in the world work. That is the way the
- UT2003 netcode works. What is your problem?
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Its worse for high ping people now, You just havent payed attention yet.




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AGREED TAKE IT BACK! PLEASE!

[XyZspineZyX]

outcast, ive just realized that half the stuff you say is idiotic. with the trigger specs in 1.31 you could actually hit someone. this trigger patch was nothing more than a farce. we still have lag but its much worse for most people(read the posts) and its manifestation is much more frustrating. the majority of people want it out. you can keep it in for all we care.

you say we are crazy to ask that the bug be put back, d******, the bug never left.


Message Edited on 08/13/0310:42PM by corndog12356789

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Down with bullet lag, back to trigger lag.

Outcast, they didn't fix anything, the lag is still there, you just "see" it shoot earlier now.

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[XyZspineZyX]

I agree this POS Patch shouldn't be mandated anywhere, please if you must change this in and 1.41 and get rid of the bullet delay. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE
Thank you!

[XyZspineZyX]

Lol, the way I see it, not much changed. The gun fires immediately when you hit the mouse button but the bullets register later. This way the lag that was always there is visible to most people because in the old days the gun wouldn't fire immediately when u hit the fire button. Now the delay from firing to registering is simulated correctly.in previous versions you had the false feeling you had no lag because the firing animation was delayed.
Anyways, I ain't not freaking expert with my 56k now, I dont have my cable now so i can't say any more, just judging from other mates and what they've told me.Also bear in mind that untill you play at the same servers (till all update) things might be bad for you. Ofcourse, I'm only speaking theoritically since I haven't tried it out on a decent connection yet, but I really can't see how they added extra lag;lol I mean they hate our guts, but not at this point;p
Dunno what to say, I'm eagerly anticipating the next live team response.
All they had to do is use client side netcode all along. Why do they try to do everything their way?
Why dare audio?
Why server side netcode?
Why old crappy UT engine version...
Why so many patches to do things we mentioned from demo day one?
Sniff;/

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remove the bullet lag please.

I come to think about it and I think the demo 1.0 version is the best so far. retail version 1.31 was good so why don't stick to it until you can fix the bugs in a real way?

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[XyZspineZyX]

Get rid the this trick which is a cheap attempt to cover up the lag. Remove the Bullet delay. Sync the animation back up with the bullets and not the mouse.

Fix the lag by improving the netcode.

[XyZspineZyX]

I would like to see the trigger pull/fire back how it was before this patch. I don't like my bullets being out of sync with my weapon firing.

I would really like to see true client-side netcode if possible...this game would be so much better and more fun.

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I disagree, they should leave the sync with the mouse and not the bullets. IT's been like this in EVERY game. The lag though should have been gone from a long long time. Christ this is patch number...hm I've lost the count, and it is so many months after release, so many months after demo and it has been discussed to death. Freaking fix it will ya? Thx /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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[XyZspineZyX]

Once again ubi takes us for fools.

[XyZspineZyX]

ubi mess up again

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Neo_Geo.GR wrote:
- I disagree, they should leave the sync with the
- mouse and not the bullets. IT's been like this in
- EVERY game. The lag though should have been gone
- from a long long time. Christ this is patch
- number...hm I've lost the count, and it is so many
- months after release, so many months after demo and
- it has been discussed to death. Freaking fix it will
- ya? Thx /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
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ill say that again 2.52

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bring bak the trigger lag, bullet lag sucks

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yea, change it back to the way it was in 1.31

on another note, ROFL @ soco, it's so true.

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1.4 is much better, it finally gives people that actually have reaction time, and don't just sit there and camp an advantage....

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we never said that Lee, we said it sucks that theres a delay when you fire.

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LOL Soco /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

[XyZspineZyX]

Keep this about the removal of bullet lag post a thread elsewhere if you disagree.

REMOVE BULLET LAG REIMPLEMENT 1.31 style.

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Please put it back...1.4 and bullet lag is a step backward.

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PUT IT BACK!!!!!!!!!

[XyZspineZyX]

kinda tough to get used to.. why did this happen anyways? just wondering if UBI thought we wouldn't notice or something...

[XyZspineZyX]

They (UBI) need to remove bullet lag and trigger lag, why the hell would you add trigger lag or bullet lag?

Some people actually try and say that it makes the game more realistic but that is BS just like when you fire a real gun there is (Lag) between the time you chose to fire and you pulling the trigger ie the same lag as when you chose to shoot a tango and you pressing the mouse button

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Although the either lag can be improved, Ubi doesn't have the resource to change the code completely eliminate either lag.

You have to choose one or the other.

I can work with trigger lag, I don't have a clue what's happening with bullet lag.

[XyZspineZyX]

YES PLEASE REMOVE 1.4 patch TRIGGER DELAY IS BETTER THAN BULLET DELAY!!!!

[XyZspineZyX]

for god sakes put it back to 1.31

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Well not back to 1.31 everything else is great except for the bullet lag.

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i havent got to play around with 1.4 yet online but is it really bad bullet delay once you shoot even for 30 pingers? or is it just for 100ms and up

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EVERYONE... even on 30ms server.

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DOWN WITH 1.4 BULLET DELAY LICKS DONKEY NUTS!!!!! BACK TO 1.31 WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE TRIGGER DELAY IS BETTER WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[XyZspineZyX]

I agree !!!

If it can't be REALLY FIXED than lets stay with 'trigger lag'
coz 1.4 is unplayable.


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[XyZspineZyX]

Agree.

[XyZspineZyX]

Put trigger lag back in.
The only true way to have no trigger lag is too have a ping of 0 and if you have that you have your con setting messed up.

What ubi did was remove trigger lag so that it appeared that your gun fires right when u pull the trigger but the bullets don't get registered untill later.

Trigger lag was much better than bullet lag but if both could be removed that would be great.

Hopefully 1.41, due out Tuesday I believe, will go back to the 1.31 trigger lag method.

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no lag at all plz ubi http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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I was playing on a server today with 10, I repeat 10 ping and I still got bullet lag. How bad is that?
Before I never got trigger lag unless I had a ping 150 or above.

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Note: use stat net or net stat -can't remember which one it was cause I have it binded- in console to find your real ping. 10 ms is not your ping /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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Yeah if you're a player who actually aims, having your weapon recoil and 'fire' and then have to wait for your bullets to come out, it screwed it up. At least with trigger delay you could time it.

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How about 1.32 for pb instead of 1.41.

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Agreed, this is getting rediculous. I just love shooting someone, running 3 steps past them then dying, great fun.

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1.32 for pb instead of 1.41

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agree...

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Ok, fellas. You guys are just *nuts*. Getting rid of trigger lag is getting back *exactly* what we've had since Rainbow 6, Rogue Spear, and just about how it's done in every single tactical FPS made since.

It's what we've all asked for and complained about for *hell* of a long time. And now you guys want it gone again? This just baffles me.

Unless it's a case of UBI's netcode being *so* bad that the delay between shooting and someone being hit is that obvious. In that case, it's not the trigger lag being removed that's the problem. It's just shoddy high latency net code in the first place. But we've always had bullet hit latency before, especially over 56K (and trigger lag makes it unplayable with such a connection)... and unless we're now seeing greater bullet lag than we used to have, I don't see what the problem is.


I really hope you guys are complaining because of unoptimal net code making the effect even more noticible than any other product. Otherwise, then it is true that there's just no pleasing some folks. =P


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The bullit lag has to go it is honestly making the game unplayable even for me, and I have the most hours played.
To see your rets right on a person and not even gimp them is just nuts, I dont even know how clans are gonna match in this crap and thats all some people do is match, if they dont fix this there's realy no point in playing, every kill now just seems random.

I want it back the way it was.

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At least before this if the gun went off your bullets were on target. Now there is no way of knowing for at least a half a second. Makes everything a crapshoot now. You think spraying was bad before, now you have to prefire every corner to have a chance...

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the amount of bullets missing now when you think your shooting something is unbearable... It used to take me on average 4-5 bullets per person in a match of 10 now I'm exhausting an entire clip on everyperson i see.

OctaNe

[XyZspineZyX]

Whats really sad is the Demo freakin flat out rocked...but the more UBI listened to all the ignorant people complain and try to make them happy by changing the game..well the worse it got. It got worse because the devolpers screwed up and started listening to many people that aren't exactly creavtive OR brilliant.

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The only guns that seem to work now are those guns with 100 % stability. If i wanted to play a game with no recoil I would have stayed with Rogue Spear.



Message Edited on 08/13/0306:44PM by m0ney_z3pp

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please, dont attempt to mess w. stuff .. the trigger lag was bad enough before .. now u have just masked it in the travel time of the bullet .... both blow goats & need to disappear! ..... this game "could" be an awesome game .. please .. forward the reply on to management ... devote more time & money to the LIVE TEAM. You are driving the consumer away from ur products by not supporting them in an adequate matter! I love this game, but the half assed attempts to patch it are not helping! .... how many revisions are we gonna see ..

PLEASE JUST FIX THE DANG GAME .... NOT 5 PATCHES FROM NOW

Thx Radius

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i havent minded the trigger lag from day one, it never was a big problem unless u were 56k, i dont see why people b1tched about it so much, it added skill to the game, anyways all we need is for the trigger lag to be reinstated and whatever tweaks u did to the net code to be reverted becuz the game lags worse then it ever has and my fps is [edited].


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Yea give us back the trigger lag as it was in previous versions. At least then we knew how much it lagged and could prepare.

Less whine, more play

[XyZspineZyX]

The bullet lag is the same as its always been from day one. all that is different is the gun shoots when u pull the trigger. u used to hae a delay from when u pulled the trigger to your gun shooting. the bullets are the same. you are being deceieved by the gun shooting before bullets come out... ur just not used to it. play just like you were before 1.4 aim a little infront

[XyZspineZyX]

Trigger lagg is better.

over 400 people i have talked too hate this new crap. put it back the old way u just basically ruined the game. also get punkbuster out and the world will love u.


MIN_Seal wrote:
- Post if you like it or dont like it and why not. So
- we can get them to put the delay back in. Tricking
- our eyes is not doing the work.!
-
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-

[XyZspineZyX]

Clark_R6 wrote:
- The bullet lag is the same as its always been from
- day one. all that is different is the gun shoots
- when u pull the trigger. u used to hae a delay from
- when u pulled the trigger to your gun shooting. the
- bullets are the same. you are being deceieved by
- the gun shooting before bullets come out... ur just
- not used to it. play just like you were before 1.4
- aim a little infront
-

No. The feedback of when the bullets are actually leaving is useful in helping. You can adjust to the variation in lag from minute to minute and server to server. It also tells you when you're in a lag spike and should just duck for cover.

The adjustment you talk about is good for one level of lag. Have a match in another server with worse ping and you'll miss consistently at first.

Other fps's where you see the projectile (UT2k3) can help you adjust quickly. You don't see the bullets travelling in RvS so you can't adjust off your bullets. You have to learn the 'lead' you need for a certain lag. If that lag changes your hosed. Probably for several rounds and maybe maps. In a match that will lose you the game.



Message Edited on 08/13/0311:58PM by EffenCrazy

[XyZspineZyX]

Clark_R6 wrote:
- The bullet lag is the same as its always been from
- day one. all that is different is the gun shoots
- when u pull the trigger. u used to hae a delay from
- when u pulled the trigger to your gun shooting. the
- bullets are the same. you are being deceieved by
- the gun shooting before bullets come out... ur just
- not used to it. play just like you were before 1.4
- aim a little infront


thats the stupidest thing ive ever heard, do u know that trigger delay (aka bullet delay) varies from server to server, so when ur gun fires instantly u never know when exactly your bullets are leaving your gun which makes for no skill, just luck, on the other hand trigger lag actually shows u when ur gun is firing so u know where to aim, the fact that u idjits are defending this is absolutely absurd! nothing has changed with bullet delivery time, the only thing that has changed is ur gun decievingly fires and recoils long before it ever shuold which totally throws u off, so i dont know why the hell anyone is for this becuz u never know when the hell ur gun IS ACTUALLY FIRING!!

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[XyZspineZyX]

put it back the way it was.

[XyZspineZyX]

please!

[XyZspineZyX]

Bump

[XyZspineZyX]

put it back put it back put it back

[XyZspineZyX]

PUT IT BACK PUT IT BACK PUT IT BACK PUT IT BACK PUT IT BACK PUT IT BACK PUT IT BACK PUT IT BACK PUT IT BACK PUT IT BACK PUT IT BACK PUT IT BACK PUT IT BACK PUT IT BACK PUT IT BACK PUT IT BACK PUT IT BACK PUT IT BACK PUT IT BACK PUT IT BACK PUT IT BACK PUT IT BACK PUT IT BACK PUT IT BACK PUT IT BACK PUT IT BACK PUT IT BACK PUT IT BACK PUT IT BACK PUT IT BACK PUT IT BACK PUT IT BACK PUT IT BACK PUT IT BACK PUT IT BACK PUT IT BACK PUT IT BACK PUT IT BACK PUT IT BACK PUT IT BACK PUT IT BACK PUT IT BACK PUT IT BACK PUT IT BACK PUT IT BACK



Message Edited on 08/14/0305:05AM by m0ney_octane

[XyZspineZyX]

NO WAY! It's way better like this. Besides I haven't noticed too much of a problem even on laggy servers. Have you tried adjusting your netspeed?

[XyZspineZyX]

put it back to 1.31 trigger lag.....this plainly SUCKS

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[XyZspineZyX]

cowanchicken your outnumbered by about 100 people on this thread... you must have been playing single player.

OctaNe

[XyZspineZyX]

I'm with Kempi.

[XyZspineZyX]

Client side hit detection.
It's not impossible to do this without it being easily abusable. There would be NO bullet or trigger lag, whatsoever. The movement lag would be the issue that needed work at that point, but it would be a huge step foreward.

[XyZspineZyX]

Ok i have never encounter any of the previous trigger lag or frag lock or ladder bug before. but i have to say the this new bullit bug has upset me ten fold. not only am i not hitting people point blank i can't even hit them on the run anymore like i was able to do in the previous versions. plus i notice that some weapons that were very good are crap now IE:FamasG2 which was a very good weapon to use. now with this new patch it sucks horse crap.

go back to the orginal code and don't mess with it anymore.

[XyZspineZyX]

Give us back the trigger lag as it was in previous versions. Patches are supposed to make things BETTER ubi!!!

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[XyZspineZyX]

The didn't fix it, they just tried to trick our eyes...I say this has to go...bring back the old way...

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[XyZspineZyX]

fix them both, neither should be purposely put into the game... but if i had to choose trigger lag is better then bullet lag

[XyZspineZyX]

Remove bullet lag !!! It ruined the game !!!

I never had a problem with anything before (except fraglock but i have encountered that problem only 5-6 times)

But the game became to SPRAY AND PRAY with 1.4, remove it or this community will remove that crap from their computers.

[XyZspineZyX]

I truly cant believe how crappy Close Quarters Combat got in this game... THIS MUST BE FIXED!

[XyZspineZyX]

Yupp, fix it.
Fast!
(Even if it means putting back the trigger-lag. I want to see, what I'm hitting!)

Message Edited on 08/14/0310:53AM by TheRealNecator

[XyZspineZyX]

Yep, me and everyone on DFA dislike the current disrepency between the shot and bullet effects, makes the game feel slippery and random. please make trigger pull and bullet hit insinc again, and bring punk buster, the game ill be fine then.

[XyZspineZyX]

you guys are lol


insert flames here!

[XyZspineZyX]

Neo_Geo.GR wrote:
- you guys are lol
-
-
- insert flames here!
-
-

Why? becouse we want this game to be playable again?
Becouse we want bullets leaving the barrel to be actually
leaving when we see them leaving?
What's so 'lol' about that?!

"...hell is The Impossibility Of Reason..."

[XyZspineZyX]

I vote for this patch to be fixed. I never had Trigger lag, but this bullet lag is just ridiculous.

[XyZspineZyX]

I agree, get rid of the firing lag...
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[XyZspineZyX]

Agreed take it OUT

[XyZspineZyX]

I dont usually post, but i will post on this... this was not the way to go about "fixing" trigger lag plz for the love of cheese return to the 1.3 way of firing!

[XyZspineZyX]

AGREE
Triguer lag was not a ishue for me (if i kept on good ping servers) but now no matter the server i got bullet lag, horryble game play u now have to shoot ahead of your target (unless hes not moving) to get a hit...that is not viable in this type of gameplay.
PUT BACK RvS THE WAY IT WAS...IT WAS FINE WITH TRIGUER LAG
JUST IMPROVE THE NETCODE SO WE DONT GET TANGOS POPING OUT OF CORNERS AND SUTCH.

I also take the opportunity to point out the unbalance generated by the exagerated damage of SP ARs...devs exagerated, the idea is good but they over did it. Mid damage from what it was to what it is now is the way to go...u will all feel (if not yet) the serious NEGATIVE impact it will have on the gameplay but that is another topic.

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[XyZspineZyX]

This is terrible ubi, its like a whole new game where we have to learn how to aim again

this is not funny, i see nothing wrong with the old way that bullets are sent away with the slight delay, if the server is good and pings are as they should be we have no problems with the old way

u cant just change the game like that without consulting the community http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

NES|Reggie



Message Edited on 08/14/0312:00PM by Reggie_02

[XyZspineZyX]

badassniper wrote:
- I vote for this patch to be fixed. I never had
- Trigger lag, but this bullet lag is just ridiculous.
-

AMEN!

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[XyZspineZyX]

I dont have 1.4 yet but I certainly wont be getting it after this feedback. CHANGE IT BACK!



QUICK!

[XyZspineZyX]

Please put the trigger back to the way it was.

[XyZspineZyX]

boo-hoo my trigger lag i want it back... boo-hoo get rid of trigger lag.... repeat ad neaseum.

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[XyZspineZyX]

The idea is that people wanted the lag fixed and not cosmetically covered up. Don't be an a$$.

[XyZspineZyX]

remove the trigger lag thing PLEASE

[XyZspineZyX]

REMOVE THE BULLET LAG........... REMOVE IT NOW!!!!!!

[XyZspineZyX]

hey moron its bullet lag not trigger lag

[XyZspineZyX]

m0ney_octane wrote:
- cowanchicken your outnumbered by about 100 people on
- this thread... you must have been playing single
- player.

You must be a ******* cuz I played MP all day yesterday.


=RAV=DirKus



Message Edited on 08/14/0310:21AM by Cowanchicken

[XyZspineZyX]

If that's the case cow, then you're the most unobservant fool I've seen if you don't see the prob with this. It will ruin ladder play IMO...reading through this thread I see two TWL admins that are apposed to it here as well, Ubi, you gotta realize how a cosmetic cover up is bs. Either give us back trigger lag(which I never got) or fix the bullet lag all together, which I don't suspect could or would happen. So put back trigger lag, cuz I never got that and never had to come on these boards and complain before, then watch idiots reply with their g0dly knowledge. I would appriciate to never have to come back to these boards again and stay away from these.....people.

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[XyZspineZyX]

You know the funny thing is that I always got trigger lag, and now I never get bullet lag, but for some people it's the other way around. Why don't we just tell them to fix the netcode so we get niether?

[XyZspineZyX]

calling yourself moron? the current problem is trigger lag, the old problem is bulletlag... read posts sker....

[XyZspineZyX]

nt = No Text

"...hell is The Impossibility Of Reason..."

[XyZspineZyX]

CNR__Sturmer wrote:
- calling yourself moron? the current problem is
- trigger lag, the old problem is bulletlag... read
- posts sker....

Were you referring to me? It's hard to tell since english obviously isn't your first language.

And the current "problem" is bullet lag, not trigger lag. Now the lag is essentially the same as it was inb Rogue Spear and Ghost Recon. I haven't noticed any at all on good servers.

[XyZspineZyX]

Cowanchicken wrote:
- Why don't we
- just tell them to fix the netcode so we get niether?
-
-
-
-

Becouse they don't know how to REALLY fix it.
So if I have too choose I choose 'trigger lag'.
At least I know where I'm shooting when I see my gun shooting.


"...hell is The Impossibility Of Reason..."

[XyZspineZyX]

Its hard to imagine anyone actually preferring the bullet lag over the previous trigger lag. I know for myself, I keep pumping bullets into people point blank and not even hurting them.I used to be fairly proficient at hitting people on the run with the M4, and now I can hardly hit anyone with that gun even standing still. My honest opinion (which will never happen) is to take 1.2, put in punkbuster, then call it good and never mess with the game again. I'll take the once-every-few-weeks frag bug or getting stuck on a ladder any day over this...

[XyZspineZyX]

when is ubi going to respond?\

[XyZspineZyX]

MIN_Sker wrote:
- when is ubi going to respond?\
-
-

Your naivte brings back old memories.

(by the way, they're not going to respond)

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[XyZspineZyX]

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA OMG HAH!!!!!!!!

ambassador your scrolling text and comments are hilarious

[XyZspineZyX]

i dont think u can join trough ip in 1.4 eather i been trying to join servers trough ip and its not letting me or some of my clan. it only lets you join ports 7777

[XyZspineZyX]

This patch SUCKS with respect to the trigegr lag fix. As evidenced by the public outcry, most would rather deal with lag than not be able to actually hit what they are aiming at. Fix it, fix it, fix it!

[XyZspineZyX]

VD_Genocide wrote:
- HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA OMG HAH!!!!!!!!
-
- ambassador your scrolling text and comments are
- hilarious
-

thanks, enjoy...

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[XyZspineZyX]

Put punkbuster in 1.32, and never ever patch this game again, and I'll be happy and never come back to these forums again (unless he find another "intelligent" way of loving making this game up).

[XyZspineZyX]

please remove the trigger lag AND the bullet lag...i'd like my gun to fire when i press the mouse button, and have the bullets come out at the same time...

[XyZspineZyX]

T to the R to the I to the G to the G to the E to the R LAG

[XyZspineZyX]

MIN_Colt wrote:
- Put punkbuster in 1.32, and never ever patch this
- game again, and I'll be happy and never come back to
- these forums again (unless he find another
- "intelligent" way of loving making this game up).
-
-
-
-
-


I totally agree

(REMOVE BULLET LAG AND PUT PB IN 1.32 AND NEVER EVER DO ANY PATCH FOR THAT GAME AGAIN)

[XyZspineZyX]

bump

[XyZspineZyX]

hi, i concur.

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[XyZspineZyX]

MIN_Soul wrote:
- hi, i concur.

If Soul actually agrees with me, I must be right.

bizzump

[XyZspineZyX]

I 420th this motion.

OctaNe

[XyZspineZyX]

I for one have not been able to play 1.4, but i am hearing way more negetivity towrds 1.4 then postives.

my game crashes when i install 1.4, i click rvs exe and BOOM
Crash and a GPF, so untill this is fixed i cannot experince playing with my clan mates, matching, spending time with this game.

so i agree do something and fix this crap.



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[XyZspineZyX]

Damn... Ubi programmerswere u all drunk ??? Just make a step backward and make a 1.41 patch which is exact copy of 1.31 and Never release any other Patch... Especially every 2 weeks.

[XyZspineZyX]

bump bump

[XyZspineZyX]

my two bits.. change it back to 1.31 with PB.



Message Edited on 08/14/0308:50PM by SxS.PsychoCanuk

[XyZspineZyX]

This is really strange lag. It now takes 2 seconds to break a window after u shoot.

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[XyZspineZyX]

Bump

[XyZspineZyX]

Full and total support...Ubi please buy a "C++ for beginners"-book and one about testing.

-Deficite

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Runner up:

"Yes, we were pleased and believe most of the Rainbow Six players were happy with Raven Shield. Almost all of the posts on forums were positive and it averaged an 85% score with press. It rarely had anything said negatively about it." - Nicola Aitoro, Ubi Soft

[XyZspineZyX]

bump

[XyZspineZyX]

I think ubi should remove the trigger lag.

I'm really glad that when I push the button to fire, I hear the sounds and see muzzle flashes IMMEDIATELY...ummm...but my bullets aren't coming out.
(shooting blanks?)

So it's agreed...1.31's trigger lag was better, at least you could aim and kill people.

- V

[XyZspineZyX]

back to 1.31 trigger lag asap.

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[XyZspineZyX]

Plese Plese Ubi put the gun fire again like in the 1.31 patch this cosmetics operacion you guys did SUCKS hear the voices of the comunity its peopel who loves the game and whant to get this right plese iteract more whyt us put the "trigguer lag"" back up or fix the netcode hear us .

[XyZspineZyX]

53rd and 3rd!

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[XyZspineZyX]

I think its good as it is now. This is actually the first decent patch. Still alot to improve though.

Also still waiting for the demo recording...

Message Edited on 08/15/0301:06AM by loenatik

[XyZspineZyX]

yes i agree

[XyZspineZyX]

THIS GAME IS STUPID, IT DIDNT REMOVE ANY BUGS, IT DIDNT FIX ANY LAG PROBLEMS. I HATE THIS NEW BULLET LAG,ITS STUPID, I DON'T EVEN WANNA PLAY RAVENSHIELD ANYMORE BECAUSE OF THIS. HOW LONG DID IT TAKE YOU GUYS TO MAKE THIS PATCH HONESTLY? I HAVE BEEN PLAYING SINCE THE ORIGINAL RAINBOW 6, ROGUE SPEAR, GHOST RECON AND RAVENSHIELD. THIS ISN'T HOW THE GAME IS SUPPOSE TO BE, IM HIGHLY DISAPOINTED IF THIS DOESN'T GET SWITCHED BACK TO 1.31 SOON IM GONNA QUIT THIS STUPID GAME.

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[XyZspineZyX]

I rarely got trigger lag in previous versions, now I am constantly getting bullet lag ....gah fix it and forget the cosmetics you guys are wearing



Message Edited on 08/14/0309:30PM by DLR-KaCo

[XyZspineZyX]

Yes.

If you have to choose between one or the other.

I'll take trugger lag.

I know when I push the button. The gunfire tells me when the bullet leaves.

[XyZspineZyX]

cough ubicantfixjackcrap cough

ive gotta agree....trigger lag is way better then bullet lag
please give it back

[XyZspineZyX]

I agree. put back the trigger lag. On CSL i shot at a guy from the top of green spawn and he was on top of red. After I shot, I ran down the steps, out the front door and out to the pill box in the middle - I looked up to see the Window break and hear a scream of pain - then looked at the top right of my screen - It said

'sT_Recluse_DNS has Eliminated X_Player"

Please bring it back.

[XyZspineZyX]

The more I play this match the more and I more I think about quitting this game unless its reverted back to trigger lag. If I end up quitting this game over a PATCH then I highly doubt I will ever buy another UBI game again.

[XyZspineZyX]

My 1st Post on these forums... I was hoping that I would never have to.

But, patch 1.4 has done some mean things to us and I have to say a few things.

I don't belive that it's just a trick, they messed up and tried to hide it... Trigger lag was way better then what we have now. Not olny that what's up with servers lagging? It's like they stop responding from 1-15 sec. but in that time everything seems to work, door, guns, nades, ect...
Pings seem to stay about the same.

As for trigger lag was better and would like to see if put back the it was before 1.4 or fixed. I have know idea on how to fix the other problems. It's not my job to figger it out... Programers Job... It would of been nice if this and many of the bug we have now, were taken care of in Beta. internal beta's suck! They are good for early stages of the game but it seems that Ubi, Redstorm/ whoever else. did not do the job. I would like them to take some real thought into the up coming patches and see if the changes they make have improved the game or made it worse. Please stop tring to hide problems and fix them.

This got alittle off the sub. but I had to say some things and it's not my job to make the game better. We tell you the problems programers/ writers, what ever fix said problems... Thank you and I hope this gets seen by the right people... But like hood of the is next to none... Over all it's still a good game but it's getting harder and harder to play.


Thank you...
Nox

[XyZspineZyX]

ubi i love u and everything but u been fu*in us over

[XyZspineZyX]

I have been lisening to the general discussion in servers regarding this patch and all I have heard is negative comments. The patch has caused a lot of issues. Bullet lag. I hate it.

[XyZspineZyX]

b to the izzump...I think all the things that could be said, have. Unless PB owns, I'm selling this game. Think I could send it back to Ubishop and get my money back?

[XyZspineZyX]

^

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[XyZspineZyX]

no one's gonna buy it

[XyZspineZyX]

this beehatch is getting reverted dont worry

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bump

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OMFG!??!?! why cant ubi just make a system like BF1942? when you see the guy andshoot where you see him it hits him where he is when the bullets go.. BF1942 netcode owns all.. its sorta like Q3 instagib system

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please bring back trigger lag, and oh heck, limit us all to 5 fps while your at it making the game worse!

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FFS, i cant believe we are posting to put tirgger lag BACK in. What has this game come too..... /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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all i can say is

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does this post actually have a point? I mean think about it... they might know the problem, but they probably cannot fix it - which is why they screwed it up more by putting a cosmetic change on it.

I'm beginning to think that any post doesn't have a point to it when it comes to handing it over to the dev team.

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yea but people would rather have the trigger lag instead of this gay bullet lag.

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I feel ya

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BULLET LAGS SUXKSSSSSS

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TRIGGER LAG!!! NOT BULLET LAG!!! YAY

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I think it's good and still love the game...But i agree that they should fix the trigger lag and trick delay stuff...If they remove it and all the bugs...And add Punkbuster..This game will be the best ever made..I think at least =P

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Isn't it ironic that we are asking for UBI to go back to their original half-assed way with trigger lag....I'm for going back I guess. 1.31 was the lesser of two evils.

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staRS_nutron wrote:
- I think it's good and still love the game...But i
- agree that they should fix the trigger lag and trick
- delay stuff...If they remove it and all the
- bugs...And add Punkbuster..This game will be the
- best ever made..I think at least =P
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Best ever made? That's a stretch...but it won't be a piece of crap that almost gets thrown out the window everyday.

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r6:4 is in development and im proud to say that the Ubi devs last game is RavenShield
(thank u god) and Redstorm is at the helm and we wont have to deal with horrid patches anymore... just horrid PR /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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Message Edited on 08/15/0312:24PM by big_perm

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where the **** did you hear that? LINKS!!! PRAISE JESUS!! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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bump 200th

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you know i like it when your body goes bump bump bump.

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big_perm wrote:
- r6:4 is in development and im proud to say that the
- Ubi devs last game is RavenShield
- (thank u god) and Redstorm is at the helm and we
- wont have to deal with horrid patches anymore...
- just horrid PR

Actually they are making GR 2, or so I thought.

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speed bump.

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yes put trigger lag back. I rarely got it anyway if i was on a good server

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Please UBI here is my bump to put the trigger delay over the bullet delay.

Loyal Fan!

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bump bump bump

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and fix the issues with bullet loss and hit detection while you're at it.

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Yes agreed better triggerlag then bulletlag!!

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you got my attention, you got my vote

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Here's my vote to remove this new bullet lag and go back to plain ol' trigger lag.

I never had trigger lag that bad, but 1.40 is sooooo frustrating it's unbearable.

I'm used to hitting someone with pinpoint accuracy and now I'm having cases where I'm unloading a whole clip while stationairy and the other person not dying. It's frustrating to say the least.

I'm normally super bad *** when I play, now i'm just bad ***.

Yesterday I saw a person playing with retlock. I had thought that a new patch would cause cheats to not function for awhile? Guess I was wrong. Wonder if punkbuster will be delayed now.

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BUMP

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pl.......ease r......move ... trig......ger..... l.....a.g.g...

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ubi mus...........t be usin....g 1.4. pa.tch on for.ums 2

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u know how i stand on this, ^^ back to da top

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no more bullit lag no more bullit lag!!!!!!!!


or i will just quit playing this game all together

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Good stuff wildstyle and, oh, BUMP

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bump this motha

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I frickin agree, cant do much without trigger lag, i was respected and now im down in the dumps because of this patch. Fix it so i can redeeem my name, u fu<kers at ubi try to fool us all the time, and i AM SICK OF THIS BULLSH;T

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bump

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1.4 sucks all the way around. They made everything worse. Like all the other patches. Man, I loved playing the demo so much more than the retail version. I've just about had it with this game.

1.4...what a failure.

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Agreed. Kind of sad when a demo of a game owns the retail of it.


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ubi respond?

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Ubi has to either remove both trigger lag and bullet lag or keep it the way it is!

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I refuse to have trigger lag again!

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remove the fake firing please

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atleast give us an option whether we want trigger lag or bullet lag

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^^^^^^^

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bump

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the bullet lag is ridiciculous. it needs to be put like it was in 1.31

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I'll vote to remove the bullet lag and go back to trigger lag. But Ubi need to stop misleading us and fix the net code so it is good, as in better. It can't be that hard, they did a pretty poor job of it to start off with.

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In the name of all creatures great and small bring back trigger lag.

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OMG

I can't even play this stupid game anymore!

Aiming is a thing of the past. I can't believe you morons out there who try to claim that this (1.4) is actually BETTER - seeing your gun flash and hearing a bang, but not having a bullet come out for 0.5-3.0 seconds later!

I don't know where to aim anymore, now it's just TMP and PAINT the area in which I HOPE the person will walk into, since the bullets don't come out when the noise and muzzle flash occurs.

Totally unacceptable.

If I got trigger lag before, it was with a ping of over 150, and I don't play in EURO servers, so I don't get pings like that. Now I get bullet lag in servers with pings of 30.

REDICULOUS.

You made the game unplayable, and you're going to be liable, UBISOFT, when I get so mad at not hitting people that I throw my computer out the window. Then you'll owe me more than the $50 you scammed me out of for buying your POS game.

I'm no "RYSMITH", but I've played this game online for over 350 hours, not including the months of Demo play, and I can't understand why the hell you keep making it worse.

Trigger lag is a 56krs myth.
Bullet lag is real.
GET RID OF IT!

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BULLET LAG IS AWFUL! This has made me almost want to completely stop playing the game. Apparently UBI did not test this patch at all, which REALLY REALLY p i s ses me off. If they did they would have seen the bullet lag, and said, yea, this is worse than trigger lag.

There should be no bullet lag, OR trigger lag. Fix the crap UBI! I'm sick of not having fun while playing your games. :P

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plzplzplzplz

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REMOVE this STUPID PATCH

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Didn't people already adjust their aim to account for the lag?


I think it should be a server option, a checkbox to enable or disable. Some servers it almost helps... most servers are far better off with out it.





Message Edited on 08/16/0304:09PM by Aqua-Cat

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We want trigger lag!

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I agree, trigger lag is better than bullet-lag.


But understand that it's hard for UBI and the devs to change something..... same thing with the added silencer damage.... it's like admitting they were wrong.

Off topic i know... but about the 1.0 gameplay change i think the devs never wanted this... but UBI bosses gave an order to make the game more arcadish to sell more copy's. The devs balanced everything out GREAT in 1.0

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OK I for one think this whole thing is ******ed... why can't they just fix it and make it right for once with NO Trigger or Bullet Lag... I mean this is ******ed we complain about Trigger Lag so they fix it cosmedically by making you actually shoot when you click the mouse getting rid of the Trigger Lag but then it take ridiculous long for the bullet to reach its mark now... Can't anything done about this to fix it rather than just covering it up or changing it. Comon Ubi... Its not like we didn't notice

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But yes Trigger Lag was much better than this Bullet Lag... Maybe because we are all use to the trigger lag by now maybe not... but I really hate this bullet lag with a passion

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I didn't notice...wait no, I did and I uninstalled Raven Shield 10 minutes after I installed 1.4. My bad, I was mistaken.


BUMP

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What ever UBI did in 1.4 they definately introduced some sort of bug in the net code.

I entered an empty server, and did some tests firing at a wall and noticing the delay before the bullet hole appeared.

/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif At first there was no lag at all - but I was firing single shots only - but when I started firing all 30 shots in rapid succession some would not appear, a 30 shot mag would only give 28 bullet holes.(Still using single shot)

/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif Later in the test using burts mode whole groups of shots went missing - but would suddenly and randomly reappear 5 seconds later.

/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif My final discovery was that I was able to get the firing animation without any shots being fired - that is no bullet holes appeared and ammo did not count down.

/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif Still no PB /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif So Ill be playing SP anyway (and Americas Army with PB /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif )

/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif FPS are up by 30-50 on my PC that is the good 1.4 news.

But I have a strange mouse problem now, especially when using a scoped weapon.Its like the mouse is lagging a bit.

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think oif the peeking we could accomplish with the speed of that trigger and bullet lag fixed if they cant fix that problem than i want delay back in SoF_S31L

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im gonna vote again...because I can.

Give us trigger lag or give us death! we prefer trigger lag though.


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ya put back teh trigger lag until u totally fix the lag on it.

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Turbo_tiger wrote:
- But I have a strange mouse problem now, especially
- when using a scoped weapon.Its like the mouse is
- lagging a bit.
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ravenshield.ini

ReduceMouseLag=False

set it to true and ull lose a few fps but itll be fixed

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Well. I Loved the game in the demo, and when it was 1.1 But since then the patches have been a complete waste of your coders and of our time. You havent fixed netcode, You havent fixed some of the still exsistant bugs from the demo. Ive seen people with frag buggs STILL. Instead of rushing patches out why dont you take some time and do things right.... I thought this would be the best game... even game of the year... But christ HL2 is going to whipe the floor with RvS Since you cant fix a damn thing and its been what? 4 -6 months now since its release? Please do something to improve it.


BTW Bullet lagg is bad ( it wont let me say sh1t ) , least you can compensate for trigger lagg,

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its crazy that we are voting to bring back a different lag, but if i had a choice i would much rather play with trigger lag.